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Post by cyan on Jun 25, 2020 2:24:09 GMT
So here's my final words (if it comes to no one answering to anything):
It is far more convenient to have me die and tie up a loose end here than it is to shift to a lynch that half the PL hasn't really commented on. As of now, my read on battler has dimmed a bit, but eblurb and toni remain viable lynch candidates in case you want to shift or continue the game tomorrow.
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Post by cyan on Jun 25, 2020 2:20:22 GMT
Have I not explicitly stated that I don't find a problem with this lynch? If someone wants to defend me in my stead, go ahead, but right now I don't have a suitable answer to anything because everyone's case on me revolves around micro's lines about me.
I had my lynch questioned by a scum slot, and it's not like I can do anything to explain why when, well, said slot is dead. It might be that micromorphic saw me as an asset to scum in some way, or that he was expecting to make an easy push out of me after he flips scum at some point in the game, but asking me to explain what someone else did is, well, unproductive. I can only guess.
In any case, sky basically did well enough of a case for me to Lynch eblurb here. Toni's lynch isn't going to get us anywhere until he speaks anyway, so
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Post by cyan on Jun 24, 2020 15:48:06 GMT
might as well just say that I don't intend to shift onto eblurb's lynch at the moment, since he hasn't spoken yet and I can't make any decisions. on the other hand, we can have spiderz/scorrch say what they now think of the interactions between me/micro
or we can have tb2/sky push a little more on blurb's lynch.
as far as I've seen, battler is starting to act a little more townie. tone on their read on toni feels genuine but at the same time toni is technically an easy read, so nothing i can say about it other than it probably means that if they're both scum, one is the traitor
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Post by cyan on Jun 24, 2020 5:22:34 GMT
Things considered I might as well Lynch Toni since I feel more compelled to get on that slot in terms of read viability
oh btw dudeplayz/om targeted no one last night, would still like to hear from them
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Post by cyan on Jun 24, 2020 5:15:29 GMT
I’m not sure if you have, but read through my latter reformatted post,I did change reads there a bit so this discussion is a little outdated but the main point here, is that in this and your next posts, you are calling out a lot of people and asking them to give you info, I think it’s be nice to see some solid defense from you, or at the very least some solid reads. Since all of this is just sidestepping the issue of you having 3 lynches and a majority of active town with a scumread or scumlean on you. I'll say it bluntly, then: I don't have a defense against my lynch. I can't dispute the points that they've made, and I'm not in favor of going on a tirade that revolves around "yes they did that but I'm town". The best thing I can say is that micromorphic was simply pushing my slot to make us seem like partners, but I have nothing that suggests that that was his intention. I'd rather try to work off of their partners. Current guesses would be: - battler444: Initial nonchalance concerning micromorphic's lynch D1, expression commonly used by scum trying to appear productive when asked to read a partner - Toni XY: Hazy reason to lynch and unlynch (though this has been brought up by several other slots so there's nothing I think I can add to this) - eblurb: Unrelated to micro's alignment but their narrow focus on dudeplayz's slot while disregarding cayden's similar actions raise a few red flags. Don't really have much to say about the rest of the PL. Spiderz and ToiletBro2's interactions are a little meaty for me to digest rn and I'm more comfortable working outside of them |
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Post by cyan on Jun 24, 2020 3:25:10 GMT
also if people were complaining about me using cyan as my response color, i'm surprised you haven't switched your site to dark mode tbh
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Post by cyan on Jun 24, 2020 3:21:36 GMT
Thoughts: I am fine with micro lynch, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they flip town. I am less so with the Cyan Talon wagon, though, as I feel like they’ve done a lot to help contribute to town. TB2 is town lean to me since his posts feel quite genuine, although I guess I understand why you guys SR him. Everyone for the most part feels pretty townie. If I had to give an SR though it would probably Toni since I feel like his lynch was an easy attempt to get onto the micro wagon, though it’s very weak. I am not shifting my lynch from GTS because I actually don’t know where to shift to and the micro wagon seems pretty much set besides some major occurrence. Anyway those are my thoughts, would like to see more out of eblurb/the people who aren’t here. Question regarding this that skyfigueroa (pinging for the sake of "check this out) posited earlier: if you had a scumread on Toni, what made you not shift your lynch from GTS? And why are you only jumping on said scumread now, as opposed to yesterday? Do you think micromorphic's scum flip had anything to affect said read? |
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Post by cyan on Jun 24, 2020 3:18:12 GMT
What possible reason did blurb have to lynch dudeplayz as town when he must have known nothing would come of it? only reason I see is vanity wagoning, and vanity wagonign for the sake of vanity wagoning is scummy yep. its wifom defense time. i didn't really know the day ended that soon, but scorch said "lynch u sr u noob" or smth like that. lynching is a way of getting my read out there. also, "vanity wagoning" makes no sense. 1. It isn't vanity (just search up the definition lol) 2. It isn't wagoning (I was the only one who was on him).
