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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 16, 2021 22:13:29 GMT
Aight cool in that case
I have two actions as well. Of course there's the one where I can cure of temporal distortion and send to the other time period (no idea what happened to that, though. I'd not find roleblocker a strange role for scum tho. Still, was this that important?)
The other one is basically making someone 1-shot bulletproof. I could only use this once, on exactly night 1. Back then, I made Scorrch 1-shot bulletproof (well, I assume it's bulletproof but it prevents death and I can't use the given words bc paraphrasing). HOWEVER, there have to be specific conditions met for this life-saving to work... and I am unaware of said conditions.
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Post by chaostrodon on Feb 16, 2021 22:14:46 GMT
maple believed they had reasonably strong mechanical evidence that pointed to derz d2 And yet she lynched the cw on d5. And the mechanical evidence wasnt that strong so I doubt she actually believed it |
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Post by quojova on Feb 16, 2021 22:27:09 GMT
maple believed they had reasonably strong mechanical evidence that pointed to derz d2 And yet she lynched the cw on d5. And the mechanical evidence wasnt that strong so I doubt she actually believed it It would be weirder to me if she didn't consider it be strong evidence after it was repeatedly demonstrated by the rest of the game that it didn't make any sense. But I think it's clear she thought it meant something at the time and I don't think maple in particular given her track record this game doing this maneuver for "distancing" is very likely. If maple is scum it seems to me like it is almost never with derz |
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Post by quojova on Feb 16, 2021 22:27:29 GMT
And yet she lynched the cw on d5. And the mechanical evidence wasnt that strong so I doubt she actually believed it It would be weirder to me if she didn't consider it be strong evidence after it was repeatedly demonstrated by the rest of the game that it didn't make any sense. But I think it's clear she thought it meant something at the time and I don't think maple in particular given her track record this game doing this maneuver for "distancing" is very likely. If maple is scum it seems to me like it is almost never with derz If she did* |
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Post by quojova on Feb 16, 2021 22:29:54 GMT
Something like maple/dubz + scorr or az
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Post by quojova on Feb 16, 2021 22:45:43 GMT
maple believed they had reasonably strong mechanical evidence that pointed to derz d2 Perhaps you could argue that it was a galaxy brain distancing move but similarly to bgb I don't think that's a good conclusion to reach from maple's lack of any kind of effort this game It might be valuable to sequence our kills such that we can further inspect derz v maple on the last day er I didn't mean to say here that bgb did not expend any effort this game Just that like maple my read on him as a player overall is one where I would not expect him to go for an unintuitive early play |
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Post by dubz on Feb 17, 2021 0:19:35 GMT
The reward in the future is roleblocker and in the past is rolestopper. Man , did you go through with lynching Litt yday thinking he rbd me? I am officially declaring myself illiterate |
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Post by dubz on Feb 17, 2021 0:20:28 GMT
I wouldn't have killed bgb, btw. That's not how I roll. I don't kill the people I have in my potential misyeet pile. It's good to know that my reads being trash transcends platforms though. Also this too feels slightly random, the self-defense was unnecessary and it just feels like a way of them enforcing their town-position in the day What town position? From the posts I saw I was/am in the POE. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 17, 2021 0:45:47 GMT
The reward in the future is roleblocker and in the past is rolestopper. Man , did you go through with lynching Litt yday thinking he rbd me? I am officially declaring myself illiterate was anyone actually aware of this other than chaos |
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Post by quojova on Feb 17, 2021 3:53:24 GMT
Perhaps positing the half-joke "active therefore scum" idea was not good for this game's activity
What are your best guesses for the scumteam?
