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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Sept 21, 2019 0:24:09 GMT
Unless you're being sarcastic here and saying "since we're being bad and faction solving instead of game solving then replicants might as well be there lol" Ding ding ding. To green text - Alright I can't disagree to this point and to be honest I'm pretty damn guilty of probably doing it All stuff aside, just judging from pure player meta who do you think you can read the best in the PL? I'm actually glad you asked this bc it's something I probably take for granted, and as it turns out you're the only player in this PL I don't have experience with, either from having hosted them or from having played with them. In terms of legibility: I'm generally p solid with reading ZoL and Cyan/SFL. I've had mixed success w/ reading Ed, Crabbu & Lat, but usually find myself advocating vigshots & policy lynches on them. Haven't played w/ Toni in a while. Hardest to read for me tend to be Fen (this is a good thing imo) and bgb (this is a bad thing imo) In general, what's something I should know about your playstyle? Any past games from you that I should be looking at? Mm so you're against every current lynch? I mean all lynches are just as much of a "gut lynch" as any other lynch rn tbh Inclusive of your ZoL lynch rvs =/= gut lynch In all the flaffing about around my vacation from Mariah gifs, I overlooked this comment, but obligatory: RVS is useless if you announce it. FoS here, too. The only stupid questions are ones that come from not reading, which--while definitely a problem I anticipate with this PL--isn't the case here. I'm saying that if we're using the game flavor to speculate alignments in the setup, then it feels silly to overlook Replicants. I'm also saying, later on in the post, that players exerting more energy into setupsolving at this stage than getting the game into any kind of momentum need some TLC You seem a little adamant that Replicants should be considered in this setup, but I'll take that as whatever. This is still early day, and we don't have too much ground to work on, but real content should pop up in a while, and we can gamesolve from that.
It's not like I'm spending all my effort in this game to just look at flavortext - I understand very clearly there's more to a game than flavor and setups, but when the game's in its budding phases, we might as well start from the tiniest of clues.  Gonna ignore the misrep in the first paragraph (divorces the comment in question from its context: AlmostZero [AZ? Arizona? You're probably going to get a nickname from me at some point tbh, fair warning] asked for clarity), and instead we'll turn our attention to the bold, which is more troublesome imo. My issue is that, if two out of three of your introductory posts are you speculating into the setup with minimal player interaction, it's going to catch my attention. If you deny it, that's going to catch my attention more. If you deny that you're giving undue focus to faction-solving and in the same breath continue to stress the point, it comes across as defensive. So I'll dig in my heels a bit here: You dropped a lynch on Lat a while back. What do you think of their play so far? Sigh I've got a 3 post restriction each night (which includes lynches) but just wanted to say that I'm here so...yay? Hey boo<3 Miss your face. This is less directed at you, and more something for the whole PL, but I think it'd be prudent to prep some talking points in light of the post-restriction. (Would also greatly appreciate it if anyone else who might have a similar restriction could speak up) OK. I'm back. I'll follow up with more posts after this. Meanwhile: 1. Schiavetto's FOS on everyone who speculated about flavor is flawed, especially with multiple players suspected. There are both possible town and scum motivations—solving flavor and pretending to contribute—but there's no context in which we can settle on either of the motives. Therefore, it's non-alignment-indicative. Better to say "FOS on everyone." 2. Same goes with abdel "defending" me. 3. Schiavetto, can you explain your read on Cyan Talon (I assume that that isn't RVS)? 4. Gimm1ck, please change the thread title to "Day One." You're being disingenuous; it was v apparent from context imo (and from SFL's response) what my rationale was. I get your overall argument tbh, but if it's happening at the expense of something else, then I'd argue it def can be an alignment indicator, and I'm not ready to dismiss it. Where's Abdel defending you? All I see from Abby rn is filler (which is Super Not Great) Two pages of heavy focus on the flavor text, barely any content related to players. Y'all can do better. Schia realized this but used it to put a blanket FoS on anyone doing it, which I don't like. Nobody has quetioned meh seems kinda sus huh? It be like that when you have 0 posts. Early townlean on AlmostZero's response to Schia. Reads as genuine and the callout on the contradiction indicates a level of introspection. cyan there's plenty more to acknowledge than what you did during your last visit. Much of page 4 has game-related content; I wonder what you think of it. Nah, fam, we givin' out fingers like candy.  I vibe w/ the TL, but I'd vibe even more w/ a 3x3 tbh. I can see you're not playing Civ so I expect an immediate response |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Sept 21, 2019 0:26:46 GMT
