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Post by OM~! on Oct 20, 2020 14:39:14 GMT
Cyan claim rfn
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Post by Schrodinger on Oct 20, 2020 14:59:12 GMT
VOTECOUNT 1.3
4* Cyan: Litt, small, ddlc, OM
3 blurb: Cyan,Penguin, Gary
1 PTSD: Fenrir
1 Fenrir: Chaos
1 small: PTSD
Not Voting: blurb, spiderz
If the day were to end right now, cyan would be lynched. With 12 total players, it would take 7 votes to hammer.
Deadline: 12 noon est October 20, thus 1 Hour from now
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 15:11:22 GMT
Present(TM)
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 15:19:30 GMT
I've checked out Cyan's ISO and I don't really vibe with the idea that they've been passive. The only thing I take issue with is that they've decided that voting eblurb is the hill they want to die on when eblurb is imo a LHF vote that leaves us with little to analyze.
I'll be reliably present for the hour to EoD. Currently not switching.
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 15:23:57 GMT
I've been waiting on fen's homework so i will just respond to all questions asked. Why not the question I asked immediately after saying I could give you homework  |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 15:31:48 GMT
?, flawed? People can read banter. Don't discredit the read because it is based on banter. It's you always attempting to act like you are helping town by IIoA, trying to give very basic forum advice, basically restating what others are saying in their post when you "agree" with them. The issue with all of this is that you are bringing nothing to the table from you yourself but it goes unoticed by town (and it very much did in the early part of this day) because that is the whole point of it, it's trying to act town while contributing nothing to the table. And any analysis you do have is very weak and because all of it is just reading the surface of posts and not actually going in depth, it is only after I called you out on it. And again this is a common reoccurrence in your scum play if you look back on one of your past forum scum games or especially in chat mafia. And again this is a stupid discredit, just because you were bantering does not mean it can't be Alignment Indicative. Yeah, I don't vibe with this case though. Cyan's had content beyond giving basic advice, which is something that in itself isn't a scumtell unless perhaps that makes up most of someone's content. I also think their interactions with Litt, including the one in the post you quoted, go beyond the surface level, so you're gonna have to sell me on this case and/or give me a quick rundown of the past games you're referring to if you happen to arrive in the next 30 minutes. |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 15:34:34 GMT
Might move to small for the sake of providing a third option if no one shows up willing to move onto Pass. (Currently also checking out Pass's most recent post.)
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 15:35:45 GMT
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Post by spiderz on Oct 20, 2020 15:37:11 GMT
they've responded to a prod, litt. they're clearly here and trying to be - your argument that blurb "shouldn't be voted off because he'll get subbed" doesn't hold. granted, ddlcfan is a fine lynch too but I'm kinda stuck for blatantly obvious reasons also you're missing out on gary's reason for shifting, being that he townreads me. it's not a matter of "he's lurking", it's a combination of reasons ranging from "he's not being active enough" to "cyan shouldn't die here" and you can't just represent the entire wagon with a single blanket statement. you should be aware of this I wasn't questioning the read directly, it just felt like you were able to pull an alignment read out of very little information to work with. If chaostrodon was obviously town from those four posts, this discussion would be much more one-sided. I questioned your process of forming the read, not because I thought chaostrodon was lockscum beyond all means, but because I didn't understand how you came to that conclusion. Needless to say, I didn't get that constructive feel from his reaction and honestly still can't find it now. Mind showing exactly which press you made and which reaction he gave? haha pingfail that said, i am indeed self-preserving for lack of a choice right now, but i voiced concerns about blurb's slot that have yet to be addressed sufficiently, either by him or by anyone. I don't see how, even if blurb were to be town, that he would be more beneficial left alive for everyone than if I were - his lack of activity is concerning especially because he's typically a vocal and actively engaged player. See his recent post, which was geared more towards forming responses to questions than any actual read to push or stand by. So, yes. I want