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Post by tenzhii on Jun 13, 2019 11:45:04 GMT
To Ed, Zwerb, Sadistic, Wob: If possible, please give a rundown of your thoughts on the other 3 of you. None of you have posted that much, so just check each others recent posts and look for anything that catches your eye or gives you a question etc. If you're town there's no need to worry here, so just be honest. its... zwerd. weirdchamp. just shorten it to jib if you cant read zwerd from far away (content below vvvvvvvvvv) i actually couldnt tell you anything about ed cause all of his posts have so much filler ive yet to read them. if i could get an iso of his posts i think i could read over it but i dont think im reading back over his posts as for sadistic i genuinely forgot he was in the game lol. its mylo so its not the time to lynch an inactive over an actual sr but sadistic has been falling behind noticeably in activity. as for whether i sr him, ill be honest, havent read very far back since the entirety of yesterday and half the day before that. again, an iso would help me with my read, but until i figure out how to acquire one, he has to be null wobs just null, i dont think i can really sr him but theres not enough pointing to him being town either you yourself, mylo, on the other hand, have been a very interesting character. probably'll elaborate on friday as thats when finals end but until then keep that thought in mind. TL;DR everything is null (for now) |
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Post by tenzhii on Jun 13, 2019 11:46:43 GMT
This Ignited kill is messing with my head tbh  I knew he was town but there was serious backlash against him, there's no solid reason why he should've been killed. Unless scum are planning to frame me (Which if so, good luck haha) or are just shooting possible mislynches I'm not sure what solid reason there is for it. UNIRONICALLY I KNOW THE KILL MAKES SENSE i just need it to click give me a few hours |
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Post by tenzhii on Jun 13, 2019 11:49:14 GMT
it wasnt an act of ignorance or laziness it was a kill of circumstance now what i need to find out is the exact circumstance
at the very least, moving forward, we have a clear if no one is gonna cc commander
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Post by tenzhii on Jun 13, 2019 11:56:30 GMT
at the very least, moving forward, we have a clear if no one is gonna cc commander though i do doubt even if anyone ccs that commander isnt vig, so |
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 13:30:04 GMT
My main gripe with Edward is that his posts have generally consisted of filler or vague / confusing statements that have little to no relevance to the current discussion at hand. However, reading through his ISO in full, I think I'm generally townleaning this slot. In particular: Ye. And for some reason ignited is afk:/ This type of frustration is certainly a towntell imo. As scum, it's pretty easy to simply lay out your reads + reasoning and then stop pressuring your scumreads to avoid further scrutiny. Particularly in this case where the validity of edward's scumread had been long accepted, and a large majority of the town also found ignited scummy, there was little for him to gain by pushing the slot further. However, his annoyance over ignited being afk instead indicates a willingness to coax further information out of his read, and then re-evaluate it, demonstrating a balanced consideration of the game as a whole. @ignitedgid any defence from u or any disagreement in my lynch? @ignitedgid, plz answer me uwu, this might help clear a lot of things for us rn owo Once again, he makes multiple attempts to contact his scumread in order to pressure it and improve the overall quality of his reads, a town trait. My vote'll still be on Zwerb until that oh so promised content comes through  K, also if u guys see this message and r available can we further discuss the game rn? Here he makes an effort to provoke further discussion among town, which helps to advance the gamestate and increase the likelihood of finding scum. Another thing that I'd point out is that I would consider Edward to be the easy, "cop-out" lynch today. He hasn't been defended by anyone essentially all game and scumreads on him have been widespread and uncontroversial. For that reason alone I think scum is gravitating towards him, and I would feel very uneasy about lynching him in MYLO especially. |
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 13:49:49 GMT
My main scumread today is definitely zeep (zlerd?), I do feel like he's been struggling a lot to make any kind of meaningful reads, which is almost always a scumtell for an experienced player. To Ed, Zwerb, Sadistic, Wob: If possible, please give a rundown of your thoughts on the other 3 of you. None of you have posted that much, so just check each others recent posts and look for anything that catches your eye or gives you a question etc. If you're town there's no need to worry here, so just be honest. its... zwerd. weirdchamp. just shorten it to jib if you cant read zwerd from far away (content below vvvvvvvvvv) i actually couldnt tell you anything about ed cause all of his posts have so much filler ive yet to read them. if i could get an iso of his posts i think i could read over it but i dont think im reading back over his posts as for sadistic i genuinely forgot he was in the game lol. its mylo so its not the time to lynch an inactive over an actual sr but sadistic has been falling behind noticeably in activity. as for whether i sr him, ill be honest, havent read very far back since the entirety of yesterday and half the day before that. again, an iso would help me with my read, but until i figure out how to acquire one, he has to be null wobs just null, i dont think i can really sr him but theres not enough pointing to him being town either you yourself, mylo, on the other hand, have been a very interesting character. probably'll elaborate on friday as thats when finals end but until then keep that thought in mind. TL;DR everything is null (for now) I have quite a few issues with this post. In particular, he calls out Ed for filler but a significant portion of his posts are the same thing, or at the very least have little usefulness to town at this stage. See for example, his recent discussion of the hypothetical situation in which someone counterclaims vig, despite the fact that this is both highly unlikely and only really serves to boost his perceived activity. I also refuse to believe that there's nothing that would make him lean either way on both me and sadistic. Null reads are acceptable if you've considered the reasons for them being both scum and town, but in this case all of these just seem like an excuse for not forming proper reads. roasted it back because i did something productive for the past hour real REAL post in 20 This is the other problem I have, the promised wall posts. I understand that real life stuff happens and it takes priority, but at this point you're actively misleading town by not delivering such content. It's been a constant theme throughout the game that you've used these promises to draw attention off yourself, only to hope that everyone forgets about them. