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Post by chaostrodon on Oct 22, 2020 17:44:59 GMT
combined doc + rolestopper + tracker seems pretty OP . Is it one-shot?
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Post by smallworldz on Oct 22, 2020 17:46:56 GMT
yes chaos it is one shot
see:ptsd's post
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Post by smallworldz on Oct 22, 2020 17:49:51 GMT
also:vote blurb
nothing changed~
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Post by smallworldz on Oct 22, 2020 17:55:36 GMT
btw since the argument about how i should've still roleblocked blurb since he might have a secondary scum action will come up sooner or later;I'd prefer to stop the kill and also help solidify reads
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Post by chaostrodon on Oct 22, 2020 17:58:54 GMT
What do people think of litt eagerly going back on his small TR?
This is bad
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Post by spiderz on Oct 22, 2020 18:05:32 GMT
combined doc + rolestopper + tracker seems pretty OP . Is it one-shot? he said joat so i assume so |
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Post by spiderz on Oct 22, 2020 18:06:13 GMT
one thing though, if small was rolestopped how the fuck did ptsd track them, or am I missing something
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Post by spiderz on Oct 22, 2020 18:08:04 GMT
ignore the last 2 posts I misunderstood what went down
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Post by spiderz on Oct 22, 2020 18:09:04 GMT
yeah ok wait I have to re read on a bunch of shit, LOL, my brained 0'd out on those PTSD posts give me a lil more time.
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Post by Gary The Savage on Oct 22, 2020 18:21:02 GMT
>bruh what. who the hell would fearkill you when OM and fenrir are in the game? why do you even think you'd be a kill target What this mean? Why would OM or Fenrir be a priority? They didnt claim anything It means OM and fenrir are much more common/likely fearkill targets lmao |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 22, 2020 19:32:49 GMT
I'm in the process of catching up now. From a pure mechanics standpoint, small is a good vote. I'm not the host, so presumably the game is balanced and it's unlikely we have two town roleblockers. While my dislike of Pass's Day 1 remains, I'm also in agreement that the way they've handled their claim is more likely to come from town. Additionally from a mechanical standpoint, if Pass is confirming that small targeted OM, but OM is saying he wasn't blocked, that implies that small targeted OM with something that's not a roleblock. smallworldz you brought up the idea that you could've been fearkilled. With no offense intended, what have you done, during either Day 1 or now, that would incline scum to kill you over a more active slot? Alexander and Abdel aren't playing. Your list of reads was very surface-level and received negative attention overall, so regardless of its accuracy that wouldn't make you a priority killing target. |
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Post by OM~! on Oct 22, 2020 19:35:16 GMT
I'm in the process of catching up now. From a pure mechanics standpoint, small is a good vote. I'm not the host, so presumably the game is balanced and it's unlikely we have two town roleblockers. While my dislike of Pass's Day 1 remains, I'm also in agreement that the way they've handled their claim is more likely to come from town. Additionally from a mechanical standpoint, if Pass is confirming that small targeted OM, but OM is saying he wasn't blocked, that implies that small targeted OM with something that's not a roleblock. smallworldz you brought up the idea that you could've been fearkilled. With no offense intended, what have you done, during either Day 1 or now, that would incline scum to kill you over a more active slot? Alexander and Abdel aren't playing. Your list of reads was very surface-level and received negative attention overall, so regardless of its accuracy that wouldn't make you a priority killing target. I said I was blocked Please expect a full recap and my thoughts sometime midmorning tomorrow. |
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Post by spiderz on Oct 22, 2020 19:51:55 GMT
