Fire and Ice: Amsterdam (Day 6)

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an uncontested wagon, where plur was already on him, then getting off soon after..?

[Wob]

Jul 2, 2019 2:31:12 GMT Mylo13 said:

Jul 2, 2019 2:03:25 GMT Wob said:

Lynch Spiderz

Honestly the more I think about it the more I feel like his d1 push made no sense

Could u explain why dude? Do you just agree with Quax's reasoning rn?

He insisted that Zorquax was scum yesterday for seemingly no reason over the others on Crabbu.

When I specifically questioned his reasons for doing so on Discord, as I believed Zorquax to just be a troll, he backtracked and stated that "he could just as easily have been scum trolling" (after criticizing a similar argument used by me to push Crabbu). 

And now he's reverted back to using meaningless scumtells.

[Umbrella]

lynch spiderz
agree with all of wob’s points and spiderz reasoning rly doesn’t make sense

[Mylo13]

Jul 2, 2019 3:14:38 GMT Wob said:

Jul 2, 2019 2:31:12 GMT Mylo13 said:

Could u explain why dude? Do you just agree with Quax's reasoning rn?

He insisted that Zorquax was scum yesterday for seemingly no reason over the others on Crabbu.

When I specifically questioned his reasons for doing so on Discord, as I believed Zorquax to just be a troll, he backtracked and stated that "he could just as easily have been scum trolling" (after criticizing a similar argument used by me to push Crabbu). 

And now he's reverted back to using meaningless scumtells.

Ehhh I guess somewhat fair. Their Quax push hasn't been strong and I don't really believe in it that much. But their attack doesn't ring to me as scum pushing an easy lynch and seems more misguided. They've told me they aren't going that hard into it any more due to their PM's with them, and the attack hasn't come along with any peer pressure or tactics by them to actually get Quax gone. 


I understand your point, but I don't think it's scummy so much as not smart town play sorry :/

[Mylo13]

Jul 2, 2019 3:16:15 GMT Umbrella said:

lynch spiderz
agree with all of wob’s points and spiderz reasoning rly doesn’t make sense

[Mylo13]

Jul 2, 2019 2:34:44 GMT spiderz said:

Its more of him trying to hop on an easy wagon, 3rd on wagon is just a scumtell

Wait I missed this lol, what? It *could* be but this could have many loopholes lol. Did you even have 2 other votes at that time? What's to stop a town player from genuinely voting someone they scumread who already had 2 votes lol?

[Wob]

Jul 2, 2019 6:49:04 GMT Mylo13 said:

Jul 2, 2019 3:14:38 GMT Wob said:

He insisted that Zorquax was scum yesterday for seemingly no reason over the others on Crabbu.

When I specifically questioned his reasons for doing so on Discord, as I believed Zorquax to just be a troll, he backtracked and stated that "he could just as easily have been scum trolling" (after criticizing a similar argument used by me to push Crabbu). 

And now he's reverted back to using meaningless scumtells.

Ehhh I guess somewhat fair. Their Quax push hasn't been strong and I don't really believe in it that much. But their attack doesn't ring to me as scum pushing an easy lynch and seems more misguided. They've told me they aren't going that hard into it any more due to their PM's with them, and the attack hasn't come along with any peer pressure or tactics by them to actually get Quax gone. 


I understand your point, but I don't think it's scummy so much as not smart town play sorry :/

I never claimed that it was an easy lynch, just that it was a bad one. 

When were you told that he wasn't going hard at it anymore? Because from what I've seen, he's been pushing the slot all day.

[Mylo13]

Jul 2, 2019 6:53:05 GMT Wob said:

Jul 2, 2019 6:49:04 GMT Mylo13 said:

Ehhh I guess somewhat fair. Their Quax push hasn't been strong and I don't really believe in it that much. But their attack doesn't ring to me as scum pushing an easy lynch and seems more misguided. They've told me they aren't going that hard into it any more due to their PM's with them, and the attack hasn't come along with any peer pressure or tactics by them to actually get Quax gone. 


I understand your point, but I don't think it's scummy so much as not smart town play sorry :/

I never claimed that it was an easy lynch, just that it was a bad one. 

When were you told that he wasn't going hard at it anymore? Because from what I've seen, he's been pushing the slot all day.

Okay cool. They PM-ed me 5~ hours ago saying that.

[jodram22]

Unlynch derpeddeath Lynch spiderz

Glad to see my read from eod1 is gaining some traction. I was also particularly concerned with spiderz communication over discord. Btw if you wanna omgus me for being 3rd on your wagon, bring it on daddy 😛

[derpeddeath]

Lynch spiderz

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I just realized that Spiderz said he was vcing with tbz and tbz said he claimed doc to me in pms, and even though I knew we were both joking, he probably didn't understand the context and took it as a fakeclaim, and then proceeded to push me after (killing him?). with his logic, tbz would have killed me because I claimed doc to him as well. spiderz ?

