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Post by articunight on Jun 20, 2021 17:48:44 GMT
Basically I think other partnership are likely then gary + Choas. I definitely did question their Vote on Gary.
The Gary wagon Mainly seemed to be half assed which is why I was concern about the voters. It did play a part of my absence continuation vote on Gary.
Near EOD 3 iirc everyone started to bring up chaos and start having more aggressive interactions with them.
It Just feels like there too many player wanted to Set up Chaos for a lynch. The balance seems off. But weren't u ok with Gary vote on d2? If it was half assed then whyd u vote it then? umm could you quote me on that? since i voted penguin on day 2 and repeatedly insisted that i didn't understand the gary wagon? |
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Post by articunight on Jun 20, 2021 17:43:49 GMT
what exactly do you mean here? and i'm mildly annoyed that you've never tried to case chaos for the vote they had on gary which was only shifted off of on the day gary actually got voted(if i missed a relevant post, do quote it and tag me please). It may be a risky play by scum to attempt to bus but when its done as weakly as chaos did its just...vanity, what makes you TR chaos? Are you not going to note what triggered the increase in "global hostility" towards chaos who you adamantly defend? Please case them slightly beyond "global hostility"
The Gary wagon Mainly seemed to be half assed which is why I was concern about the voters. It did play a part of my absence continuation vote on Gary.
Near EOD 3 iirc everyone started to bring up chaos and start having more aggressive interactions with them.
It Just feels like there too many player wanted to Set up Chaos for a lynch. The balance seems off.are you claiming that the people who brought up the chaos vote at eod3 were aiming for a scumpush, since...that was me i also wanted to bring this up, but for most of day 3 gary wasn't on fort, that was only at eod, they were on chaos which feels a bit like spew. |
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Post by articunight on Jun 20, 2021 17:37:28 GMT
what exactly do you mean here? and i'm mildly annoyed that you've never tried to case chaos for the vote they had on gary which was only shifted off of on the day gary actually got voted(if i missed a relevant post, do quote it and tag me please). It may be a risky play by scum to attempt to bus but when its done as weakly as chaos did its just...vanity, what makes you TR chaos? Are you not going to note what triggered the increase in "global hostility" towards chaos who you adamantly defend? Please case them slightly beyond "global hostility" this argument is interesting because im like pretty sure chaos wasn't online for eod2 umm are you very suresince unless i am being bad at timezones, they were there at eod2, as well as in twilight |
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Post by articunight on Jun 20, 2021 17:23:33 GMT
....
Chaos
I still don't think Chaos is the Vote here. The hostility towards them Seems unnatural in terms how the number of players.
I Rather Go for a potential partner(if applicable) first than doubt the person who could be "fake Tunneling" for town Cred.
what exactly do you mean here? and i'm mildly annoyed that you've never tried to case chaos for the vote they had on gary which was only shifted off of on the day gary actually got voted(if i missed a relevant post, do quote it and tag me please). It may be a risky play by scum to attempt to bus but when its done as weakly as chaos did its just...vanity, what makes you TR chaos? Are you not going to note what triggered the increase in "global hostility" towards chaos who you adamantly defend? Please case them slightly beyond "global hostility" |
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Post by articunight on Jun 20, 2021 11:46:08 GMT
gm i was awake for 8 hours and slept for 12 more, is votecount updated after this:
Skyfigureroa(2)*:Quojova,Wallape
Fortcolors(1):Chaostrodon
Quojova(1):Fortcolors
Not Voting(3):Skyfigureroa,Kliff,Articunight
i don't dislike sky or fort today tbh, but i will appeal to remove chaos tomorrow. I tr kliff, tl quo and wape the scumpool is pretty much out there from my pov
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Post by articunight on Jun 19, 2021 5:13:11 GMT
i know tonereads would normally be immediately discarded, but i would like to bring attention to the comparison in chaos pushing someone while they were attempting to vote out gary, and current day enthusiasm for sring sky/fort. I haven't properly looked over the day yet but this is quite a striking difference that i felt would normally be noticed more  |
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Post by articunight on Jun 19, 2021 1:27:38 GMT
i don't get the chaos tr :# i thought we settled that what was basically a vanity on gary was supposed to be slightly sr worthy?
