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Post by crystal on Jun 14, 2021 21:06:33 GMT
So basically I don't see why they would vote like that one player if they were mafia, I mean it's not the best strategy and it might seems tunneling after 3 days but the fact that I also feel sus about edj put them outside of the mafia party for me. The problem is that they didn't post a lot, except to vote for edj, so it's very hard to get clear conclusions at the end of the day as for ur other post i can't comment much on a gutread but think it would have made more sense if you said that earlier as for this what do you think about bath's push on erry? First of all thanks for your posts, your one of the only one to try to make things move and I like how you present them, even if I can disagree with some parts So yeah I'm pretty new to the uses and habits of forum games, so my list maybe wasn't very clear ; it was not something that should make a benchmark of who is mafia or who is not, it was more of a sus list against some people who felt strange to me The whole thing around bath has gone a little too far i think, for me their reaction was not something you can expect from a real town player, but ofc maybe it's just their normal way of playing idk anything about anyone in the game before it started, as you guys seems to have some history. As for erry I understand from where all the accusations come from, but I kinda agree with their logic and their reads more than other players ; and the vote from bath to erry just add at my idea to vote for him, it's probably a "revenge" because it was the other way around yesterday, and their point of erry not talking yesterday is just wrong ; if bath is really mafia the explanation is even faster And finally I have a question for you, just your opinion on the bath/litt/edj trio since you didn't mentioned it at all in your pairing introduction Sorry for my late answer, I faced some struggle to write fast and still be understable as English is not my first language |
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Post by ❗ on Jun 14, 2021 22:15:31 GMT
as for ur other post i can't comment much on a gutread but think it would have made more sense if you said that earlier as for this what do you think about bath's push on erry? First of all thanks for your posts, your one of the only one to try to make things move and I like how you present them, even if I can disagree with some parts So yeah I'm pretty new to the uses and habits of forum games, so my list maybe wasn't very clear ; it was not something that should make a benchmark of who is mafia or who is not, it was more of a sus list against some people who felt strange to me The whole thing around bath has gone a little too far i think, for me their reaction was not something you can expect from a real town player, but ofc maybe it's just their normal way of playing idk anything about anyone in the game before it started, as you guys seems to have some history. As for erry I understand from where all the accusations come from, but I kinda agree with their logic and their reads more than other players ; and the vote from bath to erry just add at my idea to vote for him, it's probably a "revenge" because it was the other way around yesterday, and their point of erry not talking yesterday is just wrong ; if bath is really mafia the explanation is even faster And finally I have a question for you, just your opinion on the bath/litt/edj trio since you didn't mentioned it at all in your pairing introduction Sorry for my late answer, I faced some struggle to write fast and still be understable as English is not my first language okok i appreciate the clarification so it was more of a general outline of a gutread / lean list instead of any solid reads i was talking more about the fact that bath is sticking on erry, but i understand the thought process you have here, similar to the way i feel bomb might be doing on erry as for bath / litt / edj the pairing post was mostly from what i read and was thinking of in general, but for the 3 of them i first wanna say edj has struck me as slightly defensive in some of his posts, moreso than others (excluding bath's eod), but his tone has been similar to erry's except more genuine. the thing litt pointed about news and edj seems valid and on top of that edj could have stayed defending bath but changed his read as he viewed the progression not to be townie. in the case edj was scum and bath was town, it feels like he could have just stuck with bath for pocket cred given that he was already gaining traction. ^ it turns out edj didn't defend bath as hard as i thought, i also thought he had used a pmeta on read before so actually if other people could give thoughts on this it would be nice. i feel as if edj was scum he would be preparing a fake counterwagon on bubida while bath got eliminated to help with the whole wagon towncred w/e w/e. in any case, it seems that edj was giving the impression that he was willing to let bath die, and I think if he was scum with bath he would have pushed harder on bubida given that he was pretty scummy. given scum bath and edj town, it's probably edj just being okay with a bath vote which also makes sense as he was iffy and pressuring bath for a response. again this is something i can't really say for sure so i'd rather have other people's thoughts, altho i'm pretty sure they're both not scum. looking back on the end of day shifting, litt got off mostly because of bath quoting a dead player? the thing is here that litt / bath probably aren't scum together because there's no reason for litt scum to shift off bath scum when bath is a near universal sr, only draws more attention to litt if someone decided to shift onto bath. litt is a good player and bussing would be optimal for him as he could get rid of a uni sr, become a uni tr, and stay relatively safe given that the doc would protect him. still unsure but if there is a scum between them im still inclined to think bath the last possibility is that all 3 of them are scum and the whole eod shift was coordinated as were their interactions which would be incredible but i seriously doubt it, other players are looking scummy too. bath probably