Something odd about eblurb not directly responding to this highlighted question, but 7 minutes later responding to it when I phrase it in a different way is something I don't really know what to think of. This "it isn't vanity wagoning because it isn't vain and it isn't a wagon" response kind of feels like a dodging of the question, which I find odd because he addresses it as follows: blurb can you elaborate a little more on this? Despite dudeplayz's newness, what? And what do you mean by the interactions making zero sense? okay basically i meant he is noobscum also literally all his interactions are him asking "dumb" questions and anyone answering, which just looks off. I mean he could just be noob town but everything he does is weird. also on the cayden front, i haven't seen anything lines from him that make him scum, so if anyone could post some quotes, that would be nice.
Although this is a valid reason to read dudeplayz, I'd say it's hard to note that slot's actions and not notice cayden's, especially when (I don't need quotes here but it should be easy to look up) he is acting exactly the same as dudeplayz asking trivial questions and not commenting on the game as much. cayden, please say things that aren't just "I forgot to lynch, sorry". Do you have any scumreads or townreads at the moment? What do you think of the current prime lynches? |
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Post by cyan on Jun 24, 2020 3:08:30 GMT
honestly it does sound like that tbf PTSD is of the opinion that these interactions were faked so as to portray me as scum, so there's your destination for discussion If you're just going to deflect to someone else and provide no defense for yourself, there is no need for further discussion. Because I genuinely think that, from a third-person perspective, the interactions between me and micro suggest that we are scumpartners, I don't see a reason to justify the actions of a scum slot when I don't know what was running through their head and I don't have any defense against it. I pointed you towards an angle of opportunity if you wanted to pursue this discussion further. "I'm fine with this lynch but I wouldn't be surprised if it flips town." Notice how this perspective towards a lynch suggests that its holder does not have any strong feeling towards it. It's a nullread disguised as a read into either alignment depending on how the reader perceives it, and is commonly used by scum when describing their partners' lynches (by meta, at least). Explain to me why would scum describe their partners like this. sky already gave a tl;dr earlier but here you go: Describing someone in this manner means that the poster can appear to be scumreading someone to people who genuinely scumread them, and townreading them to people who don't. If we're talking about the SvS context, it's a sort of softbus where you can express compliance with a wagon without coming across as bussing, and is a common trick employed by newer scum employing it to bus. Either because they don't want to plant a lynch and dig their partner in, or because they want to suggest that said partner might be town. Like I said, nullread disguised as a read. responses aside, more things incoming |
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Post by cyan on Jun 23, 2020 15:03:12 GMT
I understand why people sr gts, and I would hop on the wagon if it hadn't built up too much already. battler's reason for lynching gts is suspect. I also think literally any dude interaction makes 0 sense. dudeplayz has been mostly asking noob questions instead of making scumreads, which despite his "new"ness can you elaborate a little more on this? Despite dudeplayz's newness, what? And what do you mean by the interactions making zero sense? |
