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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 17, 2020 19:03:21 GMT
See this is exactly what I mean. Now Mafia gets a kill, and they kill whoever puts them in the best position from there on.
And whose fault is it? Hard to tell isn't it.
This exact situation could have happened yesterday, and I chose to hammer OM at the last second instead. But I'm scum because schia said so, right?
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 17, 2020 19:32:15 GMT
well tbf ig I didn't express this yet but I do understand why the read on me is there, given my intitial position towards the OM wagon.
That was because I quite simply didn't understand what it was that you saw as scummy in him.
The reasoning FtF expressed was "I expect OM to be a town leader and he's not in this case, so he's scum".
The reasoning behind schia's lynch appears to have been "the read on me makes no sense, thus OM is scum".
I think both of those arguments are bad, and I generally read OM's tone as Town. So there's that.
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Post by gimm1ck on Mar 17, 2020 20:16:04 GMT
 3* eblurb (eblurb, Sir Mister, bluegummybear) 3 Sir Mister (Schiavetto, Xnadrojx, Forgottoflush) 1 bluegummybear (chapterseven) 1 Fenrir (Fenrir) Nobody was hammered by the deadline. Scum have 24 hours to send a kill. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 17, 2020 22:00:46 GMT
The reasoning FtF expressed was "I expect OM to be a town leader and he's not in this case, so he's scum".
this is twice now
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 17, 2020 22:01:06 GMT
shit whoops
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Post by gimm1ck on Mar 18, 2020 21:15:45 GMT
 bluegummybear has died. They were Town.Town has Five more members left.
Mafia has Two more members left.
Town wins if 1 more Mafia is lynched. Mafia wins if 3 more Town are lynched.
Alive:
chapterseven
ForgotToFlush
Fenrir
Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪
Sir Mister
Micromorphic blurb
ZestOfLife Bomb Moss
Dead
spiderz (Town)
Cookie OMster (Mafia)
qtball bluegummybear (Town)
Reminder that Mafia get a nightkill if Maj isn't reached. This does not alter Lynch wincons, however.
Day 3 begins now. Deadline will begin again, after 20 posts have been reached. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 18, 2020 21:17:16 GMT
should we just policy chappie for being on the fucking moon with his reads
vote Sir Mister
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 18, 2020 21:18:05 GMT
S/o to scum for saving me the trouble. Back to this.
Lynch Sir Mister
Maybe this time you guys will actually hammer.
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 18, 2020 21:43:38 GMT
Lynch FenrirDon't want to repeat my case, lynching me is bad etc. Good time to prepare for after my townflip. Who else do you see as scum Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ ForgotToFlushAlso why was Fenrir being read as town again
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 19, 2020 1:23:27 GMT
The reasoning FtF expressed was "I expect OM to be a town leader and he's not in this case, so he's scum".
this is twice now
sirm just doesnt read my fucking posts |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Mar 19, 2020 1:24:06 GMT
i do not spend all that time going back and forth with om just for you to completely misinterpret what I said and why I said it
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blurb
Innocent Child
ball so hard
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Post by blurb on Mar 19, 2020 8:15:15 GMT
edit: my bad for the OM tr i still have lots to learn ig about forums im trash lmao
double edit: this is maj?
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blurb
Innocent Child
ball so hard
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Post by blurb on Mar 19, 2020 8:27:26 GMT
alright i read the stuff. okay I still don't understand why bgb/sm were on me yesterday. bgb declared intent to lynch me and did so, but when I read there was no other reasoning besides the 3rd vote thing. His main reads were me, om, and ftf (for reference).