itzlatios220044 what are you current thoughts of what has happened so far? While you're waiting for a response on that, I'd actually super appreciate it if you talked to me about where you stand w/ Abby. He still lynchfodder, or do you see yourself moving elsewhere? |
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 0:27:27 GMT
OK. I'm back. I'll follow up with more posts after this. Meanwhile: 1. Schiavetto's FOS on everyone who speculated about flavor is flawed, especially with multiple players suspected. There are both possible town and scum motivations—solving flavor and pretending to contribute—but there's no context in which we can settle on either of the motives. Therefore, it's non-alignment-indicative. Better to say "FOS on everyone." 2. Same goes with abdel "defending" me. 1. Honestly, I think you this as well as I do that Schia wasn't actually putting a big FoS on almost the entire PL. When you say "everyone's acting scummy" you don't mean "everyone is scum", it just means that nobody is playing well enough. And please don't disagree to that. 2. Wdym same goes with abdel defending you? That he is defending everyone? I politely disagree; in the context of his messages it didn't seem that he was defending everyone. I've extended this argument with this post, feel free to reply to that |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Sept 21, 2019 0:28:22 GMT
At work rn, but I can give you a full run through this evening (100% don't hate myself enough to format the response on mobile) I'll say though that I've either played or hosted a game w every player on this PL but you. If you can wait that long, I think it would be helpful to have some game samples I'm all up for waiting, and sorry I don't think I can provide any specific game samples of myself, this is my first game here Oh, I meant like, from another community. Or do you mostly play IRL? Basically, what should we know about your background is what I'm asking ig. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Sept 21, 2019 0:29:40 GMT
Oh word, we're both online. While I have you, AZ, read Fen's posts & Jocuses posts side-by-side and tell me what you think.
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 0:31:33 GMT
I'm all up for waiting, and sorry I don't think I can provide any specific game samples of myself, this is my first game here Oh, I meant like, from another community. Or do you mostly play IRL? Basically, what should we know about your background is what I'm asking ig. i play irl, real time on ps, etc, reallyy don't have much experience on forums |
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Post by bluegummybear on Sept 21, 2019 0:33:52 GMT
itzlatios220044 what are you current thoughts of what has happened so far? . Attachments:
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 0:34:23 GMT
Oh word, we're both online. While I have you, AZ, read Fen's posts & Jocuses posts side-by-side and tell me what you think. Unless I'm missing something, there doesn't seem to be a connection? Just to be sure, we're talking about these posts right? Two pages of heavy focus on the flavor text, barely any content related to players. Y'all can do better. Schia realized this but used it to put a blanket FoS on anyone doing it, which I don't like. Nobody has quetioned meh seems kinda sus huh? It be like that when you have 0 posts. Early townlean on AlmostZero's response to Schia. Reads as genuine and the callout on the contradiction indicates a level of introspection. cyan there's plenty more to acknowledge than what you did during your last visit. Much of page 4 has game-related content; I wonder what you think of it. OK. I'm back. I'll follow up with more posts after this. Meanwhile: 1. Schiavetto's FOS on everyone who speculated about flavor is flawed, especially with multiple players suspected. There are both possible town and scum motivations—solving flavor and pretending to contribute—but there's no context in which we can settle on either of the motives. Therefore, it's non-alignment-indicative. Better to say "FOS on everyone." 2. Same goes with abdel "defending" me. 3. Schiavetto, can you explain your read on Cyan Talon (I assume that that isn't RVS)? 4. Gimm1ck, please change the thread title to "Day One." |
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 0:34:59 GMT
I'll comment on schia's long post soon, formatting on this website is baad.