eblurb lynched here because I don't see why I (or anyone else barring silent-passive slots like ddlcfan69 and smallworldz, and even then i'd rather get blurb) should take the fall in favour of his slot. That said, your stance on eblurb is very unclear here; either you ultra-scumread me, which is a bit awkward given the basis being something quite minor even by Cyan standards, or you definitely want him alive for reasons you are not divulging. I want your explicitly and earnestly expressed opinion on the eblurb lynch, because it just feels like you're very hard against it without giving sufficient enough of a push why. spiderz has a better (albeit flawed and based off of banter) reason to be lynching me fam ?, flawed? People can read banter. Don't discredit the read because it is based on banter. It's you always attempting to act like you are helping town by IIoA, trying to give very basic forum advice, basically restating what others are saying in their post when you "agree" with them. The issue with all of this is that you are bringing nothing to the table from you yourself but it goes unoticed by town (and it very much did in the early part of this day) because that is the whole point of it, it's trying to act town while contributing nothing to the table. And any analysis you do have is very weak and because all of it is just reading the surface of posts and not actually going in depth, it is only after I called you out on it. And again this is a common reoccurrence in your scum play if you look back on one of your past forum scum games or especially in chat mafia. And again this is a stupid discredit, just because you were bantering does not mean it can't be Alignment Indicative. I was kinda incomplete with this thought but I meant to say that it was only after I called them out in the initial post that they started actively not doing this |
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Post by spiderz on Oct 20, 2020 15:37:28 GMT
Ill grab quotes and past games
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Post by litteleven on Oct 20, 2020 15:41:29 GMT
my case is that we want something out of the day here
lynching blurb as you said doesn't progress game at all if he's town, but neither does small here; if SFL tried to post a readlist or push someone else i'd be fine shifting off but sfl's reluctance to put himself in danger as a slot makes me lean it as scum here. I would've given the benefit of doubt for a cfd at an earlier point of time but I don't believe it's a play anymore, since I'd like to see one of my primary reads for the day flip and not just get an inac out (ddlc was imo a good lynch but shifting at this moment on a whim would break the game for the future days if ddlc flips town)
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Post by litteleven on Oct 20, 2020 15:45:41 GMT
Might move to small for the sake of providing a third option if no one shows up willing to move onto Pass. (Currently also checking out Pass's most recent post.) as far as PTSD's slot goes my sr was kind of off given they attempted to actually make a town play when pressuring small and using your viability as a lynch as bait, but that's the only shine I see from the slot atm, I believe it should def be a focal point of future days; I'm just going to stay on sfl since I don't want to risk losing an SR as a lynch simply on the basis of shifting to another SR. could be just me though, idk |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Oct 20, 2020 15:45:48 GMT
Ok I just saw this post cyan talon thank you for the clarification I will do better at making reads. I also think that this could be potential bus of Litt and simply pointing out that someone doesn’t have enough evidence generally should not be relevant unless your reads are stupid and baseless like mine generally are. I don't like this post for two reasons: - The "I will do better at making reads" feels extremely shallow and pleady. While I can understand that you don't have reads at this stage, I feel like there's no point to you explicitly saying that you'd start doing so without offering any preliminary reads, or without adding commentary to your existing reads on me/litt/fenrir/etc. Pointing out a "potential bus" isn't enough.
- The self-beatover with "stupid and baseless [reads] like mine generally are" feels like an attempt at AtE to me, or an excuse to not have their reads matter much.
This is just generally a terrible progression of thinking, and coupled with the way you've carried yourself with your recent posts it shows me you're just generally either trying to be quiet (active fillering), or you're not paying much attention to the game. This might just be me beating a dead horse, but I'd like a bit more attention placed on ddlcfan69 for this.
Also, I might have to revisit chaostrodon's early game if this one post can incite this much of a response from me.
