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Post by cyan on Jul 7, 2022 3:43:42 GMT
fuck pac all my homies hate pac you had all of yesterday to get a feel of the game. this comment is hilariously low-effort and after the chaos that was d1 i'd expect at least one read from you that you're pursuing. please try harder. anyways, i keep my promises Vote Sylveon & Randoyou, sir, have much to explain. a good chunk of the remaining 2/3 were able to have a very passionate and productive discussion in the first day, where there was exactly no info to go off of. saying that there's nothing right now when people were shooting out blocks of text literally two days ago is just being disingenuous, and acting like there's nothing you can do is at best a show of ignorance and at worst a poor attempt to disengage yourself from the game. you're not trying to progress the game in any meaningful way. please read back on pages 10-15 and give us some thoughts on, at the very least, the sylv v. pac dynamic and how its advocates on each side made their points. did anyone seem like they were leading the wagon for a free kill? was there anyone refused to give anything that wasn't regurgitated by someone else already? one fierce wagon contest and a few flips should be enough information to at least start talking. what part of it was expected? like if you had a nagging feeling sylv was PR then you clearly took something out of D1. please tell me you fished out more opinions along with it Here's a list of your charges: - Responding poorly to pressure, i.e. voicing out an unnatural amount of stress whenever someone pushes against you
- Counterpoint: This is because I'm the role cop. Obviously I would be stressed about dying.
- Deflecting your own wagon onto pac without being vocal enough of why that wagon was viable in the first place
- Counterpoint: I'm bad at communication.
- Dropping off two reads you made early on the game (on ohsnapa and sporeis) in favour of pac's wagon
- Counterpoint: What the fuck does this even mean? That was the beginning of the day! It
- Being a grammar nazi (a significant chunk of your iso revolves around stuff like poor formatting, misspellings and things that have zero bearing on the game and aren't even important in terms of effective communication)
- Counterpoint: That was a few messages. And I have a lot of messages I would think.
Comments in purple! Dark mode supremacy. except for point 1, none of these are counterpoints. they're excuses. then again, they give legitimacy to erry's post about you being potatotown Unvote: Sylveon & Rando
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Post by cyan on Jul 7, 2022 3:05:56 GMT
because list formatting is botched, i'm making an addendum here
the list above consists solely of technical scumtells, i.e. abstract concepts that apply to games regardless of what happens. i'm going to leave the game-specific stuff to everyone else, but simply by looking at your responses to other players, it's not easy to infer that you seem to be more concerned for your own survival than for any tangible form of scumhunting.
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Post by cyan on Jul 7, 2022 3:02:43 GMT
fuck pac all my homies hate pac you had all of yesterday to get a feel of the game. this comment is hilariously low-effort and after the chaos that was d1 i'd expect at least one read from you that you're pursuing. please try harder. anyways, i keep my promises Vote Sylveon & Randoyou, sir, have much to explain. You also have much to explain. Specifically: What I need to explain. Here's a list of your charges: - Responding poorly to pressure, i.e. voicing out an unnatural amount of stress whenever someone pushes against you
- Deflecting your own wagon onto pac without being vocal enough of why that wagon was viable in the first place
- Dropping off two reads you made early on the game (on ohsnapa and sporeis) in favour of pac's wagon
- Being a grammar nazi (a significant chunk of your iso revolves around stuff like poor formatting, misspellings and things that have zero bearing on the game and aren't even important in terms of effective communication)
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Post by cyan on Jul 7, 2022 2:51:26 GMT
fuck pac all my homies hate pac I feel sad about pac , In retrospect , should have noticed talking about bg randomly was odd. I would want to get a feel of everyone in the game today So, vote Litteleven[\b[you had all of yesterday to get a feel of the game. this comment is hilariously low-effort and after the chaos that was d1 i'd expect at least one read from you that you're pursuing. please try harder. anyways, i keep my promises Vote Sylveon & Randoyou, sir, have much to explain. |
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Post by cyan on Jul 5, 2022 2:24:11 GMT
i mean if we had a ww i'd call the interactions between them maf v. ww. it's just that both are playing anti-town, but if we take that to mean that both aren't town, they're also most likely playing anti-scum
only scenario where this doesn't count is if sylv is maf rb
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Post by cyan on Jul 5, 2022 2:02:36 GMT
botched formatting but whatever.