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Post by cyan on Jun 23, 2020 14:58:01 GMT
If I am Tracker, TB2 did not visit GTS. Sidenote, is the Search function broken for anyone else? It doesn't search through all posts, only the more recent ones. CYAN: You planning on providing reads or just gonna ask questions? His big ass post hurts my eyes with that light blue. The "bandwagoning" thing wasn't TB2 but was ME. NULL I am going to say this is scum interaction. "This is scum interaction." Lynch Cyan Talonhonestly it does sound like that tbf PTSD is of the opinion that these interactions were faked so as to portray me as scum, so there's your destination for discussion |
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Post by cyan on Jun 23, 2020 13:09:06 GMT
I'm not sure how vanity wagon equates to being scum? Clear things out for me
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Post by cyan on Jun 23, 2020 9:21:17 GMT
mfw spidey beat me to first post Lynch battler444 battler mentioned being "fine" with micro's lynch earlier, common scum practice why are you ignoring the part where he said he wouldn't be surprised if they flipped town, therefore invalidating the towncred they would get from being "fine" with a scum lynch "I'm fine with this lynch but I wouldn't be surprised if it flips town." Notice how this perspective towards a lynch suggests that its holder does not have any strong feeling towards it. It's a nullread disguised as a read into either alignment depending on how the reader perceives it, and is commonly used by scum when describing their partners' lynches (by meta, at least). |
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Post by cyan on Jun 23, 2020 4:12:19 GMT
mfw spidey beat me to first post
Lynch battler444
battler mentioned being "fine" with micro's lynch earlier, common scum practice
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Post by cyan on Jun 22, 2020 3:08:43 GMT
I can understand what you're getting at for the unlynch, but GTS wasn't under strong fire when I lynched them? sky's post there was literally start-of-day RVS and it's not as if micro's reads were holding weight in this game. I have no reads at the moment. I'm saying it. I do lean Spiderz and VigilanteVigoroth as town, but neither of those are solid enough for me to push a case for them. Also, Spiderz being a townlean/townread isn't something I see being debated in this game? Also, drop the filler. Not everyone is amused.Your lynches were most definitely opportunistic, I feel like almost everything you've been doing is be "fake" active saying unnecessary shit in order to look townie, and it looks fake as fuck. Anyways, this wasn't a post to say that I looks scummy, Its a post to point out how many people are bending to my views in the game and more of a suspicion on you, skyfig, and blurb. Also please note the bolded. You're right, it wasn't a post saying that you looked scummy. As for the "fake" allegations, responses below.
In reference to the filler, Scorrch was keeping up his meme play of "TB2 claimed mafia, lynch him" alongside any actual reads he was pushing. Some of his posts throughout the game have been in a joking manner, which anyone would call filler.
I don't have a problem with them myself, since I know full well that to call him lazy for not posting reads would be ignoring literally every other post he's keyed out, but think of the children. Are our newer players going to bite on his meme posts the same way they'd bite on his actual posts? I see that as a potential source of confusion, hence me asking him to drop it.