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens with the mylo elaboration you were talking about either, because he's arguably the only one you wouldn't be able to just list a simple null read on and get away with. |
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 14:05:04 GMT
That leaves Mylo and Sadistic - I could realistically see either as partners with zeep. While Mylo has essentially been the universal townread throughout the entire game, I'm mindful that activity doesn't necessarily indicate a green role, which is the reason a lot of people seem to be giving. This Ignited kill is messing with my head tbh I knew he was town but there was serious backlash against him, there's no solid reason why he should've been killed. Unless scum are planning to frame me (Which if so, good luck haha) or are just shooting possible mislynches I'm not sure what solid reason there is for it. I do townread this post. Specifically, the confusion / insight into why scum made the kills they did seems like a geniune reaction, especially because he's been considering this thoroughly throughout the entire game. To Ed, Zwerb, Sadistic, Wob: If possible, please give a rundown of your thoughts on the other 3 of you. None of you have posted that much, so just check each others recent posts and look for anything that catches your eye or gives you a question etc. If you're town there's no need to worry here, so just be honest. However, the wording here does give me pause. Asking us to give thoughts on each other but not including himself ("the other 3 of you") makes me feel like his intention is not to assess the quality of our reads / posts, but instead to encourage the other non-clears to form scumreads on each other while he essentially avoids scrutiny. I'm aware that this might've not been what he meant, so I'll wait for a response. Right now I'd give this slot a slight townread. |
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 14:13:52 GMT
That leaves Sadistic, who I slightly scumread overall. As a global troll I can easily declare that scum might just be AFK The quote below this is supposed to actually be above it but I'm my lack of forum skills are obvious, but ignited is literally just fucking around and I can't get behind an ignited lynch at all. Regardless of how useless he may seem he along with mylo are my two greatest town reads (for very different reasons lol). So we had 2 lynches on Brady. One from ignited and one from loneliness(forgive my auto correction uwu). So umm seeing how ignited reacted in day 1 and today I would go with it ignited. Lynch ignitedsee above honestly just based on last night's kill alone lynch commander awesomegoing off this couldn't literally half the PL or so (including you) be lynched using this logic. It's really random at that point and its more possible that it was something along the lines of what brady said like 1 kind of active scum or something and 1 completely inactive player. I can't really see this logic as justified. So really right now this is what I think: Mylo: Easily the most town for me; seems completely innocent despite lacking many developed thoughts really just goes along with everyone.Ignited: Bad trolling but I can't see them being scum at all. Ik some people think that's just an uber risky scum play (either loewism (probably spelled that wrong) or commander) and if that is the case I have an idea who is pr but I should probably keep that to myself.
Brady: you know initally I didn't like Brady but now I'm starting to think that he is town. Has a lot of input but I can't seem to understand why he's chasing down ignited so I'm still kind of neutral because he could be going for the "holy shit he was actually PR why did he play like that" or something
Commander: neutral but I think I actually townlean on this. Decent reaction to wob's lynch that I think made sense logically but still putting neutral because the sub can be used as a scapegoat wob: totally neutral on them for reasons said aboveEdward: some jotty responses and filler. Not taking many sides but I could say the same about myself up until this post. scumlean neutral read currentlyEveryone else I don't really have a good idea about. So at this point im contemplating lynching edward or maybe wob but I'll let day play out a little more (unless it ends today then f)While I appreciate this list of reads they posted yesterday, I can't help but feel that its main focus was to set him and his partner up for MYLO/LYLO. I don't really see any point in scum killing Ignited last night unless it was literally just designed to confirm sadistic's read and give him towncred, which then frames me / edward today. |
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 14:14:42 GMT
tl;dr from scum -> town
zeep > sadistic > mylo > edward
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Post by commanderawesome on Jun 13, 2019 15:23:24 GMT