I don't like that there was no kills last night though, based on small's claim, OM is kinda sus right now... I'm assuming you mean from a mechanical perspective otherwise this would be  , it might be possible scum are alien, but I doubt because usually scum have busted roles to compensate for lack of killing power which is like we are playing u-pick and i think having disruptive roles like jailkeepers are a lot more likely. Fenrir seems to be thinking from a town perspective , obviously that can be faked but Im townleaning him for now Spiderz has some pretty good townie takes and the way he pointed out ddlc fan's tone being natural albeit not useful makes me townlean both of them I have explained why small is town and how litt is doing terrible if scum Penguin D is a universal tr, I am not able to be so sure of that myself but Ill respect the others reads. If we give PTSD the benefit of the doubt about his claim that leaves Gary , OM and blurb by POE. Now OM has had some good takes and has actually convinced town that I am town , which is nice of him . But notably he lynched both Gary and blurb and they both didnt respond from what Im seeing( I may have missed their responses , pls point them to me in that case) Gary hasnt done anything scummy but nothing townie either. And of course , blurb is being blurb In summation , I think blurb , Gary and OM maybe the scum team. This is asking a lot but can you do a re-evaluation of Litt, Peng, Small, and Gary, just let me know what post you think are AI, you can multiquote by clicking gear icon and pressing select on all the posts you want to quote, and when your done instead of click quick reply, click full reply, since ik ur struggling with the quote shits Sobbing, poison means they will die by the end of the day anyways Also do you mean PTSD Claiming? They were a huge EoD SR so I don't think its that towny to claim atp Lynch Chaostrodron zzzz i'd appreciate this game being not dead throwing out multiple red flags here, what's the double take on this slot, also feels like you're diminishing the weight of the ptsd claim to create doubt + this lynch feels like a poe forced one by scum, multiple better slots to lynch but I don't think you can lynch them since you have additional info on who's scum. lynch derzThis is quite a fucking assumption, why are you blocking out any other type of possibility from a role infested game like this, not only that this reaction is so defensive, the reach on this one is insane, noting how hard you are defending Terri, I don't wanna deflect but i'm not stating my reasonings for this lynch just yet, moving on going back to yesterday when I called Litt out in dramatically less aggressive tone-shift when I called them out, I see this as a pre-emptive reaction, like "Spiderz called me out for being less aggressive, I should immediately be aggressive to prove him wrong" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, and not only that "you're diminishing the weight of the ptsd claim to create doubt" even though I like completely misunderstood what was going on with PTSD's claim what you've said here is a head turner, I don't know why you auto assume this, my point still stands abt PTSD needing to get traction off him, as he was a major SR, he had overnight to think about it. Creating Doubt seems like something you put in their for the sake of making this posts more aggressive, like buzzword!!!!Must be bad!!! Why do you think creating doubt can only come from scum zzz, I just doubt this can be too hard of a TR based on this based on the claim, coming into the day acting like an enthusiastic PR with something of substance can be easily faked to show clearcut read progression and its things that i've done as scum aswell. Unlynch Terri, Lynch Litt I'm even more confident that this is scum now Okay my point here is this. Small claimed roleblocker. Cyan literally flipped alternating roleblocker and rolestopper as town. PTSD wouldn't out their role like that as scum, whether it is just for flavor or not. I believe them when they say that they had OS doc, something else, and OS Rolestopper. Why would he claim, comfirm small's target and out his whole role as scum. My point on lynching small is this. Do we really fucking think there are 3 town roles with roleblocker/rolestopper in them? The most notable here is Cyan, who flipped alternate night roleblocker/rolestopper and then small has claimed all night roleblocker. I doubt there are several of these being town. "PTSD wouldn't out their role like that as scum, whether it is just for flavor or not. I believe them when they say that they had OS doc, something else, and OS Rolestopper. Why would he claim, comfirm small's target and out his whole role as scum." Can we really think on why scum would fake claim guys. Also stop grouping Roleblocker and Rolestopper, I do understand what you mean, and i totally get why you think it, but mechanically they are totally different, and one of them was OS too. Gary lynching small over OM is interesting You got any reason to townread OM , @gary So to answer your question here, although I did say yesterday reasons why I townleaned OM. My focus isn't on OM it's on small for the claim. I doubt the existence of 3 town roleblockers/stoppers here. At the moment, I don't care what OM is, unless he claims roleblocker or rolestopper in his role. Short story short my focus here isn't on small's target its on the claim itself. I'd like if you pulled up shit from yday for your full casing, going by "I doubt the existence" isn't solid enough, that's like a day 1 lynch reason. |
