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I know at this point y’all are probably gonna scream that you found scumpartners, but….. I don’t get why arti is catching heat I haven’t seen anything particularly scummy about their posts and it feels blown outta proportion

i think your vote on CK is actually the worst and has the most partner equity out of the CK wagon tbh
i wouldn't exactly call your slots disaligned nor aligned and my scumreads on both of you are because of your behaviors in a vacuum

^ posts like this also feel aligned since CK is misrepresenting the bulk of my argument against articoo without directly addressing a read on them
i did a similar thing to defend my scummate d1 in hydra event
if ck is s! this post feels like scumteam is preparing to manufacture a cfd onto someone else

the reason why i view it as sheeping is because it feels somewhat concealed sheeping?
like they quoted toni's post and pretty much reiterated his exact point (that the reads were manufactured), it's not like they're quoting and saying "i agree with this"
the vote on you feels really sheepy for this reason - or, perhaps more accurately, bandwagony? it just feels like they jumped on your vote without original thought and with the intent to conceal that
plus the "why are you scumreading both me and ck?" really feels baselevel partnered to me, especially in gamestate where a lot of discussion is revolving around both you and arti - combining this with the reasons i scumread you both individually makes me ~confident in your partner equity rn (though I will add I do think your recent posts are better than your initial popin, specifically this post and the GTS interaction)

I do lowkey agree to you when it comes to the way they jumped on me it just seems random asf when a lot of their posts don’t indicate them sring me at all, considering that I flip town I’m really fucking confused about what arti is doing with that, but I don’t think scum blatantly votes me like that then comes to my defense WHILE staying on me as scumit’s probably just some green fuckery. I still don’t think it makes sense to give arti scum equity off that interaction with crespo about the OM FOS though because it’s something that a fair bit of the PL came to as well and it seems genuine to me.

the om fos was the reasoning for sring you, no?
toni called out people tling twt/sling om for nothingreasons early on, arti sheeped that and said mentioned that the reads were manufactured (which was pretty much toni's entire point) and voted you
the initial reason i was sring them is because of that; the vote on you felt weird and bandwagony/sheepy (not sure which term is more applicable here, i think sheeping?)
i can't really take into stock the parts of that which are, "i know i'm town so I don't scumread arti for their interactions with my wagon" but fmpov where i don't know either of your alignments it does look scummy and partnered imo

Alrighty I caught up a fair bit, I'm ambivalent about the # of posts so far because while 3 pages is significantly easier for me to read up on and catch up on the gamestate, I also feel like activity is dead here whereas the other game already has like 12 pages which tells me our side of the game needs to pick up activity, and that includes myself

vote @penguind

Prodigu I'm too lazy to multi quote atm but I saw you asked if me saying I wanted to RVS was based off of a read I got from someone, and my answer is no, even after reading up; as much as I'd like to just sniff out the tiniest bit of content I could consider wolfy, I can't really lean on a scumread or vote someone over the other because of something that may have happened, even though I said what I said about GTS' relatively weird (to me) entry to the game, so I'm sticking my vote here

PokeCartBeast is null atm, leaning town, I feel like their reads are all relatively authentic (including their read on me), but at the same time I can't really town them because their read on Toni being town is super low-effort, almost just an excuse to say something about that slot's existence

Not saying that this is indicative of anything or any partnerships but I don't really like the buddying that has taken place this game, but as I continued to read, I see it's dying down, so maybe it's just me being overly paranoid like usual

Define forced here - do you think in general I'm just trying to fit ppl into a box? Throw suspicion off a partner by towning them? Does my viewpoint seem nonsensical?

do you have partner reads? 
any concerns with how the CK wagoned and how the threadstate reacted to it?

aligning got a lot more active after being nommed unsure if that's indicative of either alignment? I want to say sl though, most of their stuff prior to today was either iioa, sheeping or shitposting apart from that one post at page 3.

The amount of random tl's i saw on them were also kinda weird? am i misunderstanding or are you guys just tling people who are around at sod1?

I could see them partnering with yash, it feels like a fairly random townlean that doesn't really have a place, has that changed so far AligningStars ?