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Post by articunight on Jun 17, 2021 19:08:05 GMT
you said yourself why I'm on them. They've made no progression towards the game, they've tunneled me to the depths for no real reason, and they've made random reads that don't make sense you recall how you were scumread for just copying reads? :/ your priorities must be very weird if it took you this long to realize that someone was voting you every day and the "oh it did not make sense part only pops up now". i'm not buying it from what i can see i recall you mentioning something about re-posting reads when you're home so i'll watch out for them but my hopes are pretty declined as it is |
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Post by articunight on Jun 17, 2021 18:18:30 GMT
i kinda want to talk to wallape about why he thinks sky is town but I honestly don't have too much else to discuss there besides reiterating that I think sky is in his scumrange the sky/articu not partnered thing was pretty compelling still haven't checked the chaos/articu thing because I can't figure out how to get from this page: ps-mafia.proboards.com/user/862/activity to the posts so if anyone knows I would appreciate it press summary and press "View this member's recent posts." you goon |
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Post by articunight on Jun 17, 2021 18:17:38 GMT
sigh i am very very mixed about the vote right now, on the other hand chaos hasn't given a decent answer to anything raised up and all prior concerns still apply but gary's vote is making me hesitant, because if the scumpool does not contain both of these users then I fear that we're setting ourselves up to lose on a personal level atleast, since i'm hyper focused. Unfortunately my fear that scum will attempt to pull away the vote through eod is resounding a lot deeper, gary's vote does not make sense to me from a town pov, there isn't any decent thought progression i can tell that would make this be a sensible vote for a townie in gary's slot especially considering the current gamestate.
vote: gary the savage
if anyone cares to correct/question me i'll be awake for a bit more
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Post by articunight on Jun 17, 2021 17:19:53 GMT
I too would assume cyan town if gary flipped scum lol gary+chaos is an interesting idea but it's a pretty bold move to make as chaos I did sr you harder after I made all three teams that contained you but not enough to push me away from the exact fort/gary/sky idea but apparently since then sky and chaos have both mentioned that they think their partner equity with aritcu is low which I'm waiting for responses on Eye think gary + chaos is a very viable idea, I was writing up a post regarding this earlier but it relied heavily on wifom but since someone brought it up I may as well. Look at it from a scum!Chaos perspective: A) votes gary B) doesn't pressure much d1(important to note), doesn't push too hard, throws a few reads here and there on tone C) vote builds up on gary. Chaos feels pressured to stay on bc if he shifts and then gary flips later on he is p much outed D) would look weird to just completely forget gary wagon, so has to stay on and push it... repeat I think kliff brought this up earlier but for someone pushing someone else, they have a surprising lack of interactions are you suggesting a third scum along with this? and why wouldn't you bring this up on day 3 when i first tried to poke chaos about it? |
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Post by articunight on Jun 17, 2021 17:14:25 GMT
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Post by articunight on Jun 17, 2021 16:57:22 GMT
hihi first off- weirdest thing here to me is Gary The Savage voting for... chaostrodon ?? i isoed them for a few pages and really can't tell if there's any reasoning which is very annoying and sounds out more like survivalism than anything else, there's no attempt at further pressure from gary and this is just...it? gary scum would cause me to assume cyan town since there's a vague pocket/buddying going around there("i have to count on you to save me quojova my primary concern with the chaos slot was: it felt like there was no motivation to actually further the vote, worse than a vanity it felt like a half-assed attempt by scum to be on a wagon for very few reasons. But its also interesting to me how chaos dipped from the gary wagon today after a number of days i'd try to quote posts but i think the easier thing to do is link them so ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/78078/thread and ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/78081/thread(chaos is linked too so pls respond to my ramblings too) i'm less convinced on gary being a townslot now(especially due to today's vote, i don't understand a townie pov behind it) but that does make me more open to a scumteam of gary+chaos quo pointing out 3 scumteams, all of them containing me yet still not sring me any harder was weird to me as well i'm wondering if they could update with this: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/78677i'm assuming the current votecount is correct at this?: Fortcolors(1):Chaostrodon Vertigo(2)*:Kliff,Skyfigureroa Chaostrodon(1):Gary the savage gary the savage(2):quojova,wallape |
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Post by articunight on Jun 16, 2021 10:41:09 GMT
so i'd like to ask why we're not putting pressure on chaos :/ who has very neatly ignored me i noticed both quojova and @fortcolors voting them and then unvoting which was sufficiently disturbing although i may be tunnelling by now, i'd still like to hear chaos responding to my posts |
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 21:09:57 GMT