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Post by cyan on Jul 5, 2022 2:01:41 GMT
still not seeing anything of note from pac, they're kinda just doubling down on everything they said. and also i have no clue if it's a normal thing for town to withhold reads so as to not trigger flags in other players. i certainly don't think it's a consideration in the early game. speaking of withholding reads or some shit, i have another read on you but i cant be fucking bothered to quote anything old so imma just ok earlier we had an interaction where i was asking you "what the fuck are those replies" and at the end of that you said "let us end this conversation then lol" or some shit along those lines you see that triggered my spidey tingly sensies. after that, like, after a few lines, you said "i might be digging my own grave here" then you yadayada gave more reads. i'd just like to call out that. - you realized you were digging your own grave by asking me those questions that werent actually proper replies, - you insisted we stop talking about it. i pay it no attention because i cant be wasting my fucking time - after that you "dig" your own grave INTENTIONALLY so why the fuck did you stop digging your grave accidentally only to dig your grave intentionally later on like you realized you were being fucked, but then you didnt realize how fucked you were, so after the moment passed you just, you, like, lmao, like you just decided to fuck yourself over, by deciding, like, dude i cant even fucking type this sentence without laughing but i hope you get the point mainly because i prefer to have control over when and where i fuck up. helps me get my points across. i contradict my playstyle whenever i feel like it in order to make sure my points (and yours, in this case) get through to everyone else as cleanly as possible. i was explaining your case on me because i needed to explain it in clear words to spore who was on track to accidentally misrepresent your case on me as a tonal read call me a prophet because i speak nothing but the truth I'm not gonna bother writing out an actual case against Pac, there's plenty of those already going around. Instead, I'd like to point out a few interactions between our two current wagons, Pac and Sylv. As far as I'm aware, the only person who has a different username than on PS is spore, but it's super obvious who he is. Idk who erry is though. What the hell does ftr mean? And you vote snapa when I currently was voting spore?!?! This makes no sense. Okay, pac is also suspicious. IDK who to trust here As far as I'm concerned the first two messages here are meaningless and just serve to make it look like you had more to say about Pac, leading up to you saying they're suspicious, than you actually have. As for the final message, I'm quite confused as to why Pac voting Snapa while Slyv was on Spore makes any difference here, yet that's the sole evidence presented in this post before leading up to the conclusion that Pac is suspicious. The post almost comes across as if Slyv was expecting Pac to follow their vote. The ending line sticks out a lot to me though, the phrasing "Okay, pac is also suspicious" is phrased as if Pac is only just now being tacked on to their sus list, while the following line "IDK who to trust here" additionally implies that they must've had some trust in Pac to begin with. Assuming this is the case, this feels like such a weird pivot of suspicion to go from, at least mildy, trusting someone to suddenly making a post against them (one with no evidence to even justify it as well, as previously mentioned). i'm willing to bet that you are instead looking at a case of sylveon skimming through the game and writing out whatever came to mind in the quick reply box. but then again, hanlon's razor isn't bulletproofThis feels like a lazy attempt at helping bolster a wagon other than the one on Slyv themselves so they can be relieved of a bit of pressure. +1. if we're talking about pac's wagon, sylv generally has barked louder than he's bitten. he wants pac out in a way that feels very much like a half-baked attempt to deflect.After this, Sylv went on a war path against Pac, however, Pac's only reply to these posts sounds very calm, largely just discussing the specifics of the strategy they had proposed early in the game rather than actually fighting back: I meant that the mafia rb would be contradicting the mafia through out the game in day (chat) smh not just on the kill which is why I asked them to clear cyan, for me they are capable of suggesting this or being the mafia rb'er themselves. But that is again pmeta. They would avoid as many interaction with the rb'er person cuz it is literally their hugest asset, having em linked with any of the mafia goons would be dumb and if they can't rb cop or other pr's it would heavily impact their chances to win. As far as the night action talk goes, yes I should have revisited you raised a valid point which I overlooked though I would just like to bring "assume the townie we demanded got cleared as a townie" to light as a rule for town so we cannot demand cop claims d2 just to clear a townie or so and bring attention to potential cop. The latter on you saying they will get killed then let me rephrase it cop gets to know the exact role so we can cop someone till we get the mafia rb'er though getting a consensus on who has to be the one who gets copped or checked will help alot so we can keep track of who could have been or could have not been mafia goons. And if they try to kill em again a conf townie they are gonna waste a nk. You can extract whatever you want from this but yeh. Also if, hypothetically, I am a mafia then where are and who are my partners? Pac's following message largely explained their thoughts on each of the players: Also as for the ohsnapa shift I never pushed it or actively pursued it. I switched to nv cuz it seemed to me the best call since at that time I had no debatable cases on anyone other than pmeta and wanted to deal with it genuinely after the n1 results come and post my analysis based on that. But all the same I would explain why I hadn't given any reads too, when the game started 4 people were active when I saw the announcement ohsnapa, mib, sylv and spor, the rvs call by sylv, getting on me traversing through all the other 3 ACTIVE players in less than an hour or so made me doubt they were aligned with any of them and cyan and erry coming and cooling things down made em seem towny and atm my reads would have been nothing but pmeta and other is sus, like sylv was doing, so yeh nothing of contribution could have been formed off them so I thought the most help I could give atm was by proposing ideas or scenarios. Thought all the same ohsnapa gave up shitposting and seems genuinely contributed which makes em a tr for me, cyan giving off townleading vibes with his consistent aid and requesting others to form paragraphs etc (this contradicts with my above statement of cyan ik, but I wanna be sure they aren't pulling a 1000iq play they are smart as mafia), erry idk, MIM has been trying and sylv has been doing nothing but pursuing people as individuals and forming arguments based off their certain playstyle though that one line about shiftvoting despite they have deviated from it lol, makes me wanna tr em. I can't quite form reads on others I haven't seen em in ps so it is weird and new. The rest is that I am hesitant to post my reads on people cuz ik they impact alot for the X person in the read and might change the scenario of the game if they are scum or town and opposite to what I posted about them, so yeh trying to play safe. What I find really interesting about this is their analysis of Sylv, "sylv has been doing nothing but pursuing people as individuals and forming arguments based off their certain playstyle though that one line about shiftvoting despite they have deviated from it lol, makes me wanna tr em." The logic here makes absolutely no sense to me, most of the posts where Sylv has been "pursuing people as individuals" they've literally just been saying the most surface level things (not even actually related to the game) such as consistently correcting people's grammar instead of forming real reads. can we also note that "doing nothing but pursuing people as individuals and forming arguments based off their certain playstyle" isn't even town-AI behaviour? your attempt to dissect it has not helped me understand pac or their intentions in any wayAfter the "positives" of Sylv they also listed a negative, but I find it interesting that the negative they listed was just that they didn't stick to their guns about shiftvoting despite there being literally pages of people talking about negatives and suspicious activity related to Sylv. It honestly feels like they wanted to find a reason to TR Sylv, but just couldn't so they tried to make them sound better than they actually were and used it as justification for their town read. At this point I'm beginning to believe that Slyv pushing Pac so hard is done for two reasons, firstly to help alleviate pressure on themselves, but also to make it very clear that Sylv is strongly against Pac, which would also explain very blatantly bold lines such as "More info about the Pac n cheese bandwagon. Let's make this an official wagon, guys!" that honestly just stick out like a sore thumb. *Conclusions* As for why they'd want to make it abhorrently clear that they're against Pac, I'm inclined to believe its because they may be a scum team and since both of them were being pushed here (with good odds that one of them gets voted off) it could very well help save face for the other if people believe they're not connected. Looking at Pac's side of things, if we do assume that Pac is scum here, then we know that they attempted to align themselves with 6 "town," however, if they really are scum then the idea that all 6 of those players really are town feels a bit farfetched to me. It makes much more sense for them to propose a plan like that if they had at least one other scum in the 6 to help back them up, additionally, the way they phrased it feels like a bad attempt at trying to clear everyone in that group, in a sense (which could imply an attempt at clearing a partner as well). One of the 6 in question was Slyv. Going back to their interactions with them, they largely glanced over Sylv hard-pushing them as if not actually worried about it and then proceeded to list some half-baked reasons as to why they believe Sylv is town. It really feels like they're trying to avoid extra suspicion on Sylv by not fighting back and also giving them that TR. tldr; I believe its entirely possible that Slyv and Pac could be a scum team here. I'm going to Vote Pac here, regardless of how this flips I believe we gain a ton of information out of it based on the interactions so far. if you want to take this a step further, i think it wouldn't be a stretch to say that sylv is the maf rb given these interactions. following your train of thought, sylv wants attention off themselves and onto pac, while pac doesn't mind - i doubt two goons would behave this way, so we've really got to work with the fact that either they're incompatible or sylv is rb.
