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Post by grendel on Jan 29, 2021 5:27:58 GMT
Grendel and Quo need to say their night actions Would no lynch be a good idea? or would it be too risky? My night 1 action left me unable to take a night action tonight. and by tonight i mean last night. |
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Post by grendel on Jan 29, 2021 5:31:37 GMT
I think that scum went all or nothing to do a double kill.
Other sites tmk let docs cover for poisn kills so I think that Litt couldnt be poisened, and unless Almost has a case for Flush being poisened I think thats a non-entity.
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Post by grendel on Jan 29, 2021 5:45:49 GMT
I dont think that a abstain is a great idea today since Quo is basically town cleared.
Ill be back roughly 10pm est time tomarrow, Im too intoxicated atm. I'd definitely like to hear every players perspective before then if possible
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 29, 2021 8:34:46 GMT
My solve yesterday was Almost w/ PTSD as a left field theory. But I'll consider both. Yeah it's down to Me V/S PTSD From PTSD's POV, quo is cleared and from my POV grendel is cleared due to my follower IF PTSD is town: that means he didn't lie about quo being cleared and then.. everyone is cleared? IF PTSD is scum: that means he lied about quo being cleared In both cases, quo is clear and so is grendel Lynch PassTheSaltDudeThere is no point in no lynching, it'll be the most pointless move ever because we have two clears. Risky, even. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 29, 2021 15:16:51 GMT
so is everyone else dead or what
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Post by quojova on Jan 29, 2021 17:32:39 GMT
I legit think grendel is the scummiest from a purely post perspective but the night results make that a statistically unsound move
I will be kinda sad if grendel is the mafia but I don't think there's really anything I can do about it
so towncases
az:
-voted bath early on, although it is possible that he sensed the day would not be ending without bath dying given the state of the game
-his posts are better than ptsd's from a "good player who advances the game" perspective. This is almost a non-factor but I'm trying to make an exhaustive list
ptsd:
-sred bath early d1 and even sred the people who tred bath for meh reasons (but did not vote)
-cc was fairly useful
scumcases:
az:
-completely useless actions
ptsd:
-somewhat bad cc targets
this is where I'm at so if you have anything you want to add pls tell me
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Post by quojova on Jan 29, 2021 17:33:54 GMT
My solve yesterday was Almost w/ PTSD as a left field theory. But I'll consider both. Yeah it's down to Me V/S PTSD From PTSD's POV, quo is cleared and from my POV grendel is cleared due to my follower IF PTSD is town: that means he didn't lie about quo being cleared and then.. everyone is cleared? IF PTSD is scum: that means he lied about quo being cleared In both cases, quo is clear and so is grendel Lynch PassTheSaltDudeThere is no point in no lynching, it'll be the most pointless move ever because we have two clears. Risky, even. it's great that everything is sorted from your pov but can you attempt to convince me on this |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jan 29, 2021 18:15:56 GMT
Lynch AlmostZero
As far as I’m concerned we have this game in the bag.
AZ has had both their night actions directly reflect Quojovas, a little bit after Quojova states his actions. And the thing about them not being able to use investigation but using tracker, still bugs me a lot. And aside from that, their lynch on chap felt super iffy to me.
In all honesty of the game, Grendel is the scummiest here, but they are cleared solely because of night actions. The opposite is with AZ, they had a towniei game than Grendel did but their night actions make are want guarantee them being scum.
For my own defense, there would be 0 reason for me to as scum CC 2 town members and clear them, especially in a situation where it was 1v5.
