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Post by grendel on Jan 20, 2021 21:01:42 GMT
Is f2f normally a trolly poster?
Based off those being your only two posts at the time, and you having a funny username |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jan 20, 2021 21:04:12 GMT
First off, I wish there were more notices, I keep forgetting about this game with no reminder of it. Skimming over the past couple of days here are my thoughts at the moment Bath: The tone coming from bath is very lazy, if that makes any sense. He’s giving out all these reads but there seems to be no direction in them, he brings up points and never addresses them, even his early read list seems to come from 0 place of though. most of his iso is just giving out random excuses for a mistake he made super early on and none of the excuses are in any way valid, it almost reminds me of the way Cayden was playing as scum, where there more excuses than there were posts that needed excusing. Grendel: The next person I have my eyes on is Grendel, very early on they seem to be excusing a lot of what Bath is doing with “They are from chat mafia” and “I used to do that every game I was town” and that seems to be relying a lot more on (I guess player meta is the best term to describe it?) rather than addressing any real in game points. ”PassTheSalt soft defending me is gross btw. It being a joke post doesn't make it any less of a buddying attempt.” Going on this basis that this isn’t a joke, it seems like a lazy stretch of the imagination to what was obviously an early game shitpost. This also seems to be their entire basis for the scumread, is the ‘Buddying attempt’ which overall seems like a lazy reasoning to scumread someone based off of a throw away joke. (Ignore the slight difference in color from here btw)LittEleven: LittEleven is probably my strongest townread just from skimming through the pages, this has to deal with how conscience their posts are and how they manage to get straight to the point without going off the topic or trying to change the topic. “I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting“ - LittEleven That quote to me perfectly sums up why I am town leaning LittEleven, it doesn’t beat off the bush and it’s a very clear response to someone defending Bath, nothing about the quote seems to be pushing a certain scum agenda either, it seems to be providing a clear and thoughtful explanation on what is happening. Those were the 3 I had the most to say about and I colored their names to be more clear, everyone else I don’t have as much to sayQuojova= A lesser town lean than Litt but they very much have given that same vibe of actively scumhunting and trying to figure out the game*Flush VS Chap is Scum V Town*= from what I’ve seen. Chap came at flush very early for filtering despite chap being one of the first to filler themselves, which seems very hypocritical even if chap was trying to include some weird player meta in it. The way Chap defends Bath feels forced as well, chap keeps saying that Bath is actively trying to scumhunt but they haven’t quoted any of it and aren’t speaking on it. On the other side of the coin, Flush posts seem to go nowhere, from reading his posts I haven’t sensed a strong direction and I don’t think I’ve seen any hard reads for him or many reads at all.Where have I been fillering? Unless you are talking about my RVS post which was just that an RVS post. After that I've been playing the game so I'm curious what you say my fillering posts are. This seems like such a weirdo angle to attack from and doesn't make sense if you were actually reading the day.
2) Remind me after work I gotchu
Now that I've actually read this (yes my eyes hurt) Oh as I note I use galaxy mode for forums so to me those two looked about the same anyways when I refer to filler I mean your first post of the game. Your post said that Flush was way too experienced with forums to have his first post be a filler post while your first post was filler. That was the only gripe I had for that! |
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Post by grendel on Jan 20, 2021 21:12:57 GMT
chappie this is a microbrain take
did you think I was just going to afk for 72 whole hours
First off nothing micro bout me
Second off no I'm saying would you have reacted the way you did if there were 0 votes on you and 1 vote on you, than you did with 2 votes on you.
You seem far more aggressive which is the flush I'm used to playing with now that you have 2 votes on you with a potential 3rd.