then again, this is your train of thought (or at least my interpretation of it). i'd like to know why you've decided to vote pac in this situation.
personally i still think we should treat sylv v. pac as svt because while you could make an argument for them having a common goal, their utter lack of coherence is just not something a mafia team as a whole would've approved of. why would sylv deflect attention onto a partner in the first place, unless sylv was rb? and are we sure sylv is rb?aight so like, not rlly in the mood to do this shit rn, but i feel like sylv is using a lot of appeal to emotion their lines use a lot of passive aggressive yet this kind of uhhhhhhh, fuck how do i describe it. it's like you want to give them pity because of how they're sounding, like, you can tell they're very nervous right now, their lines display out of place tones. this is noticeable in some cases You say I'm trying to sound nervous, but you're also saying "uhhh, how do I describe it" like you've been forced to talk in front of a classroom full of kids, with no script ready. Sounds like hypocrisy!
there's a massive difference between being emotional and appealing to emotion. it feels like snap is just typing things out in a way that emulates conversational language (as he tends to do in realtime chat mafia) as opposed to the calculated and direct style of forum play.
and like
this is his first game
you are literally trying to push someone for communicating in a human manner
that is not how AtE works
for example, - they put exclamation marks in places that probably shouldnt be there - for example, making comments about doing fish - commenting about how stressful forums is - and other shit like that Snapa, that's me being energetic. You're projecting.
and are we going to talk about the time you pushed snap for being "uuuuhhhhh idk" over all you would think these are really simple lines and shouldn't be looked into but the more you see more of these lines the more you'll realize that these lines are very very very off putting. like, it makes you ask why the fuck they exist, like, why are they saying these lines, i cant say they're filler because filler is less useful than these, if anything they're very weird reactionsWhy did it take you so much words just to say "These lines are weird IMO" Oh, I know! You're trying to sound nervous!!! Btw, I only made three of these lines!!!!! This is over exaggeration.it's one of those lines that you will give a null read about at first glance, but when you actually start reading them, it gives you this gut feeling that you're unable to describe them. - they also make uhhhhhhhhh, fuck what's it called, they make lines that are out of character or out of place, you know? like More obvious emotional appeal. This is starting to seem like padding. - i mean it's not really in character of sylveon to say shit like "oh let's go see blah blah blah" or some other shit Neither is it in character of you. I'm just adapting to forum mafia's longer day talk and more information in each read.dude, i dont fucking know how to describe sylveon 100% analytically but tldr; they're just very off putting, their lines are so out of place, but I know for a fact that Sylveon isn't calm. Sylveon is either nervous or panicky, they're not panicking, but they're panicky. That's in PS Mafia, where we don't have 2 entire days worth of daytime. Also, we can see lines as they're being sent on Showdown.