and maybe something about why
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Post by quojova on Feb 17, 2021 3:54:44 GMT
Eye will effort this roumd but im also going to bed :< |
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Post by quojova on Feb 17, 2021 4:00:39 GMT
Why couldnt I have been the target on N4? Litt's rolestopper could have stopped the kill I highly doubt it but I suppose it's possible. If the scumteam contains az I az almost certain you wouldn't be the target of the nk, so it would have to be some cross-thread kill which I'm not banking on Actually this is not likely because scum would have thought az was getting rbed So the plan to implicate az via cross-thread kill would have not worked |
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Post by quojova on Feb 17, 2021 5:08:16 GMT
vote dubz
he seems to come out scum most often
I still don't think it's maple but I also don't think it's chaos which makes my poe dubz/derz/az/scorr
sometimes it's not derz I think but dubz/az/scorr does not seem plausible with scorr and az double-bussing on derz
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Post by spiderz on Feb 17, 2021 5:15:59 GMT
I think snaq is scum Vote Lucas
kinda a gutread, but the activity fade is throwing me so off, it's like they were commenting on whats going on for most of the game and their true analysis seemed pretty sub par, I wouldn't have an issue with it if there behavior kept up, but it isn't? This is super ?? they are letting Quo town-lead into oblivion, not that I have an issue with your reads Quo bar mine, I don't necessarily disagree with you reads but I also haven't really analyzed your posts, Snaq where has all the townie mindset gone? And wrt roles @flooood I think you are nitpicking, I just re read my role and I noticed that, I don't see how that's scum indicative, all this obsession over my role, I literally cannot control how it was written, if I were to lie about my role why in gods name would it be about knowing how many non-town members there were, even if I was scum, it's not substantial for me to claim that at N3 in the case there was 3rd party and I wasn't account for my partners??? Like i'm just confused on how you think that part of the claim comes from scum.
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Post by spiderz on Feb 17, 2021 5:17:29 GMT
quojova Scorch scum actually does make sense to me, but why Dubz? I'd like to hear reasoning if possible, I don't lean on him any partic way rn ftr.
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Post by spiderz on Feb 17, 2021 5:18:10 GMT
Its almost like I said theres 3 non town left I somehow dislike this post way more than I should.. It feels like this post has a "I told you guys! I'm definitely town!" That's a reach, and it's also a reach to say that's scum indicative. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 17, 2021 9:00:54 GMT
I think snaq is scum Vote Lucaskinda a gutread, but the activity fade is throwing me so off, it's like they were commenting on whats going on for most of the game and their true analysis seemed pretty sub par, I wouldn't have an issue with it if there behavior kept up, but it isn't? This is super ?? they are letting Quo town-lead into oblivion, not that I have an issue with your reads Quo bar mine, I don't necessarily disagree with you reads but I also haven't really analyzed your posts, Snaq where has all the townie mindset gone? And wrt roles @flooood I think you are nitpicking, I just re read my role and I noticed that, I don't see how that's scum indicative, all this obsession over my role, I literally cannot control how it was written, if I were to lie about my role why in gods name would it be about knowing how many non-town members there were, even if I was scum, it's not substantial for me to claim that at N3 in the case there was 3rd party and I wasn't account for my partners??? Like i'm just confused on how you think that part of the claim comes from scum. The way your role was written did not change in the time it took for you to claim you recieved info D3 and re-claim it as needing to meet secret conditions. 3rd party already flipped and from their flip it was relatively obvious that there were 3 mafia. You never clarified what you meant when you said you were afraid to die. Why would either of these claims directly result in your death? Also regarding that post, how is OM's "spew" relevant when from his flip we know that he was townhunting without concrete knowledge of scum? Also, target list? Why did you trap litteleven when the established plan was to have him swap into the other thread? |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 17, 2021 9:09:17 GMT
Aight cool in that case I have two actions as well. Of course there's the one where I can cure of temporal distortion and send to the other time period (no idea what happened to that, though. I'd not find roleblocker a strange role for scum tho. Still, was this that important?) The other one is basically making someone 1-shot bulletproof. I could only use this once, on exactly night 1. Back then, I made Scorrch 1-shot bulletproof (well, I assume it's bulletproof but it prevents death and I can't use the given words bc paraphrasing). HOWEVER, there have to be specific conditions met for this life-saving to work... and I am unaware of said conditions. Do you think temporal distortion is a scum role? What about rifts? |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 17, 2021 10:49:30 GMT