However I will say that there is something I skimmed over with and only hit me now
litteleven seems kinda Lynch happy. Why did you bring up the idea of a Policy vote for 1. And two why would you want to Policy Flush over PTSD/AZ. Especially considering Flush is / was active at that time why were you quick to jump. You were quick to agree to my admitted not the strongest reasoning for lynching Flush, yet I've never once seen you mention that you had a Sr / sl on flush until rn I disagree with this take on Litteleven. Scum usually aren't that motivated to solidify a flip. In due part that day ending in a no flip basically is in their benefit. So Litt's concern of EoD/trying to prospect wagons, strikes me as very town. |
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Post by grendel on Jan 20, 2021 21:28:54 GMT
First off, I wish there were more notices, I keep forgetting about this game with no reminder of it. Skimming over the past couple of days here are my thoughts at the moment Bath: The tone coming from bath is very lazy, if that makes any sense. He’s giving out all these reads but there seems to be no direction in them, he brings up points and never addresses them, even his early read list seems to come from 0 place of though. most of his iso is just giving out random excuses for a mistake he made super early on and none of the excuses are in any way valid, it almost reminds me of the way Cayden was playing as scum, where there more excuses than there were posts that needed excusing. Grendel: The next person I have my eyes on is Grendel, very early on they seem to be excusing a lot of what Bath is doing with “They are from chat mafia” and “I used to do that every game I was town” and that seems to be relying a lot more on (I guess player meta is the best term to describe it?) rather than addressing any real in game points. ”PassTheSalt soft defending me is gross btw. It being a joke post doesn't make it any less of a buddying attempt.” Going on this basis that this isn’t a joke, it seems like a lazy stretch of the imagination to what was obviously an early game shitpost. This also seems to be their entire basis for the scumread, is the ‘Buddying attempt’ which overall seems like a lazy reasoning to scumread someone based off of a throw away joke. (Ignore the slight difference in color from here btw)
LittEleven: LittEleven is probably my strongest townread just from skimming through the pages, this has to deal with how conscience their posts are and how they manage to get straight to the point without going off the topic or trying to change the topic.
“I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting“ - LittEleven
That quote to me perfectly sums up why I am town leaning LittEleven, it doesn’t beat off the bush and it’s a very clear response to someone defending Bath, nothing about the quote seems to be pushing a certain scum agenda either, it seems to be providing a clear and thoughtful explanation on what is happening.
Those were the 3 I had the most to say about and I colored their names to be more clear, everyone else I don’t have as much to say
Quojova= A lesser town lean than Litt but they very much have given that same vibe of actively scumhunting and trying to figure out the game
*Flush VS Chap is Scum V Town*= from what I’ve seen. Chap came at flush very early for filtering despite chap being one of the first to filler themselves, which seems very hypocritical even if chap was trying to include some weird player meta in it. The way Chap defends Bath feels forced as well, chap keeps saying that Bath is actively trying to scumhunt but they haven’t quoted any of it and aren’t speaking on it. On the other side of the coin, Flush posts seem to go nowhere, from reading his posts I haven’t sensed a strong direction and I don’t think I’ve seen any hard reads for him or many reads at all.
I defended bath for mostly ideological reasons in what i felt wasnt a good push on the slot. I'm not currently leaning town, or mafia there, and im willing to take flack for assossitives if bath does turn out scum down the road. I said i recognized that you were joking around w/ your first post, but that isnt disqualify it being buddying. So defending it as an early game post dosent move me. analysis on Flush v Chap is pretty opportunistic. Seems like PTSD is waiting to see what other's takes on the "vs." before coming out with whether its t/t s/t s/s etc. and has set himself up to go in any of those directions. |
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Post by grendel on Jan 20, 2021 21:43:17 GMT
I understand that there are some lapses in the points Ch7 is raising. Folks sometimes open their games differnt whether b/c irl, or b.c personal pref- whaatever.
I do think that the way CH7 is intent on dueling F2F looks town. Only caveat is a world where this is a regular thing for these two too do and Ch7 is only playing to meta. Im not sure if that was clarified.
F2f seems much more nebulas and unclear motive wise with his reads, and psuhes. im not sure what i think of him yet.
