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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 16, 2020 22:14:57 GMT
Quick question I just thought about, why didn't OM save himself? Fen was at 4 and OM could have easily hammered yet he didn't wanted to know what you thought about this cuz its been bugging me for a while, and you thing Fen's town. From the perspective of OM, if I was scum and both me and town were at L-1, and I wasn't on anybody else already I'd shift and save myself even if it means I die the next day. Yeah, that's what I was saying. That + in Fenrir's town POV, it wouldn't make sense for Fenrir not to vote the only other wagon since it was looking like OM was dying anyway if Fenrir wouldve flipped town. And they both knew not voting could lead to majority aka mafia kill. This leads me to believe the Fenrir is either Mafia, that argued with OM whose life was worth the least, or Fenrir actually being a Town cw, meaning it was likely pushed by Mafia (FoS on Blurb for that scenario) |
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 16, 2020 22:19:30 GMT
>If you think I'm mafia, you think i'm mafia that impulsively bussed Not even. You were last on wagon, hell you were almost the last post of the day, and this was the actual post where you lynched him: fine. Unlynch fenrir
Lynch OMThere's nothing about that that reads as impulsive--if anything, it reads as a concession, which is entirely consistent with my read and entirely consistent with my other stated concerns about your slot. Try agin. It was that or have Mafia decide the death. In my Mafia POV, it would have been very, very easy to just not be around during dl and no ne would blame me. White Flag Gambit is a known thing, I know it's bad, and I'd realise doing it in that situation as Mafia wouldn't even give me towncred. |
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Post by bluegummybear on Mar 16, 2020 22:27:05 GMT
Zzzzzzz I dont want to play effectively when half the PL is inactive/ borderline inactive.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 17, 2020 0:04:55 GMT
Zzzzzzz I dont want to play effectively when half the PL is inactive/ borderline inactive.
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Post by Bomb Moss on Mar 17, 2020 0:19:35 GMT
fuck forgot to post.
on train tn, ill post more later
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Post by bluegummybear on Mar 17, 2020 0:21:38 GMT
Zzzzzzz I dont want to play effectively when half the PL is inactive/ borderline inactive.
i worded it wrong so its prob interpreted wrong but i still dont care enough clarify. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 17, 2020 0:28:03 GMT
i worded it wrong so its prob interpreted wrong but i still dont care enough clarify. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 17, 2020 0:29:02 GMT
"i will not play better because i dont think everyone else is doing enough"
is a really really really really stupid mindset
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 17, 2020 0:54:16 GMT
reread thread and checked it against my preliminary thoughts
tbz had an extremely weird sequence where he:
-pushes an OM vote d1
-calls OM and Xnad a team
-Votes xnad d2
The thing is bgb switched to OM no questions asked instead of staying on blurb and getting a free nk so
I'm hesitant to keep him clear but it doesn't make sense otherwise
So moving back to the idea of
blurb/chappie/sirM
I think chappie just shut his brain off and is saying whatever he feels like because he has not adjusted at all
He abandoned making his "OM and Fen is a team" wallpost and hasnt bothered to listen to why I or anyone else thinks OM and Fen just arent a bloody team
blurb's posts suck a lot and god ive never wanted to be a dayvig more
with that being said, one of blurb and sirM is a hit
They pushed identical agendas and I don't think town mirrors each other like that
I think schia and xnad are still in the green for obvious reasons
fight me on this one if you are willing to see me die on this hill damn bro I thought we was friends you ain't have to do me like that FR FR I do think I'm pretty stupid LMAOO this game proof I should quit mafia and not play no more bro I was never good at this shit why y'all let me walk around saying I was mafia goated What do you think? Sir -> blurb -> Me? Schia Fen & Xnad are locked for you & BGB is near locked for you for being tbz and lynching OM leaving Me Sir & Blurb unless I'm missing someone which I don't think I am. I honestly don't think blurb is scum but you know none of my reads have been right all game so I should just shut up What exactly from blurb makes you feel he's scummier than me, iirc both you and him were like the first 2 people to TR me early game, and I'm curious why that read (i don't want to say holds up because i know it doesn't and you don't tr me) is the way it is I guess is the best way of saying it. Why do you say Blurb over me is basically what I'm trying to get at.