Aight cool in that case I have two actions as well. Of course there's the one where I can cure of temporal distortion and send to the other time period (no idea what happened to that, though. I'd not find roleblocker a strange role for scum tho. Still, was this that important?) The other one is basically making someone 1-shot bulletproof. I could only use this once, on exactly night 1. Back then, I made Scorrch 1-shot bulletproof (well, I assume it's bulletproof but it prevents death and I can't use the given words bc paraphrasing). HOWEVER, there have to be specific conditions met for this life-saving to work... and I am unaware of said conditions. Do you think temporal distortion is a scum role? What about rifts? I honestly have no clue, but now you mention it it could be very possible for temporal distortion. Maybe they can pick a target and if that person travels through time or something, they get temporal distortion and then it favors them somehow? ... What is a rift again? fwiw I understand the lynch on me, I'd be getting suspicious now as well. However, I think it's interesting that it's Spiderz out of everyone, who has admitted to not being motivated for the game himself, has shown a pretty similar pattern (seemed enthusiastic first days, that kinda ended day 3ish). So I'm confused why his own experience wasn't let into this read. As for where the town mindset has gone, it's gotten a chore to even try to analyse stuff. After the Litt lynch happened I thought I may've had some renewed enthusiasm in the game, because finally the game has actually progressed imo (after a bunch of ehhhh lynched that didn't do much). That said, if you think I am letting Quo townlead into oblivion, are you assuming me!Scum knowing Quo!Town has the wrong reads right now? That'd make my partners like Chaos and IDK. Side note, at least the lynch on me has gotten me to actually want to respond to something & explain myself. I should probably go ahead and try to analyse last day's stuff as the Litt v Spiderz was p interesting. Sorry to let y'all down right now though - regardless of who is what I have enjoyed playing with you guys and I find you all respectable players (but game progression has been bleh) |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 17, 2021 10:53:14 GMT
Oh and maybe a bit WIFOMy question to Spiderz, but why would you think the activity fade would be useful for me as scum? I honestly feel like I was at a point in the game, where if I was scum I could just scumlead town into oblivion myself with the general reads consensus at that point + how it seems like game could end even today.
Side note, I have considered a lot that Quo is doing just that right now. It seems plausible, but I don't have any concrete reason to believe Quo is scum honestly, so I don't think it's a good idea to lynch someone just for the sake of overthinking it. If Quo is scum, I would say well-played
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 17, 2021 11:09:03 GMT
vote dubzhe seems to come out scum most often I still don't think it's maple but I also don't think it's chaos which makes my poe dubz/derz/az/scorr sometimes it's not derz I think but dubz/az/scorr does not seem plausible with scorr and az double-bussing on derz Do you mean double-bussing on Dubz? if Derz isn't scum it doesn't really matter with the AZ + Scorr "bussing" derz, unless you find that they wouldn't find a target together dubz + spiderz scumteam doesn't seem unlikely to me. They've seemed to avoid interacting too directly. Dubz kept spiderz as scum but never really pushing each other ( dubz on spiderz), with dubz voting Litt > Spiderz of course. Spiderz did kinda defend dubz earlier in this thread, and has always seemed to have a generally positive opinion on dubz, so that is consistent (but I'm not particularly sure for what reason). I don't know how to feel about Spiderz push dying down. Town has been wrong a whole lot this game, but two now conf townies were on Spiderz yesterday (out of 3 in total) + Quo lynched Spiderz at some point last day, too. I'm worrying about scum now having a large minority of the game and as such being much more capable of shaping the discussion (though that would imply AZ or chaos being scum for not being able to do that yesterday) For Quo, if I had to take a guess at full scumteam right now I'd probably guess Dubz+Derz+AZ? Though I don't really know much about Scorrch right now, but this is the only scumteam that'd fit with manipulating the vote theory together with Dubz/Derz (though this has a few assumptions - i just currently have no idea what i expect of a scumteam including Scorrch and Maple is largely based on a minor things due to the smaller contributions) |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 17, 2021 11:22:05 GMT