mmib is just, dude i dont know what to say about mmib honestly, but what I do know is that mmib is very consistent.Again, the green text is just annoying. Also, you could just remove the non green text, and you'd still get the same effect.mmib knows that I tr them, which isn't normal, which he knows but despite this fact, they never change their tone even by a bit when continuing to speak. each line possesses the same aura and confidence, which is what a townie would do. Even if a scum member would be confident like a townie that would be very hard to pull off and would personally require tremendous skill. This is heavily based on who's confident. Well, in your eyes. Your eyes that can't tell the difference between nervousness and energeticness.right now i think mmib is just the towniest here, along with erry, but i havent kept up with reading erry You're padding this claim by talking about erry for a second. I'm gonna need to make a version where I take out all the padding and boil it down to the most fundamental concepts.i know for a fact that some people are sussing out mmib for some reason, but this just proves my point even further despite mmib being thought suspiscious of, they still remain in their consistent posture. This is bullshit. Nobody's suspicious about him here.there is one flaw about this explanation though, it's that mmib was inconsistent, but i only found one inconsistency it was when they said they were going to sleep, came back and read my line about this whole fucking, like, ohsnapa's scale, or some shit, then kept using the scale as a means of displaying reads, I argee, that's inconsistent. What's also inconsistent is you refering to yourself in the third person.other than that i think they're fairly townieSnapa's text might look normal now, but from this point on in the original post, the text was black. This was definitely not on accident either.i think my most interesting read in this segment: One of Zach and Shadow are scum / both are highly likely to not be alignedThis is the most normal read, actually. Less padding, and actually decent points. I don't have the time to cover it rn, however. I need a break.Zach's first few lines are particularly aggressive. Not really aggressive, only particularly. This doesn't always indicate townie behavior. But in the case of Zach, it's simply different. Zach's read on Pac caught my attention, not because of their read particularly, but by the tone and method of their reading. It's clear that Zach's approach to reading Pac was aggressive. Personally, put simply, a scum member would not start their approach of D1 like Zach would do. (But I may be wrong, but I'm inclined to believe that Zach is towny here simply because of their tone and attacking style). Personally, a scum member would start their day off by being calm and collected. This isn't always the case, but take a look at Shadow's lines. On the side of shadoweavile, we see them approach D1 as calmly as possible, which is fine by town's standard, this doesn't necessarily mean that Shadow is scum. But if we take a look at town's whole aura right now, it's fairly tense. In conclusion, Shadow's the exact opposite of what Zach is, and this doesn't tell us that one of them is scum, but by looking at the whole interaction between all members of town, and with the aura of town, I can say that not only was Shadow's reads very lacking and lazily written, I can also conclude that they're very scummy in comparison to Zach. But this could be applied in the reverse as well. Zach could be scum for having an aggressive starting approach to D1, while Shadow can be a town member having a calm approach to D1. If anything, I would want to see shadow and Zach play more, and see if they're both consistent with their tones and reads. Overall: One of Zach and Shadow are scum. Leaning Shadow as scummy between them. this read really feels like something i pulled out of my fucking ass but i really think shadow is scummy for their tones and overall aura when paired with town. They're not with the town when we look at it from a playing style approach.
zach is very much with town if we look at it from a playing style approachAs always, comments are in purple! Gonna work on the trimmed down version. so uh. save for the bit about zach v. shadow, i seriously feel like this one post is sylv trying to antagonize snap by making them sound evil without really going into any detail as to what makes snap's style of communication scummy. i mean i'm actually even more inclined to townread snap now because this response has negative merit tl;dr sylv v pac is best thought of at least svt. sylv v snap is best thought of as likely svt. i'm giving sylveon one whole day of breathing room before his ass gets hunted to death. use it wisely. |
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Post by cyan on Jul 4, 2022 15:04:09 GMT
still not seeing anything of note from pac, they're kinda just doubling down on everything they said.
and also i have no clue if it's a normal thing for town to withhold reads so as to not trigger flags in other players. i certainly don't think it's a consideration in the early game.
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Post by cyan on Jul 4, 2022 7:06:41 GMT
so yeah i feel like the optimal move here (yes zach i'm sorry) is to vote one of sylv and pac and i think sylv is better equipped to explain/incriminate themselves in the future
UNVOTE: Sylveon & Rando
VOTE: pacncheese
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Post by cyan on Jul 4, 2022 7:05:03 GMT
Btw why is there a wagon on me rn? Pac has been acting more suspicious, and yet he has only one vote! Meanwhile, all I did is make a couple of reads that people don't like and I have four votes? while the rest of the PL gets to reiterate their reads in response to this i'm like REALLY not a fan of you trying to summarize the wagon on you as "i made a couple of reads that people don't like" you're basically sidestepping all of the jazz about your awkward tone, the lack of depth behind your early double-read, and more recently, your vote on ohsnapa that has since shifted onto a wagon on pac n cheese. i'm not approaching this game by looking for optimal moves. i'm approaching this game by looking for player motives. voting sylv was part of my pressure game, and while it did not give me any info from sylv, it does give me some insight about you (i.e. that you're either sylveon's partner or both of you are town). ftr the level of depth behind zach's posts show intent to solve, but that one interaction with sylv just rubs me off as wrong they're also a primary wagon so we've got a lot of time to work with things before i make any final decisions<abbr> I get how that interaction can be interpreted poorly. Hopefully my other response kinda clear that up. I respect voting sylv as a means of pressure. Players like this crack under pressure, and I think they've already started to do so a little bit. Since I'm unfamiliar to forum mafia, I didn't think that placing a vote on someone could be a means of pressure, only a means stating your intent to vote them out. I've admittedly been kinda confused as to why so many votes have gone around day 1, but after reading this, it makes more sense. I'll keep that in mind and try to be more aware of strategies that I've never seen before.</abbr><abbr> I also think there are two wagons right now. Sylv and pac, and we need to look into them more. I'm still waiting for pac to get to what I said about them.</abbr> placing a vote on someone is absolutely pressure if they're a solo focal wagon, i show intent to disengage, and i make wallposts attacking sylveon alongside the vote. my stance still stands; sylveon is (as erry mentioned before) playing poorly in a way that doesn't match the intentions of either alignment. speaking of which, you should offer your own reads. if you had to vote on a whim, who would you pick out of sylv and pac and why? Pac n cheese is sus: Part Two (Electric Boogaloo) Cop on cyan, body on cyan and rb on syvl imo, The safest thing will be to assume that mafia rb will be acting alone contradicting the mafia goons. "Maf RB's target will contradict the kill!" No shit, Sherlock. Scum wouldn't want to RB the person getting killed, because, well, they're getting killed. Also, both cop and bodyguard on cyan?! What?!?! Most of the time, you don't want to protect the person who you sr, because, well, you think they're scum. And scum should not, can not, and will not kill themselves. Besides, I thought you said that everyone in the first 7 people to talk group was town in your eyes? Unless you think that cyan is the "one scum in our group if there is any". Will be best if we did this with a consensus and unless d2 or future days the cop doesn't claim and call someone for being scum, We will assume that person we demanded got cleared as a townie. Body on that said person to at least get some conf town players alive to act as a medium of trust for the days. Will help isolating the iso's and interactions from my perspective Okay, but maf can just try to kill them again, right? And if they're scum, then rest of maf will kill the cop claim. ---- More info about the Pac n cheese bandwagon. Let's make this an official wagon, guys! look mate if you want to get attention off of you you don't make it blatant as fuck. also, this is all pointing out disagreements towards pac's attempt at driving night actions to produce some form of optimal results. not flaws. not reads. not evidence. the only dimension of thought put into pac's night action suggestions appears to be "i don't know what cyan's alignment is so let's get cop and bg on them to be safe on both sides" and you're trying to portray all of it as scummy with the finesse of an overeating child in their first yoga class at most you've proven pac to be dumb. zach, among others, has made better cases on why pac might be scum. it's kinda fucking, like, it's kinda fuckng hard to pick up where i left off, like, idk man it just feels kinda weird i thought we'd have someone dead by now but this shit lasts for another like, 12 hours or some shit it's called burnout go take your mind off the game for a bit and come back when you're ready |
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Post by cyan on Jul 4, 2022 2:25:32 GMT
should probably put it out here that i am no longer confident to any extent that sylveon & rando is scum because the slapdash play is leaning slightly into town panic behaviour. still, we can get something out of this Unvote pacncheese[\b]
Vote Sylveon & Rando[\b]Why vote sylveon when you admit that their play is leaning toward town panic over being scummy. Do you think that erry's posts are just a ploy for scum to try and cover their own ass by sylveon just going around and saying dumb stuff. If that's the case, why would you call out angel for voting erry when a vote for erry day 1 (under that logic) would get us somewhere. I respected your aggressiveness as it actually got the game somewhere, but this confuses me.