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Post by quojova on Jan 29, 2021 18:27:26 GMT
im tempted just to vote someone temporarily and confirm grendel as town so I don't have to deal with that possibility
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Post by smallworldz on Jan 29, 2021 22:14:37 GMT
Votes so far
PTSD:Almost zero *
Almost zero:Ptsd
not voting:grendel,quojova
Deadline is in ~21 hours from writing this post
If deadline was now PTSD would be lynched as they have plur
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 30, 2021 3:14:44 GMT
Yeah it's down to Me V/S PTSD From PTSD's POV, quo is cleared and from my POV grendel is cleared due to my follower IF PTSD is town: that means he didn't lie about quo being cleared and then.. everyone is cleared? IF PTSD is scum: that means he lied about quo being cleared In both cases, quo is clear and so is grendel Lynch PassTheSaltDudeThere is no point in no lynching, it'll be the most pointless move ever because we have two clears. Risky, even. it's great that everything is sorted from your pov but can you attempt to convince me on this Eh, in that case let me have a conversation with PTSD. passthesaltdude With the knowledge of being able to use vigilante and perform two kills, you knew that compatibility checker claim is an easy claim, as being able to simply killing off the confirmed characters will render the claim effectively useless. However, killing both the confirmed characters can raise doubts, and henceforth you decided to kill flush instead. Fact is, you were in a bad spot. Fake scumhunting was hard due to your inactivity and due to your plays so far, so you knew that a powerful role claim is the only thing that can save you. Tell me, how right am I PTSD? You know what, I'll keep that aside. The reads you made on day one were rather flimsy. I've already commented on your townreads, but your scumreads were far from pushy and influential; it really seemed like you just wanted to SR bath with a 'for the record I SR'd bath' objective in mind, rather than actually pushing them for a lynch and do active scumhunting Furthermore, before your cc claim there was little to no activity, and the reason for the cc targets is extremely flimsy too. ..and other than that, I actually don't have much to say to PTSD. I really thought this post is going to be much longer, but there is so little content from PTSD that I was only able to write this much despite having the objective to highlight each and every word PTSD said this game. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 30, 2021 3:27:10 GMT
In that case, I'll go the defending route Lynch AlmostZeroAs far as I’m concerned we have this game in the bag. AZ has had both their night actions directly reflect Quojovas, a little bit after Quojova states his actions. And the thing about them not being able to use investigation but using tracker, still bugs me a lot. And aside from that, their lynch on chap felt super iffy to me. In all honesty of the game, Grendel is the scummiest here, but they are cleared solely because of night actions. The opposite is with AZ, they had a towniei game than Grendel did but their night actions make are want guarantee them being scum. For my own defense, there would be 0 reason for me to as scum CC 2 town members and clear them, especially in a situation where it was 1v5. First off, fact is, those were my night actions and there's nothing else for me to say. 'Mirror Quojova'; please. Especially for this day, I literally made a post that simply said 'oh quojova sniped me'. I'm not interested in playing a game of 'who posted their night action first'. And seriously, I really don't think I'm that bad at this game that I'll have to resort to 'mirroring' someone else's actions instead of coming up with proper actions of my own. Secondly, if my night action of follower (not tracker, they are different) is really this big of an issue to you then we can publicly ask the host if a situation such as my night action is possible. I'm not interested in debating this. If you plan on bringing this up again, just ask the host and resolve this. And lastly, the cc 2 town members was your last resort, and it was only the two people who were more omni-townread than others. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 30, 2021 3:29:45 GMT
im tempted just to vote someone temporarily and confirm grendel as town so I don't have to deal with that possibility ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know why you're so hung up on grendel, we've got two people vouching for him not performing any actions at night. It is virtually impossible for him to do two kills without being spotted by two people |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jan 30, 2021 3:47:37 GMT
it’s way too late for my brain to be working but your entire two posts can be summed up in
“You claimed to use CC and that makes you scum because it was an attempt of desperation.”
“I have no defense for me copying quojova, but if i was scum i’d be too smart to play that”
Your defense and accusations are based more on assumptions than they are any drop of logic.
Plus your entire attack against me is just you mapping out what i did as scum. And coming up with your reason that i double killed Litt and Flush to not gain suspicion is pretty flimsy. Especially since i cleared Litt and Quo as town, so there would be 0 reason for me to kill flush, otherwise it just digs me into an even deeper hole if i was scum.
Unfortunately due to a large part of inactivity there isn’t much to work with here. But i have a question for you, mechanics aside. Why did you use a follower on grendel? This isn’t a big case or anything, i just want to know why you decided to choose follower of all things
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Post by quojova on Jan 30, 2021 3:57:56 GMT
im tempted just to vote someone temporarily and confirm grendel as town so I don't have to deal with that possibility ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know why you're so hung up on grendel, we've got two people vouching for him not performing any actions at night. It is virtually impossible for him to do two kills without being spotted by two people when I wrote that I had already forgotten you confirmed the lack of grendel actions with your action that makes me less worried |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 30, 2021 4:07:01 GMT
it’s way too late for my brain to be working but your entire two posts can be summed up in “You claimed to use CC and that makes you scum because it was an attempt of desperation.” “I have no defense for me copying quojova, but if i was scum i’d be too smart to play that” Your defense and accusations are based more on assumptions than they are any drop of logic. Plus your entire attack against me is just you mapping out what i did as scum. And coming up with your reason that i double killed Litt and Flush to not gain suspicion is pretty flimsy. Especially since i cleared Litt and Quo as town, so there would be 0 reason for me to kill flush, otherwise it just digs me into an even deeper hole if i was scum.