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Post by bathsplishsploosh on Jan 20, 2021 22:02:37 GMT
at the time of my early reads, there was jack shit to go on. I dont like how I was defended so hard as that initially seemed sus to me as if Grendel was looking to be seen as likely town when I flipped town if my wagon grew further. on the flipside, the reasoning for the defend seemed logically sound.
Grendel - null -> Town Lean
for reason stated above.
really not trying to come off as lazy so my apologies if others feel the same way
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Post by grendel on Jan 20, 2021 22:44:29 GMT
Do your prevous town leans still stand?
GtH who is scum to you rn?
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Post by quojova on Jan 20, 2021 23:45:28 GMT
chapterseven why did you think that the pressure on bath was "pointless"
Because like I said before, Bath feels like they are actually trying to solve the game as of this current moment and are actually giving reads that help push the game in a meaningful way, compared to you ptsd and az. If rather apply pressure to a slot that I feel would give us more to work with. Notice how Bath at 2 votes didn't give anything But you at two votes did. You can say that you would have said what you would have said regardless of your posts but that's a lie because this question right here wouldn't exist if I didn't vote you this post seems so town |
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Post by quojova on Jan 20, 2021 23:58:53 GMT
First off, I wish there were more notices, I keep forgetting about this game with no reminder of it. Skimming over the past couple of days here are my thoughts at the moment Bath: The tone coming from bath is very lazy, if that makes any sense. He’s giving out all these reads but there seems to be no direction in them, he brings up points and never addresses them, even his early read list seems to come from 0 place of though. most of his iso is just giving out random excuses for a mistake he made super early on and none of the excuses are in any way valid, it almost reminds me of the way Cayden was playing as scum, where there more excuses than there were posts that needed excusing. Grendel: The next person I have my eyes on is Grendel, very early on they seem to be excusing a lot of what Bath is doing with “They are from chat mafia” and “I used to do that every game I was town” and that seems to be relying a lot more on (I guess player meta is the best term to describe it?) rather than addressing any real in game points. ”PassTheSalt soft defending me is gross btw. It being a joke post doesn't make it any less of a buddying attempt.” Going on this basis that this isn’t a joke, it seems like a lazy stretch of the imagination to what was obviously an early game shitpost. This also seems to be their entire basis for the scumread, is the ‘Buddying attempt’ which overall seems like a lazy reasoning to scumread someone based off of a throw away joke. (Ignore the slight difference in color from here btw)
LittEleven: LittEleven is probably my strongest townread just from skimming through the pages, this has to deal with how conscience their posts are and how they manage to get straight to the point without going off the topic or trying to change the topic.
“I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting“ - LittEleven
That quote to me perfectly sums up why I am town leaning LittEleven, it doesn’t beat off the bush and it’s a very clear response to someone defending Bath, nothing about the quote seems to be pushing a certain scum agenda either, it seems to be providing a clear and thoughtful explanation on what is happening.
Those were the 3 I had the most to say about and I colored their names to be more clear, everyone else I don’t have as much to say
Quojova= A lesser town lean than Litt but they very much have given that same vibe of actively scumhunting and trying to figure out the game
*Flush VS Chap is Scum V Town*= from what I’ve seen. Chap came at flush very early for filtering despite chap being one of the first to filler themselves, which seems very hypocritical even if chap was trying to include some weird player meta in it. The way Chap defends Bath feels forced as well, chap keeps saying that Bath is actively trying to scumhunt but they haven’t quoted any of it and aren’t speaking on it. On the other side of the coin, Flush posts seem to go nowhere, from reading his posts I haven’t sensed a strong direction and I don’t think I’ve seen any hard reads for him or many reads at all.