problem with mylo is, imo, theyve lived. I dunno what scum is doing not killing them (ignited couldve been a legit pr shot ig), but if mylo really is scum, i cant do anything about it. If the towniest person in the game is playing really well as scum, Im almost ready to accept that theyre gonna live in lylo if the other four dont get townier. (or get lynched) Regardless of mylo Im pretty sure wob is scum. Actually I could easily see him as partners with almost anyone in the game, and prolly the only person i could see w/ mylo. at this point, Wob has decided to play the game solely in mylo, which is as unhelpful as it is sus. I also disagree with his reads, which, while certainly not a scumtell on its own, ca certainly be a side effect of being scum. Wob conveniently forgot about his read on me the moment I claimed vig and started reading others for thing i either was already doing, or that other people are doing (see his post on edward). He didnt choose have reasons to tr someone and matched edward up with those reasons, he decided that he wanted to tr edward for whatever reason, and then searched through his iso for convincing posts that look towny, and validated them when literally everyone in the game has done what hes done. (This is not attacking edward, just wob and his read. Tbh this needs its own post rather than the "here are my thoughts on everyone" post. Im starting to feel town about jib. I think i made this read yesterday, but its grown. This message kind of helps to seal the deal: UNIRONICALLY I KNOW THE KILL MAKES SENSE i just need it to click give me a few hours. But his behaviour as a whole does not make we want to suspect him. if I could get a few good reads with some nice logic from him, I'd be pretty pleased with the slot. edward really does throw me for a loop. He has really not posted much, which leaves me little else to go on but to imagine his scum team. And i cant. I really cant see anyone who he'd be partners with. Wob wouldnt be making this read on his scumpartner, too risky, jib is town, and mylo having long deliberate conversations with him about reads seems really odd as a scum partner. ig my guy down below could be, but ill have to wait until my lower request is fulfilled. Overall though, i do see a towny vibe from his posts as a whole (rather than cherry picking reasons on a couple posts, which again i will go into on my later post.) sadisticnarwhal its time to be active btw. I really cant give a read on him yet until he gets here |
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Post by commanderawesome on Jun 13, 2019 15:33:13 GMT
My main gripe with Edward is that his posts have generally consisted of filler or vague / confusing statements that have little to no relevance to the current discussion at hand. However, reading through his ISO in full, I think I'm generally townleaning this slot. In particular: Ye. And for some reason ignited is afk:/ This type of frustration is certainly a towntell imo. As scum, it's pretty easy to simply lay out your reads + reasoning and then stop pressuring your scumreads to avoid further scrutiny. Particularly in this case where the validity of edward's scumread had been long accepted, and a large majority of the town also found ignited scummy, there was little for him to gain by pushing the slot further. However, his annoyance over ignited being afk instead indicates a willingness to coax further information out of his read, and then re-evaluate it, demonstrating a balanced consideration of the game as a whole. See every single guy here has been frustrataed about people being active. I think I was the person to complain the most, and yet you still lynched me (no this is not salt, its that you are tring someone for something your sr did too, as well as having basically zero reasoning meaning the rest of my lines had to be pretty null for that one reason to overpower.) Mylo has also done this a lot, and even if they are your 3rd most likely scum, youve been very careful not to tr him. @ignitedgid, plz answer me uwu, this might help clear a lot of things for us rn owo Once again, he makes multiple attempts to contact his scumread in order to pressure it and improve the overall quality of his reads, a town trait. Again, I agree that this can be taken as a towny line, but I dont get how this line has more influence that the million times brady mylo and others have done this without a note. K, also if u guys see this message and r available can we further discuss the game rn? Here he makes an effort to provoke further discussion among town, which helps to advance the gamestate and increase the likelihood of finding scum. I thought you were the one that said activity =/= scum. Another thing that I'd point out is that I would consider Edward to be the easy, "cop-out" lynch today. He hasn't been defended by anyone essentially all game and scumreads on him have been widespread and uncontroversial. For that reason alone I think scum is gravitating towards him, and I would feel very uneasy about lynching him in MYLO especially. The thing is I agree with basically everything you've said, especialyl the last paragraph. As i've said i tr or atleast tl edward, and think he shouldnt be lynched. But this read just seems so forced for both the reasoning here and the reasons I gave in my og post, its just too unatural. Oh also just realized that you called edward the cop out lynch (which I think is fair) but then decided to lynch the lurky, undefended and scumread much of yesterday jib? Im not gonna call them the same person here, but there are too many simmilarities between your overall reason to lynch jib and what edward has been doing, as well as cross overs between why you're not lynching edward and what edward is doing. Will be back with a post about your sr on jibby
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 15:43:18 GMT
problem with mylo is, imo, theyve lived. I dunno what scum is doing not killing them (ignited couldve been a legit pr shot ig), but if mylo really is scum, i cant do anything about it. If the towniest person in the game is playing really well as scum, Im almost ready to accept that theyre gonna live in lylo if the other four dont get townier. (or get lynched) Regardless of mylo Im pretty sure wob is scum. Actually I could easily see him as partners with almost anyone in the game, and prolly the only person i could see w/ mylo. at this point, Wob has decided to play the game solely in mylo, which is as unhelpful as it is sus. I also disagree with his reads, which, while certainly not a scumtell on its own, ca certainly be a side effect of being scum. Wob conveniently forgot about his read on me the moment I claimed vig and started reading others for thing i either was already doing, or that other people are doing (see his post on edward). He didnt choose have reasons to tr someone and matched edward up with those reasons, he decided that he wanted to tr edward for whatever reason, and then searched through his iso for convincing posts that look towny, and validated them when literally everyone in the game has done what hes done. (This is not attacking edward, just wob and his read. Tbh this needs its own post rather than the "here are my thoughts on everyone" post. Im starting to feel town about jib. I think i made