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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 16:33:30 GMT
PTSD thank you  Ok so there was a slight host error it won't affect much but do know that there was a slight error. I'll explain it after the game 2 Deaths Penguin D and Kaif, both Lovers LYLO Baby Theory: -On the same day PTSD divorced matchmaker matchmade penguinD and kaif -host only realized partway into the day that under the sequence of actions provided penguinD and kaif would still be lovers Not sure what relevance this theory has to the game if any but it ties these weird posts together so nicely actually this ptsd kill now makes sense from a litt pov its probably still a misplay unless you are 1000% sure ptsd is the divorcer but I could buy litt believing that, it's also likely he just didn't run through that regardless of if you got the lover kill, town got the name number of kills edj probably never kills ptsd beyond out of pure randomness because litt looks like the divorcer and even if you suspect it's fake it's very hard to completely eliminate the possibility |
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 16:45:19 GMT
my town case more so relies on my thought train my motivation every day since the second half of d1 has been me wanting to die, because missing a PR at any day gives town a big advantage + i was spewed town by the majority of people so I wouldn't get cced to the face for doing so. Hence doing so would secure town a good advantage which is why I tried to soft vigilante d1 and divorce lawyer d2. Failed once, failed twice, and this comes at lack of being able to progress stuff in any faction's advantage, which is a vital thing for mafia to do (in my opinion) which that throws out the window. It occurs to me now that trying to gain cred off of faking a soft is like the perfect crime. Sometimes you get a cc and you just go "cmon dude i was baiting", which is a huge win. But more importantly it allows you to claim cred without ever advancing the town win con because of course if you are scum the bait will never work. "If I was scum I didn't progress my faction's win con" is a weak point and I think you know that, although I'm not judging for weak points in general because it is a logical thing to do when you see a confscum from either alignment.if you want to see why my PoE fell on blurb there: it was quo+kaif tvt + om town + edje town + me town, thought Kaif + derz was still a lover pair, leaving PTSD Penguin Eblurb A certain PTSD interaction convinced me it wasn't him + peng on first glance, hence Eblurb had to be a common denominator and was hence 'free' (also helps that I did nothing to change my read, nor provide info on why to gain towncred on it at any point, which kinda ruins the point of throwing it out as scum if I felt like I wanted to distance or bus, I'd have used it by now, but that's more wine i guess) It is pretty wine because you can't reasonably expect the act of saying "eblurb is pretty free to me" to lead to wagon formation on its own. On the contrary if you saw a wagon develop as a result of that phrase it would more indicate that the wagon itself was scum. I'm not necessarily arguing that you ran through this all at the time but I think it is reasonable to think that you realized that saying that phrase would not spark wagon action and seized the opportunity. I'd want to say that without the divorce lawyer kill, I was still high town apart from the OM interaction d1, so in that situation I would never felt threatened enough to not kill the lover freely and instead risk it on a soft (which I didn't even see till people pointed it out, but that's a different issue and more wine), so I didn't need to take any risks to make LyLo anyway. coming into d3 I was just 'poe gg' and thought flush was always scum because i tr'd everyone else + Flush seemed like setting up for lylo so I decided to post the 'never lynch edje in lylo' just to confirm town victory from that pov. Was clearly wrong but I think flush in lylo had a worse chance simply because spiderz had 0 content + negative content through OM partner so yeah, this is arguably more winnable for town than that |
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 17:06:17 GMT
Alright, well as for my case - I had little to no actual interactions with PTSD, and honestly I wasn't expecting him to die or flip divorce lawyer because I hadn't focused any of my reads on him. Even if you look through my iso I think the only times I talk to him is about other people in the game. I legitimately thought Litt's line about "doing the right thing last night" (or something along those lines) was a divorce lawyer soft, and that only made me tr him more. Now that I've learned that it wasn't I'm not sure if it was a bait or something? litteleven I actually want you to elaborate on that "I hadn't focused any of my reads on him"
"I legitimately thought Litt's line about "doing the right thing last night" (or something along those lines) was a divorce lawyer soft"
unverifiable statements that are worth close to nothing- I can't say anything about the blurb lynch because I literally was not there for it. If people haven't noticed my activity has started dying significantly because irl shit is getting in the way, but either way I was always down to lynch him and I definitely would have done so if I was there before his death (I say death because idr if it was a hammer or if it was due to plur and frankly I don't feel like checking rn, it's approaching 3 AM) "I was always down to lynch him and I definitely would have done so if I was there before his death"
claiming cred for that is...
