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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 19:06:38 GMT
i guess the bigger question is if bath tmi'd quojova
litt did point something out like that
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Post by quojova on Jan 20, 2021 19:11:27 GMT
why wouldn't you want too many nulls? the line feels super disingenuous to say because it's implying you faked a read intentionally. I can't think of town that does so, plus your net efforts today have just been to try to please town or deflect, like when you tried to bring up activity when it doesn't make sense to do so my vote on you is no longer rvs, but I'll keep an open mind
like calling something null is a lateral move
we all start at null
reiterating that is redundant
so if bath is trying to make reads i dont view that act itself as scummy despite how much i agree or disagree with their reads
because disingenuous isn't necessarily connected to that at this stage in the gameIf I were to say "I lean town on you because you used italics in this post" in a 100% serious way would that say anything about my alignment? when I say that its only half rhetorical, you could probably argue it doesn't and it's admittedly hard to get a direct connection between bad read and scum I think there's something there though, like just the pressure to have as many reads as the rest of the town if they don't have a good sense for how many reads they should have at that point because they know the alignment of every player admittedly as I try to justify this it is appearing more and more like a lofty conclusion I'd drop bath to ~31% scum atp |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 19:14:03 GMT
i think the key to reading bath here isn't if he's forcing stuff or not or whatever but more like
can he believe what he's saying
like is his mind actually making those leaps to force a read or is he just saying shit
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Post by quojova on Jan 20, 2021 19:16:02 GMT
i guess the bigger question is if bath tmi'd quojova
litt did point something out like that
what is this about? |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 19:17:09 GMT
Reads based on the almost no info provided (in no order) - Litt - Town Lean - i can never read litt ever at all but I dont see scum lynching first here quojova - town read - town locked for starting the game off for reading energy I like that approach (possible bad read on chapter7 tho) chapter 7 - null - literally dropped a lynch and hasn't said shit else kek forgot to flush - Scum Lean - I don't like how you attempting to start a wagon without saying shit else. That's the first red flag i see so... PTSD - town lean - responded to litts obv semi meme reads with a semi meme statement and hasn't offered shite else so idk Nobody else has talked and is auto null so Lynch Forgot2FlushI post a general "How ya doin'" ego opener post with little to no hold on the game state for years with no bearing on my alignment. The point you're arguing is v null. oh hello grendel, never seen your name around before funny enough this collection of players is extremely random despite it being a home site, and people don't have distinguished metas on each other which is a decent thing I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting quo v bath doesn't seem s v s, because they feel too clowny to have been staged to me. Quo's statements aren't scummy in this exchange, but I'm keeping an open mind on the actual slot solve With regard to the quoted line p sure quo's initial lynch was just rvs with a fake reason but he's developed a proper read behind the lynch because of what came further down the line in response, so I don't think this is right analysis of that, it's more the later progression of the slot that developed the read |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 19:18:31 GMT
Reads based on the almost no info provided (in no order) - Litt - Town Lean - i can never read litt ever at all but I dont see scum lynching first here quojova - town read - town locked for starting the game off for reading energy I like that approach (possible bad read on chapter7 tho) chapter 7 - null - literally dropped a lynch and hasn't said shit else kek forgot to flush - Scum Lean - I don't like how you attempting to start a wagon without saying shit else. That's the first red flag i see so... PTSD - town lean - responded to litts obv semi meme reads with a semi meme statement and hasn't offered shite else so idk Nobody else has talked and is auto null so Lynch Forgot2Flushoh hello grendel, never seen your name around before funny enough this collection of players is extremely random despite it being a home site, and people don't have distinguished metas on each other which is a decent thing I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting quo v bath doesn't seem s v s, because they feel too clowny to have been staged to me. Quo's statements aren't scummy in this exchange, but I'm keeping an open mind on the actual slot solve With regard to the quoted line p sure quo's initial lynch was just rvs with a fake reason but he's developed a proper read behind the lynch because of what came further down the line in response, so I don't think this is right analysis of that, it's more the later progression of the slot that developed the read
is this an internally consistent mindset or did he just flat out tmi
i feel like it's more likely that bath had lucked out into appearing like he had an internally consistent mindset rather than actually having one given how all-over-the-place his posts are
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 19:19:30 GMT
I have no option to reply directly that I see on mobile. /shrug I dont see how what I said about litt is scummy considering a quarter of the pl hasn't talked yet lmfao. there wasn't much of a read bc there's not yet much to read ?.?for all we really know, neither scum has talked yet tbh also this is my first forum game so I wouldn't know how most other start firstly im more of a "follow my hunch" guy than a "logic tells me x" kinda guy. secondly I do agree that scum prob wouldn't lynch first but gave nothing besides that bc as I've said, I'm not very good at reading Litt. also litt is listed as tl bc didnt want too many nulls, correct |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 19:19:52 GMT