isn't scum with edj / litt, as for edj and litt, i can actually potentially see the chance of a scumteam of litt and edj with bath as their tool for messing up town. i think what litt said about news / edj not being a pair is valid but his reasoning on edj alone being town is that edj scum only "minorly benefits" which can be sorta lost in wifom. while most of litt's reasoning in general is pretty much solid, i feel like in the chance that they're both scum this single piece of reasoning is a bit lackluster in order to keep a tr on his buddy thinking about this is a bit difficult but bomb moss was also valid on this with bath's attention being scum manipulated, and if so, one of them is probably litt and edj. however i still want to say the litt / AM thing was townie within itself, and AM being scum probably soft clears litt, which might boil it back down to edj / bath. AM has also stayed relatively distant to bath I feel like which could make them possible candidates either way, im making more reads with more questions so thanks. i might be pushing crystal too hard for a new player especially since it's p much guaranteed there's at least an experienced scum player on the team. i think best course of action is unvote crystal vote animal midwife ill be back eod hopefully i really gotta do some work but yeah lmk thoughts i feel like this vote can be crucial for solving |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 15, 2021 0:00:24 GMT
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 15, 2021 0:21:47 GMT
I am yet to see a good reason why it shouldn't be bath here. Feel free to change my mind. Just null on erry, honestly havent gotten any good reads on them all game. Bath flip gives me solid ideas on litt and bmoss, not to mention that hes most likely scum of ppl on here
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jun 15, 2021 1:50:57 GMT
I don't really want to elaborate on behavioral tells because they often go both ways, but like. Re-read that EoD and try to think about it in more meaningful ways other than "defense = scum" like y'all seem to be throwing out. Quax even had a whole post sitting on the fence about it, but at least he put thought into it. Does bath sound more desperate or frustrated? What do you think scum feels in that situation? Something about Quax's post is where he says "the frustration might stem from scum thinking they're playing well", but does the same not apply for a townie? You say it feels worse when it's scum because of the "right for the wrong reasons" effect, but I can also say that it feels worse as a townie, because you know they're wrong and you're seeing fellow townies throw the game by having bad reads. Do you have the grasp on bath's playermeta to say which kind is he? The tipping point for me is that the push on bath is so half-assed that I'm convinced that there's scum intent behind it, because it seems hellla more focused on "bath must die" instead of "bath is scum". I'm sure the significance of this difference is obvious to anyone genuinely reading posts. I'm mobile rn so idk how to bold but bomb's last paragraph brings up a very good point here. While I DID say I was willing to let bath flip today I also did mention that he has plenty of pressure on him which is why my vote wasn't needed at the time. Now that more time has passed it seems more that people are saying more "I want bath dead" rather than "bath should die because he's scum." Survivalism isnt always a scumtell in these games and I can't really blame him for it (especially since I wanted to see bubida flip as well.) Looking through baths iso once again I can't really see him being scum here, or at least I don't exactly see who his partners would be, though it's a bit tough since most of the game didn't have much going on. I am glad that I was able to read through quite a few pages today tho |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jun 15, 2021 2:04:32 GMT
as for ur other post i can't comment much on a gutread but think it would have made more sense if you said that earlier as for this what do you think about bath's push on erry? First of all thanks for your posts, your one of the only one to try to make things move and I like how you present them, even if I can disagree with some parts So yeah I'm pretty new to the uses and habits of forum games, so my list maybe wasn't very clear ; it was not something that should make a benchmark of who is mafia or who is not, it was more of a sus list against some people who felt strange to me The whole thing around bath has gone a little too far i think, for me their reaction was not something you can expect from a real town player, but ofc maybe it's just their normal way of playing idk anything about anyone in the game before it started, as you guys seems to have some history. As for erry I understand from where all the accusations come from, but I kinda agree with their logic and their reads more than other players ; and the vote from bath to erry just add at my idea to vote for him, it's probably a "revenge" because it was the other way around yesterday, and their point of erry not talking yesterday is just wrong ; if bath is really mafia the explanation is even faster And finally I have a question for you, just your opinion on the bath/litt/edj trio since you didn't mentioned it at all in your pairing introduction Sorry for my late answer, I faced some struggle to write fast and still be understable as English is not my first language Honestly if I was scum with bath I would try to make it that obvious, especially day 1 lmao. I understand that you may think it's a possibility but it still kinda seems like stretching considering d1 bath wasn't even being voted, I was just making a note of the playstyle I'm used to coming from him. NOW though, I am actually defending him because there's just something that seems fishy about the opportunity given to push him today, and since I've been thinking of it throughout the day I've come to the conclusion that there has to be scum in the people pushing him. There was just such a huge wagon that formed at the beginning of the day and I don't think he should still have plur now vote crystal if this bold doesn't work I'll fix it when I get home because I just copy pasted from someone else's message Btw if didn't say English wasn't your first language I never would've known, you're typing extremely well! |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:04:51 GMT