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Post by spiderz on Oct 22, 2020 19:52:23 GMT
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blurb
Innocent Child
ball so hard
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Post by blurb on Oct 22, 2020 21:18:44 GMT
After reading isos, I have arrived to case Penguin D. 1. All his posts are somewhat one liners and don't further the game in my opinion Yes I understand this is a bunch of iioa, but its all I have currently Pretty much admits he isn't contributing, but I feel like he must have something to add (if all he has is IIoA then he has nothing). small note: Unsure why gts v pd momentum died when penguin did not do anything imo to seem more townie. 2. His push (on me lol) I felt was weak + hypocritical. Someone who doesn’t pay attention to the game I feel is a WAY better lynch compared to someone who’s put their thoughts out there multiple times. This is why I’d much rather a blurb lynch here. I'd just say this is factually incorrect and activity =/= town, but that argument is obv biased from my POV. When he said this, I feel like he'd also done nothing besides providing one liners, RVSing Gary, then retracting it after "generating interactions." He adds to this later by saying it's d1, which would also be why lynching a lurker would not be the move. About the small lynch - I think I will hop on after a bit. I'd have to agree with Fen about the fearkill and about setup/there being 2 blockers, while small seems to just be spewing tbh. It's off how he claimed nonchalantly and didn't try to soft push OM when he shouldn't be 100% sure about OM scum anyway. + his defense of his actions make no sense, which Gary also talked about. Don't feel like anyone has been townie today except fen, since I don't know how genuine Gary's push is. Clarification from before: I called Chap townie when he wasn't in the game. Turns out I mixed him up with OM so I actually tr OM lmao |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 22, 2020 21:25:12 GMT
My bad, got distracted. My feel's that your vanity pushes on smallworldz/ptsd at eod was a v scum thing to do mechanically but i vibed with both those reads at eod even if I didn't want to shift off, I think both were town intentioned so i'll maintain my prior unstated TR here. What's your thoughts on both claims that happened here given they're both from eod SRs, and would you mind reverse reading me/derz (feel free to delay your answer till the other read comes out)? My thoughts on the claims are above, I'll also add that it's extremely unlikely that (A) small got targeted by a role that says they were poisoned and (B) an actual poisoner also exists and targeted small, so the concerns people have that small is legit poisoned despite Pass saying otherwise are slight ? energy. I still currently have you as a townread; when I was doing my catchup Day 1 I found your thoughts mirroring mine as I went through and I liked your justification for your preliminary townreads. Spiderz's Day 1 claim aside, I can't bring myself to make a townread on him. I don't think he's done anything outside of his potential range as scum so far. I was almost certain he had a comment earlier where he refused to read me, which is why I was trying to push him to do so, but on readback I can't find that line. In the process of searching for it though, I was put off by how Spiderz's read on myself has progressed. I for one am a massive fan of voting Spiderz cause "why not" 'Tis up to you what you find sus, but I personally don't think there's anything too out of the ordinary in that line. We're only a few posts in and there's not a ton of content, so we're still in that RVS-y stage where people making jokes like that isn't super major imo. I like this post, explains it from a diff angle I read it but also completely true Initial comment on me, at the time I didn't have much content so this comment doesn't bother me heavily. (Bottom of page 7, collapsing this to reduce wall size) I forgot about DDLC scumreading litt out of nowhere ngl, and cyan too, im actually thinking ddlc is probably scum here, my issue though is that his posts come off very natural to me so unless scum partner is directing what to say im hesitant for town to push this just yet, I also like your casing on PTSD (wrt to like the actual case). This could all be forced from fenrir though so I don't TR them This may be the post I was thinking of that made me want to pressure Spiderz into making a read on me. I can't potentially call Spiderz a townread until he's