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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 16:43:52 GMT
Also before I start quoting people I was like to say I am confirm town and I will try to explain the reason why to all of you. we know youre conf town pkq |
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 16:53:06 GMT
I understand how this makes Ayia look terrible, but you also have to remember the biggest suspect of D1 is FJ, so it's somewhat justified, though I'll admit you're fully correct about how he isn't focusing on any other low-activity playets, which is slightly suspicious. I'm interrupting my Litt wall because I thought this interaction is interesting mainly because it involves two of the scummier players in the game rn Can this Arctina response be a response to a known scumpartner? If not, the only way they're both scum is if lieb is traitor and arctina is pure mafia I'd like your thoughts here; I'm kinda neutral and can see it both ways tbh I don't know |
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 16:55:52 GMT
also myo=ddw is in my scumpool quojova. now I am going to study, and sleep, I'll be there for dl and I hope lieb and myo! will be too. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 24, 2020 17:01:18 GMT
I'm interrupting my Litt wall because I thought this interaction is interesting mainly because it involves two of the scummier players in the game rn quojova yashgreninja Schrodinger litteleven Can this Arctina response be a response to a known scumpartner? If not, the only way they're both scum is if lieb is traitor and arctina is pure mafia I'd like your thoughts here; I'm kinda neutral and can see it both ways AFAIK I'm the only player in that list that is seriously suspecting ddw right now, and I think everyone else leaned town on him (not too sure about yash actually). Even I am still not sure exactly where I place ddw rn, although I suspect that his next few posts will clear up my read on him. That being said, I'm not entirely sure what your point is here, the interaction seems pretty close to NAI to me. Can you explain what made you think this could be interpreted as unlikely for a w/w interaction? I think it's a good post to have brought up though. I don't have a point tbh I'm bringing up a post between two currently contentious figures and wondering what you think about that interaction actually qtball scroll up to that post as well since you read arctina pretty strongly here |
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Post by pkq on Jun 24, 2020 17:02:18 GMT
What changes with NK: ignore my scum-lean on narwhal lol, I admit this doesn't make me look great but I am honestly quite surprised. Everything that follows this is prewritten. I think a bus is unlikely from any player that ended up on the trem wagon. Tbz and scept were on the wagon super early, and throughout EoD they continually pushed for a trem chop over pkq and ayia. Hard to see either of these being busses. Litt switched off after pkq’s claim, but I don’t see that being plausible from a mafia perspective. There was 4 minutes left after pkq claimed, which is a small enough a period of time that you could reasonably just be quiet and not change your vote (basically what ddw and yash did actually), hoping for a pkq mischop. I think this line of reasoning applies to ayia and me as well. It doesn’t really make sense for Ayia to be partners with trem either, because he posted a whole case on trem and clearly did not mind trem dying. Even if he preferred pkq, he switched in the end. After going through trem connections I am even more confident this is not a bus. I’m going to try to evaluate myself from a third-person perspective but obviously I know I didn’t bus trem. I initially said “he claimed in the last 4 minutes, no way I'm shifting off” about pkq because I was expecting a maf who knew they were going to die to fakeclaim at the last second, so my reaction was an impulsive kind of confirmation bias. Thankfully I did realize soon enough that shifting off was clearly the play as town due to the risk/reward involved in actually chopping pkq after the claim. I think my play lends itself unlikely for a bus because I was the vote that changed the plur, although I didn’t actually realize that at the time of the switch. Pkq is town and I think discussing this slot further might actually be anti-town so I’m not going to say any more on that. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is the NK tho so this section might be irrelevant. With this I think we have a pretty solid towncore atm. I would like to hear yash and ddw’s side of the story. I think each of them still has a good chance of being town but mysteriously disappearing after the pkq claim and not shifting is exactly the play I would go for if I was maf, opportunistically hoping for a bg kill and to preserve my teammate. Also, what’s going on with yash liking all posts switching to trem immediately after the flip? Not saying it’s necessarily scummy but it is a bit… strange. In terms of other trem connections there were a few but not too many that I could find that weren’t with those that were already on the wagon. He did “gutread” yash as town but he also read me as town for a pretty weak reason so I don’t think it’s very AI. He lynched FJ, and it doesn’t seem like a bus to me, so I’m fairly strongly leaning town on FJ (although traitor is possible I guess). Chad pushed on trem for lurking once but I can’t confidently clear him from that, because no pressure was really applied off of it. Narwhal actually did apply a tiny bit of pressure on trem but he also applied pressure on so many other people in the