this read yesterday, but its grown. This message kind of helps to seal the deal: UNIRONICALLY I KNOW THE KILL MAKES SENSE i just need it to click give me a few hours. But his behaviour as a whole does not make we want to suspect him. if I could get a few good reads with some nice logic from him, I'd be pretty pleased with the slot. edward really does throw me for a loop. He has really not posted much, which leaves me little else to go on but to imagine his scum team. And i cant. I really cant see anyone who he'd be partners with. Wob wouldnt be making this read on his scumpartner, too risky, jib is town, and mylo having long deliberate conversations with him about reads seems really odd as a scum partner. ig my guy down below could be, but ill have to wait until my lower request is fulfilled. Overall though, i do see a towny vibe from his posts as a whole (rather than cherry picking reasons on a couple posts, which again i will go into on my later post.) sadisticnarwhal its time to be active btw. I really cant give a read on him yet until he gets here I mean, MYLO/LYLO is the most important time to post a lot, but I get what you mean. I haven't been as active previously, mostly because I was busy with real life stuff and also because I (like you) subbed in midgame and so haven't had as much time to make concrete reads. Although, if it's inactivity you're worried about, I'm not sure why you're specifically focused on me. "Wob conveniently forgot about his read on me the moment I claimed vig"I mean no, but it was pointless for me to make a post about you when you're clear. But to clarify, a) my scumread on you was never a strong one and b) I would've helped shift towards the end of yesterday, but I was asleep. "He didnt choose have reasons to tr someone and matched edward up with those reasons, he decided that he wanted to tr edward for whatever reason, and then searched through his iso for convincing posts that look towny, and validated them when literally everyone in the game has done what hes done."I'm not sure why you jumped to this conclusion, I explained in my post that I initially was scumleaning Edward but gravitated towards him being town after reading his ISO. If you have any specific concerns about reasons I gave then I'd be happy to address them. "Wob wouldnt be making this read on his scumpartner, too risky"If you're making the assumption that me + Edward isn't the scumteam, then why do you also seem to believe that I fabricated a townread on him? If I'm scum with anyone but Edward, there's no reason for me not to push him today. |
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 15:44:42 GMT
sorry I didn't see your latest post
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Post by commanderawesome on Jun 13, 2019 15:45:09 GMT
My main scumread today is definitely zeep (zlerd?), I do feel like he's been struggling a lot to make any kind of meaningful reads, which is almost always a scumtell for an experienced player. its... zwerd. weirdchamp. just shorten it to jib if you cant read zwerd from far away (content below vvvvvvvvvv) i actually couldnt tell you anything about ed cause all of his posts have so much filler ive yet to read them. if i could get an iso of his posts i think i could read over it but i dont think im reading back over his posts as for sadistic i genuinely forgot he was in the game lol. its mylo so its not the time to lynch an inactive over an actual sr but sadistic has been falling behind noticeably in activity. as for whether i sr him, ill be honest, havent read very far back since the entirety of yesterday and half the day before that. again, an iso would help me with my read, but until i figure out how to acquire one, he has to be null wobs just null, i dont think i can really sr him but theres not enough pointing to him being town either you yourself, mylo, on the other hand, have been a very interesting character. probably'll elaborate on friday as thats when finals end but until then keep that thought in mind. TL;DR everything is null (for now) I have quite a few issues with this post. In particular, he calls out Ed for filler but a significant portion of his posts are the same thing, or at the very least have little usefulness to town at this stage. See for example, his recent discussion of the hypothetical situation in which someone counterclaims vig, despite the fact that this is both highly unlikely and only really serves to boost his perceived activity. I also refuse to believe that there's nothing that would make him lean either way on both me and sadistic. Null reads are acceptable if you've considered the reasons for them being both scum and town, but in this case all of these just seem like an excuse for not forming proper reads. You can read someone for the hypocrisy, yeah, but its so bizzare to me that you'll admit these slots have much in common and put them on polar opposite sides of your read chart roasted it back because i did something productive for the past hour real REAL post in 20 This is the other problem I have, the promised wall posts. I understand that real life stuff happens and it takes priority, but at this point you're actively misleading town by not delivering such content. It's been a constant theme throughout the game that you've used these promises to draw attention off yourself, only to hope that everyone forgets about them. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens with the mylo elaboration you were talking about either, because he's arguably the only one you wouldn't be able to just list a simple null read on and get away with. You sr him for the banter about not posting? really? His whole back and forth with me, in general was at the least null to me, but seemed town. Even if it took him a while, he did eventually deliver the wall post and it was good, good enough for me to ul him. This again just seems like a forced read. ive already kind of covered why i think your read on mylo is odd in my other post, and im not really gonna pass judgement about your read on sadistic until I have any recent content from him. for now though, the only things that could change my mind about this is a very good defense/validation from wob (which I genuinely do hope change my mind, it would make this a lot easier) or for sadistic to actually start playing the game and make a scum team that does not include wobstar in it. My reads list is, of of rn: wob>edward>mylo/jib. There is a rather large gap in townyness between wob and edward, which would be filled with sadistic, but i still feel that I cant make a read off what he's said/ any read I do make is missing a hugely important factor, what he does in mylo. If wob does flip scum, mylo jumps ahead of edward in the reads list just because I honestly think hes the most likely or second most likely partner (other being sadistic), mainly for being smack dab in the middle of wobs reads. Anyways Im interested to hear back from you wob (but far more interested in you sadisticnarwhal, would be cool if you existed) Lynch wob |