been pushed out of his comfort zone, and I think the reluctance to commit to a read on me here is potentially holding back for the sake of making the safe move. Following this came EoD, with Spiderz advocating for the Cyan vote. I didn't agree with the case and asked Spiderz to try and sell me on it, and still wasn't convinced. A few minutes from EoD it culminates in this exchange: 4 more minutes while a lotta people here is unfortunate if @cyantalon flips scum then FOS on fenrir 4 more minutes while a lotta people here is unfortunate if @cyantalon flips scum then FOS on fenrir I think you know this isn't a good FoS  Re: your above ISO of Cyan, I'm still not vibing because all of the more passive things you quoted come from an early enough point in the game where I wouldn't expect any kind of strong stances. But that's DL. fos probably wrong word but w/e final reads of the night is my tr turned too a TL for OM and a TL on Fen and I still have SR's on Litt and obv cyan, also SL on ddlc for reasons ill go in depth tommorow Which is yet another moment that makes me hesitant but still not confident enough to pursue the read. I haven't read his most recent long post, but right now I want him to commit one way or the other, regardless of how strong that commitment may turn out to be. |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 22, 2020 21:33:59 GMT
I said I was blocked Please expect a full recap and my thoughts sometime midmorning tomorrow. My bad x2 Vote: smallworldz This currently puts small at two votes from hammer (if I counted correctly). I've also got stuff I want to say about ddlc, so that's incoming. |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 22, 2020 21:39:30 GMT
Fenrir seems to be thinking from a town perspective , obviously that can be faked but Im townleaning him for now Spiderz has some pretty good townie takes and the way he pointed out ddlc fan's tone being natural albeit not useful makes me townlean both of them I have explained why small is town and how litt is doing terrible if scum Penguin D is a universal tr, I am not able to be so sure of that myself but Ill respect the others reads. If we give PTSD the benefit of the doubt about his claim that leaves Gary , OM and blurb by POE. Now OM has had some good takes and has actually convinced town that I am town , which is nice of him . But notably he lynched both Gary and blurb and they both didnt respond from what Im seeing( I may have missed their responses , pls point them to me in that case) Gary hasnt done anything scummy but nothing townie either. And of course , blurb is being blurb In summation , I think blurb , Gary and OM maybe the scum team. Had this post open for a while. Don't remember why, but the way you arrived at this conclusion doesn't seem to hold up, especially since, as you noted, it implies that OM is attempting to bus both of his teammates from the start and by your own admission here you feel Gary hasn't done anything scummy and that OM's had good takes. We're lacking in scum flips currently, so searching for associative reads is still something of a trap. Is there anyone whose behavior you think is scummy independent of potential partner-based interactions with people? |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 22, 2020 22:15:11 GMT
I almost want to vote ddlc here. Also derz lynch was just for shits and giggles I prob scum read cyan or litt but will wait before I make my lynch Ddlc doesn't have any posts containing content until here. Granted, they're low-activity up to this point, but the scumreads on Cyan and Litten don't get explanation. Well I think I have to start playing the game now and stop shitposting. I refuse to find quotes cuz I am an American who never learned how to read but I think that if we are not going to at least consider Litt to be scum (which I think is dangerous but nothing I can do about that) I think cyan is good Lynch def better then Gary. Gary has been helpful and I like that his posts are not massive like others. I will be unlynch, Lynch cyan talon because he is also dangerous, also agree that chaos is tr and so is spiderz even though he was my rvs. I promise I will start to read more of ya'll stuff but can you do a better job at condensing your stuff please and thank you. I somewhat dissected this post yesterday, but to reiterate: there's no indication on why ddlc thinks it's dangerous to let Litt or Cyan live, and he doesn't seem that torn up over people not considering Litt as a vote (which also wasn't the case). So far today ddlc hasn't done anything to push attention in Litt's direction, which undercuts the sense of urgency. I also mentioned not liking the phrase "even though he was my rvs" in regards to Spiderz; it feels like a very self-conscious add-on. Ddlc responded to my concern regarding his Litt read