I have no option to reply directly that I see on mobile. /shrug I dont see how what I said about litt is scummy considering a quarter of the pl hasn't talked yet lmfao. there wasn't much of a read bc there's not yet much to read ?.?for all we really know, neither scum has talked yet tbh also this is my first forum game so I wouldn't know how most other start firstly im more of a "follow my hunch" guy than a "logic tells me x" kinda guy. secondly I do agree that scum prob wouldn't lynch first but gave nothing besides that bc as I've said, I'm not very good at reading Litt. also litt is listed as tl bc didnt want too many nulls, correct |
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Post by litteleven on Jan 20, 2021 19:21:32 GMT
fair yeah
generally agree with summary in that quo grendel seem town to me, the latter less so, and neither should be voted today unless a serious slip occurs
i think i'll wait for bath to respond
opinion seems decently split so not sure where to go yet, but I hope bath returns to the thread before like a random trucky shift
also eod isn't very accessible in terms of simultaneous people online to discuss the final lynch, so need earlier consensus
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Post by litteleven on Jan 20, 2021 19:22:57 GMT
did not realise there was a new page
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 19:24:09 GMT
oh yeah eod is at 6am isnt it
the best vote i can think of right now is chappie but i'd rather just wait to hear back from him
i've been wrong almost every single time on him by now I think
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Post by litteleven on Jan 20, 2021 19:28:32 GMT
quoted posts are correct
usually in response to a question by a person you evaluate how scum they are and respond accordingly, with either a counter argument or a 'work with you' attitude depending on how much you think they're scum
to me bath just missed the thing and went defensive immediately
-> he thought quo was town while making the post
when I reset to look at the same spot it just felt odd that bath would have no doubt present there, since they're not exactly a new face to mafia as a concept, just to it on the forums.
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Post by bathsplishsploosh on Jan 20, 2021 19:32:54 GMT
yeah I get how what I said seems like I was just spewing shit but litt was tl and not null bc I usually misread. ForgotToFlush you are sl and other is not bc I took it as rvs and you were 2nd to lynch seeming to me that you were pushing an early game wagon |
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Post by bathsplishsploosh on Jan 20, 2021 19:33:52 GMT
I still read quo as town btw.
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Post by litteleven on Jan 20, 2021 19:40:38 GMT
2 cents chappie made the post to do something with it, it's just a case on a lurkslot and puts in the idea that being good as town = not lurking
chappie!scum means (probably) they posted that with the intent of solidifying a secondary wagon which would fit timeline wise in 'stuff to do' for scum, fits in with their shallow defense on bath being a single post
it's not unreasonable but I don't think the second is true yet, cause it feels like a highly skimmed read as opposed to not grasping gamestate
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Post by chapterseven on Jan 20, 2021 20:10:51 GMT
chapterseven why did you think that the pressure on bath was "pointless"
Because like I said before, Bath feels like they are actually trying to solve the game as of this current moment and are actually giving reads that help push the game in a meaningful way, compared to you ptsd and az. If rather apply pressure to a slot that I feel would give us more to work with. Notice how Bath at 2 votes didn't give anything But you at two votes did. You can say that you would have said what you would have said regardless of your posts but that's a lie because this question right here wouldn't exist if I didn't vote you |
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Post by chapterseven on Jan 20, 2021 20:11:33 GMT
Would Like to Say real quick that Mon-Friday I work 5PM-12AM so i will not be active at those times or around those times. with that said lets play the game. First, I'd like to say that i know its early game and we need something but y'all wildin with these TRs. I don't like the "scum wouldn't lynch first" by bath but i do like grendel's explanation of why, and its something i could see. While I don't think he/she is scum yet, Like Litt said I myself will also be keeping an open mind on !Scumbath one thing i'd like to say / look into before i switch over to my second topic is this. Now with that out of the way, that leads directly into my next topic UL Litt Lynch FlushPersonally I think people are putting (as of this current moment in the game) pointless pressure on the Bath slot when the Flush slot is far more deserving of it I understand people are busy (hell read the beginning of this post for me) but you're telling me you found nothing worth commenting on to the point where you filler about how to bold? At that point in the game there were 2 reads lists and PTSD's weird ass defending Grendel from an obvious joke post. I don't see why a player as Skilled and aggressive as Flush would start the game with a filler post (i don't count his RVS vote as a real post since most of us were just lynching just to get something out there, so im referring to his bold post) would start the game with filler unless he was scum trying to play it safe and get something out. He could had done it like how Quo did. PTSD also slight scum for not having a stand anywhere and not saying anything important but I want to see how the Flush slot develops first so i want to put pressure on it.