- I'm not gonna act like my lynch on OM gives me any towncred but I might as well say something about it so people don't get the wrong idea. It was literally just rvs. Though I would like to state that I did ask (just like quo) why there were so many trs on OM, ESPECIALLY since he had almost no lines at the point where people started reading him. You asked "I honestly don't see why everyone is tring and tling OM when he's still pretty null to me, although most people in the game are pretty null in my eyes. My lynch on him was just rvs anyways since I don't think he even had lines at the time I lynched him." This is very weak association ngl and its very reasonable to think a scumpair would have posted this- Both Kaif and PD were against lynching me, so killing one of them in this situation would make zero sense for me especially since we all assumed that they were divorced Who would you actually kill though? Killing Litt would be a throw because it would put me/peng/edj onto you. Killing me would be comparable to killing kaif/pd because I was also a hard advocate of killing litt over you. I never responded to this one either and I didn't because I didn't want to turn this into me vs. edj So yea pretty much the reasons I'm tring edj are: -littscum -littscum -possibly not active and involved enough to realize ptsd was divorcer -littscum |
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 17:09:50 GMT
edj pls do not make us lose off of inactivity
not the ending this game needs but the one it deserves
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 17:31:20 GMT
Theory: -On the same day PTSD divorced matchmaker matchmade penguinD and kaif -host only realized partway into the day that under the sequence of actions provided penguinD and kaif would still be lovers Not sure what relevance this theory has to the game if any but it ties these weird posts together so nicely actually this ptsd kill now makes sense from a litt pov its probably still a misplay unless you are 1000% sure ptsd is the divorcer but I could buy litt believing that, it's also likely he just didn't run through that regardless of if you got the lover kill, town got the name number of kills edj probably never kills ptsd beyond out of pure randomness because litt looks like the divorcer and even if you suspect it's fake it's very hard to completely eliminate the possibility oh this makes sense isn't killing div law the only play for scum!edje there though? Because they literally are far behind enough that if they miskill onto a vt they lose to auto there. Also when you have 3 heads in a scumteam it's much more likely for a soft to be found + pointed out, + if I noticed that, why would I ever try to soft because of chronological order of posts? In that sense it quite literally says 'If I had knowledge that PTSD was softing, why would I try to do something risky?" There is absolutely no reason for me to take that risk when I can immediately retract my claim the next day or kill a conf town lover who's on , simply cause the number of days of lynches are the same more likely from that position that edje banked it all on that play, or noticed my failed vigsoft d1 that paired up in behaviour to conclusively say 'litt is bad and fakesofting' tldr the kill is always a misplay and I will never make that there, mechanically |
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 17:42:44 GMT
if i had that much planned into the game as scum, why wouldn't I just actually step up activity and control town lynches, especially because I was a unitr till that point? It's just that sitting on two fakesofts for 3 days in irl time is hardly going to fit into my scumgame when there's so much I could do, and to jump from that to PR sniping and making a perfect play is not a logical progression
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 17:55:02 GMT
might be a lot of wifom but what I'm trying to point out by this exercise in reasoning is:
how well do my actual actions line up with how well I'd have had to play as scum to make it to 3p lylo
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 17:59:55 GMT
actually this ptsd kill now makes sense from a litt pov its probably still a misplay unless you are 1000% sure ptsd is the divorcer but I could buy litt believing that, it's also likely he just didn't run through that regardless of if you got the lover kill, town got the name number of kills edj probably never kills ptsd beyond out of pure randomness because litt looks like the divorcer and even if you suspect it's fake it's very hard to completely eliminate the possibility oh this makes sense isn't killing div law the only play for scum!edje there though? Because they literally are far behind enough that if they miskill onto a vt they lose to auto there. Also when you have 3 heads in a scumteam it's much more likely for a soft to be found + pointed out, + if I noticed that, why would I ever try to soft because of chronological order of posts? In that sense it quite literally says 'If I had knowledge that PTSD was softing, why would I try to do something risky?" There is absolutely no reason for me to take that risk when I can immediately retract my claim the next day or kill a conf town lover who's on , simply cause the number of days of lynches are the same more likely from that position that edje banked it all on that play, or noticed my failed vigsoft d1 that paired up in behaviour to conclusively say 'litt is bad and fakesofting' tldr the kill is always a misplay and I will never make that there, mechanically where was the vigsoft btw I missed it killing the div law is definitely not edj's only play if you kill one of the lovers you have 5v1 with 3 clears ->4v1 with 3 clears (after town kill) ->3v1 with 2 clears (after night kill) ->2v1 with 2 clears (after mylo town kill) ->game end after night kill ("clear" includes me) I suspect if you are scum, you focused on just getting the two kills in one night from the matchmake without fully counting out that the number of days of townkills are the same not entirely sure what "Also when you have 3 heads in a scumteam it's much more likely for a soft to be found + pointed out, + if I noticed that, why would I ever try to soft because of chronological order of posts? In that sense it quite literally says 'If I had knowledge that PTSD was softing, why would I try to do something risky?" means |
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 18:04:43 GMT