Gonna walk through my read on OM (TR) then ill finally go read Aligning / Pcb but i wanted to just give him a 2nd read first to make sure i dont miss anything

1 - I like the way OM entered thread when it came to game-relevant content, feel like his original i wouldnt call it read list, but it basically was hit some point / thoughts i had w/ Toni and in relation to Ck,
I wanna reread it again but being on mobile means i need to make this first, iirc asked questions / made content that i felt was pretty town motivated and felt like he was diving in

Think theres some points where he and i have differed in pcb / john where i was lightly townie on pcb and null / there was a point i disliked something abt the john slot

2- there was a convo w/ aligning he had that i also liked tbh idt there was something specific i had in mind but i got good vibes on it

3- feel like the unpartnering / partnering looks good

Overall ive felt good abt him and continue to currently feel good i dont see myself voting him today tbh so im def voting in pcb / aligning

I feel like the constant TRing of OM by the PL is a mix of vibes + just shoehorning the read itself, and it seems way too easy to just assume that with little to nothing going for it. You could say this is hypocritical of myself and you'd be right but I'm not necessarily towning myself or convincing anyone I'm town either. Simply just off of vibes, I already don't like how d1 progressed, would've been better off voting me so I could nom more questionable slots than these three and actually force question mark slots to start playing the game for everyone else's benefit

Also I feel like in the same light that OM is being TRed, PCB did a very similar thing and unless I'm misreading the progression with regards to both them + OM, I fail to see what the difference is aside from forcibly making PCB an easier vote

Aligning also feels like a slot that people justify to be voted out, not because they've done anything inherently scummy, rather they just use the OM nom as an opportunity to reiterate their TR on him and then deflect attention to the other two as a result

To be quite frank, I feel like all 3 of these slots could go either way, and I can't say with full confidence that one is more likely to be scum than town, so from my perspective, looking at what I think/know, I'm voting the person I think has provided the least likely to be town, and that is OM

Feel free to disagree or call me out for any of this, idrc

Only thing that makes me hesitant on OM in future rounds is that if they are scum but more and more ppl town him, he could become impossible to deal with, but there's also the complete opposite of the spectrum where cuddleszz came basically out of nowhere and accused me of being scum with OM which I found kinda weird? I'm not going to solve for partners this soon but I feel like cuddz and OM could either be TvT or TvS? If it's the latter, then I wouldn't know who to pick for town and scum, although in the event that the game progresses in that direction generally, I wouldn't be opposed to voting either out

I feel so called out by some of this

So i like wanna understand this

1) You think the TRs on OM are being shoehorned in, so like does this mean ppl are trying to just strongarm OM into like Town / Towncore in your eyes?

^ if like thats what you mean (and i think it is) it looks like youre thinking ppl putting OM into town are just fabricating the read, which would ig mean that at least 1 or 2 maybe 3? Idk if id put 3. But in a Scum OM world then that some of those reads are trying to just make sure OM reaches an endgame scenario essentially?

Who would you put as an OM partner here then

2) do you think new TR OM readers are just fabricating the read then to try to get an easy mis vote off onto Aligning / Pcb?

3) I dont like the last justification part of like where youre saying that if OM reaches future rounds he’ll be problematic to deal with.

I dislike this because it feels like youre trying to justify a vote onto OM b/c “he could be scum and if he is lets get rid of him now b/c he could be a pain later if ppl town him”

I feel like this is disregarding the “well what if OM is town here”
I think like realistically in the T OM world the vote ends up being rly bad when OM can definitively do rly well in an end game scenario (i think the world is T OM tbh)

Idk about this last part tbh

Also turt has said a whole lot of nothing, i dont get the read on them. they havent really done too much for town so far.

cuddz push on OM seems a little weird to me here. I dont see how their really getting their reads and they dont really have any backup to support their arguments (:nerd:)

Reading through arti here, theres some lines that do seem off

ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/129399/thread < Here they talk about PCB seeming to act panicky which i dont understand their general idea of voting CK there. Nothing much to say after that pretty much the whole thread is dead.

I would like to know whats everyone opinion on the noms and who they would like to vote and why

this was meant to mean "we didn't have any info back then"

I’m just saying it feels like your throwing out reads for the sake of throwing out reads which to me isnt helpful lol - like I fail to see john’s not voting as relevant/indicative of a certain alignment 

it’s not smth inherently scummy but its d1 and u have no pressure so

I'm gonna be a dentist after we're done here oml

gts hoe get off of me
opportunistic much

Gary The Savage hey bossman is the sheepgomoo read real is it a meta tell idk what's up w that

I know at this point y’all are probably gonna scream that you found scumpartners, but….. I don’t get why arti is catching heat I haven’t seen anything particularly scummy about their posts and it feels blown outta proportion

no, i don't think i will
in regards to your second post, why don't you want to shift off sgm? the vote isn't really achieving anything atp