Ok I will say my last post before end of day. I get the AtE part of your argument and will stop it I promise. But how does me saying I will play the game correct considered shallow. If anything you should be grateful that I am trying but since you are scum you just used it as a way to stir the pot. I will be taking shower now and will leave the rest in towns hands but we should get sun and blurb should not die just cuz inactive. Also why has spiderz not lynched? I get blurb not lynching because anything he says would put target on his back but spiderz you have no reason not to vote. |
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Post by spiderz on Oct 20, 2020 15:46:42 GMT
3v9 cool cool i claim to be either hololive or saint seiya yubi yubi i hate this site and everyone, idc if everyone sees me as scum for putting out rage commentary but i cannot deal with this well i'm just gonna shake > lynch spiderz cuz why not I would find this line a bit sus in chat mafia , but I dunno how forum mafia reads work. Anyway Vote ddlcfan69Check bold Check bold dw, you've got the hang of it right enough - basis for reading remains the same regardless of medium and you'd be on the right track if this wasn't D1 and any line could be interpreted as banter. Advice thingI'm thinking and I have 0 clue why you would say this or what it means. Don't claim if this is real or not, there is no reason to. see above: D1 banter is a thing, and i feel like this line was part of it. There's really nothing I can do to comment on gamestate or push a vote at the moment, <- This but its first post so fair i guess but is still eh because its not a normal thing for cyan to say as town so I might as well just lynch blurb to see what I get out of that. Will make several posts after CLrus and my own walrus would love for these posts to be in a wall, if you're just here to comment on banter like i did More of this "advice" obligatory "declaring RVS defeats the point of RVS" fillerpost from me kekThat said, let's talk a bit. What do you think of the miniwagons on Spiderz and smallworldz at the moment? Forgot to mention another big part of this read was that he asked questions to generate discussion but then did not build on them *at all*Im with litt this format is not fun. Not sure if I should claim role or not so will wait but is there a way to see the roles of the game? Forum games are all about taking your time to form reads - you don't have to check in every hour or so. Also, this is U-Pick, everyone (presumably with one or two exceptions) got a role they wanted to play as. Advice thingI would like for litteleven to explain his town reads Fair question, but are there any of those that you disagree with? Also, what reads do you have? Would be nice to get some transparecy out of you, so everyone's on equal footing. Asking questions he then proceeds to go nowhere withIn this case yes, you are stalling your own progress by not scum hunting, and the entirety of your conversation with penguin has been cyclical so far. Make headway or you're not making way. Generally good advice from OM here - but if anything I'd point out that I townlean Gary from their stance and tone towards this line of questioning. Regurgitating what OM saidThat said, I can work with Penguin D being town as well, although I'd like for them to speak up more. No thoughts about the rest of the PL, but I would prefer a blurb lynch over the rest if shit hits the fan. Chaos has actually progressed fairly nicely here and I think im going to safely says he is town for the foreseeable future. Those r all my thoughts 4 now Ok now pretend those were all one post thanks kind of struggling to see what makes you townlean chaostrodon ngl. not saying he's scum/town, but for what it's worth i can't discern anything about him from the few posts he has made asking questions he goes nowhere with and trying 2 stay neutral (that part can go both ways though)Time for the first readwall~ 1.Chaostrodon-the gary/penguin interaction is good to analyze to see if its t/s/,s/s,t/t and see if anyone is sheeping or siding with gts and or penguin.The entire context of the push was bad, however as the reasons were bad.I also dont get how fenrir is suspicious when what he asked penguin was a good question.if we go from that pov cyan would be more scummy as they asked penguin for a read rather than giving their own 2.Cyan Talon-iffy, why a blurb lynch over anyone else?why ask penguin about the state of the lynches when it was clearly 2 rvs's?sl 3.PassTheSaltDude-says theres a chance penguin flips scum, and might vote on them later (while currently lynching no one), and then next post says they dont sr penguin, you prob should scumhunt then. also says they are looking for a good lynch, are you asking to sheep someone? 4.OM-gave reads but didnt ask much questions nor pushed anyone (can be said with multiple people here actually),null 5.Spiderz-weird claim, prob has some interaction with ddlcfan69,null rn 6.Penguin D-contradicted himself, unless he meant to say dislike which is what i was reading it as lol,answers to the questions were fine tho 7.Gary the Savage-questions penguin while ignoring most other people,still townie even tho he gave bad reasons for a push cause of questioning and general scumhuntiness 8.Litt Eleven-townie,asking questions making reads, iso wise hasnt said anything contradictory etc 9.Fenrir -looking back his lines may not be a pr soft, but could instead be him tryna look townie,hasnt said much tho he is fine so far; i agree with him asking about peng voting gary over OM 10.smallworldz 11.ddlcfan69-null;says he has a desire to kill spiderz which is something, especially given spiderz claim 12.blurb -scumlean;not