You might disagree with this evaluation of your post but it seems like you are giving a lot of credit for clarity of opinion and deducting for lack of direction. Would you expect town players to have a strong sense of direction at this point in the game? Might you expect scum players to have more direction than town players? In general I'm not sure what connects you from the level of clarity to an alignment read. In general I'm skeptical of "this is scum v town" reads because I think they tend to extract an idealistic view on a scenario which eliminates the t/t possibility too easily for the sake of being able say a slick-sounding read. How confident are you really that we aren't dealing with two towns here? Regardless this doesn't really change my read of you because I know this type of read is within your towngame. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 0:03:49 GMT
hihi, i didnt know that the game started anyway, better late than never quick stuff before i reply to posts one by one; 1. Why on earth did FtF wagon grow so big despite them barely saying anything before page 3? I'm ready to bet my money that there is at least one scum in the early FtF wagon. While I'm at it, Now with that out of the way, that leads directly into my next topic UL Litt Lynch FlushPersonally I think people are putting (as of this current moment in the game) pointless pressure on the Bath slot when the Flush slot is far more deserving of it This is the sort of push I'm talking about. Why is flush slot far more deserving of pressure? If we are just RVS'ing and putting pressure on slots and see how they break down, why is pressure on flush better than bath? 2. I'm seeing readlists early D1 and.. huh? There is so little content to go off with, how and why are you coming up with readlists instead of constantly applying pressure and perhaps strategizing since it's a No Setup? E.g., Reads based on the almost no info provided (in no order) - Litt - Town Lean - i can never read litt ever at all but I dont see scum lynching first here quojova - town read - town locked for starting the game off for reading energy I like that approach (possible bad read on chapter7 tho) chapter 7 - null - literally dropped a lynch and hasn't said shit else kek forgot to flush - Scum Lean - I don't like how you attempting to start a wagon without saying shit else. That's the first red flag i see so... PTSD - town lean - responded to litts obv semi meme reads with a semi meme statement and hasn't offered shite else so idk Nobody else has talked and is auto null so Lynch Forgot2FlushI seriously dislike this. There is so little content and in no time the reads will change (bc of things that might happen n1, people saying weird shit, etc). This list just screams either bad/weak town or definitely scum. Keeping vote on bath for now. VOTE bathsplishsplooshFar from done yet, going to address posts one-by-one or otherwise |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 0:11:10 GMT
why wouldn't you want too many nulls? the line feels super disingenuous to say because it's implying you faked a read intentionally. I can't think of town that does so, plus your net efforts today have just been to try to please town or deflect, like when you tried to bring up activity when it doesn't make sense to do so my vote on you is no longer rvs, but I'll keep an open mind Disagree, the mindset of not keeping people on null is alright because classifying people as town/scum allows you to understand their mindset and thus actually drives the game towards scumhunting I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting It really irks me that you are saying bath gives you scummy vibes and yet your vote isn't anywhere. I don't like blank statements, if you really believe that he's "checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist" then you might as well cast a vote and pressure him into talking more. I do like the content you are bringing however. |
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Post by quojova on Jan 21, 2021 0:14:42 GMT
why wouldn't you want too many nulls? the line feels super disingenuous to say because it's implying you faked a read intentionally. I can't think of town that does so, plus your net efforts today have just been to try to please town or deflect, like when you tried to bring up activity when it doesn't make sense to do so my vote on you is no longer rvs, but I'll keep an open mind Disagree, the mindset of not keeping people on null is alright because classifying people as town/scum allows you to understand their mindset and thus actually drives the game towards scumhunting I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting It really irks me that you are saying bath gives you scummy vibes and yet your vote isn't anywhere. I don't like blank statements, if you really believe that he's "checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist" then you might as well cast a vote and pressure him into talking more. I do like the content you are bringing however. ftr litt was on bath since the first post of the game |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 0:18:10 GMT
I have no option to reply directly that I see on mobile. /shrug I dont see how what I said about litt is scummy considering a quarter of the pl hasn't talked yet lmfao. Those are just two statements you jammed together. What is the logical link between the potential scumminess of what you said and the activity of the pl?