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Post by commanderawesome on Jun 13, 2019 15:51:49 GMT
problem with mylo is, imo, theyve lived. I dunno what scum is doing not killing them (ignited couldve been a legit pr shot ig), but if mylo really is scum, i cant do anything about it. If the towniest person in the game is playing really well as scum, Im almost ready to accept that theyre gonna live in lylo if the other four dont get townier. (or get lynched) Regardless of mylo Im pretty sure wob is scum. Actually I could easily see him as partners with almost anyone in the game, and prolly the only person i could see w/ mylo. at this point, Wob has decided to play the game solely in mylo, which is as unhelpful as it is sus. I also disagree with his reads, which, while certainly not a scumtell on its own, ca certainly be a side effect of being scum. Wob conveniently forgot about his read on me the moment I claimed vig and started reading others for thing i either was already doing, or that other people are doing (see his post on edward). He didnt choose have reasons to tr someone and matched edward up with those reasons, he decided that he wanted to tr edward for whatever reason, and then searched through his iso for convincing posts that look towny, and validated them when literally everyone in the game has done what hes done. (This is not attacking edward, just wob and his read. Tbh this needs its own post rather than the "here are my thoughts on everyone" post. Im starting to feel town about jib. I think i made this read yesterday, but its grown. This message kind of helps to seal the deal: UNIRONICALLY I KNOW THE KILL MAKES SENSE i just need it to click give me a few hours. But his behaviour as a whole does not make we want to suspect him. if I could get a few good reads with some nice logic from him, I'd be pretty pleased with the slot. edward really does throw me for a loop. He has really not posted much, which leaves me little else to go on but to imagine his scum team. And i cant. I really cant see anyone who he'd be partners with. Wob wouldnt be making this read on his scumpartner, too risky, jib is town, and mylo having long deliberate conversations with him about reads seems really odd as a scum partner. ig my guy down below could be, but ill have to wait until my lower request is fulfilled. Overall though, i do see a towny vibe from his posts as a whole (rather than cherry picking reasons on a couple posts, which again i will go into on my later post.) sadisticnarwhal its time to be active btw. I really cant give a read on him yet until he gets here I mean, MYLO/LYLO is the most important time to post a lot, but I get what you mean. I haven't been as active previously, mostly because I was busy with real life stuff and also because I (like you) subbed in midgame and so haven't had as much time to make concrete reads. Although, if it's inactivity you're worried about, I'm not sure why you're specifically focused on me. "Wob conveniently forgot about his read on me the moment I claimed vig"I mean no, but it was pointless for me to make a post about you when you're clear. But to clarify, a) my scumread on you was never a strong one and b) I would've helped shift towards the end of yesterday, but I was asleep. "He didnt choose have reasons to tr someone and matched edward up with those reasons, he decided that he wanted to tr edward for whatever reason, and then searched through his iso for convincing posts that look towny, and validated them when literally everyone in the game has done what hes done."I'm not sure why you jumped to this conclusion, I explained in my post that I initially was scumleaning Edward but gravitated towards him being town after reading his ISO. If you have any specific concerns about reasons I gave then I'd be happy to address them. "Wob wouldnt be making this read on his scumpartner, too risky"If you're making the assumption that me + Edward isn't the scumteam, then why do you also seem to believe that I fabricated a townread on him? If I'm scum with anyone but Edward, there's no reason for me not to push him today. I honestly dont feel a response is worthwhile or will help anything on the first two, theres nothing really wrong with his statements there, I just found what I said to be sus. The third one I already went into huge detail into, Wob can go beat my reasoning up on that post, and as for the fourth, cmon. Why would scum make a tr in mylo? You can't not have a tr this late in the game, thats a given, but theres more to it. I dont think you would put edward as towniest if he was your partner, because having a correct read is beneficial to you, more so that you have a supporter on the other side but also to give yourself credit. The other reasoning to give is in my other post |
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 16:03:49 GMT
My main gripe with Edward is that his posts have generally consisted of filler or vague / confusing statements that have little to no relevance to the current discussion at hand. However, reading through his ISO in full, I think I'm generally townleaning this slot. In particular: This type of frustration is certainly a towntell imo. As scum, it's pretty easy to simply lay out your reads + reasoning and then stop pressuring your scumreads to avoid further scrutiny. Particularly in this case where the validity of edward's scumread had been long accepted, and a large majority of the town also found ignited scummy, there was little for him to gain by pushing the slot further. However, his annoyance over ignited being afk instead indicates a willingness to coax further information out of his read, and then re-evaluate it, demonstrating a balanced consideration of the game as a whole. See every single guy here has been frustrataed about people being active. I think I was the person to complain the most, and yet you still lynched me (no this is not salt, its that you are tring someone for