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Post by quojova on Dec 10, 2020 19:27:59 GMT
unless there is some good reason to not have divorced penguin and kaif that I am missing |
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Post by quojova on Dec 10, 2020 19:28:52 GMT
I can't really justify not voting Litt here
will wait on it for now though
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Post by quojova on Dec 10, 2020 19:29:44 GMT
are you two lovered btw
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Post by Edjeanerations on Dec 10, 2020 20:32:07 GMT
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Post by Edjeanerations on Dec 10, 2020 20:33:27 GMT
I don't understand why PTSD wouldn't divorce the lovers? They were conf before he died right?
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Post by Edjeanerations on Dec 10, 2020 20:34:28 GMT
Btw I'll be at work for the next 6 hours or so but I'll be back
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Post by Edjeanerations on Dec 10, 2020 20:41:25 GMT
Btw quo I should let you know that as of right now I'm more likely to lynch you over Litt, mainly due to everything that happened with Kaif. I'm going to go back and read later but I'm putting this on the table now.
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Post by quojova on Dec 10, 2020 21:15:40 GMT
Btw quo I should let you know that as of right now I'm more likely to lynch you over Litt, mainly due to everything that happened with Kaif. I'm going to go back and read later but I'm putting this on the table now. @ litteleven what do you think about this |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Dec 11, 2020 4:15:12 GMT
I'd like to know as well
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Post by litteleven on Dec 11, 2020 4:46:59 GMT
good morning, (I'm town)
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Post by litteleven on Dec 11, 2020 5:10:28 GMT
think accidentally killing penguin is net good for town because that almost surely lynched me here.
tr's stronger on quo from d1 and i associated well with the flush statement yday of 'I'd lose to quo scum'
but I'm also fine losing to edje scum because that means one of my fundamental reads that I've never doubted was wrong and i was doomed to fail
like: both of you look pretty townie, and I'll def have to cross but like, pitch your towncase and I'll mull over it
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Post by litteleven on Dec 11, 2020 5:14:56 GMT
Btw quo I should let you know that as of right now I'm more likely to lynch you over Litt, mainly due to everything that happened with Kaif. I'm going to go back and read later but I'm putting this on the table now. @ litteleven what do you think about this it's correct if edje is town ,'-' more so an uplifting thing to hear because piling on me is a easier way to win but now there's that slight sliver of hope in that sense |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 6:13:51 GMT
having us all give our towncases is probably good exercise my strongest point is pretty clearly that I voted eblurb and if my vote was elsewhere that day blurb would not have been voted off and looking back it would have to have been done without any coordination with OM In general a bus from that position makes very little sense as I would be weighing a 1v5 with 2 clears against a 3v4 with 2 clears, at least one of the clears guaranteed not being ptsd/derz which would be very easy slots to force majority on that's pretty much the majority of the case because anything else I point out will be completely overshadowed by that but some more minor things: -I've asked for why trs exist on OM an obscene amount of times, to the point where at some point if I were partners you would expect me to just accept the continued silence on it and the safety that comes with that. Instead I've maintained the position that any read on him that isn't extremely close to null essentially unfounded and should be re-evaluated/explained in detail -This is related to the blurb vote but it came up in my search: I had this pretense I would say is reasonable to not vote blurb which I did not take: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/72773-How often does this eblurb post and my response ever happen in an OM-blurb-me scumteam? ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/72704-my dudes I've just been here trying to solve this entire game might add more to this list as time goes on and I think of things |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 6:17:12 GMT
can u blind sheep me instead Kaif bro... I don't have a pmeta on quo so as of right now he's one of the towniest people in my eyes, and I think I said that yesterday as well. I don't plan on lynching him today unless some info comes out was posted a bit less than halfway into the game and came up while I was digging I'm just curious what changed in my gameplay that flipped you on me |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 6:18:45 GMT
think accidentally killing penguin is net good for town because that almost surely lynched me here. tr's stronger on quo from d1 and i associated well with the flush statement yday of 'I'd lose to quo scum' but I'm also fine losing to edje scum because that means one of my fundamental reads that I've never doubted was wrong and i was doomed to fail like: both of you look pretty townie, and I'll def have to cross but like, pitch your towncase and I'll mull over it can you explain where this comes from |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 6:27:44 GMT
Btw quo I should let you know that as of right now I'm more likely to lynch you over Litt, mainly due to everything that happened with Kaif. I'm going to go back and read later but I'm putting this on the table now. Withheld my initial reaction because I thought Litt responding to it might solidify my read on him depending on how much he chewed into the possibility of me being scum. Now that he's said his piece I'll say that this pushes edj upwards in my evaluations because I would assume as scum he would be aware that coasting with me onto Litt would basically be a free win and pushing complication into the game like is counter to his win-con. Like the act of putting a sl on me after everyone else who tred me is dead is initially a scummy move and I don't think he would risk me snapping onto him for doing it if he was scum. Litt doesn't look worse from his response directly but he does as a result of edj looking better |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 6:31:42 GMT
I'm heading off to sleep now, tomorrow I'll focus on reading other people's posts and not my own  |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 7:10:58 GMT
Ok actual last post, this came to me while I was about to fall asleep:
If I were scum my kill on PTSD makes so little levels of sense
-I'm actively putting pressure on him the day before as my strongest sr other than blurb
-If I as scum miss on ptsd being divorcer I'm put in a precarious position where town has 3 clears and 2 kills. Despite the high amount of cred I would have in that situation there is inevitably going to be at least some evaluation of how likely my bus would be in that situation because the alternative is just a complete mechanical play until game end on the two remaining town slots.
