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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 5, 2019 20:02:11 GMT
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Post by spiderz on Jul 5, 2019 20:20:38 GMT
Yeah can you go into more depth in your reads on asc bc he has barley said a word, and can you go into mine or is the only reasoning me playing badly? You've only said i wasn't using wagonomics correctly, and Milo was even weaker. I agree on the alex and quax tr but i would like to hear your reasoning for all of your tr's. I actually don't blame you for those sr's since theres not a lot to go off of but id atleast like to hear your reasoning for trs
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 5, 2019 21:08:07 GMT
Yeah can you go into more depth in your reads on asc bc he has barley said a word, and can you go into mine or is the only reasoning me playing badly? You've only said i wasn't using wagonomics correctly, and Milo was even weaker. I agree on the alex and quax tr but i would like to hear your reasoning for all of your tr's. I actually don't blame you for those sr's since theres not a lot to go off of but id atleast like to hear your reasoning for trs
You calling the milo read "weak" is an extremely lazy attempt at discrediting it.
Milo has one scumread. He has been pushing it without examining much else of the game. He switched off to lynch derped, because you needed to be saved at eod2.
It's a very simple partner association. You've joined him on that scum push for little reason.
And yes you don't know how to use wagonomics. You tried to pass an nai tell as wagonomics and it's ridiculously stupid gameplay. It reeks of scum phoning it in since they don't actually have any thought to offer. Your whole case on derped was that he didn't realize ! and zorquax were the same person. That's nai to begin with but it's troubling that you didn't bother to correct him. It implies you went into, and came out of that conversation with an agenda and intent to push him for what he said, instead of attempting to reach the very reachable common ground. That lynch was a travesty.
Now if we want to apply wagonomics, it's as simple as you needing to be saved, so you and milo collaborated to push an easy mislynch. The fact that neither of you for one second decided to consider how that conversation was in any way scum-indicative, is very telling.
Wob's reaction to pressure has me townreading him. He said all the things I'd expect a townie to say in that spot. He didn't buckle or fold and he reasonably tried to converse with two people who had no intention of being reasonable.
I think alex might just be town with bad reads. It's weird that he's reading milo for "contribution". However he had some analytical posts at eod2 that I liked.
The doc stuff has me thinking zorquax town. The argument here for scum!zorquax is he's Fire Mafia. Sell that if you want me to change the read. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 5, 2019 21:12:11 GMT
Gonna go out on a bit of a limb here but: Vote: WobNeed more from you dude, just have a bit of suspicion on you from gut tbh. I was literally the fifth person on derped and you were the third, what are you even talking about anymore? ........ I feel like this is a misunderstanding lol. They're not talking about positions of wagons, they're talking about the two competing wagons (Derp and Spiderz). You were the only one to flip from Spiderz to Derp, and that's why it was different. They're hypothesis is that you, as scum, didn't want to look bad by being on a different wagon than the one that would flip scum (You presuming that Derp would flip scum). I don't agree with this necessarily as I think you could've just been joining the wagon regardless of if Derp was town or not, but this doesn't have anything to do with position lol.
he starts with a "Gut read" which he does not let up on until it's time to save spiderz
I feel like his use of the arbitrary switch from wob as a scum-indicative point against wob is a cheap attempt to hide his own switch
He doesn't actually examine what wob was thinking of derped, presumably because he wasn't thinking much about what depred was going to flip either
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 5, 2019 22:46:32 GMT
Broooooooooo :/
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 5, 2019 22:50:31 GMT
I don't want to put spiderz at l-1 because raisins
very wary of milo for latching on to one scumread like that
he looked a lot more engaged in the d6
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vote milo Totally justified points, but the reason I'm latching onto a scumread like this is because it's an *actual* strong scumread. I'd happily go without eating grapes for a week if Wob was actually town here, last game I didn't have any reads like this. Part of the reason that I scumread Wob so much is the difference between this and last game, I picked up on a tonal difference early and it got worse lol. |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 5, 2019 22:54:26 GMT
yeah spiderz/milo just straight up works as a team
and milo's buddying behaviour is the kinda shit I'd expect from him there, from a psychological profile standpoint
with that being said the read is barely level 1 but I'd bet good money on spiderz/milo having at least one
the derpeddeath lynch was atrocious and it's ridiculous people would let spiderz push that
I'm suspicious of asc in particular after that  I mean, given what's been seen fair lol. But my role name is firmly shown in green lol And quietly, if I was scum you'd know within a day because I suuuuuuuuuuck haha . Spiderz *could* be scum but that would mean faking everything in our PM's and the 3p with Quax which I seriously doubt lol. |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 5, 2019 22:55:24 GMT
But seriously, spiderz shouldn't be getting away with screaming "wagonomics" over and over again when he demonstarted he has no clue how to apply the fundamentals of wagonomics
also i just realized i lynched milo after looking at the wrong vc
unvote milo, vote spiderz It is indeed kinda weird lol, but what does that relate to being scum? |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 5, 2019 22:57:56 GMT
wob, alex, zor all preliminary town
going to see if i can get in contact with everyone I haven't talked to Ooof bud, why're you townreading Wob haha? BTW, feel free to contact me in Discord if you wanna talk  You could ask me some questions to confirm my alignment, like "Do you like the cold?" "How hot do you like showers?" "Cats or Dogs?" and you'd see my real time reaction  |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 5, 2019 23:09:18 GMT
Yeah can you go into more depth in your reads on asc bc he has barley said a word, and can you go into mine or is the only reasoning me playing badly? You've only said i wasn't using wagonomics correctly, and Milo was even weaker. I agree on the alex and quax tr but i would like to hear your reasoning for all of your tr's. I actually don't blame you for those sr's since theres not a lot to go off of but id atleast like to hear your reasoning for trs
You calling the milo read "weak" is an extremely lazy attempt at discrediting it.