ok in that case who do u think is a good lynch for today articunight _ re: stuff doesn't add up, i can't see the town perspective from this slot |
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 15:49:48 GMT
memes aside though just because someone has similar reads to you doesn't mean they're town though? In fact I think its an extremely weak reason. + Gary wasn't even pushing ddlc, rather he defended him. o you mean my tl on gary+cyan? that was just a day 1 assumption to improve my rvs which is repeatedly being overblown that i did address earlier :# i don't deny it, it is a weak reason thats why it was just a soft day 1 tl but i still stand with what i said regarding how weird the wagon has been |
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 15:37:53 GMT
so hi there just a quick post please someone accumulate all the reasons why gary is scumread because i still fail to understand the wagon and the thought progression behind it. Why is this post giving me scum pings i'll be miffed if you ignore my larger post just to give this :/ you haven't pursued any other potential wagon, or read, in favour of generating a scumteam on gary starting since day1 there were a few points in your iso where you pointed out other scumteams but never took any action on it(whether vote or further commentary)? idgi This must be a hell of a confident read yet i really don't get why you wouldn't push it harder considering this is the third day you're trying to remove gts especially considering how half-heartedly you're doing so(that's a toneread so it may be subjective), it doesn't add into the town perspective of actually wanting to get scum out which is again confusing me. Creating a relatively weak wagon(they're indecisive) then calling it out for counterwagons when your push is odd in itself(hell i don't even get what made you townread peng on day2) makes even less sense. |
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 15:15:35 GMT
so hi there just a quick post please someone accumulate all the reasons why gary is scumread because i still fail to understand the wagon and the thought progression behind it. - Feigning Undecisiveness - Saying that Cyan was bussing me, voting me, and saying that he voted me over cyan because cyan was townier - Been Cwagon on D1 and D2, but not being voted - Sheeping reads in his wall posts Alternatively, why did you TR gary in the first place? U have conveniently avoided this question all game i answered that :# i tled them d1 since i sred ddlc and gary+cyan were pushing that. i didn't understand the day 2 wagon at all since it felt like an overly weak reasoning and it the wagon felt less than pure(but i guess scum would've considered peng the easier wagon to push along?) cyan mentioned this: One thing to note is that if we lynch gary here we'd be lynching the third of the three day 1 wagons (lmao), which is probably a result of not having real nightkills to analyze? Actually, I think that's a funny if not particularly compelling reason to be lynching gary: "Is it really possible for ALL three counterwagons to have been town?" isn't it just chaos+verti who are pushing for gary to be removed? i feel like the counter wagon theory falls flat when its the same people trying to start up a wagon (or atleast, results in a hard tr on chaos+verti from cyan?) day1: Gary the Savage (3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Ddlcfan69 day2: Gary the Savage(3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Kliff |
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 14:36:55 GMT
so hi there just a quick post please someone accumulate all the reasons why gary is scumread because i still fail to understand the wagon and the thought progression behind it.
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Post by articunight on Jun 11, 2021 23:04:55 GMT
If I knew I was doing something outside of my scumrange , I would just include it in my scumrange and then it wont be outside of my scumrange anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I'll admit to one thing. As convenient as it may be , wallape's reason for tling me doesnt really apply to me atleast . (Look at my entrance in the time heist game) Because by voting Fortcolors there , it was highly likely it would devolve into a Penguin vs Fortcolors situation. And given how much more active and persuading FortColors is over Peng , Penguin would get absolutely demolished in that matchup. Hence why I call it risky. I feel like this thought must have crossed scum!Penguin and he would be hesitant to vote there. Kinda feel like a lot of people are too comfortable GTS wagon and it is making me uncomfortable . There is a certain lack of agitation in this PL that makes me think scum is just sitting comfortably out there , and we are completely off track with respect to both GTS and Peng What do we think of a Vertigo/Articunight/Wallape scumteam @ wallape it's a scumlean I realized that I didn't like that he couldn't point to a single post or idea that he thought I should townread him for and then he kinda just tacks on "wallape's tl doesn't apply" which feels like he's just trying to project himself as town I think chaos also starts to think that there is a lack of agitation around penguin a bit too quickly when the wagon is just starting to pick up the timing of that and his overall voting with gary and peng make me think he is a prime candidate for a peng partner third post since i'm the perfect level of unhinged due to lack of sleep//the first part of this post is unrelated to the quote until the line of hyphens i've finally figured out i don't get notifications when i'm called articuknight there's no K in my name  Going through chaostrodon iso right now and its...interesting. they noted potential