later saying he felt that Litt was "controlling the conversation", which isn't in my opinion justification for a scumread but also not something I see as alignment-indicative for the purpose of my read on ddlc. Ok I will say my last post before end of day. I get the AtE part of your argument and will stop it I promise. But how does me saying I will play the game correct considered shallow. If anything you should be grateful that I am trying but since you are scum you just used it as a way to stir the pot. I will be taking shower now and will leave the rest in towns hands but we should get sun and blurb should not die just cuz inactive. Also why has spiderz not lynched? I get blurb not lynching because anything he says would put target on his back but spiderz you have no reason not to vote. I also mentioned not liking this post and can go into more detail with it now that there's time. I think the first part is very disproportionately defensive and somewhat fake given he's telling Cyan (who his vote's on) to be "grateful that [he is] trying." The question towards Spiderz not voting is more an indicator that ddlc hasn't been reading in full, which isn't alignment-indicative and which they acknowledged was the case. But the last line puts words in eblurb's mouth and makes an assumption that goes beyond what I think someone could assume given what's in the thread. (I'm aiming to stay away from associative reads, but this pushes me heavily towards that train of thought.) The usual town response here isn't to excuse eblurb for not voting because "it would put a target on his back." So far today ddlc's content has been low and his only content has been commentary on the "poison" message. I'm slightly torn here now because I feel like small is the correct vote from a purely mechanical standpoint, but I feel more confident in ddlc flipping scum. I've got certain associative reads turning in my head now cause of this, might share them. For the time being I can comfortably rest on small. |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Oct 22, 2020 23:51:52 GMT
Sorry I haven’t had much time to catch up. As far as I know poison does nothing, and I doctored them tracked them and rolestoped them, I will say the fact that they roleblocked OM does seem very weird to me, as they never stated a scumread at all on OM and it seems counter intuitive to roleblock a town slot in your mind, over a scumread.
If Small flips scum I’ll be included to believe that Litt could be town, but I could also see Small buddying a scum partner in their read lists, I think that’ll be more to look into after a later date.
I can’t pull it up at that moment, but I didn’t like the cyan wagon opposed to t eblurb wagon, I don’t see what cyan did that him a better lynch than Eblurb.
I would love some thoughts on the Gary slot as that slot is slowly worsening for me.
Any other input or questions would be appreciated but not necessary if I get the time I’ll read Day 2 in depth.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Oct 22, 2020 23:55:27 GMT
For clarification-
After my role rolestops ( prevents any other role from working on them) Doctors and tracks them, the host announces start of day that the player has been poisoned, I asked if the poisoned player dies and I was informed that that doesn’t happen.
So I am to believe that the poison thing is purely flavor that could be used as bait.
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Post by Gary The Savage on Oct 23, 2020 0:00:35 GMT
Sorry I haven’t had much time to catch up. As far as I know poison does nothing, and I doctored them tracked them and rolestoped them, I will say the fact that they roleblocked OM does seem very weird to me, as they never stated a scumread at all on OM and it seems counter intuitive to roleblock a town slot in your mind, over a scumread. If Small flips scum I’ll be included to believe that Litt could be town, but I could also see Small buddying a scum partner in their read lists, I think that’ll be more to look into after a later date. I can’t pull it up at that moment, but I didn’t like the cyan wagon opposed to t eblurb wagon, I don’t see what cyan did that him a better lynch than Eblurb. I would love some thoughts on the Gary slot as that slot is slowly worsening for me. Any other input or questions would be appreciated but not necessary if I get the time I’ll read Day 2 in depth. I would love your thoughts on the Gary slot as to why it's slowly worsening for you |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Oct 23, 2020 0:08:52 GMT
I'd prefer the small lynch here, as I don't see him being targetted by a kill, and why would he roleblock OM, if he flips town I'll be damned. The attention (depending on what happens at night) likely turnd to OM for being roleblocked, and myself at this rate.