My other question is - why would SM switch to OM when the bus really wasn't needed here? Clearly, it didn't even give him much towncred anyways. Also, I do agree that I was OM's "main defender" but I actually didn't defend him that much imo, I just said he was prob town. I never told ppl to get off him or to switch to Fenrir or stuff like that.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 19, 2020 9:42:33 GMT
My other question is - why would SM switch to OM when the bus really wasn't needed here? Clearly, it didn't even give him much towncred anyways. Also, I do agree that I was OM's "main defender" but I actually didn't defend him that much imo, I just said he was prob town. I never told ppl to get off him or to switch to Fenrir or stuff like that. I have addressed this. Stop using the forums as an excuse; the only differences are that 1) in a forum game, you have access to all the game logs, so you're expected to actually read them, and 2) deadlines and character limits are longer, meaning you have more time to say more things. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 19, 2020 9:43:39 GMT
BRB, fetching all the stuff on OM + SirM
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 19, 2020 9:52:02 GMT
EXHIBIT AOMGUS theorem: scumpartners never omgus each other early. Thus ZOL + Fenrir cannot be scumpartners. This has been statistically proven in over 10 games, which is close to infinite, so it's true. Soo I'd like to stay away from those 2 for now, since they're both slightly less likely to be scum from this. Lynch Micromorphic
Cause Spiderz would busDont see why everyone is brushing this off as pointless, it's his entry post and hes tryna give yall smth with what hes got. Weak ass topic on a nai (or him / fen / zol team) post SirM post is meh, but doesn't vibe with me as scummy--something can be lackluster and overwrought tongue-in-cheek without necessarily meaning Big Bad Scum. Om defending sirm is  Om defending spiderz is i'm going to come back to this thread and respond coherently when i'm better rested Day 1. SirM makes a weird post commenting on possible partnerships. The tone is off, and the explanations are limp. OM rescues him (earlier in the same post, he defends Spiderz). I brush off the Sir Mister post but call out OM for defending the two other players. Set up for Spiderz into OM.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 19, 2020 10:08:42 GMT
EXHIBIT BAlways sad when your RVS doesn't have effect. Guessing micro is the slot Gimm1ck wanted to sub. Unlynch Micromorphic
The tale of Spooderboy: Spiderz getting defensive [ x] Spiderz declaring he puts his soul on the line for his FtF scumread: [ x] Spiderz disregarding the read he made [ x] Spiderz bringing bad arguments to other players: [ x] The thing that holds me back to vote him is being called out by litterally every active player. I've seen Schia, FtF,Fenrir, OM, and C7 call him either bad, scum or both; with reason. As scum in white flag, you'd expect a partner to find reasons to protect him. I guess he doesn't offer many excuses to be townread. Lynch SpiderzAlso if Spiderz is scum, there's a maximum of 1 scum in FtF/Fenrir/OM/C7 It's safe to say that a Spiderz+OM scumteam is close to excluded in general. Lastly, I refuse to be linked to Spiderz for having him drop a TR on me if he were to flip scum. His TR is totally valid if he flips town v: That being said, ya boy's Scorpio sun and Virgo rising refuses to rule out the possibility of Spiderz flipping green. If that's the case, attention turns to a few other places:FTF: While I still largely townread this, I think there's a clear difference between provocation (with the intent of eliciting certain alignment-indicative behaviors and ruling out possibilities about the gamestate) and spin (framing things in a certain light now to make future pushes more palatable), and given his vigor today, I'm not ready to dismiss it as TvT after a greenflip. Also--any reason your votecount on Spiderz is off?OM: Still don't like the SirM apologia (the position itself is fine, but I don't like the explanation given). Also had a few opportunities to skim through thread today during my planning periods, and as much as I kept waiting for OM to poke and prod at someone other than Spidey, it never happened. I would still like it to happen. I refreshed the thread just now to see if it has happened, and I'm told that I am the one to be poked and prodded at (though no such poking or prodding has occured). Have at it, my guy. Ravish me.SirM: Can you give me your thoughts on some of those active players you listed?
@qtball chapterseven if either of you would like to Lynch the Spider now, that would be grand. [/div][/div][/quote] Still Day 1. Offscreen, I have declared intent to hammer. Sir Mister moves off of micro and onto Spiderz. He spends the whole post justifying the Spiderz lynch. He makes a brief comment about the possibility of a mislynch, given the amount of players on the wagon and lack of competition. I make a lengthy post. The first half addresses the ramifications of Spiderz being scum. The second part talks about what happens if he flips town. I acknowledge the near-zero possibility of FTF v Spiderz being S v T. I double-down on OM's gross defense of Sir mister and call out his hesitation to look into other suspects. I call on Sir Mister to do the same: he has implied that Spidey is LHF being actively pushed by scum, but does nothing to actually look into any of the five (five!) people he calls out.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 19, 2020 10:23:55 GMT
EXHIBIT CNo quotes for this one, since it all reads relatively quickly: Page 6Still Day 1. OM responds to my previous wallpost, but only the part that discusses scum!Spiderz, which he misreps throughout. He quotes the part where I talk about OM and SirM being suspects, but he does not actually discuss this part of the post. This development leaves me speechless. I post an adorable stock photo of two siblings laughing at something ridiculous. Sir Mister follows up on my request for input on the rest of the playerlist, but it's more active filler. He gives very few actual opinions on alignments. Still finds the time to rule out partnerships, though.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 19, 2020 10:36:00 GMT