i think sir is a good lynch here because there's nothing in his iso that suggests i should fight for him to not be lynched and sometimes it's that easy
fen isnt completely off the table yet but by no means should he be anyone's primary consideration for today
i will say that a problem with fenrir's scum game is that he doesnt know how to interact with partners
so the fact that he and om had zero meaningful actions against each other could be telling
but for now i think he's safe enough to shelf
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Post by Bomb Moss on Mar 17, 2020 4:52:20 GMT
damn bro I thought we was friends you ain't have to do me like that FR FR I do think I'm pretty stupid LMAOO this game proof I should quit mafia and not play no more bro I was never good at this shit why y'all let me walk around saying I was mafia goated What do you think? Sir -> blurb -> Me? Schia Fen & Xnad are locked for you & BGB is near locked for you for being tbz and lynching OM leaving Me Sir & Blurb unless I'm missing someone which I don't think I am. I honestly don't think blurb is scum but you know none of my reads have been right all game so I should just shut up What exactly from blurb makes you feel he's scummier than me, iirc both you and him were like the first 2 people to TR me early game, and I'm curious why that read (i don't want to say holds up because i know it doesn't and you don't tr me) is the way it is I guess is the best way of saying it. Why do you say Blurb over me is basically what I'm trying to get at.
i think sir is a good lynch here because there's nothing in his iso that suggests i should fight for him to not be lynched and sometimes it's that easy
fen isnt completely off the table yet but by no means should he be anyone's primary consideration for today
i will say that a problem with fenrir's scum game is that he doesnt know how to interact with partners
so the fact that he and om had zero meaningful actions against each other could be telling
but for now i think he's safe enough to shelf
I would like to blame that on fen having like, zero meaningful interaction full stop, barring c7 |
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Post by bluegummybear on Mar 17, 2020 12:09:52 GMT
Only thing keeping me from lynching BGB rn is that i just don't read tbz as scum here would love for BGB to specifically explain to me why he prefers eblurb be lynched here rather than SirM sir mister is more town then eblurb while eblurb is a lurking scum. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 17, 2020 12:59:05 GMT
im willing to hear cases for blurb town, it's just that rules of poe mean that he should be considered
i think sir is a good lynch here because there's nothing in his iso that suggests i should fight for him to not be lynched and sometimes it's that easy
fen isnt completely off the table yet but by no means should he be anyone's primary consideration for today
i will say that a problem with fenrir's scum game is that he doesnt know how to interact with partners
so the fact that he and om had zero meaningful actions against each other could be telling
but for now i think he's safe enough to shelf
I would like to blame that on fen having like, zero meaningful interaction full stop, barring c7
om didnt vote fen, fen didnt vote om |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 17, 2020 13:47:33 GMT
Only thing keeping me from lynching BGB rn is that i just don't read tbz as scum here would love for BGB to specifically explain to me why he prefers eblurb be lynched here rather than SirM sir mister is more town then eblurb while eblurb is a lurking scum. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Mar 17, 2020 15:21:18 GMT
I would like to blame that on fen having like, zero meaningful interaction full stop, barring c7
om didnt vote fen, fen didnt vote omfair point. But Sir Mister has a far higher scum equity than Fenrir atm, I'm not willing to believe I'm this high off my horses that I would confuse SirM and OM if there wasn't anything between the two that struck me as the same. If he somehow flips Town and game doesn't end, then I'm open to looking into a Fenrir case, although I can't say I'm really convinced as of now. |
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Post by gimm1ck on Mar 17, 2020 15:26:39 GMT
 3* eblurb (eblurb, Sir Mister, bluegummybear) 3 Sir Mister (Schiavetto, Xnadrojx, Forgottoflush) 1 bluegummybear (chapterseven) 1 Fenrir (Fenrir) Deadline is March 17, 3 PM EST, or in around 3 hours and 33 minutes from this post. |
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 17, 2020 15:30:24 GMT
I have to work until 6 pm my time, which is 1 hour before dl. Will post a full case on myself being town + the summary of my partnerreads so far after that, please don't hammer before that happens.