i'm not approaching this game by looking for optimal moves. i'm approaching this game by looking for player motives. voting sylv was part of my pressure game, and while it did not give me any info from sylv, it does give me some insight about you (i.e. that you're either sylveon's partner or both of you are town). ftr the level of depth behind zach's posts show intent to solve, but that one interaction with sylv just rubs me off as wrong they're also a primary wagon so we've got a lot of time to work with things before i make any final decisions I had some posts selected and they all disappeared , that sucks Anyway let me see what I had in mind that one post of PacnCheese gave off bad vibes, Erry and Cyan are likely not in a team , and I rather liked Erry's take on Sylv vote pacncheeseohsnapa sounds like a nice guy These two post giving me scum vibes. Vote chaostrodonHere a Hot take of mine: pacncheese probably fits the Archetype of a typical town with unpopular opinions / prone to Mis-voting. What are your thoughts on it. i'm sorry, but pac's "unpopular opinions" have all been stuff like game advice, mass buddying and i feel like an aversion to playing the game in general. if pac had their head in their ass pushing someone then maybe this take would've made sense. good call on chaos though |
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Post by cyan on Jul 4, 2022 2:18:26 GMT
there have been 7 people who have posted till now and given some sort of read, I feel like the best call would be to trust one another this 7 group: snapa, me, sylv, spore, cyan, memory, erry. All I can see in this is that they have either tr'ed or sr'ed each other ruling out the fact that this cannot contain a whole 4 mafia scum faction. With clearing others from this point on, we should assume us a town and pursue the other 9 group as a potential full or half of scum faction. With that we would be able to get a scum for sure and then we can align our reads according to their logs and get the scum in our group if there is one. Dude what? Saying this not only implies that there has been nothing of merit going on and that all discussion going on has been pointless, but that you REALLY wanna make allies with people instead of naturally doing so.
thank fuck someone put it in words
There has, in fact been so much of substance going on that there can be reasonable reads made. For example, the way the cyan and snap discussion ended made it seem that they're of the same alignment (or at least they're reading each other as their own alignment). Despite going back and forth for a while, they came to the same conclusion and agreed about what they were disputing over. If they thought they weren't of the same alignment, whatever they were arguing over would still be going on now and be going nowhere. Trying to discourage that from happens seems, at the very least weird, and at the very most scummy. What was your thought process behind this?
(idk how to quote multiple things at a time so bear with me) settings drop-down menu on top-left of a post gives you the option to "select post". select a bunch of posts and hit the reply button at the end of the thread, and you're good to go
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Jul 3, 2022 0:36:38 GMT -4 pacncheese said:
all I am proposing is that there is a chance that none of us are scum and this progresses into nothing but sprouting doubts b/w others, making the game difficult and lacking in trust
More of what are you even trying to say? Like huh???
Jul 3, 2022 0:39:29 GMT -4 pacncheese said:
I feel like we ought to face the fact that none of the active ones yet have formed any kind alignment for a potential scum team or duo or w/e.
How can this even be a valid conclusion at this point in the game? so many people have been talking and disagreeing with each other and most importantly, YOU, and you haven't done anything to address it. I'm not susing you yet, I just want to know why you would say this and the other two posts?
Sorry if I'm wasting my time by focusing on what was ultimately supposed to be a poorly done attempt at filler.
responses in cyanbut what i'm more interested in saying is this: pac bad i still sr them etc. i'm going to go against zach here and say that pac's previous few lines reek of this "guys let's get along" vibe that i doubt a townie would ever adopt. the game revolves around scumhunting ffs by talking about the possibility that the people who had already posted at the time of pac's post were all town, i can only assume pac was trying to get them to shift attention off themselves. i can only theorize that pac is trying to defuse one or two interactions in particular, but went about it in a way that feels more scum-AI than town-AI. and also pac never said anything of importance in the meanwhile. i'm not the type to delve into the "why would they say X" stuff for posts like that, but i respect you for it. Im caught up and ngl it was a little painful trying to read all that. Very well put post. what do you think of the people who are seemly trying to get Sylveon & Rando voted. Do you think they are misguided town? and maybe a opportunity to jump on a favorable read. Did I miss something here. I thought you were pushing for player meta? Interesting Vote, and choice of words "manipulating"I like this Entry post. notice that if i trim out the post content from just about all of what kliff quoted, the comments they made look like textbook communication. sl on kliff. i should not be able to understand whatever points you are making without the context you're placing them behind. you have not solved the puzzle. If you saw my reply to mem's reply to that, you would know that I meant mem was making reads that had no merit. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to edit my posts to prevent the confusion. Yeah I realized that you clarified this after I posted. My apologies for asking it again.