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 0:35:46 GMT
LYNCH Jocus Gut reads are OP af Why would anyone believe this Slot is town? Before I go I just want to ask you this - why do you feel this way? |
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 0:36:53 GMT
Unlynch Schiavetto
Lynch Edward
Meant to do this yesterday night, though all the more reason to do it rn. Will expand soon
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Sept 21, 2019 1:05:39 GMT
Will give it a bit to let others weigh in.
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Post by bluegummybear on Sept 21, 2019 1:14:15 GMT
Out of context. Read my next post. I tried to upload an image and failed. OK. I'm back. I'll follow up with more posts after this. Meanwhile: 1. Schiavetto's FOS on everyone who speculated about flavor is flawed, especially with multiple players suspected. There are both possible town and scum motivations—solving flavor and pretending to contribute—but there's no context in which we can settle on either of the motives. Therefore, it's non-alignment-indicative. Better to say "FOS on everyone." 2. Same goes with abdel "defending" me. 3. Schiavetto, can you explain your read on Cyan Talon (I assume that that isn't RVS)? 4. Gimm1ck, please change the thread title to "Day One." Don't need to filler like that. This goes for everyone, too. Toni XY, posting in walls is probably the best strategy. Question for your wall: why did you waste one of the three posts? Also, is it "night" and not "day? , Overall had a pretty good approach to this day 1(I would say the best "towny" approach). Most of his post seems very considerate in a good way. Although Jocus seems to build himself up as a town, in my opinion, I sense that he may be overthinking in the way he wants to perceive himself After Further investigations. Before I go into details I would rather wait for further indications. There is One key detail I will keep to myself for the time being that prevents from gathering a precise read on this player. What is everyone else thoughts? |
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Post by Jocus on Sept 21, 2019 1:15:20 GMT
Schiavetto, their is no context yet. Also, I was talking about their rationale (the players who are trying to speculate flavor), not your rationale.
Abdelrahman has been accused of trying to "defend" me by questioning Latios's lynch on me due to "gutreads." Note that I put "defending" in quotes.
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Post by Jocus on Sept 21, 2019 1:15:31 GMT
there*
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Post by bluegummybear on Sept 21, 2019 1:32:52 GMT
Why would anyone believe this Slot is town? Before I go I just want to ask you this - why do you feel this way? This post has no aspiration whats so ever. The post That Lati Made made have been a "trolly"/meme post which is what i am suspecting, however It may not be which is rather disappointing. I dont want to Say much about the post itself Since There no sense of intentions from that slot. I simply Responded in a way that can possible allow me to gather more information. After all im geting underachieving gameplay Vibes from This Slot. |
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Post by bluegummybear on Sept 21, 2019 1:35:37 GMT
"This post has no aspiration whats so ever." Was referring to lati post btw
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 3:23:36 GMT
Quoting schia's long post. See spoiler for color code. To green text - Alright I can't disagree to this point and to be honest I'm pretty damn guilty of probably doing it All stuff aside, just judging from pure player meta who do you think you can read the best in the PL? I'm actually glad you asked this bc it's something I probably take for granted, and as it turns out you're the only player in this PL I don't have experience with, either from having hosted them or from having played with them. In terms of legibility: I'm generally p solid with reading ZoL and Cyan/SFL.I've had mixed success w/ reading Ed, Crabbu & Lat, but usually find myself advocating vigshots & policy lynches on them. Haven't played w/ Toni in a while. Hardest to read for me tend to be Fen (this is a good thing imo) and bgb (this is a bad thing imo)In general, what's something I should know about your playstyle? Any past games from you that I should be looking at? You seem a little adamant that Replicants should be considered in this setup, but I'll take that as whatever. This is still early day, and we don't have too much ground to work on, but real content should pop up in a while, and we can gamesolve from that.