NVM at the Spiderz' push dissipating thing. Just read back a bit in this new thread and that was not a good assumption I made from the quo vote on dubz... Well, a lot of that is more s_s now. Still, I think I'm gonna try to focus more on what is happening *now* than reading back too much, just for my sanity AlmostZero, you said you don't see scumpartners for Spiderz? What do you think of Spiderz + dubz (as I described above)? Do you feel like a scumpartner of Spiderz wouldn't bus onto him? I would find it likely for scum to do so yesterday - as bgb and litt are conf-town. That only leaves Scorrch, who was second on Spiderz and thus would've been risky as quite some people still had to vote and a lot of time for flipping (which would've been different if he was the third). I don't think it's impossible Scum!Scorrch + Scum!Spiderz would have this happen, but still quite unlikely as the Litt lynch was quite safe. With the safety of the Litt lynch - I remember I found it odd yesterday that for a long time nothing really happened with it. I'm not sure how to analyse this wagon, but would scum be afraid of hopping onto it for putting a bad spotlight onto themselves? What does this say about dubz (who hopped on second) vs. Maple (who hopped on last)? I honestly don't know but I do feel like it is important as scum almost certainly interacted with the Litt wagon in some way (unless scum is all out of Chaos / Spiderz / Scorrch / AZ). |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 17, 2021 13:12:25 GMT
I think snaq is scum Vote Lucaskinda a gutread, but the activity fade is throwing me so off, it's like they were commenting on whats going on for most of the game and their true analysis seemed pretty sub par, I wouldn't have an issue with it if there behavior kept up, but it isn't? This is super ?? they are letting Quo town-lead into oblivion, not that I have an issue with your reads Quo bar mine, I don't necessarily disagree with you reads but I also haven't really analyzed your posts, Snaq where has all the townie mindset gone? And wrt roles @flooood I think you are nitpicking, I just re read my role and I noticed that, I don't see how that's scum indicative, all this obsession over my role, I literally cannot control how it was written, if I were to lie about my role why in gods name would it be about knowing how many non-town members there were, even if I was scum, it's not substantial for me to claim that at N3 in the case there was 3rd party and I wasn't account for my partners??? Like i'm just confused on how you think that part of the claim comes from scum. This is the sort of plays that really come off as scummy to me Consider this WIFOM but oftentimes when scum doesn't have a proper CW they attempt to SR a global TR to appear as if they are trying to gamesolve and explore the possibility of the top TR being scum. It's a final gambit from scum and oftentimes works. People who generally try to pressure and vote a third wagon / a person who hasn't received pressure yet are generally townread, because scum usually have no need to do so and doing so only allows town to make a better verdict on a certain player. However, the issues here are; a] Spiderz is the most likely wagon here, and he's desperate to create a counterwagon, b] Lucas is a slot that has in-general had WAY more contributions to town in comparison to some others (however since we have yet to see a single scum!lynch, this is hard to give credit for) c] Spiderz's reason for the SR on Lucas, a lynch in PMylo no less, is that Lucas has been comparitively less active. I shouldn't have to explain why this is wrong on multiple levels, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Activity is highly NAI, there are too many non-game factors that contribute to this. Thus this push comes off as Spiderz attempting to look town by putting up the pretense of scumhunting and somehow deriving that Lucas is scum. I think Lucas already went over this slightly, altho i was expecting more of a reaction. i mean, i seriously don't get this spiderz on lucas lynch. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 17, 2021 13:17:04 GMT
I somehow dislike this post way more than I should.. It feels like this post has a "I told you guys! I'm definitely town!" That's a reach, and it's also a reach to say that's scum indicative. Why's that? The first post of the day, in lieu of any mechanical explanation or answers or reads, it is a "hey guys! three scum, as i said!". I can still see a forceful "im town"-ish message coming from that post. How exactly is it a reach? |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 17, 2021 13:21:42 GMT
Side note, I have considered a lot that Quo is doing just that right now. It seems plausible, but I don't have any concrete reason to believe Quo is scum honestly, so I don't think it's a good idea to lynch someone just for the sake of overthinking it. If Quo is scum, I would say well-played The issue with scum!quo is that they have scumread and wanted to lynch everyone in the game at one point bar you and maple. I highly doubt that this is a quo/maple/lucas (if it is, i need an award post game) While we are at it actually, I still don't get the maple top townread? Admittedly I hadn't been following the past thread as much as I'd like to so there's a chance that I missed something. Is it a mechanical read? |
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