yes i did just spend too much time trying to justify something i did let's move onGWS, make sure to see a doctor if you experience a high fever or dry coughA. Doesn't invalidate their answer. B. Posting a wall of reads based on your first impressions of all living players isn't what we expect when we want you to scumhunt. What I said about GTS's earlier pile of reads shoved among his other lines applies exceptionally to your wallpost, given that you've taken the time to come online but have yet to elaborate on your reads in detail. Push a scumread or something. Note the bolded again now. Anyways, your response to micro is literally useless and has been established a thousand times over. Again this looks like you being opportunistic and go off on micro in order to look townie to a post that can be targeted so easily, even though this added nothing to the game. re: above, this is just friendly talk that (I think.) doesn't detract from the conversations surrounding the game. It's filler, but it isn't potentially disruptive filler.Seeing as I'm on a vanity wagon I should probably shift so Lynch micromorphic, since this slot is displaying no pro-town behaviour, and could easily be scum, whereas cyan is actively making reads. Scummmmmmmmmm Thoughts: I am fine with micro lynch, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they flip town. I am less so with the Cyan Talon wagon, though, as I feel like they’ve done a lot to help contribute to town. TB2 is town lean to me since his posts feel quite genuine, although I guess I understand why you guys SR him. Everyone for the most part feels pretty townie. If I had to give an SR though it would probably Toni since I feel like his lynch was an easy attempt to get onto the micro wagon, though it’s very weak. I am not shifting my lynch from GTS because I actually don’t know where to shift to and the micro wagon seems pretty much set besides some major occurrence. Anyway those are my thoughts, would like to see more out of eblurb/the people who aren’t here. Ughhhhhhhhhhh, a few things, first sentence is scummy in retrospect because of micros BG claim. Second may I redirect you to SFL in last years summer circuit NOC? Just because someone APPEARS to be helping town doesn't mean they are actually helping town. And right now SFL is a prime example of this, literally if you pay attention to his posts he's only been restating what has been said and has no original reads, I IMPLORE you to analyze posts better. re: micro, I don't see their nonchalance about his lynch being scummy. You could call it a retrospective read given Gary's CC, but notice micro's lack of effort in the earlier phases of the game that resulted in people pushing them? Simply because micro claimed a PR doesn't really invalidate those reasons, though because battler444 wasn't engaging in that discussion it is quite difficult to think of what they were saying.
If anything, I'd say that battler444 and micromorphic are potential scumpartners. Unstated reluctance to lynch a scumslot raises a few red flags.
re: me, should be fairly obvious that I don't normally push reads D1. My typical early-game play is pushing angles of discussion and getting people to talk about their reads in ways that help me understand the game better.These replies aside, here's some more fuel to the micromorphic wagon fire: Notice these lines not pushing GTS as scum for counterclaiming? These accusations of gamethrow are baseless, and I think what we're seeing here is micromorphic trying to not get the actual Bodyguard killed on the first day to prolong his shelf life. I think GTS is gamethrowing and thought it was a good idea to gambit. Unlynch GTS lynch TB2No, you’re doing a shitty ass gambit You’re obviously gamethrowing, please stop before you make town lose And the tone of that last one feels fake as all hell. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 22, 2020 2:49:17 GMT
just woke up, skimmed through the previous posts and seeing gary subtly push for a micro lynch post-claim is indicative of truthful cc behavior
Lynch Micromorphic
will respond to posts and say things in a moment
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 17:11:49 GMT
At the time of you saying that sky only add an rvs line and they were a tr. Should and still are foggy, mystery is fine, so i dude. Cyan's made reads and you're gonna keep it the same? You tr vigvig solrly because an rvs line? Should be null. You tr Spiderz becausd they're active, I agree with the tr, but not that reason, actually read what is said. I'm still am sr from a bit of info and apparently you ignore everything else. Odd. You tr'd tb2 because the didn't make sense now it's an sr for the same reason. Odd. You just stated what Cayden did and didn.t even place a read there. Scorr is just a tr without reason. Az is an sr solely for asking for hypos, which imo isn't the best idea but it was just a suggestion and shouldn't be a sole reason to sr someone. Eblurb