game with his two wallposts, so I don’t think this clears him either. Narwhal’s last post on trem really pings me, will probably post more about this later but possibly not tonight depending on the time I have. There is no way PKQ is fake claiming because why feel the need to fake claim if PKQ is scum with trem, in a way him dieing would make PKQ counter train look really good the claim wouldn't even be needed. It just be suicide at that point. Ok where to start. If I was scum it makes no sense for me to claim body guard to save my ass over my teammate. I don't know if you guys notice, but trem was acting like he had a pr and didn't want to die. If I was just vt I would have let this rock and accept my death because he was important. In my opinion I thought he was tracker, but he flip mafia. Here is the thing. Traitor is only useful to mafia when all the teammates are still alive. Granted I don't know how exactly white flag traitor works, but I am assuming if all the mafia dies the traitor lose as well. Also traitor even know how is mafia on top of that so why would scum put themselves at a disadvantage like that if I was scum. The fact I am not dead means two things. One scum is really dumb and they just threw in the towel because at this point town won this imo, or scum is trying to go for the crazy mind games. I think the second option is not plausible because if getting your teammate lynch, and not killing confirm town, on top of when traitor is know hurting you is pretty crazy and stupid and that is not mind games; and now people know who to target on who could be scum making the game easier for trackers. Because you are going to need to kill me tonight to even have a chance of winning but trackers are most likely find 1 scum and the rest will be history. Also one final touch, if I was scum I am mostly like traitor, but I should accept the lynch because at least my partner would get town credit and they don't have to worry about the white flag. If I get anything wrong about the traitor mechanic please tell me because I am still a little confuse. Also, for my night action I idle because I was so mad that I was about to die and I saw no point of saving a target because I was a 100 percent certain they was killing me. With that in mind I assume trackers didn't track me so I will be surprise if someone claim they track me. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 24, 2020 17:10:49 GMT
What changes with NK: ignore my scum-lean on narwhal lol, I admit this doesn't make me look great but I am honestly quite surprised. Everything that follows this is prewritten. I think a bus is unlikely from any player that ended up on the trem wagon. Tbz and scept were on the wagon super early, and throughout EoD they continually pushed for a trem chop over pkq and ayia. Hard to see either of these being busses. Litt switched off after pkq’s claim, but I don’t see that being plausible from a mafia perspective. There was 4 minutes left after pkq claimed, which is a small enough a period of time that you could reasonably just be quiet and not change your vote (basically what ddw and yash did actually), hoping for a pkq mischop. I think this line of reasoning applies to ayia and me as well. It doesn’t really make sense for Ayia to be partners with trem either, because he posted a whole case on trem and clearly did not mind trem dying. Even if he preferred pkq, he switched in the end. After going through trem connections I am even more confident this is not a bus. I’m going to try to evaluate myself from a third-person perspective but obviously I know I didn’t bus trem. I initially said “he claimed in the last 4 minutes, no way I'm shifting off” about pkq because I was expecting a maf who knew they were going to die to fakeclaim at the last second, so my reaction was an impulsive kind of confirmation bias. Thankfully I did realize soon enough that shifting off was clearly the play as town due to the risk/reward involved in actually chopping pkq after the claim. I think my play lends itself unlikely for a bus because I was the vote that changed the plur, although I didn’t actually realize that at the time of the switch. Pkq is town and I think discussing this slot further might actually be anti-town so I’m not going to say any more on that. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is the NK tho so this section might be irrelevant. With this I think we have a pretty solid towncore atm. I would like to hear yash and ddw’s side of the story. I think each of them still has a good chance of being town but mysteriously disappearing after the pkq claim and not shifting is exactly the play I would go for if I was maf, opportunistically hoping for a bg kill and to preserve my teammate. Also, what’s going on with yash liking all posts switching to trem immediately after the flip? Not saying it’s necessarily scummy but it is a bit… strange. In terms of other trem connections there were a few but not too many that I could find that weren’t with those that were already on the wagon. He did “gutread” yash as town but he also read me as town for a pretty weak reason so I don’t think it’s very AI. He lynched FJ, and it doesn’t seem like a bus to me, so I’m fairly strongly leaning town on FJ (although traitor is possible I guess). Chad pushed on trem for lurking once but I can’t confidently clear him from that, because no pressure was really applied off of it. Narwhal actually did apply a tiny bit of pressure on trem but he also applied pressure on so many other people in the game with his two wallposts, so I don’t think this clears him either. Narwhal’s last post on trem really pings me, will probably post more about