something your sr did too, as well as having basically zero reasoning meaning the rest of my lines had to be pretty null for that one reason to overpower.) Mylo has also done this a lot, and even if they are your 3rd most likely scum, youve been very careful not to tr him. Once again, he makes multiple attempts to contact his scumread in order to pressure it and improve the overall quality of his reads, a town trait. Again, I agree that this can be taken as a towny line, but I dont get how this line has more influence that the million times brady mylo and others have done this without a note. Here he makes an effort to provoke further discussion among town, which helps to advance the gamestate and increase the likelihood of finding scum. I thought you were the one that said activity =/= scum. Another thing that I'd point out is that I would consider Edward to be the easy, "cop-out" lynch today. He hasn't been defended by anyone essentially all game and scumreads on him have been widespread and uncontroversial. For that reason alone I think scum is gravitating towards him, and I would feel very uneasy about lynching him in MYLO especially. The thing is I agree with basically everything you've said, especialyl the last paragraph. As i've said i tr or atleast tl edward, and think he shouldnt be lynched. But this read just seems so forced for both the reasoning here and the reasons I gave in my og post, its just too unatural. Oh also just realized that you called edward the cop out lynch (which I think is fair) but then decided to lynch the lurky, undefended and scumread much of yesterday jib? Im not gonna call them the same person here, but there are too many simmilarities between your overall reason to lynch jib and what edward has been doing, as well as cross overs between why you're not lynching edward and what edward is doing. Will be back with a post about your sr on jibby
When I lynched you, I hadn't read your ISO. To be honest, I still haven't. As I mentioned in that very post, it was purely based on the nightkill. It wasn't even intended to be a final lynch, or to really achieve anything outside of sparking some discussion, but as I mentioned before I slept through deadline and didn't have time to shift. "Mylo has also done this a lot, and even if they are your 3rd most likely scum, youve been very careful not to tr him."I said that I have a TR (or at least lean) on Mylo. It was specifically Edward's insistence on pressuring ignited that made me feel his slot was town over everyone else alive. Mylo's pushes for activity have basically been limited to "you need to speak up". "I thought you were the one that said activity =/= scum."I was mostly referring to the fact that those who post a lot / lead town are necessarily scum. I guess the main point I'm trying to make with Edward is that despite a number of his posts being cryptic or perceived as filler by others (likely due to being new to forum mafia), his ISO reveals a genuine interest in forming reads and advancing the game, which makes me feel that he's at least attempting to be pro-town. "you called edward the cop out lynch (which I think is fair) but then decided to lynch the lurky, undefended and scumread much of yesterday jib?"I haven't actually lynched. But for what it's worth I wouldn't consider him a universal scumread, at least not nearly to the extent that Edward is. |
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Post by Wob on Jun 13, 2019 16:16:50 GMT
My main scumread today is definitely zeep (zlerd?), I do feel like he's been struggling a lot to make any kind of meaningful reads, which is almost always a scumtell for an experienced player. I have quite a few issues with this post. In particular, he calls out Ed for filler but a significant portion of his posts are the same thing, or at the very least have little usefulness to town at this stage. See for example, his recent discussion of the hypothetical situation in which someone counterclaims vig, despite the fact that this is both highly unlikely and only really serves to boost his perceived activity. I also refuse to believe that there's nothing that would make him lean either way on both me and sadistic. Null reads are acceptable if you've considered the reasons for them being both scum and town, but in this case all of these just seem like an excuse for not forming proper reads. You can read someone for the hypocrisy, yeah, but its so bizzare to me that you'll admit these slots have much in common and put them on polar opposite sides of your read chart This is the other problem I have, the promised wall posts. I understand that real life stuff happens and it takes priority, but at this point you're actively misleading town by not delivering such content. It's been a constant theme throughout the game that you've used these promises to draw attention off yourself, only to hope that everyone forgets about them. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens with the mylo elaboration you were talking about either, because he's arguably the only one you wouldn't be able to just list a simple null read on and get away with. You sr him for the banter about not posting? really? His whole back and forth with me, in general was at the least null to me, but seemed town. Even if it took him a while, he did eventually deliver the wall post and it was good, good enough for me to ul him. This again just seems like a forced read. ive already kind of covered why i think your read on mylo is odd in my other post, and im not really gonna pass judgement about your read on sadistic until I have any recent content from him. for now though, the only things that could change my mind about this is a very good defense/validation from wob (which I genuinely do hope change my mind, it would make this a lot easier) or for sadistic to actually start playing the game and make a scum team that does not include wobstar in it. My reads list is, of of rn: wob>edward>mylo/jib. There is a rather large gap in townyness between wob and edward, which would be filled with sadistic, but i still feel that I cant make a read off what he's said/ any read I do make is missing a hugely important factor, what he does in mylo. If wob does flip scum, mylo jumps ahead of edward in the reads list just because I honestly think hes the most likely or second most likely partner (other being sadistic), mainly for being smack dab in the middle of wobs reads. Anyways Im interested to hear back from you wob (but far more interested in you sadisticnarwhal, would be cool if you existed) Lynch wob Yes I acknowledge that edward and zeep are similar in some ways, but I don't see why that would suggest they're of the same alignment? The important distinction for me is that edward has been more confident in making reads and pressuring them in general (e.g ignited), while zeep has avoided making strong statements on anyone (see recent null post). Which wall post are you referring to when you say he delivered? I can't check it rn but looking through his ISO before I didn't really find anything substantial, other than the reads post just earlier, and I explained why that was inadequate. |