is fine. You locked yourself as town. Both toni amd battler have spoken now and you have to have at least something on them. I only completely agreed with three of them, being, Mystery, Dude, and Eblurb. So if you're gonna tell ,e everything's the same besides tb2, that's a flag. I want more of an update unless you actually agree with that all. The only one I’m addressing here is the TB2 one. With all the other ones, you’re telling me what to add onto my reasoning for my read that I’m not changing. With your TB2 point, however, you literally didn’t read why I’m lynching them, so I recommend you do that. Blindsiding the point that GTS is making, namely that your reads should have changed somewhat and some of the clearly have. What about the other reads you posted? |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 17:10:08 GMT
Let's start with this. Earlier, you were townreading TB2 for their verbosity. What made you change your mind? When I read what TB2 says, I’m trying to see what he’s aiming to do with it, which is something I didn’t do last time. And I couldn’t find what he’s doing... he lynched AZ and hasn’t attempted to get others on them and isn’t providing any more reads, just answering questions. Interesting take that warrants discussion IMO, would be interesting to see ToiletBro2 respond to this push on them. Because their response so far, being Seeing as I'm on a vanity wagon I should probably shift so Lynch micromorphic, since this slot is displaying no pro-town behaviour, and could easily be scum, whereas cyan is actively making reads. feels quite disingenuous to me and sort of ignores the angle micro is pushing at. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 17:05:15 GMT
I can understand what you're getting at for the unlynch, but GTS wasn't under strong fire when I lynched them? sky's post there was literally start-of-day RVS and it's not as if micro's reads were holding weight in this game. I have no reads at the moment. I'm saying it. I do lean Spiderz and VigilanteVigoroth as town, but neither of those are solid enough for me to push a case for them. Also, Spiderz being a townlean/townread isn't something I see being debated in this game? You unlynched GTS not because you think he's done anything townie, but because you think that the way his wagon built was unnatural, yet you do not even scumlean anyone who was part of the wagon. Thoughts on sky, micro, battler? midnight mafia time I'm still unsure what to make of sky; they seem like they're trying to sort things out, but nothing about then screams town to me. micromorphic is potentially a scumslot out of laziness but I don't feel inclined to push someone for that reason. battler444 might just be sheeping, which is NAI Do mind that I was third on GTS's lynch. Asking me what I think of the buildup isn't going to be helpful, heck I don't have any strong feelings about it. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 14:36:19 GMT
Let's start with this. Earlier, you were townreading TB2 for their verbosity. What made you change your mind? |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 14:30:33 GMT
Right now I'm all okay for a Cyan Talon or micromorphic lynch, and I want to avoid a GTS lynch rn. I'm also feeling quite sick, so I most likely won't be on for the rest of the day. Apologies. GWS, make sure to see a doctor if you experience a high fever or dry cough Scumhunting, and this isn't something we should be telling you to do You aren’t the person who I asked. I also already did that. A. Doesn't invalidate their answer. B. Posting a wall of reads based on your first impressions of all living players isn't what we expect when we want you to scumhunt. What I said about GTS's earlier pile of reads shoved among his other lines applies exceptionally to your wallpost, given that you've taken the time to come online but have yet to elaborate on your reads in detail. Push a scumread or something. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 14:26:58 GMT
skyfigueroa: lynch gary the savage for not posting start of day scumpool btw micromorphic: You planning on playing the game or just gonna stick to telling people how the game works? […] lynch gtsCyan Talon: At this point I'm just going to pursue this slot for not having anything remotely resembling a thought process. Do you not have anything to say about the last two pages? […] Lynch GTSbattler444: I would like to Lynch Gary The Savage because of his statement asking to be put as a TR on the list and get the ball rolling. spiderz: oh woah woah no can we shift off gary and onto micro please? skyfigueroa: unlynch gary […] for now because of wagon build up I think came out of nowhere eblurb: I understand why people sr gts, and I would hop on the wagon if it hadn't built up too much already. Cyan Talon: Also, the buildup on this lynch worries me a little knowing everything so Unlynch Gary The SavageI think Cyan Talon's lynch and unlynch are both very opportunistic. He seems to be trying to follow the crowd in order to not draw suspicion. His actions lag slightly behind, and his reasoning is more or less a reworded clone of previous statements. There is a severe lack of original reads, and it does not seem to stem from laziness or natural inability to form reads. Unlynch ToiletBro2