you've seen my scum games
you've seen my town games
i feel like the first thought would be "this looks like neither" instead of "scum trying to play it safe"
like what would i be playing it safe from
this does not make a lot of sense to meU play scum like a snake |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 20:12:21 GMT
chapterseven why did you think that the pressure on bath was "pointless"
Because like I said before, Bath feels like they are actually trying to solve the game as of this current moment and are actually giving reads that help push the game in a meaningful way, compared to you ptsd and az. If rather apply pressure to a slot that I feel would give us more to work with. Notice how Bath at 2 votes didn't give anything But you at two votes did. You can say that you would have said what you would have said regardless of your posts but that's a lie because this question right here wouldn't exist if I didn't vote you
did you think I was just going to afk for 72 whole hours
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Post by chapterseven on Jan 20, 2021 20:13:59 GMT
chappie's bath defense is somewhat questionable
his push on me I've already talked about
need to hear back from him
Because at this current point in the game I see very little reason to Sr bath and I feel everyone's only putting attention on it to hid a like not active scum |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 20, 2021 20:17:48 GMT
yeah I get how what I said seems like I was just spewing shit but litt was tl and not null bc I usually misread. ForgotToFlush you are sl and other is not bc I took it as rvs and you were 2nd to lynch seeming to me that you were pushing an early game wagon
is it just raw numbers?
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Post by chapterseven on Jan 20, 2021 20:18:12 GMT
2 cents chappie made the post to do something with it, it's just a case on a lurkslot and puts in the idea that being good as town = not lurking chappie!scum means (probably) they posted that with the intent of solidifying a secondary wagon which would fit timeline wise in 'stuff to do' for scum, fits in with their shallow defense on bath being a single post it's not unreasonable but I don't think the second is true yet, cause it feels like a highly skimmed read as opposed to not grasping gamestate Why would I waste time solidifying a second wagon Why would I put myself in the spotlight? Also to a degree yes being a good town does mean not lurking. |
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Post by chapterseven on Jan 20, 2021 20:24:47 GMT
Because like I said before, Bath feels like they are actually trying to solve the game as of this current moment and are actually giving reads that help push the game in a meaningful way, compared to you ptsd and az. If rather apply pressure to a slot that I feel would give us more to work with. Notice how Bath at 2 votes didn't give anything But you at two votes did. You can say that you would have said what you would have said regardless of your posts but that's a lie because this question right here wouldn't exist if I didn't vote you
did you think I was just going to afk for 72 whole hours
First off nothing micro bout me
Second off no I'm saying would you have reacted the way you did if there were 0 votes on you and 1 vote on you, than you did with 2 votes on you.
You seem far more aggressive which is the flush I'm used to playing with now that you have 2 votes on you with a potential 3rd.
However I will say that there is something I skimmed over with and only hit me now
litteleven seems kinda Lynch happy. Why did you bring up the idea of a Policy vote for 1. And two why would you want to Policy Flush over PTSD/AZ. Especially considering Flush is / was active at that time why were you quick to jump. You were quick to agree to my admitted not the strongest reasoning for lynching Flush, yet I've never once seen you mention that you had a Sr / sl on flush until rn |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jan 20, 2021 20:45:55 GMT
First off, I wish there were more notices, I keep forgetting about this game with no reminder of it.
Skimming over the past couple of days here are my thoughts at the moment
Bath: The tone coming from bath is very lazy, if that makes any sense. He’s giving out all these reads but there seems to be no direction in them, he brings up points and never addresses them, even his early read list seems to come from 0 place of though. most of his iso is just giving out random excuses for a mistake he made super early on and none of the excuses are in any way valid, it almost reminds me of the way Cayden was playing as scum, where there more excuses than there were posts that needed excusing.
Grendel: The next person I have my eyes on is Grendel, very early on they seem to be excusing a lot of what Bath is doing with “They are from chat mafia” and “I used to do that every game I was town” and that seems to be relying a lot more on (I guess player meta is the best term to describe it?) rather than addressing any real in game points.