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Post by spiderz on Oct 23, 2020 1:01:47 GMT
My bad, got distracted. My feel's that your vanity pushes on smallworldz/ptsd at eod was a v scum thing to do mechanically but i vibed with both those reads at eod even if I didn't want to shift off, I think both were town intentioned so i'll maintain my prior unstated TR here. What's your thoughts on both claims that happened here given they're both from eod SRs, and would you mind reverse reading me/derz (feel free to delay your answer till the other read comes out)? My thoughts on the claims are above, I'll also add that it's extremely unlikely that (A) small got targeted by a role that says they were poisoned and (B) an actual poisoner also exists and targeted small, so the concerns people have that small is legit poisoned despite Pass saying otherwise are slight ? energy. I still currently have you as a townread; when I was doing my catchup Day 1 I found your thoughts mirroring mine as I went through and I liked your justification for your preliminary townreads. Spiderz's Day 1 claim aside, I can't bring myself to make a townread on him. I don't think he's done anything outside of his potential range as scum so far. I was almost certain he had a comment earlier where he refused to read me, which is why I was trying to push him to do so, but on readback I can't find that line. In the process of searching for it though, I was put off by how Spiderz's read on myself has progressed. I like this post, explains it from a diff angle I read it but also completely true Initial comment on me, at the time I didn't have much content so this comment doesn't bother me heavily. I forgot about DDLC scumreading litt out of nowhere ngl, and cyan too, im actually thinking ddlc is probably scum here, my issue though is that his posts come off very natural to me so unless scum partner is directing what to say im hesitant for town to push this just yet, I also like your casing on PTSD (wrt to like the actual case). This could all be forced from fenrir though so I don't TR them This may be the post I was thinking of that made me want to pressure Spiderz into making a read on me. I can't potentially call Spiderz a townread until he's been pushed out of his comfort zone, and I think the reluctance to commit to a read on me here is potentially holding back for the sake of making the safe move. Following this came EoD, with Spiderz advocating for the Cyan vote. I didn't agree with the case and asked Spiderz to try and sell me on it, and still wasn't convinced. A few minutes from EoD it culminates in this exchange: 4 more minutes while a lotta people here is unfortunate if @cyantalon flips scum then FOS on fenrir I think you know this isn't a good FoS Re: your above ISO of Cyan, I'm still not vibing because all of the more passive things you quoted come from an early enough point in the game where I wouldn't expect any kind of strong stances. But that's DL. fos probably wrong word but w/e final reads of the night is my tr turned too a TL for OM and a TL on Fen and I still have SR's on Litt and obv cyan, also SL on ddlc for reasons ill go in depth tommorow Which is yet another moment that makes me hesitant but still not confident enough to pursue the read. I haven't read his most recent long post, but right now I want him to commit one way or the other, regardless of how strong that commitment may turn out to be. honest to god, ive just been feeling very lazy that i dont want read back on shit atm, ill do it tommorow tho for sure |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Oct 23, 2020 1:16:44 GMT
Sorry I haven’t had much time to catch up. As far as I know poison does nothing, and I doctored them tracked them and rolestoped them, I will say the fact that they roleblocked OM does seem very weird to me, as they never stated a scumread at all on OM and it seems counter intuitive to roleblock a town slot in your mind, over a scumread. If Small flips scum I’ll be included to believe that Litt could be town, but I could also see Small buddying a scum partner in their read lists, I think that’ll be more to look into after a later date. I can’t pull it up at that moment, but I didn’t like the cyan wagon opposed to t eblurb wagon, I don’t see what cyan did that him a better lynch than Eblurb. I would love some thoughts on the Gary slot as that slot is slowly worsening for me. Any other input or questions would be appreciated but not necessary if I get the time I’ll read Day 2 in depth. I would love your thoughts on the Gary slot as to why it's slowly worsening for you I get that it’s kind of been what most people have been doing, but your entire day 2 iso is the word ‘roleblocker’ I very much think small is scum here, but you are only focusing on the small slot and hammering in the fact that I’m town. I haven’t read enough with interactions to see much off with you besides a lot of filler D1, but I haven’t seen any broad reads or ideas from you and you seem to be playing it far too safe. If you have any divisive reads or thoughts I’d love to hear them, but I’ll I’ve seen from you today is ‘Small bad,PTSD town.’ This goes for everyone not Gary, I think it’s way past time of discussing mechanics, no one is confirmed anything as this is basically a CS let’s try and read people first and gamesolve second, not the other way around. |
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, it might be possible scum are alien, but I doubt because usually scum have busted roles to compensate for lack of killing power which is like we are playing u-pick and i think having disruptive roles like jailkeepers are a lot more likely. 