-As we can tell now if we assume the divorcer divorces penguin from kaif that day (which is a reasonable assumption to make) it doesn't matter what the matchmaker does with his action, the town will always have the same number of kills. That means in terms of value as a role he is basically equal to the lover as a confirmed townie. The divorcer can also be cced where the lover cannot. The conclusion to be drawn here is the vulnerability I would risk from trying to find the divorcer that day is just not worth it when I can kill a confirmed lover. If you don't think I as scum would have run through this quick calculation with what I would call "a high interest" in this game and a high activity you are lying to yourself, the logs show I ran this exact calculation an hour and a half into d3.
-As for why it's a "risk": Litt's fake soft throws a wrench in trying to identify who the real divorcer is. Even if I as scum were to suspect ptsd of being the divorcer (which I did not but this I cannot prove) it would be impossible to eliminate at least the possibility of Litt being divorcer.
The only semi-reasonable justification for me killing ptsd is some galactic-level wine
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Post by Edjeanerations on Dec 11, 2020 7:39:19 GMT
Alright, well as for my case - I had little to no actual interactions with PTSD, and honestly I wasn't expecting him to die or flip divorce lawyer because I hadn't focused any of my reads on him. Even if you look through my iso I think the only times I talk to him is about other people in the game. I legitimately thought Litt's line about "doing the right thing last night" (or something along those lines) was a divorce lawyer soft, and that only made me tr him more. Now that I've learned that it wasn't I'm not sure if it was a bait or something? litteleven I actually want you to elaborate on that - I can't say anything about the blurb lynch because I literally was not there for it. If people haven't noticed my activity has started dying significantly because irl shit is getting in the way, but either way I was always down to lynch him and I definitely would have done so if I was there before his death (I say death because idr if it was a hammer or if it was due to plur and frankly I don't feel like checking rn, it's approaching 3 AM) - I'm not gonna act like my lynch on OM gives me any towncred but I might as well say something about it so people don't get the wrong idea. It was literally just rvs. Though I would like to state that I did ask (just like quo) why there were so many trs on OM, ESPECIALLY since he had almost no lines at the point where people started reading him. - Both Kaif and PD were against lynching me, so killing one of them in this situation would make zero sense for me especially since we all assumed that they were divorced One thing I'm wondering is why nobody was matchmade. Could it have failed somehow, or did scum already know that kaif and pd were still lovered? |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Dec 11, 2020 7:39:50 GMT
by the way chapterseven do we get to know who was killed last night and who died as a result of it? |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Dec 11, 2020 7:49:07 GMT
Btw quo I should let you know that as of right now I'm more likely to lynch you over Litt, mainly due to everything that happened with Kaif. I'm going to go back and read later but I'm putting this on the table now. Withheld my initial reaction because I thought Litt responding to it might solidify my read on him depending on how much he chewed into the possibility of me being scum. Now that he's said his piece I'll say that this pushes edj upwards in my evaluations because I would assume as scum he would be aware that coasting with me onto Litt would basically be a free win and pushing complication into the game like is counter to his win-con. Like the act of putting a sl on me after everyone else who tred me is dead is initially a scummy move and I don't think he would risk me snapping onto him for doing it if he was scum. Litt doesn't look worse from his response directly but he does as a result of edj looking better Can you elaborate a bit here? 1. I'm really not sure who tred you earlier although I know I had a tl on you at the beginning of the game (though like I said, I don't know your pmeta like I do many of the others in this game) and 2. Remember the stuff with Kaif (not condescending btw lmao)? That was where my tl started developing into not a tl, so anyone else's reads on you weren't really relevant to me. My #1 tr was Kaif and our reads started becoming more and more similar as the game progressed |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 8:07:05 GMT
Withheld my initial reaction because I thought Litt responding to it might solidify my read on him depending on how much he chewed into the possibility of me being scum. Now that he's said his piece I'll say that this pushes edj upwards in my evaluations because I would assume as scum he would be aware that coasting with me onto Litt would basically be a free win and pushing complication into the game like is counter to his win-con. Like the act of putting a sl on me after everyone else who tred me is dead is initially a scummy move and I don't think he would risk me snapping onto him for doing it if he was scum. Litt doesn't look worse from his response directly but he does as a result of edj looking better Can you elaborate a bit here? 1. I'm really not sure who tred you earlier although I know I had a tl on you at the beginning of the game (though like I said, I don't know your pmeta like I do many of the others in this game) and 2. Remember the stuff with Kaif (not condescending btw lmao)? That was where my tl started developing into not a tl, so anyone else's