I am curious about something though. After you were suspected to just be an anxious town member, you continued to respond to people and talk when you could've just taken the town read and ran with it. You only said things to incriminate yourself more and now you have people scum reading you. Your suspicion of and responding to mem is what I'm referring to. What reads are you referring to when you say his reads have no merit? If anything it seems like he was just pointing out that shadow's reads have no merit (which I kind of agree with he just came outta nowhere and posted some stuff after reading the thread) instead of trying to make baseless reads of his own. Am I missing something?
Also I know you already replied to this, but why try and attempt to defuse a situation that didn't need defusing at all? That seemed weird.
i can't tell if zach is being genuine here or trying to sarcastically suggest that sylveon & rando is town. "After you were suspected to just be an anxious town member, you continued to respond to people and talk when you could've just taken the town read and ran with it." you're probably not scum trying to coach a partner, but this line looks like scum trying to coach a partner. either that or it's trying to imply without stating that sylv is doing something no scum would do. I'm gonna retreive the original message with the edits from cyan. It'll have to be in a separate post, however. Yes it was an rvs when i read this my blood immediately started boiling but thank you for reconsidering down the line now go make a vote i can respect |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 16:52:17 GMT
should probably put it out here that i am no longer confident to any extent that sylveon & rando is scum because the slapdash play is leaning slightly into town panic behaviour. still, we can get something out of this
Unvote pacncheese[\b]
Vote Sylveon & Rando[\b]
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 16:50:35 GMT
not a single of these reads shows intent to read into the game btw - if you're going to talk about ohsnapa's thinking process, point out parts of it. otherwise, you're just pocketing. - your reads on both kliff and spore come across as being there for the sake of being there. no substance - your primary scumread is that mmib is... wagoning with extra steps. you're also not justifying your read here by saying it "feels to you as scum" because you have negative reasons to believe sylveon is town in the first place like you can't have come off of 5 pages of meaningful dialogue and come up with this shit because it's woefully underdeveloped I find the mmib is kinda random.. but early pages were filler and shit posting so i dont blame him for lacking detail in his reads. stop with the euphemisms, mate. these aren't the reads of someone who skimmed through 5 pages of text trying to make sense of the game. these are placeholders put in by someone who didn't even bother.Cyan on the other hand, is coming out super aggressive after the general consensus is that he isnt trying and hasnt been here. The was litrally a post that said cop cyan and bodyguard cyan on this same page. Did this make cyan nervous? am i not allowed to be aggressive right now or am i supposed to be aggressive from Post 1?In terms of sr and tr, everyone is mostly null for me. Read early pages but didnt bother on alot of ohsnapas 1 sentence shit post tbh. Vote ErryCop should inspect cyan. yes i wob if you're going to follow up a "everyone is null" with a vote, i'm inclined to assume it's RVS. if you're RVSing this late in the game, i beseech you to reconsider.I find the mmib is kinda random.. but early pages were filler and shit posting so i dont blame him for lacking detail in his reads. Cyan on the other hand, is coming out super aggressive after the general consensus is that he isnt trying and hasnt been here. The was literally a post that said cop cyan and bodyguard cyan on this same page. Did this make cyan nervous? I saw that message. It was shit. Also, bodyguard on you is good for scum too, right? And you forget that scum RB exists, right? They can block the cop, and then just not care about the bodyguard because they dont give a shit about being docced.
just about everything is wrong about this response, mainly that:
- you responded in the first place
- you assume scum!cy's team would be confident enough to get the cop blocked without fail
- i could just be town, guys?
In terms of sr and tr, everyone is mostly null for me. Read early pages but didnt bother on alot of ohsnapas 1 sentence shit post tbh. This is your first message though as far as I'm aware! Telling people to look at early pages can't explain your reads unless:
A: You tell people what to look for.
B: You said something in the early pages that proves your point!