Milo has one scumread. He has been pushing it without examining much else of the game. He switched off to lynch derped, because you needed to be saved at eod2.
It's a very simple partner association. You've joined him on that scum push for little reason.
And yes you don't know how to use wagonomics. You tried to pass an nai tell as wagonomics and it's ridiculously stupid gameplay. It reeks of scum phoning it in since they don't actually have any thought to offer. Your whole case on derped was that he didn't realize ! and zorquax were the same person. That's nai to begin with but it's troubling that you didn't bother to correct him. It implies you went into, and came out of that conversation with an agenda and intent to push him for what he said, instead of attempting to reach the very reachable common ground. That lynch was a travesty.
Now if we want to apply wagonomics, it's as simple as you needing to be saved, so you and milo collaborated to push an easy mislynch. The fact that neither of you for one second decided to consider how that conversation was in any way scum-indicative, is very telling.
Wob's reaction to pressure has me townreading him. He said all the things I'd expect a townie to say in that spot. He didn't buckle or fold and he reasonably tried to converse with two people who had no intention of being reasonable.
I think alex might just be town with bad reads. It's weird that he's reading milo for "contribution". However he had some analytical posts at eod2 that I liked.
The doc stuff has me thinking zorquax town. The argument here for scum!zorquax is he's Fire Mafia. Sell that if you want me to change the read.I mean just quietly, there hasn't been *that* much of the game to examine lol  . That reason for Town!Wob isn't awful but at the same time it felt like a confirmation of my fears lol. Out of all the things they could've done, like go into my PM's and convince me otherwise or try to do a bigger analysis on the game or try and find some strong townreads, they decided to do a cheap scumread on the person who'd been openly scumreading them for a while and it seemed like they were attempting to make Spiderz look worse. These just rang hollow to me haha, he may have said some fine points but its what was omitted and the way he said it that counted. |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 5, 2019 23:27:48 GMT
Breakfasted up let's roll! Gonna go out on a bit of a limb here but: Vote: WobNeed more from you dude, just have a bit of suspicion on you from gut tbh. ........ I feel like this is a misunderstanding lol. They're not talking about positions of wagons, they're talking about the two competing wagons (Derp and Spiderz). You were the only one to flip from Spiderz to Derp, and that's why it was different. They're hypothesis is that you, as scum, didn't want to look bad by being on a different wagon than the one that would flip scum (You presuming that Derp would flip scum). I don't agree with this necessarily as I think you could've just been joining the wagon regardless of if Derp was town or not, but this doesn't have anything to do with position lol.