woke up, hi
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 15, 2021 3:07:47 GMT
First of all thanks for your posts, your one of the only one to try to make things move and I like how you present them, even if I can disagree with some parts So yeah I'm pretty new to the uses and habits of forum games, so my list maybe wasn't very clear ; it was not something that should make a benchmark of who is mafia or who is not, it was more of a sus list against some people who felt strange to me The whole thing around bath has gone a little too far i think, for me their reaction was not something you can expect from a real town player, but ofc maybe it's just their normal way of playing idk anything about anyone in the game before it started, as you guys seems to have some history. As for erry I understand from where all the accusations come from, but I kinda agree with their logic and their reads more than other players ; and the vote from bath to erry just add at my idea to vote for him, it's probably a "revenge" because it was the other way around yesterday, and their point of erry not talking yesterday is just wrong ; if bath is really mafia the explanation is even faster And finally I have a question for you, just your opinion on the bath/litt/edj trio since you didn't mentioned it at all in your pairing introduction Sorry for my late answer, I faced some struggle to write fast and still be understable as English is not my first language okok i appreciate the clarification so it was more of a general outline of a gutread / lean list instead of any solid reads i was talking more about the fact that bath is sticking on erry, but i understand the thought process you have here, similar to the way i feel bomb might be doing on erry as for bath / litt / edj the pairing post was mostly from what i read and was thinking of in general, but for the 3 of them i first wanna say edj has struck me as slightly defensive in some of his posts, moreso than others (excluding bath's eod), but his tone has been similar to erry's except more genuine. the thing litt pointed about news and edj seems valid and on top of that edj could have stayed defending bath but changed his read as he viewed the progression not to be townie. in the case edj was scum and bath was town, it feels like he could have just stuck with bath for pocket cred given that he was already gaining traction. ^ it turns out edj didn't defend bath as hard as i thought, i also thought he had used a pmeta on read before so actually if other people could give thoughts on this it would be nice. i feel as if edj was scum he would be preparing a fake counterwagon on bubida while bath got eliminated to help with the whole wagon towncred w/e w/e. in any case, it seems that edj was giving the impression that he was willing to let bath die, and I think if he was scum with bath he would have pushed harder on bubida given that he was pretty scummy. given scum bath and edj town, it's probably edj just being okay with a bath vote which also makes sense as he was iffy and pressuring bath for a response. again this is something i can't really say for sure so i'd rather have other people's thoughts, altho i'm pretty sure they're both not scum. looking back on the end of day shifting, litt got off mostly because of bath quoting a dead player? the thing is here that litt / bath probably aren't scum together because there's no reason for litt scum to shift off bath scum when bath is a near universal sr, only draws more attention to litt if someone decided to shift onto bath. litt is a good player and bussing would be optimal for him as he could get rid of a uni sr, become a uni tr, and stay relatively safe given that the doc would protect him. still unsure but if there is a scum between them im still inclined to think bath the last possibility is that all 3 of them are scum and the whole eod shift was coordinated as were their interactions which would be incredible but i seriously doubt it, other players are looking scummy too. bath probably isn't scum with edj / litt, as for edj and litt, i can actually potentially see the chance of a scumteam of litt and edj with bath as their tool for messing up town. i think what litt said about news / edj not being a pair is valid but his reasoning on edj alone being town is that edj scum only "minorly benefits" which can be sorta lost in wifom. while most of litt's reasoning in general is pretty much solid, i feel like in the chance that they're both scum this single piece of reasoning is a bit lackluster in order to keep a tr on his buddy thinking about this is a bit difficult but bomb moss was also valid on this with bath's attention being scum manipulated, and if so, one of them is probably litt and edj. however i still want to say the litt / AM thing was townie within itself, and AM being scum probably soft clears litt, which might boil it back down to edj / bath. AM has also stayed relatively distant to bath I feel like which could make them possible candidates either way, im making more reads with more questions so thanks. i might be pushing crystal too hard for a new player especially since it's p much guaranteed there's at least an experienced scum player on the team. i think best course of action is unvote crystal vote animal midwife ill be back eod hopefully i really gotta do some work but yeah lmk thoughts i feel like this vote can be crucial for solving Can't figure out the multiquote, but this in combination with previously say me/litt are v/v seems extremely wolfy-motivated. If bath or edj flips wolf, I want serious pressure here. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 15, 2021 3:09:10 GMT
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:18:19 GMT
looks like we're going to elo huh
I don't see enough votes to reverse a bath vote with optimal counterplay
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Post by ❗ on Jun 15, 2021 3:23:30 GMT
what do you mean by v/v? village v village / town v town?