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Post by tenzhii on Jun 13, 2019 19:43:29 GMT
My main scumread today is definitely zeep (zlerd?) zwerd I do feel like he's been struggling a lot to make any kind of meaningful reads, which is almost always a scumtell for an experienced (weird backhanded compliment thank you i think?) player. its... zwerd. weirdchamp. just shorten it to jib if you cant read zwerd from far away (content below vvvvvvvvvv) i actually couldnt tell you anything about ed cause all of his posts have so much filler ive yet to read them. if i could get an iso of his posts i think i could read over it but i dont think im reading back over his posts as for sadistic i genuinely forgot he was in the game lol. its mylo so its not the time to lynch an inactive over an actual sr but sadistic has been falling behind noticeably in activity. as for whether i sr him, ill be honest, havent read very far back since the entirety of yesterday and half the day before that. again, an iso would help me with my read, but until i figure out how to acquire one, he has to be null wobs just null, i dont think i can really sr him but theres not enough pointing to him being town either you yourself, mylo, on the other hand, have been a very interesting character. probably'll elaborate on friday as thats when finals end but until then keep that thought in mind. TL;DR everything is null (for now) I have quite a few issues with this post. In particular, he calls out Ed for filler but a significant portion of his posts are the same thing, or at the very least have little usefulness to town at this stage. (pot calling the kettle black or whatever, one of the bases (basises?) of your sr shouldnt be hypocrisy) See for example, his recent discussion of the hypothetical situation in which someone counterclaims vig, despite the fact that this is both highly unlikely and only really serves to boost his perceived activity. (its unlikely, but its still possible that sadistic hops in out of nowhere and says "vig btw". hindsight is 20/20 of course and ive thought about it now and i think that sadist would be the lynch should that be the outcome, though) I also refuse to believe that there's nothing that would make him lean either way on both me and sadistic. (there really isnt. most particularly with yourself, you do have reads, theyre just weird and contain weirder, out of context evidence. sadistic gets a pass on the basis that i literally have only read 2 of his posts, which segways into something else you wrote...) Null reads are acceptable if you've considered the reasons for them being both scum and town, but in this case all of these just seem like an excuse for not forming proper reads. (im going to level with everyone, their pops, and their grandpops here; i have not read anything pre day 3. since day 3 ive read (skimmed lol) every post and taken things into consideration from the past 2 days, but most especially because ive been effectively dead for so long is why ive been longing to read isos. i actually havent been able to get around to that yet, though, so bear with me. and to emphasize this point, i actually have considered what youve posted since youve subbed in and i think some of your read on me is decently justifiable. if this contradicts a later statement, i just got too lazy to edit mid post, so i apologize)roasted it back because i did something productive for the past hour real REAL post in 20 This is the other problem I have, the promised wall posts. (i did actually do the wall, and to reiterate, hindsight is 20/20: i was half joking the 2nd time around (shitty excuse! is all you hear but whatever you do you) because i knew i wouldnt be able to finish it that night.) I understand that real life stuff happens and it takes priority, but at this point you're actively misleading town by not delivering such content. (this actually made me wince a bit, that alone is a pretty shitty reason to sr me. i shouldve mentioned that in my previous reply but yeah) It's been a constant theme throughout the game that you've used these promises to draw attention off yourself, only to hope that everyone forgets about them. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens with the mylo elaboration you were talking about either, because he's arguably the only one you wouldn't be able to just list a simple null read on and get away with. (this is a really hostile tone for a wall that is half justified reads half pepewhat. anyway, im doing that mylo thing, because you are partially correct- he is the one person in the playerlist i actually have a solid read on right now.) |
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Post by tenzhii on Jun 13, 2019 19:44:45 GMT
problem with mylo is, imo, theyve lived. and as for the "give me a few hours" thing... this is it. this is literally the one piece of seemingly irrelevant info that may well swing the game for us. this is whats been so off about the previous 2 nightkills. of course, without context, evidence is irrelevant, and without discussion, it has no voice, so i cant fully explain what i mean by this piece of info until tomorrow. |
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Post by tenzhii on Jun 13, 2019 19:49:11 GMT
oh yeah no wobs right, but i did write this to compensate for no wall cant type up a post for a few days, but for now, ill have to say socks kill was def vig (and itd be pointless to argue otherwise, just read back a few pages), but on the slight off chance we either have a... bodyguard? was it? (@mylo double check for me pls ty) stay silent, son. if youre a (the) vig, now would be a very fine time to claim |
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Post by tenzhii on Jun 13, 2019 19:49:56 GMT
wobs right on me not delivering the wall. argh. these posts are so disorganized.