there wasn't much of a read bc there's not yet much to read ?.?for all we really know, neither scum has talked yet tbh okay but that doesn't change the fact that you chose to give a read with what information you had. I claim the basis of that read is nonsense. Do you still agree with your previous read? Did you give the read because you didn't want too many nulls in your list? Help me understand your thought process.also this is my first forum game so I wouldn't know how most other start fine, but 99% of on-site games also start in the same wayI really like this slot. Starts off the game with some good pressure on bath. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 0:18:39 GMT
Disagree, the mindset of not keeping people on null is alright because classifying people as town/scum allows you to understand their mindset and thus actually drives the game towards scumhunting It really irks me that you are saying bath gives you scummy vibes and yet your vote isn't anywhere. I don't like blank statements, if you really believe that he's "checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist" then you might as well cast a vote and pressure him into talking more. I do like the content you are bringing however. ftr litt was on bath since the first post of the game i have embarrassed myself and i will now proceed to pretend i never said that |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 0:38:44 GMT
smallworldz 's, I Request a Prod on zero-/-/-/-/- Is is looking to be a slower forum experience. im used to more post heavy games. Chapter 7 looks ok. Town leans: Litt, Quo, Null: Ch7, Bath, Zero, f2f Scum leans: PTSD I'm not the biggest fan of this slot. Pages 1 & 2, there was no real content. It was all just a 'I agree', 'I disagree' stuff; just playing on the sidelines. Good unique stance on bath, but that doesn't sell town points. Page 5 had few questions pushing on bath, but unless they changed their stance on bath, I don't know where it is going. Nevertheless, page 5 also comes off as them playing on the sidelines. Also; I disagree with this take on Litteleven. Scum usually aren't that motivated to solidify a flip. In due part that day ending in a no flip basically is in their benefit. So Litt's concern of EoD/trying to prospect wagons, strikes me as very town. I spent an ample amount of time reading through every post to actually understand what it is that you're trying to say, and even then I believe that I might have misunderstood you. C7's stance on LittEleven (or at least from the post you replied to) does not involve them 'solidifying a flip' but rather their desire to forcefully get a lynch on someone (aka 'lynch happy'). This is a scummy move, as it comes off as an attempt to get a lynch on someone that might otherwise pose a threat later on in the game (e.g. Litt's push on FtF, as FtF is a player that can and will push LittEleven if they act scummy). Not only that, Litt's concern of EoD is so goddamn neutral, if not leaning scum. This is going into subjective territory, but personally anything that does not help town directly in scumhunting (e.g. Litt's 'concerns') is absolutely neutral and should not be given town points. Overall, FoS on grendel. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 0:43:37 GMT
idt that mindset itself is scummy because forcing a read is better as a starting off point to develop an opinion from
like calling something null is a lateral move
we all start at null
reiterating that is redundant
so if bath is trying to make reads i dont view that act itself as scummy despite how much i agree or disagree with their reads
because disingenuous isn't necessarily connected to that at this stage in the game No, no, no, them forcefully showing reads to everyone is equivalent to them saying, 'henlo i have reads, give town points' and it shouldn't be a lesser known fact that people give a list of reads in order to look town. Giving reads is alright, but at times it is so weak and doesn't help town scumhunt - which is basically what bath did. (Also: TIL what disingenuous means) |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 0:55:26 GMT
i think the key to reading bath here isn't if he's forcing stuff or not or whatever but more like
can he believe what he's saying
like is his mind actually making those leaps to force a read or is he just saying shit
Ftr I don't think it's a wrong move to state your opinion on bath but; 1. I kinda don't want you to save the damsel in distress aka bath, and it's not because it's a wrong move but rather because I want bath to speak up for himself. Yet again, it's not wrong to show us what you think of bath and stimulate conversation on that slot, but personally I'm not going to change my vote if bath isn't able to speak up for himself AND that there is someone scummier. 2. This slot is irky where there they defend bath and are also not pushing anyone else. It's good to protect a town, but I want some real scumhunting and I'm not getting that. There is no point in just saying 'hey x is town'. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 1:02:40 GMT