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Post by bluegummybear on Mar 17, 2020 15:40:05 GMT
3* eblurb (eblurb, Sir Mister, bluegummybear) 3 Sir Mister (Schiavetto, Xnadrojx, Forgottoflush) 1 bluegummybear (chapterseven) 1 Fenrir (Fenrir) Deadline is March 17, 3 PM EST, or in around 3 hours and 33 minutes from this post. nice, no shift pls |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 17, 2020 15:50:31 GMT
>shift
It's maj. Answer my question.
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Post by bluegummybear on Mar 17, 2020 16:16:23 GMT
>shift It's maj. Answer my question. ah true i forgot. I did answer your question because Eblurb Is a better lynch and scum potential then Sir mister due to interactions and consistency. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 17, 2020 17:15:34 GMT
Nah, see, I asked why you preferred an eblurb lynch over a Sir Mister lynch. You replied by saying that Sir Mister was townier and eblurb was lurking scum.
You didn't actually explain what why SirM was townier, though, or why eblurb was lurking scum (as opposed to lurking town).
It's like asking someone why 2 + 2 = 4, and having them say "Oh, it's because the sum of two and two is four". You're not explaining the rationale for your claim; you're just saying it again with different words.
Even just now in your follow up, you're saying "interactions" and "consistency", but you're not giving anything concrete at all to back it up. Which interactions specifically led you to this conclusion? What content from either player is showing consistency, and why should that consistency be read as town or scum?
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 17, 2020 17:16:21 GMT
SirM flips today, and if by some miracle he flips green, then tomorrow we butcher the bear.
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 17, 2020 18:24:08 GMT
Things I did that I (probably) wouldn't have done as Mafia (well some of them maybe ig) - Enforced activity from blurb and xnad by voting them untill the did stuff
- Halfway through the D2 deadline, pushed to converge votes between 2 highest voted players to make sure majority wouldn't bite us
- Hammered the player I said I'd rather not lynch because a) my read wasn't 100% and b) I didn't want to give mafia the chance to kill of the most valuable townie in their eyes
- Townlocked 3 players (C7 / xnad / Schia), which is litterally Mafia's entire wincon not to have 3 townlocks
And AGAIN about the hammeron OM, the reason I did it was because it was mechanically the bet play. As Mafia, it would have been so, so easy to get away with just not doing it and kill whoever wouldn't get lynched otherwise. |
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 17, 2020 18:25:12 GMT
Partner exclusions:
OM + Schia (SoD2 mutual deathtunnel)
OM + Xnad (xnad thought OM and me were the same person.If xnad was in a scumchat with OM, our messages would have and entirely different connotation)
C7 + Fenrir (C7 going excessively hard on Fen)
C7 + FtF (FtF going really hard on C7 EoD1 / SoD2)
C7 + blurb (“blurb is ZOL”, if he was in scumchat with either blurb or ZoL,he would know who they subbed for at that point)
C7 + xnad (see above)
Xnad + Fenrir (Omgus, also xnad isn’t scum because of the above)
I'm quite sure I had another one that I wrote down and lost it.
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 17, 2020 18:28:42 GMT
Sidenote: I townlocked C7 because he has reasons to be excluded with everyone as a partner, EXCEPT for the OM+BGB+C7 scumteam.
Seems unlikely though.
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 17, 2020 18:48:05 GMT
At this point, people quite simply need to vote to not cause the thing I have been talking about for 2 days. chapterseven Fenrir vote me, vote blurb, just VOTE. To the rest of players, maybe shift your vote cause we really, really need that 5 vote maj. |
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