Unfortunately due to a large part of inactivity there isn’t much to work with here. But i have a question for you, mechanics aside. Why did you use a follower on grendel? This isn’t a big case or anything, i just want to know why you decided to choose follower of all things Nah, your summary is some serious case of bad paraphrasing. Don't try to change my sentences just to make me look bad. First sentence, I was ruling out the possibility that your CC automatically makes you town. I was dictating the most likely course of actions, and the mindset you had whilst doing so. And even then, what is wrong with me accusing you of claiming in desperation? How on EARTH is that not a valid point? Jesus, that summary was terrible. Secondly, """but if I was scum I'd be too smart to play that""" If that was all that you took away from the line, then perhaps there's no point in us having a conversation. This is the second time you've completely ignored the fact that I explicitly state that quo literally sent his action minutes before mine, which I didn't even get the time to read. And if you want me to play it your way, then yes I am too smart to copy quojova. So is everyone in the game. And seriously, to start it off with 'I have no defense'? Seriously? I'm legitimately disappointed in you. You know what's even worse? Fact is, I don't have to defend my night actions at all. I don't. I did what I did, and I can explain my actions. And to reply to what you wrote in red, I LITERALLY wrote why you would flush in the post you were replying to. To answer your question, grendel post-wise was definitely in the scumlist, which you agree with. Follower is a non-investigative role that can also inform me if a kill was performed by the person I was following. I don't know what's the point of you asking me this. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 30, 2021 4:11:15 GMT
Sorry if I sounded slightly rude or angry, because to tell you the truth I'm definitely slightly pissed off/angry. It pains me when someone tries to decides to take your post and try to "summarise" it, all the while ignoring literally all of the content. Especially the "I have no defence for copying quojova" phrase. It's a terrible accusation that literally concerns a 'who posts first' rather than actual gameplay, which honestly takes away all the fun from this game
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Post by grendel on Jan 30, 2021 4:16:01 GMT
You two are more fimilar with PTSD's bussing meta im guessing.
Im used to scum being more proactive if they decide to bus. B/v scum lose out on town cred for bussing if they dont really drive it home inthread imo. So im interested if the low energy push on Bath by PTSD is something they would do as scum. Can somebody give me their thoughts on that?
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Post by grendel on Jan 30, 2021 4:20:28 GMT
passthesaltdudeCan you remind me what your thought process was when choosing Flush, and Quo, as your compatiblity checks?
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Post by grendel on Jan 30, 2021 4:24:49 GMT
I'd like to get this cleared up.
@smallzworld
do you consider follower an investigative role?
-/-/-/-
I've also considered a follower to be an investigative. Its a more obscure role tho, so other's applications for it could be differnt.
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Post by grendel on Jan 30, 2021 4:27:09 GMT
I'd like to get this cleared up. @smallzworld do you consider follower an investigative role? -/-/-/- I've also considered a follower to be an investigative. Its a more obscure role tho, so other's applications for it could be differnt. |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jan 30, 2021 4:27:19 GMT
passthesaltdudeCan you remind me what your thought process was when choosing Flush, and Quo, as your compatiblity checks? This will probably be my last post before i sleep but the reason why i decided to do (Litt and Quo) for cc was because out of those two they seemed like the best two people to clear for being town, and it would be super helpful if one of them turned out to be scum, otherwise it might’ve been near impossible to stop them afterwards. Also i’ll address the whole AZ thing in the morning but their entire posts just come off as way too incredibly hostile without a reason, and they’ve said/done nothing to actually give a proper reason as to why they have been town. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 30, 2021 4:42:29 GMT
You two are more fimilar with PTSD's bussing meta im guessing. Im used to scum being more proactive if they decide to bus. B/v scum lose out on town cred for bussing if they dont really drive it home inthread imo. So im interested if the low energy push on Bath by PTSD is something they would do as scum. Can somebody give me their thoughts on that? I really don't know anyone's playermeta, I've had limited interactions with everybody And I'm not sure what you mean by the proactive and bussing thing. PTSD's read on Bath can hardly be read as bussing, but is rather more of a distancing read. |
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Post by grendel on Jan 30, 2021 4:54:25 GMT
Thats my point, it was such a weak push on Bath that I think its weird scum would bother to do it in the first place.
Im trying to decide if from the perspective of how PTSD normally approtches games if thats how they would have done it
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 30, 2021 4:56:08 GMT
Also i’ll address the whole AZ thing in the morning but their entire posts just come off as way too incredibly hostile without a reason, and they’ve said/done nothing to actually give a proper reason as to why they have been town. Didn't I make a post stating why I was pissed off? This is the third time you're ignoring my posts, at this point I have no idea what you're achieving my doing so And furthermore, I didn't think it was necessary to state "why I'm town" because that is for my actions to speak; I'm playing a game of mafia where I scumhunt, not running for an election. I mean, what do I even say? I've actively tried to scumhunt by applying pressure (SEE: bath, grendel) and use role-logic to stay on top of the game and be active when necessary. It feels like I'm writing my mafia resume. This is stupid. |
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