First off, I wish there were more notices, I keep forgetting about this game with no reminder of it. Skimming over the past couple of days here are my thoughts at the moment Bath: The tone coming from bath is very lazy, if that makes any sense. He’s giving out all these reads but there seems to be no direction in them, he brings up points and never addresses them, even his early read list seems to come from 0 place of though. most of his iso is just giving out random excuses for a mistake he made super early on and none of the excuses are in any way valid, it almost reminds me of the way Cayden was playing as scum, where there more excuses than there were posts that needed excusing. Grendel: The next person I have my eyes on is Grendel, very early on they seem to be excusing a lot of what Bath is doing with “They are from chat mafia” and “I used to do that every game I was town” and that seems to be relying a lot more on (I guess player meta is the best term to describe it?) rather than addressing any real in game points. ”PassTheSalt soft defending me is gross btw. It being a joke post doesn't make it any less of a buddying attempt.” Going on this basis that this isn’t a joke, it seems like a lazy stretch of the imagination to what was obviously an early game shitpost. This also seems to be their entire basis for the scumread, is the ‘Buddying attempt’ which overall seems like a lazy reasoning to scumread someone based off of a throw away joke. (Ignore the slight difference in color from here btw)
LittEleven: LittEleven is probably my strongest townread just from skimming through the pages, this has to deal with how conscience their posts are and how they manage to get straight to the point without going off the topic or trying to change the topic.
“I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting“ - LittEleven
That quote to me perfectly sums up why I am town leaning LittEleven, it doesn’t beat off the bush and it’s a very clear response to someone defending Bath, nothing about the quote seems to be pushing a certain scum agenda either, it seems to be providing a clear and thoughtful explanation on what is happening.
Those were the 3 I had the most to say about and I colored their names to be more clear, everyone else I don’t have as much to say
Quojova= A lesser town lean than Litt but they very much have given that same vibe of actively scumhunting and trying to figure out the game
*Flush VS Chap is Scum V Town*= from what I’ve seen. Chap came at flush very early for filtering despite chap being one of the first to filler themselves, which seems very hypocritical even if chap was trying to include some weird player meta in it. The way Chap defends Bath feels forced as well, chap keeps saying that Bath is actively trying to scumhunt but they haven’t quoted any of it and aren’t speaking on it. On the other side of the coin, Flush posts seem to go nowhere, from reading his posts I haven’t sensed a strong direction and I don’t think I’ve seen any hard reads for him or many reads at all.
i will honestly policy vote you and beg the town to support me if i see you use this piss yellow color again.. how did you not look at your own post and think yeah maybe this color would be a bad idea to use that aside, almost zero real content in this post, doesn't do anything other than just stating opinions on an already ongoing push/wagon interesting take on chap v flush though, and +1 on opinion on chap; there is absolutely no way bath is even attempting scumhunting and chap's opinion on bath is just wrong sorry flush v chap though is just basically chap saying 'you are talking because of my vote' and flush saying 'nah fam' |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 1:03:46 GMT
at the time of my early reads, there was jack shit to go on. I dont like how I was defended so hard as that initially seemed sus to me as if Grendel was looking to be seen as likely town when I flipped town if my wagon grew further. on the flipside, the reasoning for the defend seemed logically sound. Grendel - null -> Town Lean for reason stated above. really not trying to come off as lazy so my apologies if others feel the same way then WHY did you make an early readlist?  ? |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jan 21, 2021 1:05:32 GMT
smallworldz can we get a votecount Also what's the plan @ night actions bc this is a NS?