EXHIBIT DAnother short one. UnlynchI have 2 issues with the Spiderz lynch atm 1) I think his last posts were genuine, unsure 2) atp Spiderz is either just town that is really scummy or scum that is getting bussed by partners who realize they can't save him, but imo I think his flip is fine anyway since it gives info (also none of his reads make sense to me I know I'm bad but is it just me...?) A Spiderz scumpflip would give a significant amount of info, yes. What would a Spiderz townflip give us though? Idt this holds up.Anyway I need to figure a couple of things out for the moment, will come back at you in a moment with either relynching Spiderz, or suggesting a CFD onto TBZ.  lynch OM my doula told me this was scum After an eternity, Spidey is finally put at L-1 and I swiftly hammer. Sir Mister tries to unlynch, because he knows Spiderz is town (bolded) and wants to look like a hero. He cannot unlynch, though, because I have already hammered. He is like a scummy Phillip's head screwdriver trying hopelessly to undo my hard work. Day 2 begins. I do not have time to address his poor choice of hardware, as I am too busy drilling OM into the next century.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 19, 2020 10:48:12 GMT
EXHIBIT E4* OM (Schiavetto, Xnadrojx, ForgotToFlush, OM) 1 Fenrir (chapterseven) 1 xnadrojx (bluegummybear) 1 bluegummybear (Sir Mister) 1 Fenrir (Fenrir) 1 eblurb (eblurb) WIth 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch.  4* Fenrir (chapterseven, Fenrir, eblurb, Sir Mister) 3 OM (Schiavetto, Xnadrojx, ForgotToFlush) 1 eblurb (bluegummybear) 1 xnadrojx (OM) Deadline is in 24 hours, or March 13 at 6PM EST. I guess this is the point where I accept my lynch on bgb is in vain. Both OM and Fenrir have 3 votes (although 1 of fen's votes is himself, so realistically OM has 4 votes and Fenrir 2 if fenrir comes back) Fenrir is not scum with either of xnad and chap. OM is is not scum with either of xnad and schia. If OM flips Town, Schia is Mafia. Both of their scumflips would give a lote of info. Fenrir's townflip would be near-useless, OM flipping town would say a lot about Schia. Neither is ideal for me; realistically, OM would be the flip that gives more info to me. However, I'm not sure how much any of you agree with this. If every player pinky promises me to lynch schia if OM flips town, and to never lynch xnad or schia if OM flips scum I'll be happy to lynch him. For now, I'd rather go with my individual read here, as I still tl OM. Unlynch BGB
Lynch Fenrir y'all seeing this?
Like, what? What game are you in broBolded for emphasis.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Mar 19, 2020 11:14:56 GMT
EXHIBIT FYou know, I normally doubt associatives, but like, Fenrir/EBlurb/Me are practically cleared by virtue of OM scumflip right? I have things to say about Fenrir but like, to me he's just an inactive and on top of that, cleaner than other inactives just by looking at wagons and considering scum!OM Vote Sir MisterNow we turn to the other person who was guilty of what I accused OM of. How is Fenrir or blurb clear from that flip? At all? blurb was OM's main defender there. Fenrir chose to let dl go down to majority rather than vote OM. At the same time, OM had like a day to hammer Fenrir, and he chose not to. As Mafia. So... xnad why were you calling them clear by OM'd scumflip again? Also, what I did in that situation was - after trying to lynch Fenrir - shifting in the last 30 seconds. If I didn't do that, maj rules would have struck and a townie would have died 100%. Partially to own surprise, that actually killed Mafia. Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ If you think I'm mafia, you think I'm mafia that impulisvely bussed. In White Flag. Instead of taking a free town death for which everyone would be equally responsible. Cool. Anyway. I promised to reread the entire thread and reform my reads. I lost focus after page 8 or something, so sorry about that. My vote is good on blurb for now. After considering Fenrir's behavior at the end of last day, I'd be glad to shift to him if there's more supporters for that. >If you think I'm mafia, you think i'm mafia that impulsively bussed Not even. You were last on wagon, hell you were almost the last post of the day, and this was the actual post where you lynched him: fine. Unlynch fenrir
Lynch OMThere's nothing about that that reads as impulsive--if anything, it reads as a concession, which is entirely consistent with my read and entirely consistent with my other stated concerns about your slot. Try again. People keep on bringing up the fact that Sir Mister had no reason to hammer OM, but they conveniently ignore everything that built up to it. He spent a great deal of the game arguing that OM v Me (Schia) was T v S--in fact, it's one of the only concrete alignment reads he's given all game. But he went out of his way to avoid actually eliminating either one of us. On Day 2, he exploited the self-lynch activity clause to try and push for Fenrir to be lynched, rather than OM. He only lynched OM after I called him out for that directly. Both Sir Mister and eblurb have misrepresented that hammer on any occasion that it's come up. Sir Mister and eblurb are also the two players whose wagons stalled at a tie yesterday, with zero competition beyond those two. Sir Mister into Eblurb wins this. I'm insistent about this order due to the BGB kill, and if you have any questions about that you can simply read the game.
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Post by gimm1ck on Mar 19, 2020 14:10:19 GMT
 2 Fenrir (Fenrir, Sir Mister) 2* Sir Mister (Forgottoflush, Schiavetto) 1 chapterseven (chapterseven) 1 eblurb (eblurb) 1 XnadrojX (Xnadrojx) |
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Post by Sir Mister on Mar 19, 2020 20:15:29 GMT
Terribly sorry, but I'm not feeling too well atm. Will address things tomorrow.
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Post by Bomb Moss on Mar 20, 2020 1:02:54 GMT
how did we inactivity the previous day
Vote Sir Mister
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Post by Bomb Moss on Mar 20, 2020 1:07:14 GMT
"drilling OM into the next century"
that has got to be the best description ive ever read
but yeah I agree, Sir Mister lynch goes through today. IDK about eblurb, I'll have to look at the associatives later but im not moving off SirM today
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