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:35:15 GMT
vote animal midwife
would feel comfortable if shift happened and ended on this but not relying on it
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:36:09 GMT
parting reads are all up to show hf
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 15, 2021 3:39:53 GMT
what do you mean by v/v? village v village / town v town? Yes. |
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 15, 2021 3:41:29 GMT
Unvote edj
Vote Bath
To prevent any funny business.
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Post by ❗ on Jun 15, 2021 3:41:37 GMT
uh i don't recall ever saying that
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 15, 2021 3:42:35 GMT
uh i don't recall ever saying that Your post on the prior page literally said that. |
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Post by erry on Jun 15, 2021 3:42:49 GMT
First of all thanks for your posts, your one of the only one to try to make things move and I like how you present them, even if I can disagree with some parts So yeah I'm pretty new to the uses and habits of forum games, so my list maybe wasn't very clear ; it was not something that should make a benchmark of who is mafia or who is not, it was more of a sus list against some people who felt strange to me The whole thing around bath has gone a little too far i think, for me their reaction was not something you can expect from a real town player, but ofc maybe it's just their normal way of playing idk anything about anyone in the game before it started, as you guys seems to have some history. As for erry I understand from where all the accusations come from, but I kinda agree with their logic and their reads more than other players ; and the vote from bath to erry just add at my idea to vote for him, it's probably a "revenge" because it was the other way around yesterday, and their point of erry not talking yesterday is just wrong ; if bath is really mafia the explanation is even faster And finally I have a question for you, just your opinion on the bath/litt/edj trio since you didn't mentioned it at all in your pairing introduction Sorry for my late answer, I faced some struggle to write fast and still be understable as English is not my first language okok i appreciate the clarification so it was more of a general outline of a gutread / lean list instead of any solid reads i was talking more about the fact that bath is sticking on erry, but i understand the thought process you have here, similar to the way i feel bomb might be doing on erry as for bath / litt / edj the pairing post was mostly from what i read and was thinking of in general, but for the 3 of them i first wanna say edj has struck me as slightly defensive in some of his posts, moreso than others (excluding bath's eod), but his tone has been similar to erry's except more genuine. the thing litt pointed about news and edj seems valid and on top of that edj could have stayed defending bath but changed his read as he viewed the progression not to be townie. in the case edj was scum and bath was town, it feels like he could have just stuck with bath for pocket cred given that he was already gaining traction. ^ it turns out edj didn't defend bath as hard as i thought, i also thought he had used a pmeta on read before so actually if other people could give thoughts on this it would be nice. i feel as if edj was scum he would be preparing a fake counterwagon on bubida while bath got eliminated to help with the whole wagon towncred w/e w/e. in any case, it seems that edj was giving the impression that he was willing to let bath die, and I think if he was scum with bath he would have pushed harder on bubida given that he was pretty scummy. given scum bath and edj town, it's probably edj just being okay with a bath vote which also makes sense as he was iffy and pressuring bath for a response. again this is something i can't really say for sure so i'd rather have other people's thoughts, altho i'm pretty sure they're both not scum. looking back on the end of day shifting, litt got off mostly because of bath quoting a dead player? the thing is here that litt / bath probably aren't scum together because there's no reason for litt scum to shift off bath scum when bath is a near universal sr, only draws more attention to litt if someone decided to shift onto bath. litt is a good player and bussing would be optimal for him as he could get rid of a uni sr, become a uni tr, and stay relatively safe given that the doc would protect him. still unsure but if there is a scum between them im still inclined to think bath the last possibility is that all 3 of them are scum and the whole eod shift was coordinated as were their interactions which would be incredible but i seriously doubt it, other players are looking scummy too. bath probably isn't scum with edj / litt, as for edj and litt, i can actually potentially see the chance of a scumteam of litt and edj with bath as their tool for messing up town. i think what litt said about news / edj not being a pair is valid but his reasoning on edj alone being town is that edj scum only "minorly benefits" which can be sorta lost in wifom. while most of litt's