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jan 21, 2021 1:37:59 GMT
First off, I wish there were more notices, I keep forgetting about this game with no reminder of it. Skimming over the past couple of days here are my thoughts at the moment Bath: The tone coming from bath is very lazy, if that makes any sense. He’s giving out all these reads but there seems to be no direction in them, he brings up points and never addresses them, even his early read list seems to come from 0 place of though. most of his iso is just giving out random excuses for a mistake he made super early on and none of the excuses are in any way valid, it almost reminds me of the way Cayden was playing as scum, where there more excuses than there were posts that needed excusing. Grendel: The next person I have my eyes on is Grendel, very early on they seem to be excusing a lot of what Bath is doing with “They are from chat mafia” and “I used to do that every game I was town” and that seems to be relying a lot more on (I guess player meta is the best term to describe it?) rather than addressing any real in game points. ”PassTheSalt soft defending me is gross btw. It being a joke post doesn't make it any less of a buddying attempt.” Going on this basis that this isn’t a joke, it seems like a lazy stretch of the imagination to what was obviously an early game shitpost. This also seems to be their entire basis for the scumread, is the ‘Buddying attempt’ which overall seems like a lazy reasoning to scumread someone based off of a throw away joke. (Ignore the slight difference in color from here btw)
LittEleven: LittEleven is probably my strongest townread just from skimming through the pages, this has to deal with how conscience their posts are and how they manage to get straight to the point without going off the topic or trying to change the topic.
“I don't think this has been stated but one of the reasons that irked me is that bath is defensive, but not since bath is defensive. The response is framed in a way that he's he's referring to quo as town and pointing out that 'scum could be in the people who haven't talked' which is logically sound, but it's giving me scum too-much-information vibes, and while you can chalk it up to playstyle being off it's checking too many boxes on my ScumReadChecklist in addition to defensiveness + deflecting“ - LittEleven
That quote to me perfectly sums up why I am town leaning LittEleven, it doesn’t beat off the bush and it’s a very clear response to someone defending Bath, nothing about the quote seems to be pushing a certain scum agenda either, it seems to be providing a clear and thoughtful explanation on what is happening.
Those were the 3 I had the most to say about and I colored their names to be more clear, everyone else I don’t have as much to say
Quojova= A lesser town lean than Litt but they very much have given that same vibe of actively scumhunting and trying to figure out the game
*Flush VS Chap is Scum V Town*= from what I’ve seen. Chap came at flush very early for filtering despite chap being one of the first to filler themselves, which seems very hypocritical even if chap was trying to include some weird player meta in it. The way Chap defends Bath feels forced as well, chap keeps saying that Bath is actively trying to scumhunt but they haven’t quoted any of it and aren’t speaking on it. On the other side of the coin, Flush posts seem to go nowhere, from reading his posts I haven’t sensed a strong direction and I don’t think I’ve seen any hard reads for him or many reads at all.
You might disagree with this evaluation of your post but it seems like you are giving a lot of credit for clarity of opinion and deducting for lack of direction. Would you expect town players to have a strong sense of direction at this point in the game? Might you expect scum players to have more direction than town players? In general I'm not sure what connects you from the level of clarity to an alignment read. In general I'm skeptical of "this is scum v town" reads because I think they tend to extract an idealistic view on a scenario which eliminates the t/t possibility too easily for the sake of being able say a slick-sounding read. How confident are you really that we aren't dealing with two towns here? Regardless this doesn't really change my read of you because I know this type of read is within your towngame. I’ll make it more clear how I feel precisely about those two slots. If flush gave any concrete reads I think I’d be so much more included to town read him here, his slot in my opinion is easily redeemable. Chap on the other hand genuinely feels like scum to me, looking back on his Bath interactions, I just honestly doubt Chap genuinely believes what he is saying. All of his reasons for bath being town are thin and weak points that don’t contribute to the game. His biggest reason is “If what Bath is doing is scummy, then what Flush and PTSD are doing, are scummy” and it felt extremely forced and the way how he handled that logic to townread bath and push Flush, looks insane to me. It’s like he came up with the conclusion before he came up with the reasons. A lot of things chap say are extremely contradictory (Like how if Bath is scummy then Flush is scummy- while preceding to TR bath and SR flush) |
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Post by grendel on Jan 21, 2021 5:36:03 GMT
Theres only 6 hours left if im reading the game start post right. I need to go back and check on the votes so far.