because he hasnt said anything, its cause no one else voted him for not saying anything ,especially since its still rvs and some people still dont have solid reads yet (watch as this gets ripped to shreds) vote cyan talonThis pile of reads is problematic for me; you point out contradictions while making them yourself. You yourself stated my main reason for voting off blurb, being unaddressed inactivity, which I'm pretty sure I made clear from earlier. Also, read on Litt feels surface-level (as others have pointed out), and PTSD read feels like you're trying to fluff it up as much as possible without saying any clear takes. Read spiderz's complaint on "helping townies doesn't make you townie" for one thing, this wallpost has convinced me to unlynch ptsd vote cyan talon since ptsd's wagon traction is awful and I'm not sure of the slot;s intentions anymore; and I v much think sfl staying at a blank slate on chaos is scummy since they're not reading but they were also a focal point of activity for the game; since that's no longer the case, I'm more comfortable with this lynch; piggybacking statements but i get the right vibes from spiderz's push here; did a good job at that atleast. I still highly contest the effectiveness of Gary's pushes at all, but I don't think the slot is directly scum since it has town intentions, to clear that up. + chaos tr feels kind of universal here, unless anyone wants to contest that. preliminary reads are still preliminary spiderz they're meant to stipulate activity; not all of it needs to hit its mark; in my defense, they're all forced in a sort since I didn't want to miss anyone out on my original asssessment. I firmly believe fenrir is intentionally playing to a Null read d1 so I don't want to read that slot, but my thoughts on everyone else exists right there. Seeing chaostrodon's recent activity makes me think they're being genuine and transparent in the way they think, so yes I'm retracting my null on them. That said, this post feels leaning towards town to me with its reads on Gary and Fenrir, simple as they might be. Also derz lynch was just for shits and giggles I prob scum read cyan or litt but will wait before I make my lynch bruh. do yourself a favour and ex**B**lain sadly i'd usually meta over linecount and activity, but here it seems to just be how dedicated people are to the game, so currently nai. seems like ill have to actually read stuff say (ew) first thoughts -even early game this post makes no sense. change of tone as in calming down? outing softs? fr what is the point -besides that, i feel like the first 3 pages were a whole lot of nothing and are not worth reading into -The Penguin D read has merit but I feel like it was pushed for bad reasons as OM pointed out. -spiderz criticizing gts' personal takeaways and bashing for also what seems to be no reason. that is just not progressing the game imo and somewhat uncharacteristic (subjective)
id say early tls and litt (efforting goon) and chap but chap always gives out townie vibes id also say at least one scum in gts/pd for the tunneling tendencies and also their quality of posts so far would also like to see every player's "defined niche" lmao
A bit odd to me that out of everything eblurb could've focused on, he just responds in single lines instead of actually developing his reads. Makes me think he did so to dodge activity and suspicion without actually giving us something to work with. Call me a hypocrite if you would. Well I think I have to start playing the game now and stop shitposting. I refuse to find quotes cuz I am an American who never learned how to read but I think that if we are not going to at least consider Litt to be scum (which I think is dangerous but nothing I can do about that) I think cyan is good Lynch def better then Gary. Gary has been helpful and I like that his posts are not massive like others. I will be unlynch, Lynch cyan talon because he is also dangerous, also agree that chaos is tr and so is spiderz even though he was my rvs. I promise I will start to read more of ya'll stuff but can you do a better job at condensing your stuff please and thank you. "He is also dangerous" is by no means a reason to lynch someone, like you're playing with over half the pl being roomstaff so  ? This feels like a very lazy surface-level lynch, and if this is how I die then I'm not dying. And then this complete and utter change after I call him out, how has he not been passive Fenrir? |
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Post by spiderz on Oct 20, 2020 15:47:25 GMT
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Post by spiderz on Oct 20, 2020 15:48:20 GMT
I don't like this post for two reasons: - The "I will do better at making reads" feels extremely shallow and pleady. While I can understand that you don't have reads at this stage, I feel like there's no point to you explicitly saying that you'd start doing so without offering any preliminary reads, or without adding commentary to your existing reads on me/litt/fenrir/etc. Pointing out a "potential bus" isn't enough.
- The self-beatover with "stupid and baseless [reads] like mine generally are" feels like an attempt at AtE to me, or an excuse to not have their reads matter much.
This is just generally a terrible progression of thinking, and coupled with the way you've carried yourself with your recent posts it shows me you're just generally either trying to be quiet (active fillering), or you're not paying much attention to the game. This might just be me beating a dead horse, but I'd like a bit more attention placed on ddlcfan69 for this.
Also, I might have to revisit chaostrodon's early game if this one post can incite this much of a response from me.