scumteams of ddlc+me+verti, gts+wallape+kliff/fort, vert+me+wape and i'm beginning to realize that you're avoiding a bunch of players, you haven't poked quo yet although ig i get to assume you tr them(clarify this please) you slightly poked at kliff and fort but i can't figure out if kliff+you would be tvt (although i am kinda amused that you asked kliff what they thought about a scumteam containing them kek) what exactly do you read kliff as? vague unrelated thought but i wonder if peng's vote on fort is a scum's attempt for spew(interaction nonetheless?) i don't really understand your read on cyan, if you could elaborate on that it would be a big + for me (also sorry gary i'm trying to be more thorough though ) currently i'm just gonna wait on them to answer before giving a read -------- reading through quo's iso does reinforce an idea that kill meta analysis is probably a lot less harder to get here since...i don't know most of you and its easier to see through it in chat-mafia considering that mafia has more than 3 minutes to decide on a kill /shrug i don't think...a scum would care about other lurkers since the only thing that stops them from doing is fishing out pr roles i'd like to as why you tr GTS albeit i think its a bit late but i'll persist, i haven't gone through sky's iso yet so i'll poke you about them later too although i think i understand your tl on fortcolors i really don't understand the quoted post, what exactly do you mean - who is he in this context? am i just misinterpreting this post heavily? |
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Post by articunight on Jun 11, 2021 22:38:34 GMT
Voted:Votee
(hammer 7)
Ddlcfan69 (4):Cyan Talon, Wallape,Articuknight,Fortcolors
Gary the Savage (3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Ddlcfan69
PenguinD (2):Kliff,Quojova
Wallape (1):Gary the Savage
Vertigo (1):skyfigureroa
Not Voting (2):Saltiestcactus23,PenguinD
if i missed anything/any issues lmk
With that ddlcfan69 has been voted off!
Their role was
Good day user:
Role: Vanilla Townie
Alignment: Town
Abilities: None, except for your vote.
Your associates: Your fellow townsfolk.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
It is now night phase: Pm me your action or idles.
Night ends at 9PM GMT-4, or about 23 hours from the writing of this post
It's like very confusing to me why cyan and articu are applying the "status quo" defense to peng but not to gary fwiw I don't buy into that defense at all but it feels selectively applied even at eod i largely believed that the gary vote didn't have much substance to it, its less so me tl'ing them as compared to not understanding the vote but you have a point, i didn't realize at first that gary was the primary counter-wagon to ddlc since it...doesn't make sense i can't understand thought progression so i assume it to be a null or a scumpush i'm realizing how often sky has been pressuring me but i don't blame them for it kek i've not been the most responsive the more i look at today's posts from penguin and iso through them the greater the effect of their contributions comes up since..there's nothing longer than 2 sentences, they townread gary(wallpost looks genuine) (wanted to vote them out yday?) yet the only interaction between them was this: "Gary The Savage what’s ur reason for the wallape vote?" i'm afraid to sl peng mostly because of night kill analysis and because if they flip town, we've effectively lost two days gaining very little info i'm gonna go through a few more isos to see if i can find something for a harder read but for now i'm kinda amused that quo sred sky+me since they're the only one trying to pressure me so far kek(yes yes scum wants healthy town-town looking interactions, but scum also wants to be seamlessly part of town and avoid direct attention) went through fort's post on page 26, that did help out understanding the sr on gary a bit more but...that just makes it be less sensible, why is plur on them rn? continuing to go through the page i'd like to restate that my tl is less so "yes i can see its gary and i have to protect them" and more so "what in gods name does this wagon mean why isn't it making sense to me but sounds so right to the people on him" as for playing safe...i'd like to page it down to this being forums and me actually trying to think about what i'm typing rather than on the spot from chat mafia i kinda want to imagine that gary's vote on peng is more so survivalistic but probably doesn't discount a team where both gary and peng are scum(possible bus?) sky mentioned something about scum wanting to generate towncred, and i would agree that verti might be the one most eager for it if i'm reading the game-state right i did realize something while looking at page 27 but could wallape explain why pengscum is linked to kliff+chaostrodon? and how that scumteam meshes together i think thats all from me today but i think dl is soon so i'm going to land a late vote down, i am wondering about quo,fort,kliff and chaos rn and will properly go through their isos in a bit, maybe smth will change my mind(i'll start making votecounts from tomorrow since i can't stand not knowing) vote penguin |
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Post by articunight on Jun 11, 2021 22:15:13 GMT