reads on you weren't really relevant to me. My #1 tr was Kaif and our reads started becoming more and more similar as the game progressed im still not asleep apparently kaif, ftf, and (presumably) penguinD tred me. I don't mean too much by the bolded, just that people like ftf who tred me specifically asked for those sl opinions on me to come out earlier and it happens that you are bringing this up now after the people that tr me are dead. That's a bit of a red flag but the fact that you are so willing to jump into it flips it around for me into a tl. "not condescending btw lmao" <- pls explain this I have no idea what it is referring to and if it is referring to me I would like to be able to admit my fault in that regard "That was where my tl started developing into not a tl" <- right, but can you go into the details of that? I'm starting to get the impression that all the micro-misunderstandings that keep popping up whenever we interact at least has something to do with how we are not seeing eye-to-eye here. |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 8:11:14 GMT
Can you elaborate a bit here? 1. I'm really not sure who tred you earlier although I know I had a tl on you at the beginning of the game (though like I said, I don't know your pmeta like I do many of the others in this game) and 2. Remember the stuff with Kaif (not condescending btw lmao)? That was where my tl started developing into not a tl, so anyone else's reads on you weren't really relevant to me. My #1 tr was Kaif and our reads started becoming more and more similar as the game progressed im still not asleep apparently kaif, ftf, and (presumably) penguinD tred me. I don't mean too much by the bolded, just that people like ftf who tred me specifically asked for those sl opinions on me to come out earlier and it happens that you are bringing this up now after the people that tr me are dead. That's a bit of a red flag but the fact that you are so willing to jump into it flips it around for me into a tl. "not condescending btw lmao" <- pls explain this I have no idea what it is referring to and if it is referring to me I would like to be able to admit my fault in that regard "That was where my tl started developing into not a tl" <- right, but can you go into the details of that? I'm starting to get the impression that all the micro-misunderstandings that keep popping up whenever we interact at least has something to do with how we are not seeing eye-to-eye here. oh nvm I get it the "not condescending btw lmao" is referring to how asking me if I remember an event is not intending to be condescending second question still stands, I think I have carried myself in an internally consistent manner throughout the game and the fact that we seem to not line up could really be cleared up with some concrete examples |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 8:16:18 GMT
Can you elaborate a bit here? 1. I'm really not sure who tred you earlier although I know I had a tl on you at the beginning of the game (though like I said, I don't know your pmeta like I do many of the others in this game) and 2. Remember the stuff with Kaif (not condescending btw lmao)? That was where my tl started developing into not a tl, so anyone else's reads on you weren't really relevant to me. My #1 tr was Kaif and our reads started becoming more and more similar as the game progressed im still not asleep apparently kaif, ftf, and (presumably) penguinD tred me. I don't mean too much by the bolded, just that people like ftf who tred me specifically asked for those sl opinions on me to come out earlier and it happens that you are bringing this up now after the people that tr me are dead. That's a bit of a red flag but the fact that you are so willing to jump into it flips it around for me into a tl. "not condescending btw lmao" <- pls explain this I have no idea what it is referring to and if it is referring to me I would like to be able to admit my fault in that regard "That was where my tl started developing into not a tl" <- right, but can you go into the details of that? I'm starting to get the impression that all the micro-misunderstandings that keep popping up whenever we interact at least has something to do with how we are not seeing eye-to-eye here. Will also clarify that no one in this game really has any pmeta on me, besides maybe ftf (1-2 games but he wasn't even in those)? |
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Post by quojova on Dec 11, 2020 8:19:18 GMT
im still not asleep apparently kaif, ftf, and (presumably) penguinD tred me. I don't mean too much by the bolded, just that people like ftf who tred me specifically asked for those sl opinions on me to come out earlier and it happens that you are bringing this up now after the people that tr me are dead. That's a bit of a red flag but the fact that you are so willing to jump into it flips it around for me into a tl. "not condescending btw lmao" <- pls explain this I have no idea what it is referring to and if it is referring to me I would like to be able to admit my fault in that regard "That was where my tl started developing into not a tl" <- right, but can you go into the details of that? I'm starting to get the impression that all the micro-misunderstandings that keep popping up whenever we interact at least has something to do with how we are not seeing eye-to-eye here. Will also clarify that no one in this game really has any pmeta on me, besides maybe ftf (1-2 games but he wasn't even in those)? omg im not doing this prove a point about misunderstandings I swear I misread "I don't have any pmeta on you like I do of other people" as "I don't have any pmeta on you like other people do of you" just ignore that previous post I really should sleep tbh |
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