Ok I will say my last post before end of day. I get the AtE part of your argument and will stop it I promise. But how does me saying I will play the game correct considered shallow. If anything you should be grateful that I am trying but since you are scum you just used it as a way to stir the pot. I will be taking shower now and will leave the rest in towns hands but we should get sun and blurb should not die just cuz inactive. Also why has spiderz not lynched? I get blurb not lynching because anything he says would put target on his back but spiderz you have no reason not to vote. If u pated attention then you would know my role does not allow be to lynch ddlc |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 15:52:07 GMT
I see the point Litt was coming from (and I was using hyperbole when I said 95%, but most people have townread you, and it doesn’t seem natural) I was mainly asking the scumteam question because I haven’t read much from Litt and I wanted to see their thoughts on interactions and current game state. Idk how I feel about derz giving out a lot of things about Fenrir that should be a townread by ending it with ‘but it could be forced so I don’t tr him’ it feels odd and out of place, but I don’t know that the take away from it should be. I don’t think ‘scrambling’ is the right word for me and the penguin read. Once again, I didn’t really try much for the first day of gameplay and mainly skimmed through conversations seeing some good points made about penguins call out on certain filler, when people gave me clarification of what I missed, I changed perspective. I said why I’ve gotten a slight sl on litt, and that’s because they tried everything they could to form a sr on me, to the point where it just feels incredibly superficial . I said why I don’t like smalls wall posts. And I just saw you dip early game and found the idea of you+Litt possible, but you were my weakest read. Looking back on it and reading other stuff, I get where the cyan read is coming from. His stuff does feel... off, like I’ve seen cyan as scum they try to ‘town lead’ without creating new discussion, if I have the time I’ll read their whole iso and see if they’ve added anything new to the game state, I might be ignoring him, but I haven’t seen Gary enter any real discussion yet as we enter late in the day, nothing really doing anything to form reads, he’s just parked on me like he was at the start of day. (Which is a mentality I understand, you start the day with a lynch and you try and commit to it, even if you aren’t willing to read the slot any other way) Litt's been a polarizing slot imo, I wouldn't call them a popular townread. I also explained feeling earlier like the townreads on OM were unwarranted, so if you've got a take on that let me know. Spiderz making that read on me is probably NAI, but I still want his current opinion. I do think scrambling is the right word in the sense that shortly after getting called out on your read on Penguin, you dropped the subject entirely and went in pursuit of compromising with others to build a wagon elsewhere instead of looking into who else could be scum. Saying that you changed your perspective is inaccurate; you said you thought there was still a chance Penguin flipped scum but opted to stop pursuing the subject. |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 15:56:20 GMT
Ok I will say my last post before end of day. I get the AtE part of your argument and will stop it I promise. But how does me saying I will play the game correct considered shallow. If anything you should be grateful that I am trying but since you are scum you just used it as a way to stir the pot. I will be taking shower now and will leave the rest in towns hands but we should get sun and blurb should not die just cuz inactive. Also why has spiderz not lynched? I get blurb not lynching because anything he says would put target on his back but spiderz you have no reason not to vote. This almost makes me want to vote blurb. Unvote: PassTheSaltDudeVote: smallworldzKeyword: Almost. Might still go back to it tbh, feeling this out. This post deserves scrutiny if either of Cyan/eblurb are scum, for different reasons. |
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Post by spiderz on Oct 20, 2020 15:57:26 GMT
4 more minutes while a lotta people here is unfortunate if @cyantalon flips scum then FOS on fenrir
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Post by litteleven on Oct 20, 2020 15:59:28 GMT
gonna pop off at night
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Oct 20, 2020 15:59:35 GMT
Ok I will say my last post before end of day. I get the AtE part of your argument and will stop it I promise. But how does me saying I will play the game correct considered shallow. If anything you should be grateful that I am trying but since you are scum you just used it as a way to stir the pot. I will be taking shower now and will leave the rest in towns hands but we should get sun and blurb should not die just cuz inactive. Also why has spiderz not lynched? I get blurb not lynching because anything he says would put target on his back but spiderz you have no reason not to vote. If u pated attention then you would know my role does not allow be to lynch ddlcDumb mechanic 0/10 not a fan. Did you pick to not be able to Lynch cuz if you did that’s ***ed? |
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 16:00:10 GMT
4 more minutes while a lotta people here is unfortunate if @cyantalon flips scum then FOS on fenrir I think you know this isn't a good FoS  Re: your above ISO of Cyan, I'm still not vibing because all of the more passive things you quoted come from an early enough point in the game where I wouldn't expect any kind of strong stances. But that's DL. |
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Post by spiderz on Oct 20, 2020 16:00:30 GMT
fos probably wrong word but w/e final reads of the night is my tr turned too a TL for OM and a TL on Fen and I still have SR's on Litt and obv cyan, also SL on ddlc for reasons ill go in depth tommorow
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Post by Fenrir on Oct 20, 2020 16:00:33 GMT
If u pated attention then you would know my role does not allow be to lynch ddlcDumb mechanic 0/10 not a fan. Did you pick to not be able to Lynch cuz if you did that’s ***ed? Yeah, we're not gonna use that word here btw. |
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Post by PenguinD on Oct 20, 2020 16:00:52 GMT
Twilight I think?
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