It's not like I'm spending all my effort in this game to just look at flavortext - I understand very clearly there's more to a game than flavor and setups, but when the game's in its budding phases, we might as well start from the tiniest of clues. Gonna ignore the misrep in the first paragraph (divorces the comment in question from its context: AlmostZero [AZ? Arizona? You're probably going to get a nickname from me at some point tbh, fair warning] asked for clarity), and instead we'll turn our attention to the bold, which is more troublesome imo. My issue is that, if two out of three of your introductory posts are you speculating into the setup with minimal player interaction, it's going to catch my attention. If you deny it, that's going to catch my attention more. If you deny that you're giving undue focus to faction-solving and in the same breath continue to stress the point, it comes across as defensive. So I'll dig in my heels a bit here: You dropped a lynch on Lat a while back. What do you think of their play so far?OK. I'm back. I'll follow up with more posts after this. Meanwhile: 1. Schiavetto's FOS on everyone who speculated about flavor is flawed, especially with multiple players suspected. There are both possible town and scum motivations—solving flavor and pretending to contribute—but there's no context in which we can settle on either of the motives. Therefore, it's non-alignment-indicative. Better to say "FOS on everyone." 2. Same goes with abdel "defending" me. 3. Schiavetto, can you explain your read on Cyan Talon (I assume that that isn't RVS)? 4. Gimm1ck, please change the thread title to "Day One." You're being disingenuous; it was v apparent from context imo (and from SFL's response) what my rationale was. I get your overall argument tbh, but if it's happening at the expense of something else, then I'd argue it def can be an alignment indicator, and I'm not ready to dismiss it. Where's Abdel defending you? All I see from Abby rn is filler (which is Super Not Great) Two pages of heavy focus on the flavor text, barely any content related to players. Y'all can do better. Schia realized this but used it to put a blanket FoS on anyone doing it, which I don't like. It be like that when you have 0 posts. Early townlean on AlmostZero's response to Schia. Reads as genuine and the callout on the contradiction indicates a level of introspection. cyan there's plenty more to acknowledge than what you did during your last visit. Much of page 4 has game-related content; I wonder what you think of it. I vibe w/ the TL, but I'd vibe even more w/ a 3x3 tbh. I can see you're not playing Civ so I expect an immediate responsePurple - What do you think of ZoL rn? I know it's not been too long since the day started and he hasn't said much, but I still want to see if you can form/have an opinion on ZoL. Green - Isolating this line to show why I have a slight townlean on schia, at least a lean enough for me to remove my lynch from them. I can see contribution/effort being put in, and that's why I don't want a schia lynch d1. Blue - Two questions; 1. Who's SFL? 2. I wouldn't call it "obvious", take quite literally the next post quoted (Fenrir's), unless I'm misunderstanding something, he too agrees to the fact that your FoS on everyone was pretty exaggerated/crazy. And I'd also like to ask you, what do you mean by "at the expense of something else"? Is the "expense" here "actual scumhunting"? Red - I'm guessing you're being sarcastic, and I mean sure while I do concede to the fact that our SoD wasn't the best, I can't see this line be a good reply to Fenrir's implied FoS on you. And what does 3x3 mean? All in all, they are a townlean, it'd be a townread but there's some fishy stuff here and there |
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 3:28:32 GMT
Before I go I just want to ask you this - why do you feel this way? This post has no aspiration whats so ever. The post That Lati Made made have been a "trolly"/meme post which is what i am suspecting, however It may not be which is rather disappointing. I dont want to Say much about the post itself Since There no sense of intentions from that slot. I simply Responded in a way that can possible allow me to gather more information. After all im geting underachieving gameplay Vibes from This Slot. This post seems so scummy I can't start This makes you sound like you were 100% aware of what you were doing, like you were setting a trap for him and "im town 100% and i bet my idea would've helped us win the game ez". Your tone in your previous post seemed like you have a general idea as for what lati's doing and that you can make a really tight case on them, but now you just make a complete 180. Not only that, but you read wayyyy too much into a lynch that could just at the end of the day be RVS. I don't know where you're getting those "underachieving gameplay" vibes from. Mind enlightening me? |
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 3:36:33 GMT
Jocus, Overall had a pretty good approach to this day 1(I would say the best "towny" approach). Most of his post seems very considerate in a good way. Although Jocus seems to build himself up as a town, in my opinion, I sense that he may be overthinking in the way he wants to perceive himself After Further investigations. Before I go into details I would rather wait for further indications. There is One key detail I will keep to myself for the time being that prevents from gathering a precise read on this player. What is everyone else thoughts? I want to see what you think of this |
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Post by Jocus on Sept 21, 2019 4:31:10 GMT
I don't understand what BGB is trying to imply by the "overthinking" part. Meanwhile, I have lingering suspicions about the "one key detail."