womp hi alright so i looked back a bit and am realizing that people are overblowing my tl on day 1, gary and cyan just sounded like they were sensibly trying to push ddlc and that lined up with what i wanted (pressure on ddlc) which made me tl them a bit i think that is @skyfigureoa's main question from me rn Beyond that i'd love to see a votecount since i really am bad at casing stuff without one uh when i posted it was largley iioa i admit since i couldn't get a decent read from what i was observing, i remember quojova pointing out d1 that "fort fitted in their scumrange" or smth similar which was why i asked them to scumcase fort since i was wondering if it ever went further than that but from what i can tell you just null read them? i really don't get why peng is sring me but i do agree that a slot as null as this would be more detrimental to town than beneficial and would be inclined to vote them out i don't have any interactions with verti or wape since...there's nothing i can really pick out from them from memory so lemme start casing them Wape: i kinda disliked how long wape stayed on gary without any decent reasoning(re: fake uncertainty and nothing else) but assuming gary is town wape's actions line up with a towny mindset. Day 1 ddlc votes were generally understandable but that might just be my pov aligning with them vertigo: the more i read into vert vs ddlc the more it just looks like two towns(in retrospect since i assumed it'd be scum ddlc v vertigo although i can't discount scum vertigo v ddlc) i liked that they pointed out how few interactions couldn't be ai considering we're still in the early-game. they did call out penguin to be a null slot rather than a blatant sl which didn't make sense to me from a townie perspective(reluctance to vote partner? diverting attention? the gary vote still doesn't make sense to me beyond "they don't have any substance in their posts" i understand that gary is the plur right now but i can't get behind the reasoning for the vote if anyone would like to elaborate that i'd be super happy. i'll probably double post since i'm awake rn brb |
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Post by articunight on Jun 10, 2021 21:14:49 GMT
eh digimon maf gary was a little more confident too. might just be a situational thing. bgb did a pretty good job convincing me and im considering gary/cyan more. penguind i mean he's a lurker u can throw him in with any scum pairing and it would make sense lol. kliff whats ur current read on articoo i remember u kinda feeling like they were town yday which i didnt agree with. does it still feel that way
idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. General reads: tl on cyan and gary rn, gary's may be subject to change if fortcolors has a sizable reason cyan's is primarily since i can understand the logic behind their push slight sl on peng, slightly larger sl on ddlc i suppose though i'm still miffed how the only way of getting attention on other players is wagoning onto penguin :/ i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) other ramblings: currently my votepool probably has ddlc and penguin albeit i'm not voting either rn, i would also like to see a bit of pressure on quojova/kliff to seal a tl or uncover an sl i am curious on your reads so far and would love an elaboration quojova since i'm having some difficulty in seeing who you're voting rn(or want to vote rn), although the votecount showed a vote from you on chaostrodon.
2.Looks like they were pretty confident on ddlc being maf, even though they ended up voting them near EOD.
3.Went from lynching the 0-poster to lynch the Trending active player. Though i guess it was just pressure/highlight.
In a dire need of a update from them. I am just currently watching this slot.regarding the quote itself i'm not sure what your 3 points are pointing out beyond "red flag due to disagreement from tl" iioa, is there a specific read you want me to update on? separate rambling killmeta weirded me out and is making me assume peng to be town? since a null kill target implies scum is fine with the current status quo, and peng was the main potential cw at eod1 from my pov i really don't understand the gary vote and am hoping someone can make another cohesive post about why there are 4 people on them. bit tired right now so i'm going to properly look over each person once i wake up although i dont get quojova's being on peng today(is it still the same reasoning as yday?) peng being on fort is just as confusing to me since the thought progression isn't getting through i have a slight interest in quojova to scumcase fortcolors. i'm not sure why sky is on me but after reading up i'm realizing that i haven't looked at a single notification after seeing that fort is liking all of them oops
best i can do is answer the questions in the first tag now ig A: Responses from someone who's being sred would allow me to determine a stronger read on them rather than being shaky over peng/ddlc at day1 B: i can't remember who was on the wagon at that point what i was more interested in was who else would hop on/dismiss the wagon in its entirety but that became a lot less important once ddlc revealed as town "if that's the case and ur just waiting for scum to offer diversions from the wagon, there have definitely been a number of other wagons that could potentially serve as these diversions. it's mostly u saying the neutral to sl thing that throws me off cuz it sounds like ur already okay with shifting to ddlc but also not none of the wagons at the point had taken plur(as far as i could tell) considering that i assumed scums would just try to avoid drawing further attention but that falls invalid again since ddlc flipped town although i was interested in the eod gary wagon of chaos+verti+ddlc i'll try to keep an eye out on notifs from now gn |
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Post by articunight on Jun 8, 2021 22:13:14 GMT
oh mfw you actually did respond, i'm dead tired but quote it
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Post by articunight on Jun 8, 2021 22:12:40 GMT
its late at night rn and since ddlc hasn't responded with a post that makes me tl them so far
vote: ddlc
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