You did neither. How can we tell what your read means when we have to waste time focusing on past events instead of people's current accusations?+1 on this angle of questioning, btw. really need angel to deliver some follow-ups otherwise i'm assuming angel v. sylveon is a hard svtVote ErryCop should inspect cyan. yes i wob And then you vote erry despite not even talking about them at all? Why?!?!maybe you are scum! i dont see how it can be so stressful when you have 2-3 votes on you out of many players... Ignoring the fact that there was only 3 other players online. When everybody currently in chat think's you're scum, it feels like everyone think's you're scum.this is like a pity excuse. "im making bad reads sorry everybody thinks im scum waah" It's more like "Sorry about making bad reads, I'll try to do better!" I don't need pity to become a better player!!!!im so sorry but that line feels like absolute bullshit. it seems to me like ur happy somebody pitied you and your now just riding along with it... Erry's message was not pity at all! It was constructive critism! And I took that constructive criticism!however well see how have things have changed later Wtf does this even mean? Also, fix your grammar. Aprostophes exist for a reason!half of this post is emotion. i'm not going to say that you shouldn't be emotional, but there is literally no substance to this set of counterattacks. i can summarize this entire interaction as mmib going "you're too tilted to be town rn" and sylv responding with even more tilt. which is funny.As you can see, I put my comments in purple. Honestly, I think cyan is a 5 here, angel is a 3, and mem's at -3. Snapa was at -2, so I'm voting mem! Vote: MemReads have no merit IMO, and the ominous message at the end creeps me out. GG I found scum!!! if by "reads" you mean "reads on you" then you have said nothing of valueOnce again, responses in cyan. Get dark mode or something. Let's all take a break and play 12pm fish! Forums can be stressing imo blatant defuse attempt but ok |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 13:27:25 GMT
I was told that editing is not allowed so please don’t forget the part where it says “ chunk of lines referenced:” you have all the incentive to just... format your post with forum tools also try out the colour text thing it's a great way to make your reads easier to process |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 13:25:01 GMT
reads (order from most towny to most scummy): leaning town: ohsnapa i feel has a towny thinking progress even if he shitposted a lot early day, he has a solid read on sylv null: Erry has one post of content and while the post is towny one post is not enough to be put in the town category spore has a lot of one-liners and shitposting messages Kliff posting a meme once and then proceeding to do nothing is weird, but not necessarily scum-indicative Sylveonrando's lines indicate that they are either scum or bad town. From their lines only I'd put them in the "leaning scum" section, but because it conflicts with my other, bigger scumread (mmib) I'm putting sylv in the null section. leaning scum: pacncheese's each and every post is filler Cyan Talon hasn't really participated that much or put pressure on anyone, their one vote is on the easiest guy to vote mymemoryisbad has a lot of one-liners early and then when someone (ohsnapa) starts making a push mmib pushes that further, which feels to me as scum (mmib) manipulating a town (snapa) into voting another town VOTE: mymemoryisbadnot a single of these reads shows intent to read into the game btw - if you're going to talk about ohsnapa's thinking process, point out parts of it. otherwise, you're just pocketing. - your reads on both kliff and spore come across as being there for the sake of being there. no substance - your primary scumread is that mmib is... wagoning with extra steps. you're also not justifying your read here by saying it "feels to you as scum" because you have negative reasons to believe sylveon is town in the first place like you can't have come off of 5 pages of meaningful dialogue and come up with this shit because it's woefully underdeveloped |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 7:41:17 GMT
posting my reads in 1-2 hours Also is there a way to see the votes other than counting them one-by-one? part 3 of asking people to get a pfp |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 5:08:49 GMT
oh yeah snap it's illegal to edit posts you might want to know
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 5:06:51 GMT
I feel like we ought to face the fact that none of the active ones yet have formed any kind alignment for a potential scum team or duo or w/e. ohsnapa has been disagreeing with you for half the length of the game. Ok, I may have to explain this, but the tone that you guys used when saying "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game" were DRASTICALLY different. While erry sounded as if they're a townie, like, a town member telling their fellow town members to play / send better lines so that they can read better and play better as well, you on the other hand, your way of saying "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game" was null. So, if you're surprised, I'm not actually thinking you're scum because of this, I think you're scum for other reasons. I think you're scum not mainly because of the portion where you said "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game", but your whole ISO (i dont know what the fuck to call it lmao) as a whole. You started off by saying that we should play properly, which is completely null. But then you made further null sounding lines, that arent actually null, in fact there was a tone in those lines. For example, you took a quote and asked a question which you have done nothing with. "i like this line, but i'd like to see the logic progress further. what do you think spore's intentions are here"If you were town you would have backtracked to this line and therefore would have progressed it, but no. Simply put, you're shooting at random directions. I can't specify it directly, but your ISO is mainly sending lines to other people, then switching to other people, then doing nothing with what you have. You are broad, which is townie, but you do nothing with what you have, which makes you scummier than you are town.this is just a really long a complicated tonal read? i don't care that i'm digging my own grave doing this, but snap's read is a combination of tone and playstyle here. focusing on the bold lines would tell you that their read consists of two parts: A. i don't appear to be town-motivated tonally; B. my angles of attack have been varied, but non-committal i.e. i'm looking in many directions and not following any paths i'm not sure where you get the idea that snap's post here was a pure toneread, because there's an entire paragraph dedicated to read B over here that i can only hope you missed on accident because you weren't reading it right also ohsnapa i'm working on it, dw. Okay: Spore is scum, Mem is null, and Snapa's acting scummy. Spore being scum: The sporemeta thing was funny the first time, but it's getting stale. Also, voting me for rvsing at the beginning is dumb. Snapa acting scummy: Yeah, the "Haha! I am big brain" is very annoying and it makes it hard to confirm/deny your reads. Also, you dont explain said reads. With that said: I'm changing to spore. At least snapa is kinda funny and making actual reads. Vote: Spore