this later but possibly not tonight depending on the time I have. There is no way PKQ is fake claiming because why feel the need to fake claim if PKQ is scum with trem, in a way him dieing would make PKQ counter train look really good the claim wouldn't even be needed. It just be suicide at that point. Ok where to start. If I was scum it makes no sense for me to claim body guard to save my ass over my teammate. I don't know if you guys notice, but trem was acting like he had a pr and didn't want to die. If I was just vt I would have let this rock and accept my death because he was important. In my opinion I thought he was tracker, but he flip mafia. Here is the thing. Traitor is only useful to mafia when all the teammates are still alive. Granted I don't know how exactly white flag traitor works, but I am assuming if all the mafia dies the traitor lose as well. Also traitor even know how is mafia on top of that so why would scum put themselves at a disadvantage like that if I was scum. The fact I am not dead means two things. One scum is really dumb and they just threw in the towel because at this point town won this imo, or scum is trying to go for the crazy mind games. I think the second option is not plausible because if getting your teammate lynch, and not killing confirm town, on top of when traitor is know hurting you is pretty crazy and stupid and that is not mind games; and now people know who to target on who could be scum making the game easier for trackers. Because you are going to need to kill me tonight to even have a chance of winning but trackers are most likely find 1 scum and the rest will be history. Also one final touch, if I was scum I am mostly like traitor, but I should accept the lynch because at least my partner would get town credit and they don't have to worry about the white flag. If I get anything wrong about the traitor mechanic please tell me because I am still a little confuse. Also, for my night action I idle because I was so mad that I was about to die and I saw no point of saving a target because I was a 100 percent certain they was killing me. With that in mind I assume trackers didn't track me so I will be surprise if someone claim they track me. This idle claim is so scummy but I'll let it pass because I still think you are the bg. Either way even if you are somehow scum, while you are alive maf can't really kill the real bg, so there's no way you are today's chop. 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Post by pkq on Jun 24, 2020 17:16:43 GMT
Ok where to start. If I was scum it makes no sense for me to claim body guard to save my ass over my teammate. I don't know if you guys notice, but trem was acting like he had a pr and didn't want to die. If I was just vt I would have let this rock and accept my death because he was important. In my opinion I thought he was tracker, but he flip mafia. Here is the thing. Traitor is only useful to mafia when all the teammates are still alive. Granted I don't know how exactly white flag traitor works, but I am assuming if all the mafia dies the traitor lose as well. Also traitor even know how is mafia on top of that so why would scum put themselves at a disadvantage like that if I was scum. The fact I am not dead means two things. One scum is really dumb and they just threw in the towel because at this point town won this imo, or scum is trying to go for the crazy mind games. I think the second option is not plausible because if getting your teammate lynch, and not killing confirm town, on top of when traitor is know hurting you is pretty crazy and stupid and that is not mind games; and now people know who to target on who could be scum making the game easier for trackers. Because you are going to need to kill me tonight to even have a chance of winning but trackers are most likely find 1 scum and the rest will be history. Also one final touch, if I was scum I am mostly like traitor, but I should accept the lynch because at least my partner would get town credit and they don't have to worry about the white flag. If I get anything wrong about the traitor mechanic please tell me because I am still a little confuse. Also, for my night action I idle because I was so mad that I was about to die and I saw no point of saving a target because I was a 100 percent certain they was killing me. With that in mind I assume trackers didn't track me so I will be surprise if someone claim they track me. This idle claim is so scummy but I'll let it pass because I still think you are the bg. Either way even if you are somehow scum, while you are alive maf can't really kill the real bg, so there's no way you are today's chop. Do you think dragondriftway makes the narwhal kill? This was part of what made me unsure about how to place him because I couldn't really see him doing that. On other hand, I think it's pretty plausible for lieb. I haven't look in so far about who is scum yet. I am doing this from work so things might be a little slow for me. Also, the idle was smart because if I bg a tracker yesterday and they claim today I wouldn't be able to protect them tonight. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 24, 2020 17:18:36 GMT
This idle claim is so scummy but I'll let it pass because I still think you are the bg. Either way even if you are somehow scum, while you are alive maf can't really kill the real bg, so there's no way you are today's chop. Do you think dragondriftway makes the narwhal kill? This was part of what made me unsure about how to place him because I couldn't really see him doing that. On other hand, I think it's pretty plausible for lieb. I haven't look in so far about who is scum yet. I am doing this from work so things might be a little slow for me. Also, the idle was smart because if I bg a tracker yesterday and they claim today I wouldn't be able to protect them tonight. I'm not sure about smart but I guess there was a slight point to it? I'm more surprised that this is my first time hearing about "The Bodyguard cannot target the same person consecutively". Somehow that slipped by me. |