”PassTheSalt soft defending me is gross btw. It being a joke post doesn't make it any less of a buddying attempt.” Going on this basis that this isn’t a joke, it seems like a lazy stretch of the imagination to what was obviously an early game shitpost. This also seems to be their entire basis for the scumread, is the ‘Buddying attempt’ which overall seems like a lazy reasoning to scumread someone based off of a throw away joke.
(Ignore the slight difference in color from here btw)
LittEleven: LittEleven is probably my strongest townread just from skimming through the pages, this has to deal with how conscience their posts are and how they manage to get straight to the point without going off the topic or trying to change the topic.
“I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting“ - LittEleven
That quote to me perfectly sums up why I am town leaning LittEleven, it doesn’t beat off the bush and it’s a very clear response to someone defending Bath, nothing about the quote seems to be pushing a certain scum agenda either, it seems to be providing a clear and thoughtful explanation on what is happening.
Those were the 3 I had the most to say about and I colored their names to be more clear, everyone else I don’t have as much to say
Quojova= A lesser town lean than Litt but they very much have given that same vibe of actively scumhunting and trying to figure out the game
*Flush VS Chap is Scum V Town*= from what I’ve seen. Chap came at flush very early for filtering despite chap being one of the first to filler themselves, which seems very hypocritical even if chap was trying to include some weird player meta in it. The way Chap defends Bath feels forced as well, chap keeps saying that Bath is actively trying to scumhunt but they haven’t quoted any of it and aren’t speaking on it. On the other side of the coin, Flush posts seem to go nowhere, from reading his posts I haven’t sensed a strong direction and I don’t think I’ve seen any hard reads for him or many reads at all.
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Post by chapterseven on Jan 20, 2021 20:47:50 GMT
Hate to filler but please don't ever use that yellow color again
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Post by chapterseven on Jan 20, 2021 20:55:31 GMT
First off, I wish there were more notices, I keep forgetting about this game with no reminder of it. Skimming over the past couple of days here are my thoughts at the moment Bath: The tone coming from bath is very lazy, if that makes any sense. He’s giving out all these reads but there seems to be no direction in them, he brings up points and never addresses them, even his early read list seems to come from 0 place of though. most of his iso is just giving out random excuses for a mistake he made super early on and none of the excuses are in any way valid, it almost reminds me of the way Cayden was playing as scum, where there more excuses than there were posts that needed excusing. Grendel: The next person I have my eyes on is Grendel, very early on they seem to be excusing a lot of what Bath is doing with “They are from chat mafia” and “I used to do that every game I was town” and that seems to be relying a lot more on (I guess player meta is the best term to describe it?) rather than addressing any real in game points. ”PassTheSalt soft defending me is gross btw. It being a joke post doesn't make it any less of a buddying attempt.” Going on this basis that this isn’t a joke, it seems like a lazy stretch of the imagination to what was obviously an early game shitpost. This also seems to be their entire basis for the scumread, is the ‘Buddying attempt’ which overall seems like a lazy reasoning to scumread someone based off of a throw away joke. (Ignore the slight difference in color from here btw)LittEleven: LittEleven is probably my strongest townread just from skimming through the pages, this has to deal with how conscience their posts are and how they manage to get straight to the point without going off the topic or trying to change the topic. “I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting“ - LittEleven That quote to me perfectly sums up why I am town leaning LittEleven, it doesn’t beat off the bush and it’s a very clear response to someone defending Bath, nothing about the quote seems to be pushing a certain scum agenda either, it seems to be providing a clear and thoughtful explanation on what is happening. Those were the 3 I had the most to say about and I colored their names to be more clear, everyone else I don’t have as much to sayQuojova= A lesser town lean than Litt but they very much have given that same vibe of actively scumhunting and trying to figure out the game*Flush VS Chap is Scum V Town*= from what I’ve seen. Chap came at flush very early for filtering despite chap being one of the first to filler themselves, which seems very hypocritical even if chap was trying to include some weird player meta in it. The way Chap defends Bath feels forced as well, chap keeps saying that Bath is actively trying to scumhunt but they haven’t quoted any of it and aren’t speaking on it. On the other side of the coin, Flush posts seem to go nowhere, from reading his posts I haven’t sensed a strong direction and I don’t think I’ve seen any hard reads for him or many reads at all.Where have I been fillering? Unless you are talking about my RVS post which was just that an RVS post. After that I've been playing the game so I'm curious what you say my fillering posts are. This seems like such a weirdo angle to attack from and doesn't make sense if you were actually reading the day.
2) Remind me after work I gotchu
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