Unvote: Mem I missed this. I would still categorize this as a surface - midrange read, "With that said: I'm changing to spore. At least snapa is kinda funny and making actual reads." now i know what sylv is talking about with the "keep it brief" thing, and honestly that's cool. if anything this makes sylv less scummy by .5, maybe even by a whole point, im still kinda undecided right now. I want to lessen their scum levels on the scale but my gut tells me that sylv is just scum like, i think i've pointed out more reasons as to why sylv is scum, changing my read suddenly because of one line that personally doesnt reveal much information (for me) would be stupid, i'd want to be consistent here, and say that sylv is still probably scum or likely scum i dont know the chronological order of the lines, but i think this line was sent as carefully as possible by sylveon. i think sylveon realized that people are voting him for his focus on me, and just carefully constructed a read on the spot. once again, i think town is confident, and isnt too careful with their words, scum says more careful - passive aggressive stuff while town says more bullshit if you're concerned about chronology, then i should mention the line was spoken out in the early stages of the game while everyone was still shitposting. that being said, it doesn't carry as much weight as it would otherwise because of the following post! Okay I haven't shifted in a while but I'm gonna do it now. Vote: Snapa Btw I'm prob gonna to bed soon so don't vote me while I'm gone. like way to go, Sylveon & Rando, for tossing out an entire goddamn read on spore for what appears to be OMGUS. oh and ohsnapa is probably town and i look forward to their performance in fish today |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 4:37:33 GMT
also snap i have a tr and a sl by d1 and you know that's a personal record
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 4:36:07 GMT
it's not meant to be responsive. take your time. you can respond to multiple messages at once, and that feature exists mostly so anyone can just log on at whatever time of day it is, slog out two or three paragraphs of arguments, and log off
also if you want to know how to multiquote:
the settings drop-down menu at the top-right of a post block gives you the option to "select post". click on that, click on Reply (not Quick Reply) after you've selected a few posts to quote, and type away
i like this line, but i'd like to see the logic progress further. what do you think spore's intentions are herei cant tell if ur just being inquisitive or trying to mentor me or sum shit anyway, most definitely see spore trying to reduce interactions with sylv so that if one of them gets voted (i have sylv and spore scumpool/team rn) it doesnt trace back to other... like hes trying to subtly get somebody else voted out without being sr'd or questioned for why so apparently mmib just botched the formatting. my original post in cyan, mmib's lines unchanged as far as thoughts on this line? i honestly don't know what it means and i'm compelled to just nod my head, keep it in a folder and look at it again in the future |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 4:31:13 GMT
in response to snapa's read so does not spore/sylv this quite a viable read Oh god, it's the broken english! Okay, but I can't understand you here. Please explain what you're trying to get at in this message! Are you saying me and spore aren't aligned? Are you saying you TR us both? Are you argeeing with Snapa?!?! I get why cyan wants us to type in paragraphs! So this doesn't happen!!!!! Anyways, time to read everyhing before going to bed! english language elitism! love it! but also yes, please reword your argument there have been 7 people who have posted till now and given some sort of read, I feel like the best call would be to trust one another this 7 group: snapa, me, sylv, spore, cyan, memory, erry. All I can see in this is that they have either tr'ed or sr'ed each other ruling out the fact that this cannot contain a whole 4 mafia scum faction. With clearing others from this point on, we should assume us a town and pursue the other 9 group as a potential full or half of scum faction. With that we would be able to get a scum for sure and then we can align our reads according to their logs and get the scum in our group if there is one. this post means nothing. it means a dreadful amount of nothing. vote: pacncheese |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 4:28:56 GMT
Okay: Spore is scum, Mem is null, and Snapa's acting scummy. Spore being scum: The sporemeta thing was funny the first time, but it's getting stale. Also, voting me for rvsing at the beginning is dumb. Snapa acting scummy: Yeah, the "Haha! I am big brain" is very annoying and it makes it hard to confirm/deny your reads. Also, you dont explain said reads. With that said: I'm changing to spore. At least snapa is kinda funny and making actual reads. Vote: Spore
Unvote: Mem calling your attention to this |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 4:28:13 GMT
It's the iconic snapa tunnel! Look out!
Okay, but geniunely, why am I scummy? Are you trying to sound serious? Because it aint working.
Also, new text color! Purple is my fav color, so I'm adding it for aesthetic. "Okay, but geniunely, why am I scummy? Are you trying to sound serious? Because it aint working." i have at least 2 reasons to say why you're scummy 1.) I've already dictated this but it would seem like in the forums I would have to explain myself again. In the most simple way: Your read on one of my lines was too basic. Any other town member (btw i would be saying that everybody is a town member unless proven, so if you're confused if i say like, "X is scummy, we should vote them, X is worthless town" that's just because i refer to everyone as a town member, unless proven by death or cop [if there is one, i dont think there is]) Any other town member could have read the line that you read better. 2.) You were simply way too focused on an unnecessary event, which isn't town indicative. Town would most likely be broad and be all over the place, and in most cases be confident in the way they speak. You, on the other hand, were: A.) Not confident, you were passive aggressive, in fact it sounds as if you were even unsure that I was scum, that you were unsure about what I was saying. B.) There were other events going on. Spore was shitposting too, and along with mmib (mildly, not as wild as I and spore were). But you simply didn't focus on them. If you think this is hypocritical just know that while I'm making this read on you, I'm also making reads on 5 other players. This isn't a way of saying that I'm better than you, but this is to say I'm not hypocritical, I am broad in my reads. i'm altogether not a fan of the fact that this post's general idea is "you don't fit this mold of how town players play and that's scummy", but if i slash out 2.) A.) and refine that last bit i do think that ohsnapa is trying to convey the idea that which is in some way true of sylv, but in other ways, let me bring up an earlier post they made also you're broad in a few other ways, snap. let's face it. |
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Post by cyan on Jul 3, 2022 4:22:39 GMT
first of all, there's a slider to the bottom right of the forum page and you can use it to change your forum theme. go pick mafia mode. you know you want to. (any of the modes with a dark background honestly) second of all please re-explain why you think my response to erry saying "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game" is poor, and cross-check to see if that's something that tells you i'm scummy cyan, i dont understand what you're trying to say, like, in simple words, what the fuck are you saying this feels like a dude asking another dude if he's got a buck and the dude goes "i have 3 children and a dog" "second of all please re-explain why you think my response to erry saying "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game" is poor, and cross-check to see if that's something that tells you i'm scummy" lmao i never said your response to erry was poor?  lmao??? what? ?? bro i have never critically and specifically analyzed any lines, and by that i mean pick statements word by word and quote it and explain what it means. All i've done is take a line, say "this leans X is scummy" or "this leans X is townie" + some other minor reads like "I dont think X wouldve said this if they were scum" and "i dont think x wouldve done that if they were scum". i have analyzed lines but not "i think this response was poor" or "this to that is bad". im trying to remove the fucking sad face emojis and i fucking cant, just assume those are question marks i think this is an interaction we should probably give up on pursuing then lmao so let me try to get this ironed out: erry says "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game", you tr them off of that line and say that i'm scummy for not responding to it, i respond by saying i don't think it's towny |
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