Lynch Cyan TalonI guess everyone is going to ignore that Mr. Toilet has been softing scum and posting nonsense. I can understand what you're getting at for the unlynch, but GTS wasn't under strong fire when I lynched them? sky's post there was literally start-of-day RVS and it's not as if micro's reads were holding weight in this game. I have no reads at the moment. I'm saying it. I do lean Spiderz and VigilanteVigoroth as town, but neither of those are solid enough for me to push a case for them. Also, Spiderz being a townlean/townread isn't something I see being debated in this game? Also, drop the filler. Not everyone is amused. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 12:45:17 GMT
Back, skimmed through the last 4 pages and nothing extremely big pops out to me. Discussion doesn't seem stunted, but here's a few things I'd like to address: Aside from this one reply, things: - I'm jumping on the VigVig TR bandwagon. His posts do seem genuinely trying to help town to me. - dudeplayz's slot is... lazy? They're outright not willing to read up on the game, which isn't exactly what anyone would see as effective townplay. So I'm going to do what I did and just prod them (and cayden ig) for more information. In regards to GTS's lynch. My main issue with his slot is that he hasn't offered any in-depth discussion on anyone other than battler444, and his focus on that slot is quite slim. Sure, IIoA as a reason to lynch isn't exactly the most productive thing in the world, but the countervote is effectively the only read that he has pushed. I'm aware he's made a readpool, but until there's ample explanation for that the only thing I can gain from it stems from its existence. I'm sorry I push my scumreads? and I'm sorry I don't push my trs? Not sure what you're point is here. You also completely disregarding my talk with tb2, and my overview of yours and Cayden's interactionshighlighted Gary's response in yellow for clarity's sake. That said, you discussing something with TB2 isn't you telling us what you think about him, and your read into my interactions with Cayden wasn't exactly primary discussion. I will admit that I glossed over some of your lines, though. Also, the buildup on this lynch worries me a little knowing everything so Unlynch Gary The Savageuntil I learn more about this game |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 12:36:38 GMT
I think I know how you arrived at 1/3, but it is wrong. There are 4 roles that target people at night: Tracker 1, Tracker B, Bodyguard, and one of Mafia Goons that is killing. Tracker 1 getting a result of a player targetting another dead player does not mean that their inspect is either Tracker B, Bodyguard, or Mafia Goons, which I think that is where you are getting 1/3. Bodyguard target will never be a dead player; due to the nature of their role they will die instead. Mafia Goon target will always be a dead player unless it is a Bodyguard death, which is not the case in this scenario. Let PL=# of players at nightstart. Tracker has a 1/(PL-1) chance of targetting a dead player. This means that if Tracker 1 inspects someone who targetted a dead person that did not flip as PR, there is an 1-1/(PL-1) chance they are Mafia, assuming random targets. im only 70% sure my math is correct so please double check me, but i know 1/3 is wrong Regardless, you are correct that a "guilty" inspect could be a false positive from a fellow Tracker. A high-risk high-reward strategy would be to leave the slot alive until either the real 2nd Tracker dies, or massclaim and/or lylo. That way, if they actually were Tracker they would still be able to get out inspects for as long as possible. The rest of PL would still have to hypo though, so in case the inspect was Mafia, the real 2nd Tracker would be able to get out inspects. it's official, i'm a dumbass I was factoring Bodyguard into my equation earlier, yes. 1/3 is wrong. I suppose the nature of randomness makes tracker hypoing a viable strategy. Though, the thing about guilty positives is that if we plan on hypoing, it would be difficult to produce a fake correct inspection. If the tracker opts not to claim their result, then we'd never know of its existence; if they decide to fake an inspect, there's the (admittedly slim) chance of it going wrong. It's also worth noting that the tracker is unable to confirm any slot as Town. I've changed my stance from "Hypoing might be bad" to "Hypoing might help but not by much". |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 6:58:50 GMT
/me in.
Cyan#7750, already in discord server so...
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