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Jul 2, 2019 15:15:20 GMT derpeddeath said:

Lynch spiderz

reasoning thanks

[Alexander489]

ok slow down lol, ive been talking to spiderz here recently and dont really see him flipping scum, but i would like to know derpeddeath 's reason for lynching spiderz? if anyone could provide any info outside of the d1 push  and what not i am all ears

[Alexander489]

in all honestly it looks like this was a cw to quax, and how quickly everyone to defend quax is also a huge thinker. If spiderz is scum here however, I feel as though zorquax is not scum with him

[Alexander489]

Jul 2, 2019 3:16:15 GMT Umbrella said:

lynch spiderz
agree with all of wob’s points and spiderz reasoning rly doesn’t make sense

i also dont really particularlly like this? it looks like you are just jumping on and agreeing so you can get an easy lynch here, if you would like to expand more on why you think he is scum and why his reasoning is flawed i would love to hear it.

[spiderz]

Do uh, yall know what wagonomics are?

[Alexander489]

Jul 2, 2019 15:15:20 GMT derpeddeath said:

Lynch spiderz

speaking more of questioning derp on his lynch, he goes afk after his first post, comes back and says this? i feel like spiderz really does flip town here, and that this is scum!derp, i feel as though derp would put more effort into his pushes as town and try and actually play the game and defend himself. Especially early on in the day he did nothing to defend himself or try and explain why he was town

[Alexander489]

with all of the forementioned above i will be happily placing my lynch on derp
lynch derp

[derpeddeath]

ok

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Votecount Mid Day 2

4 spiderz* (Wob, Umbrella, jodram22, derpeddeath)
2 derpeddeath (❗, Alexander489)
1 ❗ (spiderz)
1 Wob (Myloninja13

Currently, hammer is six votes. If deadline was right now, spiderz would be lynched. As always, tell me if I made any mistakes (especially before the flip happens if it impacts it) and I'll fix it! Deadline is in approximately 24 hours of this post.

[spiderz]

Its wagonomics my people its wagonomics, well anyways after some hefty convos ive came to a final conclusion, Unlynch Quax
Lynch Derpedeath

This! this guy is... just.., Ive been discussing a lot and talking, before anyone says this im shifting bc i have gained a lot of lynches, I determined this tr when only wob was on me but that doesnt matter what does is Derpedeath, this man has said a total of 2 things so far, he comes from lurking and just lynches me out of absolutely nowhere???
so i decided to have a talk with him and here it is, pastebin.com/MYwaThsL

Ok so first thing i wanted to do is know how long hes been lurking 

so can you tell me why
or no
how long youv ebeen following fourm
DerpeddeathToday at 2:28 PM
I read every post in the forum
i just dont say as much 

So bassicly youve been actively lurking for most of the game??? Are you kidding me? Lurking is one thing but ACTIVELY Lurking, do you know how anti town that is, god this is just something else, If you seriously need an explanation on why this is scummy ill post what here what is said in another in another thread

"ACTIVE lurking is scummy, some players are genuinely busy and have irl emergencies during a game, but if you are purposely lurking it is extremely scummy for one your trying to avoid attention, 2 bassicly what snaq said about it not contributing to wincon. 3 scum is lurking because town is feeling a lynch/scumpool and scum dont want to mess that beneficial lynch/scumpool so they lurk. though some new players genuinely dont know what to say which ive even felt when i started playing ps mafia, on fourm i think majority of lurking their is active lurking well because it is fourm and their is a lot of time to be active so its a little hard to non intentionally lurk"

Note that i am putting parts of the convo on the post so that i can 

DerpeddeathToday at 2:29 PM
Also cuz u and ! are buddying i dont like it


also what makes you think quax is town btw
DerpeddeathToday at 2:32 PM
I mean he hasnt done anything particularly scummy
After seeing that ! doc claimish or whatever that was


SpiderzToday at 2:32 PM
ok
do you think quax's demeanor and manner of speech is townie aswell or nah
DerpeddeathToday at 2:32 PM
and u putting the pressure on him
its more like i see it as zorq vs u vs ! isnt tvtvt

So its obvious at this point that he doesnt realize ! and quax are the same person lmao, quax confirmed to me that they havent pmed at all so far so this means in your perspective you haven't seen quax SAY A WORD, not a SINGLE word. and you say oh he hasnt done anything particularly scummy as why you think hes town. insanity from your prespective you think quax is a lurker and your bc he hasnt done anyhting scummy hes town, ig brady and ASC are town too huh

Honestly please just read the convo yourself at this point, its insane, he reveales hes true reads about quax, hes obviously hoping on me for a free town lynch on me.
and like his reasoning for why this isnt a town v town is based on interactions?? i went into pms later on and ask for an example and he screenshot my first lynch on him and well


SpiderzToday at 2:56 PM
but what about quax
you said interations lol
DerpeddeathToday at 2:58 PM
I mean zorq doesnt really say anything outside pms
SpiderzToday at 2:59 PM
?
but yah said interactions lol
DerpeddeathToday at 3:02 PM
One way interactions are a thing? 

I cant even. This does confirm that he hasn't mistaken anyone else for Quax lmao. litereally this is scum so scum. "one sided interactions". spouting random nonesensical bull shit and acting like you knew what you were talking about isnt how you play. you say that im buddying ! is honestly a whole other meme

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just taking a moment to appreciate the term "one-sided interactions" kek

[Mylo13]

Spiderz/Quax are both town btw

Vote: Derp

[Mylo13]

Early guess at least two scum are on this Spiderz wagon, prob in {Wob, Derp, Umbrella} bc Jodram was far more chill about it (Although dude, still side-eyeing you rn)

[Mylo13]

Alex is also a solid townread from what I've seen