he starts with a "Gut read" which he does not let up on until it's time to save spiderz
I feel like his use of the arbitrary switch from wob as a scum-indicative point against wob is a cheap attempt to hide his own switch
He doesn't actually examine what wob was thinking of derped, presumably because he wasn't thinking much about what depred was going to flip either
Uhhhhhh I feel like I'm misunderstanding this lol. I never let up on my Wob read but I was fine to go to Derp as a compromise bc my townreads wanted them and they were in a scumpool for me. That last part is kinda fair, I obviously hoped they'd flip scum but I wasn't that far into Derp!Scum lol. The difference was that Wob had a seemingly decent push on Spiderz and then just flipped onto the Derp wagon which was ran by the person who they'd just been voting haha? I didn't understand why and it seemed hella weird, especially in hindsight given Derp was town. |
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Post by spiderz on Jul 5, 2019 23:28:53 GMT
The push on derp was based on his sheep lynch on me and tr on quax
And I am most definitely trying to discredit your wagons, they are weak pushes, I have a strong feeling that theese are just reaction test to find scum. If it isn’t then idk how you expect that as valid reasoning for us being scum. The only strong argument I see from you is me and milo buddying whitch is mostly a result of us hard tring each other
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 6, 2019 1:28:08 GMT
The push on derp was based on his sheep lynch on me and tr on quax And I am most definitely trying to discredit your wagons, they are weak pushes, I have a strong feeling that theese are just reaction test to find scum. If it isn’t then idk how you expect that as valid reasoning for us being scum. The only strong argument I see from you is me and milo buddying whitch is mostly a result of us hard tring each other
Spiderz: You're right but I'm town
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 6, 2019 1:28:50 GMT
But seriously, spiderz shouldn't be getting away with screaming "wagonomics" over and over again when he demonstarted he has no clue how to apply the fundamentals of wagonomics
also i just realized i lynched milo after looking at the wrong vc
unvote milo, vote spiderz It is indeed kinda weird lol, but what does that relate to being scum? |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 6, 2019 1:32:49 GMT
Breakfasted up let's roll! Two major posts from milo's iso
he starts with a "Gut read" which he does not let up on until it's time to save spiderz
I feel like his use of the arbitrary switch from wob as a scum-indicative point against wob is a cheap attempt to hide his own switch
He doesn't actually examine what wob was thinking of derped, presumably because he wasn't thinking much about what depred was going to flip either
Uhhhhhh I feel like I'm misunderstanding this lol. I never let up on my Wob read but I was fine to go to Derp as a compromise bc my townreads wanted them and they were in a scumpool for me. That last part is kinda fair, I obviously hoped they'd flip scum but I wasn't that far into Derp!Scum lol. The difference was that Wob had a seemingly decent push on Spiderz and then just flipped onto the Derp wagon which was ran by the person who they'd just been voting haha? I didn't understand why and it seemed hella weird, especially in hindsight given Derp was town.
However weighed against spiderz it's still the lesser of two evils
Because it's really that bloody simple to say "! and quax are the same person" and the fact that he didn't do so meant he wasn't trying to get anything out of that conversation other than an easy push |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 6, 2019 1:46:17 GMT
It is indeed kinda weird lol, but what does that relate to being scum? I mean, I see it as overconfident town but that could just be biased given my read lol. I dunno, I don't find that particularly scummy but I do understand a scumread for that haha |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 6, 2019 1:52:37 GMT
Breakfasted up let's roll! Uhhhhhh I feel like I'm misunderstanding this lol. I never let up on my Wob read but I was fine to go to Derp as a compromise bc my townreads wanted them and they were in a scumpool for me. That last part is kinda fair, I obviously hoped they'd flip scum but I wasn't that far into Derp!Scum lol. The difference was that Wob had a seemingly decent push on Spiderz and then just flipped onto the Derp wagon which was ran by the person who they'd just been voting haha? I didn't understand why and it seemed hella weird, especially in hindsight given Derp was town.
However weighed against spiderz it's still the lesser of two evils
Because it's really that bloody simple to say "! and quax are the same person" and the fact that he didn't do so meant he wasn't trying to get anything out of that conversation other than an easy pushObviously you see what you see but I don't see that haha. Remember, Wob 'agreed' with all of Spiderz points and went along with it so anything Spiderz said, Wob apparently accepted. I don't think that goes under independant but :shrug: . IDK man, Spiderz hasn't had necessarily good play but maybe you should start a PM with them on Discord and see if that gets you to townread them like it did me. I kinda feel a bit pointless constantly saying "Well it's not towny play per se, but they've behaved townly where you couldn't see so they're obv!town lol" but it's true haha. |
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Post by Wob on Jul 6, 2019 2:03:03 GMT
lynch spiderz
meant to park here before
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Post by Wob on Jul 6, 2019 2:07:48 GMT
ASC is where he is because he has in fact barely said anything but still managed to find a way to hammer a mislynch with little explanation in between. In this setup scum want free excuses to lynch people that aren't aligned with them so I wouldn't expect to find any sort of thought process there worth analyzing to begin with. I think he has a decent shot of being the other Ice Mafia.
You calling the milo read "weak" is an extremely lazy attempt at discrediting it.
Milo has one scumread. He has been pushing it without examining much else of the game. He switched off to lynch derped, because you needed to be saved at eod2.
It's a very simple partner association. You've joined him on that scum push for little reason.
And yes you don't know how to use wagonomics. You tried to pass an nai tell as wagonomics and it's ridiculously stupid gameplay. It reeks of scum phoning it in since they don't actually have any thought to offer. Your whole case on derped was that he didn't realize ! and zorquax were the same person. That's nai to begin with but it's troubling that you didn't bother to correct him. It implies you went into, and came out of that conversation with an agenda and intent to push him for what he said, instead of attempting to reach the very reachable common ground. That lynch was a travesty.
Now if we want to apply wagonomics, it's as simple as you needing to be saved, so you and milo collaborated to push an easy mislynch. The fact that neither of you for one second decided to consider how that conversation was in any way scum-indicative, is very telling.