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 7:30:23 GMT
I don't understand what BGB is trying to imply by the "overthinking" part. Meanwhile, I have lingering suspicions about the "one key detail." I'm no BGB but I can still say that the "overthinking" part refers to this line: 1. Schiavetto's FOS on everyone who speculated about flavor is flawed, especially with multiple players suspected. There are both possible town and scum motivations—solving flavor and pretending to contribute—but there's no context in which we can settle on either of the motives. Therefore, it's non-alignment-indicative. Better to say "FOS on everyone." I can only assume that the "one key detail" is something related to his role, and it was a pretty dumb move to announce that in public. Either you don't say anything, or you say what you have. You're basically saying "my role is something that says a lot about Jocus!!! But I ain't gonna tell you!!!", and that's really not helpful bluegummybearAnd as for Jocus.. I asked your opinions on that post, not your confusion.. do you think his post has any scummy nature to it? Why do you think he's giving that read? Is his read justified? |
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Post by AlmostZero on Sept 21, 2019 7:34:22 GMT
Also guys I won't be there for EoD, so if anyone wants to chat in this thread hmu asap
If you want a conversation starter, here are my 3 reads:
Slight Townlean - Schiavetto
Scumlean - Bluegummybear7
Someone who I'm fine with D1 80% policy 20% scum lynch - Edward
Rest - Neutral
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Post by cyan on Sept 21, 2019 12:25:55 GMT
I'm here now, for a while at least. Let me get back to reading the game, since I see a bit of stuff to look at.
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Post by cyan on Sept 21, 2019 12:37:33 GMT
You seem a little adamant that Replicants should be considered in this setup, but I'll take that as whatever. This is still early day, and we don't have too much ground to work on, but real content should pop up in a while, and we can gamesolve from that.
It's not like I'm spending all my effort in this game to just look at flavortext - I understand very clearly there's more to a game than flavor and setups, but when the game's in its budding phases, we might as well start from the tiniest of clues. Gonna ignore the misrep in the first paragraph (divorces the comment in question from its context: AlmostZero [AZ? Arizona? You're probably going to get a nickname from me at some point tbh, fair warning] asked for clarity), and instead we'll turn our attention to the bold, which is more troublesome imo. My issue is that, if two out of three of your introductory posts are you speculating into the setup with minimal player interaction, it's going to catch my attention. If you deny it, that's going to catch my attention more. If you deny that you're giving undue focus to faction-solving and in the same breath continue to stress the point, it comes across as defensive. So I'll dig in my heels a bit here: You dropped a lynch on Lat a while back. What do you think of their play so far? [/quote] Formatting on a phone is hard, but let's get into the big stuff. Your initial post that suggested the possibility of Replicants seemed a bit too... emotional, for lack of a better term, at least to me. But once again, I'm taking it as something not worth talking about. On the topic of what was bolded, I'm not saying that my effort up to that point wasn't focused mainly on the setup, because it was. I was saying that I wasn't going to pay too much attention to it once the game develops and there are bigger things I can look through. I can't exactly talk about what doesn't exist - or rather, I couldn't have tried to solve the game using interactions and lines that hadn't existed at that point. If we're talking about Lati, I feel like I feel too little of him. It would be great of him to speak more so I can be more certain of what I think, but let's give him the solid "absolute null" sticker. |
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