reasoning in general is pretty much solid, i feel like in the chance that they're both scum this single piece of reasoning is a bit lackluster in order to keep a tr on his buddy thinking about this is a bit difficult but bomb moss was also valid on this with bath's attention being scum manipulated, and if so, one of them is probably litt and edj. however i still want to say the litt / AM thing was townie within itself, and AM being scum probably soft clears litt, which might boil it back down to edj / bath. AM has also stayed relatively distant to bath I feel like which could make them possible candidates either way, im making more reads with more questions so thanks. i might be pushing crystal too hard for a new player especially since it's p much guaranteed there's at least an experienced scum player on the team. i think best course of action is unvote crystal vote animal midwife ill be back eod hopefully i really gotta do some work but yeah lmk thoughts i feel like this vote can be crucial for solving I don't really get the vote on AM here. Your previous posts have made it pretty clear that you think there is scum between either Crystal or I, if you feel like you're putting a bit too much pressure on Crystal as a new player then I could understand shifting off of them, but I'm confused why you shifted to AM mostly. It feels far too late in the day to gain anything out of shifting onto AM since its unlikely that votes will flip them tonight with how they're currently stacked. You also said you felt like Bath is unlikely to be scum, so I get why you wouldn't go on them as well as why you might want to shift the vote off of them, but if you were going to shift then why not shift onto me? You've already said several times that you think there's scum between Crystal or I, so then why wouldn't you shift to me? Unlike shifting to AM it would very much so be possible to shift a lynch onto me tonight which would both increase the chance of sparing Bath, someone you think might be town, and lynch someone who you think could be scum, being me if you shifted onto me or Crystal as well if you chose not to shift at all. The main thing I see happening by shifting onto AM here is it causing more chaos tbh. You've now set it up so that going into d4 there would continue to be sus on me and Crystal, as well as more sus on AM now too. This gives maf so many splits and wagons they could throw on tomorrow without looking sl for throwing on them themselves. I honestly feel like Bath is probably town here and that zorquax is scum with Crystal as a potential partner now, which would also fit my read earlier of thinking Crystal was sl. I'm gonna be shifting onto Crystal here because of this and lynching Crystal here could give us a lot more information I feel like based on how they've been tied into a lot reads, especially ones with zorquax now, while I don't see us gaining much from lynching Bath here tbh. Unvote Bath
Vote Crystal |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:44:03 GMT
o wow
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:44:45 GMT
vote crystal
ty for that
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 15, 2021 3:44:59 GMT
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Post by ❗ on Jun 15, 2021 3:45:52 GMT
ffd, don't think am's edje tunnel is not consistent with how they usually play binged through the forum game time heist where this was literally the same perceived situation, where they kept pushing azero everyday but it was actually spirited while you can boil some part of it down to like general thread inactivity, you'd think they'd be some degree of annoyance which is like completely absent in their posts, rather, they're just skating which says to me it's likely they're non town I don't really feel invested in this game to be honest. Majority lowposting does that to me. litt searching and animal admitting to their town pmeta and that it's different this game actually a p big towntell if ur talking about this i'm saying that ur admitting ur playing differently from your town pmeta which is implicating that litt's hunting method was actually legit therefore townlean on him, not u |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:46:52 GMT
at eod1 putting down edje as town means the only other unresolved player on a major wagon was crystal, and I don't think scum has 0 influence on the game btw
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:48:12 GMT
i expected fully static wagons towards eod, the sudden shift caught me off guard
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 15, 2021 3:48:15 GMT
litt searching and animal admitting to their town pmeta and that it's different this game actually a p big towntell if ur talking about this i'm saying that ur admitting ur playing differently from your town pmeta which is implicating that litt's hunting method was actually legit therefore townlean on him, not u Literally nowhere did I say it was outside my town meta. I said consistent lowposting is demotivating and doesn't make me want to put a ton of energy into solving. Which you have seen me do as village before. Why are you stretching things? |
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