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Post by pkq on Jun 24, 2020 17:20:10 GMT
No one should be townread for switching onto Trem, period Trem was in the grave one scum shifting did not do anything in the long run, Trem ended ahead by 3 lynches The on-off-on thing was in reference to Litt shifting on and off of PKQ seemingly reasonlessly (also threatening to lynch me for like,,, no reason) Trem ended ahead by 3 lynches, but it wasn't clear AT ALL that people were actually going to shift in time, ESPECIALLY because I started by loudly proclaiming that I was not going to shift. Being ahead by 3 lynches actually only means you need 2 people to shift to change the plur. All three shifts that happened took place in the last 2 MINUTES of the day, so it would have been very reasonable to think that by staying on pkq you could keep the plur. Having a mafia goon die this early really, really hurts maf, even more so when it's instead of a bg, do you really think mafia would be that open to switching immediately when the option to keep your partner alive is so tantalizing? I also want to applaud you because you really broke things down during this game that I wanted to. At worst you are traitor to me, but I doubt it. I might sheep you if I still unclear who to lynch. |
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Post by pkq on Jun 24, 2020 17:21:02 GMT
I haven't look in so far about who is scum yet. I am doing this from work so things might be a little slow for me. Also, the idle was smart because if I bg a tracker yesterday and they claim today I wouldn't be able to protect them tonight. I'm not sure about smart but I guess there was a slight point to it? I'm more surprised that this is my first time hearing about "The Bodyguard cannot target the same person consecutively". Somehow that slipped by me. I think to make the game more exciting |
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Post by ayia on Jun 24, 2020 17:22:56 GMT
I'm not sure about smart but I guess there was a slight point to it? I'm more surprised that this is my first time hearing about "The Bodyguard cannot target the same person consecutively". Somehow that slipped by me. I think to make the game more exciting to make the game more like eimm tbh :^ |
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Post by qtball on Jun 24, 2020 18:55:52 GMT
Ngl have not made a read on lieb I’ll go look through their posts in a sec
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Post by litteleven on Jun 24, 2020 19:28:33 GMT
I mean, if it's their reads its their reads? I can see how they are basically mostly universal, but I don't see anything wrong with that in this case. I agree with all of the reads here. Yes but universal reads are upsetting for two reasons 1. I asked for their reads so I can get a read on them. Universal townreads are bland so they give me nothing from that perspective 2. It doesn't bring anything new to the table at all; no contention, no juice If you agree on most of the reads, it's only simpler to lock the game down earlier i.e if said reads are truly universal, this game is effectively over through resolution. I understand the frustration but in a game where most of the people ring town to a major degree, it means either the game ends earlier or there's a big problem with the game state itself. I'd understand if it was Day 5 and town hasn't made any progress, but this is D2 after a scum lynch d1 and a (relatively) bad mafia kill, and applying overthought reads is potentially damaging. I'm interrupting my Litt wall because I thought this interaction is interesting mainly because it involves two of the scummier players in the game rn Can this Arctina response be a response to a known scumpartner? If not, the only way they're both scum is if lieb is traitor and arctina is pure mafia I'd like your thoughts here; I'm kinda neutral and can see it both ways Leaning yes to 'This CAN be a scum-scum conversation' because both the read made and the value addition are anti-arc lynch at the time, would be a way to dig oneself out of the cycle. (still say it's NAI because it's also entirely possible the premise is town-town or town-scum and operates under a different line of thought). The principle should still be to lynch the scummier person of the two before analysing the relationship though, but it's a good bookmark if one of them does flip scum because the less a person (lieb) speaks the more likely their statements have meaning behind them and hence the easier it is to interpret as a game developing action.AFAIK I'm the only player in that list that is seriously suspecting ddw right now, and I think everyone else leaned town on him (not too sure about yash actually). Even I am still not sure exactly where I place ddw rn, although I suspect that his next few posts will clear up my read on him. That being said, I'm not entirely sure what your point is here, the interaction seems pretty close to NAI to me. Can you explain what made you think this could be interpreted as unlikely for a w/w interaction? I think it's a good post to have brought up though. Re: the DD read, I think there's a valid number of people who SR them but it's more logical to filter out and lynch people who fit a more universal scum position through their actions at the moment, more rather than risk mislynch > pl splitting; atleast to me. |