Wob's reaction to pressure has me townreading him. He said all the things I'd expect a townie to say in that spot. He didn't buckle or fold and he reasonably tried to converse with two people who had no intention of being reasonable.
I think alex might just be town with bad reads. It's weird that he's reading milo for "contribution". However he had some analytical posts at eod2 that I liked.
The doc stuff has me thinking zorquax town. The argument here for scum!zorquax is he's Fire Mafia. Sell that if you want me to change the read. I mean just quietly, there hasn't been *that* much of the game to examine lol . That reason for Town!Wob isn't awful but at the same time it felt like a confirmation of my fears lol. Out of all the things they could've done, like go into my PM's and convince me otherwise or try to do a bigger analysis on the game or try and find some strong townreads, they decided to do a cheap scumread on the person who'd been openly scumreading them for a while and it seemed like they were attempting to make Spiderz look worse. These just rang hollow to me haha, he may have said some fine points but its what was omitted and the way he said it that counted. Which scumread are you calling cheap? The Spiderz one? I was pushing that slot as early as day one, well before he made any mention of "openly scumreading" me. |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 6, 2019 2:07:52 GMT
lynch spiderzmeant to park here before  |
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Post by Wob on Jul 6, 2019 2:09:13 GMT
Also I haven't actively PMed anyone this game and I don't intend to - 99% of the time there's no reason for town to conceal information in this setup.
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 6, 2019 2:10:31 GMT
I mean just quietly, there hasn't been *that* much of the game to examine lol . That reason for Town!Wob isn't awful but at the same time it felt like a confirmation of my fears lol. Out of all the things they could've done, like go into my PM's and convince me otherwise or try to do a bigger analysis on the game or try and find some strong townreads, they decided to do a cheap scumread on the person who'd been openly scumreading them for a while and it seemed like they were attempting to make Spiderz look worse. These just rang hollow to me haha, he may have said some fine points but its what was omitted and the way he said it that counted. Which scumread are you calling cheap? The Spiderz one? I was pushing that slot as early as day one, well before he made any mention of "openly scumreading" me. Nah fam, the one where you were against me Spiderz ain't a cheap scumread from you but money don't mean nothin' when it comes to the mafia who have plenty if you know what I mean  |
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Post by Mylo13 on Jul 6, 2019 2:12:04 GMT
Also I haven't actively PMed anyone this game and I don't intend to - 99% of the time there's no reason for town to conceal information in this setup. But like, couldn't it help your reads be more thorough and also get other people's thoughts who don't want to necessarily share with the entire group? I mean I understand the hesitation but there can be plenty of positive utility from PM's and outside contact that you're shunning at face value? |
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Post by Wob on Jul 6, 2019 2:13:28 GMT
Breakfasted up let's roll! Two major posts from milo's iso
he starts with a "Gut read" which he does not let up on until it's time to save spiderz
I feel like his use of the arbitrary switch from wob as a scum-indicative point against wob is a cheap attempt to hide his own switch
He doesn't actually examine what wob was thinking of derped, presumably because he wasn't thinking much about what depred was going to flip either
Uhhhhhh I feel like I'm misunderstanding this lol. I never let up on my Wob read but I was fine to go to Derp as a compromise bc my townreads wanted them and they were in a scumpool for me. That last part is kinda fair, I obviously hoped they'd flip scum but I wasn't that far into Derp!Scum lol. The difference was that Wob had a seemingly decent push on Spiderz and then just flipped onto the Derp wagon which was ran by the person who they'd just been voting haha? I didn't understand why and it seemed hella weird, especially in hindsight given Derp was town. Yeah I flipped on Derped, but that doesn't mean I ever discarded my scumread on Spiderz. Him being on the wagon wasn't a strong enough reason to prevent me from pushing it as well, especially in a multiball setup where they reasonably could've both been scum without even bussing. |
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Post by Wob on Jul 6, 2019 2:16:18 GMT
Also I haven't actively PMed anyone this game and I don't intend to - 99% of the time there's no reason for town to conceal information in this setup. But like, couldn't it help your reads be more thorough and also get other people's thoughts who don't want to necessarily share with the entire group? I mean I understand the hesitation but there can be plenty of positive utility from PM's and outside contact that you're shunning at face value? In my eyes, there's no reason for someone to not want to share with the entire group unless they're scum (or doctor, I suppose). I've talked in the Discord channel, but that's about it. |
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I mean, given what's been seen fair lol. But my role name is firmly shown in green lol And quietly, if I was scum you'd know within a day because I suuuuuuuuuuck haha . Spiderz *could* be scum but that would mean faking everything in our PM's and the 3p with Quax which I seriously doubt lol.
You could ask me some questions to confirm my alignment, like "Do you like the cold?" "How hot do you like showers?" "Cats or Dogs?" and you'd see my real time reaction 
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