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Post by chapterseven on Jan 21, 2021 5:46:26 GMT
You might disagree with this evaluation of your post but it seems like you are giving a lot of credit for clarity of opinion and deducting for lack of direction. Would you expect town players to have a strong sense of direction at this point in the game? Might you expect scum players to have more direction than town players? In general I'm not sure what connects you from the level of clarity to an alignment read. In general I'm skeptical of "this is scum v town" reads because I think they tend to extract an idealistic view on a scenario which eliminates the t/t possibility too easily for the sake of being able say a slick-sounding read. How confident are you really that we aren't dealing with two towns here? Regardless this doesn't really change my read of you because I know this type of read is within your towngame. I’ll make it more clear how I feel precisely about those two slots. If flush gave any concrete reads I think I’d be so much more included to town read him here, his slot in my opinion is easily redeemable. Chap on the other hand genuinely feels like scum to me, looking back on his Bath interactions, I just honestly doubt Chap genuinely believes what he is saying. All of his reasons for bath being town are thin and weak points that don’t contribute to the game. His biggest reason is “If what Bath is doing is scummy, then what Flush and PTSD are doing, are scummy” and it felt extremely forced and the way how he handled that logic to townread bath and push Flush, looks insane to me. It’s like he came up with the conclusion before he came up with the reasons. A lot of things chap say are extremely contradictory (Like how if Bath is scummy then Flush is scummy- while preceding to TR bath and SR flush) Just got home too tired to really play rn so expect more tomorrow but I wanted to touch on this real quick because it's DISGUSTING how PTSD tried to do me, like I thought we were family
1) I literally do not see what is wrong with what I said. I think there are easy grounds to Sr flush but null KEYWORD NULL WE'LL GET INTO THAT LATER bath
2) Aww does it feel forced because it's true, I'm sorry PTSD next time I won't call you out. Fr tho if you'd stop taking stuff out of context you'd know I said that because bath Lynch / pressure was (and still is) stupid imo when you and flush are right there.
3) I'm scum for.....having scum reads? Imagine that also you know damn well that's not my only reasoning for lynching Flush and saying you were scummy I can bold and quote it for you if I need to.
4) never once this game have I said I tr'd bath. If you find a quote of me saying I Tr'd bath I will wholeheartedly agree to being today's Lynch without hesitation. I said bath should not be the Lynch today because there are better Candidates and the reasoning on bath is trash
Also real quick not quoting it bc too tired to quote but AZ
What do you mean the flush wagon grew fast? He's at 2 and one vote is from RVS? With that logic the Bath wagon grew faster explain what you mean a lil better |
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Post by grendel on Jan 21, 2021 6:05:39 GMT
this post is for @absolute zero down to policy flush if there's no popcorn content from the slot it is what it is appreciate an extra wagon, however, bath should help self resolve their slot because there's no content in other places I really dont think there is net scum value in accounting a willingness to utlity flip another player. However if it is like you say, F2F is good at reading Litt mid/late game. That's plausible scum motivation that I couldn't have accounted for at face value. How strongly do you feel its the case here? fair yeah generally agree with summary in that quo grendel seem town to me, the latter less so, and neither should be voted today unless a serious slip occurs i think i'll wait for bath to respond opinion seems decently split so not sure where to go yet, but I hope bath returns to the thread before like a random trucky shift also eod isn't very accessible in terms of simultaneous people online to discuss the final lynch, so need earlier consensus maybe it wasnt like hardcore preping but i def think that Litt was one of only ones who acknowledging we need to prepare for EoD. EoD is more valuable to town then scum, so i think town is more likely to make it a talking point. I guess Litt hasnt done much more then point it out since tho... Really im kinda embarrassed that i wasn't talking more about upcoming Flip since that's something i normally make a point to do. New envirment, and shorter day phase then normal for me i guess played into that? -/-/-/- I've never played a no set-up before. Im not sure how to strategize inthread w/ others. Like what sorta plans would give mafia enough information to counter at night, how can we subvert that, etc |
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Post by grendel on Jan 21, 2021 6:10:46 GMT
Its a 2~2 tie between Bath and F2F i believe?
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