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Post by Wob on Jun 14, 2019 1:50:09 GMT
My main scumread today is definitely zeep (zlerd?) zwerd I do feel like he's been struggling a lot to make any kind of meaningful reads, which is almost always a scumtell for an experienced (weird backhanded compliment thank you i think?) not really backhanded. I don't think you're struggling to make reads because you're bad, I think it's because you're scum. player. I have quite a few issues with this post. In particular, he calls out Ed for filler but a significant portion of his posts are the same thing, or at the very least have little usefulness to town at this stage. (pot calling the kettle black or whatever, one of the bases (basises?) of your sr shouldnt be hypocrisy) you're gonna have to elaborate, how have I been hypocritical? See for example, his recent discussion of the hypothetical situation in which someone counterclaims vig, despite the fact that this is both highly unlikely and only really serves to boost his perceived activity. (its unlikely, but its still possible that sadistic hops in out of nowhere and says "vig btw". hindsight is 20/20 of course and ive thought about it now and i think that sadist would be the lynch should that be the outcome, though) I also refuse to believe that there's nothing that would make him lean either way on both me and sadistic. (there really isnt. most particularly with yourself, you do have reads, theyre just weird and contain weirder, out of context evidence. sadistic gets a pass on the basis that i literally have only read 2 of his posts, which segways into something else you wrote...) Null reads are acceptable if you've considered the reasons for them being both scum and town, but in this case all of these just seem like an excuse for not forming proper reads. (im going to level with everyone, their pops, and their grandpops here; i have not read anything pre day 3. since day 3 ive read (skimmed lol) every post and taken things into consideration from the past 2 days, but most especially because ive been effectively dead for so long is why ive been longing to read isos. i actually havent been able to get around to that yet, though, so bear with me. and to emphasize this point, i actually have considered what youve posted since youve subbed in and i think some of your read on me is decently justifiable. if this contradicts a later statement, i just got too lazy to edit mid post, so i apologize) I appreciate your honesty, but I'm unsure why you only mentioned this now when you're being called out for it and not before when you actually posted the reads.This is the other problem I have, the promised wall posts. (i did actually do the wall, and to reiterate, hindsight is 20/20: i was half joking the 2nd time around (shitty excuse! is all you hear but whatever you do you) because i knew i wouldnt be able to finish it that night.) I understand that real life stuff happens and it takes priority, but at this point you're actively misleading town by not delivering such content. (this actually made me wince a bit, that alone is a pretty shitty reason to sr me. i shouldve mentioned that in my previous reply but yeah) huh? what's shitty about it? it's not the only reason I SR you. It's been a constant theme throughout the game that you've used these promises to draw attention off yourself, only to hope that everyone forgets about them. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens with the mylo elaboration you were talking about either, because he's arguably the only one you wouldn't be able to just list a simple null read on and get away with. (this is a really hostile tone for a wall that is half justified reads half pepewhat. anyway, im doing that mylo thing, because you are partially correct- he is the one person in the playerlist i actually have a solid read on right now.) I apologize if I came off as hostile - was not my intention. However, I don't see how it makes my points invalid. |
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Post by commanderawesome on Jun 14, 2019 4:48:55 GMT
Fenrir pl would be nice, but unnecesary. what is necesary is having all our players here in mylo and I dont think sadasticnarwhal is. since game is unplayable, can we pause until a sub is gotten?
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Post by Mylo13 on Jun 14, 2019 5:59:43 GMT
Okay, I'm back peeps.
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Post by Mylo13 on Jun 14, 2019 6:02:38 GMT
To Ed, Zwerb, Sadistic, Wob: If possible, please give a rundown of your thoughts on the other 3 of you. None of you have posted that much, so just check each others recent posts and look for anything that catches your eye or gives you a question etc. If you're town there's no need to worry here, so just be honest. its... zwerd. weirdchamp. just shorten it to jib if you cant read zwerd from far away (content below vvvvvvvvvv) i actually couldnt tell you anything about ed cause all of his posts have so much filler ive yet to read them. if i could get an iso of his posts i think i could read over it but i dont think im reading back over his posts as for sadistic i genuinely forgot he was in the game lol. its mylo so its not the time to lynch an inactive over an actual sr but sadistic has been falling behind noticeably in activity. as for whether i sr him, ill be honest, havent read very far back since the entirety of yesterday and half the day before that. again, an iso would help me with my read, but until i figure out how to acquire one, he has to be null wobs just null, i dont think i can really sr him but theres not enough pointing to him being town either you yourself, mylo, on the other hand, have been a very interesting character. probably'll elaborate on friday as thats when finals end but until then keep that thought in mind. TL;DR everything is null (for now) Oh gosh, sorry about still misspelling your name haha. I'll do Jib if you're fine with that  Small reads list but given the people you're talkin' about, fair lol. Like this a decent bit. I am excited to see how I've been an interesting character though  |
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I knew he was town but there was serious backlash against him, there's no solid reason why he should've been killed. Unless scum are planning to frame me (Which if so, good luck haha) or are just shooting possible mislynches I'm not sure what solid reason there is for it.