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Post by bluegummybear on Jun 24, 2020 19:53:24 GMT
Your Favorite Townie has returned
heyo people
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Post by lieb on Jun 24, 2020 20:10:17 GMT
hey i would just l ike to say that u guys r pushing me for my lack of activity but this is literally my first forum game so idk how to participate what everything is saying is kinda hard to just get sorted through my head regardless, looks like i'm being lynched so bye, I stand by the fact tremenon felt like genuine and idc if that's your reason to push me, honestly quojava / ayia really come off as ingenuine regardless of how the ayia wagon ended up, so please I beg you when I'm lynched take a careful read on the two of them cause I'm pretty sure one if not both of them are scum good luck  I'm not gonna bother pouring my heart and soul into this when it looks like im being lynched regardless |
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Post by lieb on Jun 24, 2020 20:11:15 GMT
one thing id like to mention also is that litt sorta tred me d1 and then suddenly started fos'ing me and decided to vote me, litt, quo, and ayia is my scumpool
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Post by lieb on Jun 24, 2020 20:12:11 GMT
lifesucc chad tbz and star are town regardless their reads come off the most genuine, followed by yash in next most townie im pretty null on zol and idk what slot bgb subbed into they had a good start ig
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 20:17:21 GMT
hey i would just l ike to say that u guys r pushing me for my lack of activity but this is literally my first forum game so idk how to participate what everything is saying is kinda hard to just get sorted through my head regardless, looks like i'm being lynched so bye, I stand by the fact tremenon felt like genuine and idc if that's your reason to push me, honestly quojava / ayia really come off as ingenuine regardless of how the ayia wagon ended up, so please I beg you when I'm lynched take a careful read on the two of them cause I'm pretty sure one if not both of them are scum good luck I'm not gonna bother pouring my heart and soul into this when it looks like im being lynched regardless its less of a lack of activity but more of, no offense, bad reasoning/tunneling, this whole game. and also idk how you felt trem reaction to be genuine, it was really scummy to me. |
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Post by lieb on Jun 24, 2020 20:18:43 GMT
hey i would just l ike to say that u guys r pushing me for my lack of activity but this is literally my first forum game so idk how to participate what everything is saying is kinda hard to just get sorted through my head regardless, looks like i'm being lynched so bye, I stand by the fact tremenon felt like genuine and idc if that's your reason to push me, honestly quojava / ayia really come off as ingenuine regardless of how the ayia wagon ended up, so please I beg you when I'm lynched take a careful read on the two of them cause I'm pretty sure one if not both of them are scum good luck I'm not gonna bother pouring my heart and soul into this when it looks like im being lynched regardless its less of a lack of activity but more of, no offense, bad reasoning/tunneling, this whole game. and also idk how you felt trem reaction to be genuine, it was really scummy to me. idc if im tunneling im tunneling mafia and that's what matters |
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 20:22:20 GMT
its less of a lack of activity but more of, no offense, bad reasoning/tunneling, this whole game. and also idk how you felt trem reaction to be genuine, it was really scummy to me. idc if im tunneling im tunneling mafia and that's what matters yo I like this guy, but I'll stay soz |
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Post by lieb on Jun 24, 2020 20:22:48 GMT
also tremenon felt a lot more laid back than everyone else, hence I tr'd him because I genuinely feel like this is supposed to be fun and u guys are being super tense and taking it uber seriously and it is for that reason that I TR'd him, I assumed he had a similar mentality to myself. Ig that might also be the reason u voted him yday and me today, regardless sometimes the person who isn't as vocal doesn't mean they r mafia maybe its bc they are unfamiliar to the format of this type of game. I feel like no one really is taking that into account besides star, and I think the super vocal pressure from quojava is really just getting on my nerves regardless making me less inclined to respond. Regardless, best of luck to u all I'll do this just to make a statement
Unvote, Lynch quojava
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 20:25:04 GMT
wow I sr you a lot less than before, but at this point I would like to see what you flip.
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Post by qtball on Jun 24, 2020 20:25:52 GMT
*buries head in lap and shakes vigorously*
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Post by qtball on Jun 24, 2020 20:26:15 GMT
I would love if people reread my argument against myo and took lynching her into consideration ayia |
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Post by ayia on Jun 24, 2020 20:32:35 GMT
I would love if people reread my argument against myo and took lynching her into consideration ayia ok Unlynch, lynch Myo |
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I'm not gonna bother pouring my heart and soul into this when it looks like im being lynched regardless