BRO CAN YOU STOP LETTING OM DIE litteleven GARY IS THE KILL HERE om is town and shouldn't die/won't die if town doesn't throw, it's literally 2 rvs votes + scept there is a vig who knows what to do, so don't worry and play the gamestate this basically much more subtle but this getting nothing out of it is also why the second's blown out and more open basically so scum would find it more easily on a reread there. vig claiming makes this irrelevant in hindsight too, but yeah |
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 18:07:49 GMT
if i had that much planned into the game as scum, why wouldn't I just actually step up activity and control town lynches, especially because I was a unitr till that point? It's just that sitting on two fakesofts for 3 days in irl time is hardly going to fit into my scumgame when there's so much I could do, and to jump from that to PR sniping and making a perfect play is not a logical progression as we've established sniping the divorcer there is not perfect play when a lover kill is free but more importantly if I can't justify you making that play, how I am supposed to justify edj, who is honestly fumbling around in this game (admitted due to irl reasons), making that play, on top of needing to read that you are not the divorcer? I also think "sitting on two fakesofts for 3 days in irl time" is a mischaracterization of what actually occurred. Those two fakesofts take up like 2 lines of content of the total sum of posts you made in those days, hardly enough to just call those days time spent idly standing by. There are lots of reasons why your activity might not be as high as the optimal play would be, from irl reasons to lack of interest and I can't reasonably read into it. |
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 18:25:56 GMT
oh this makes sense isn't killing div law the only play for scum!edje there though? Because they literally are far behind enough that if they miskill onto a vt they lose to auto there. Also when you have 3 heads in a scumteam it's much more likely for a soft to be found + pointed out, + if I noticed that, why would I ever try to soft because of chronological order of posts? In that sense it quite literally says 'If I had knowledge that PTSD was softing, why would I try to do something risky?" There is absolutely no reason for me to take that risk when I can immediately retract my claim the next day or kill a conf town lover who's on , simply cause the number of days of lynches are the same more likely from that position that edje banked it all on that play, or noticed my failed vigsoft d1 that paired up in behaviour to conclusively say 'litt is bad and fakesofting' tldr the kill is always a misplay and I will never make that there, mechanically where was the vigsoft btw I missed it killing the div law is definitely not edj's only play if you kill one of the lovers you have 5v1 with 3 clears ->4v1 with 3 clears (after town kill) ->3v1 with 2 clears (after night kill) ->2v1 with 2 clears (after mylo town kill) ->game end after night kill ("clear" includes me) I suspect if you are scum, you focused on just getting the two kills in one night from the matchmake without fully counting out that the number of days of townkills are the same not entirely sure what "Also when you have 3 heads in a scumteam it's much more likely for a soft to be found + pointed out, + if I noticed that, why would I ever try to soft because of chronological order of posts? In that sense it quite literally says 'If I had knowledge that PTSD was softing, why would I try to do something risky?" means it is, though? there are four town that have mentioned wanting to vote blurb and you want to thin as many as you can before lylo, improved by breaking a persons towncase through pr snipe that way 'I suspect if you are scum, you focused on just getting the two kills in one night from the matchmake without fully counting out that the number of days of townkills are the same ' same perspective, why not matchmaker my divorce read with the other lover which is much safer from my pov, when literally killing the divorce lawyer has ruined my gamestate this much? If I had the same info and was playing as a scum slot I'm not going to fuck over my game so i can wifom it later, it's more that you should recognise that the kill has negatively affected my gamestate and that is something that even I would expect as scum. Edje on the other hand has every right to play as confused as he seems because that action clears him from being associated with the kill there |
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 18:28:16 GMT
think i messed up the ptsd logic because his soft is all the way after my post. retract statement
3 heads are better than 1 as in mafia's OC chat can figure out softs, i.e OM or blurb could've left that pointer there, rather than it being simply a pure product of edje's thoughtspace from there
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 18:38:19 GMT
I think it is very plausible that you did not make the correct nightkill in this game
vote litt
if edj doesn't show up i will claim a victory in spirit
if edj is scum i will cry that i lost to an afk player in lylo
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 18:39:05 GMT
 for good luck |
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 18:47:18 GMT
can't believe town has to rely on a bad sleep schedule to win
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
can't believe town has to rely on a bad sleep schedule to win
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 18:49:03 GMT
can't believe town has to rely on a bad sleep schedule to win if edj doesn't show up and is scum i will claim a defeat in spirit |
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 18:52:12 GMT
fair enough
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 19:00:24 GMT
I think we are in twilight now
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Post by chapterseven on Dec 12, 2020 19:30:15 GMT
Apologies yeah this is deadline
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Post by chapterseven on Dec 12, 2020 19:32:24 GMT
so Edjean gets lynched by plur
since he didn't place a vote on anyone
meaning Litt and Quojova the last two remaining town members win
again i'd like to apologize for the inactive ass host i gave and missed a couple of deadlines but this is game end
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Post by quojova on Dec 12, 2020 19:34:50 GMT
defeat
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Post by chapterseven on Dec 12, 2020 19:34:52 GMT
Idk how Edjean choked the easiest victory of his life but ok Link to the deadchat discord.gg/CejTU7My |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Dec 12, 2020 19:36:11 GMT
gg
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Post by litteleven on Dec 12, 2020 19:52:11 GMT
mad
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