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Post by crystal on Jun 15, 2021 3:52:35 GMT
okok i appreciate the clarification so it was more of a general outline of a gutread / lean list instead of any solid reads i was talking more about the fact that bath is sticking on erry, but i understand the thought process you have here, similar to the way i feel bomb might be doing on erry as for bath / litt / edj the pairing post was mostly from what i read and was thinking of in general, but for the 3 of them i first wanna say edj has struck me as slightly defensive in some of his posts, moreso than others (excluding bath's eod), but his tone has been similar to erry's except more genuine. the thing litt pointed about news and edj seems valid and on top of that edj could have stayed defending bath but changed his read as he viewed the progression not to be townie. in the case edj was scum and bath was town, it feels like he could have just stuck with bath for pocket cred given that he was already gaining traction. ^ it turns out edj didn't defend bath as hard as i thought, i also thought he had used a pmeta on read before so actually if other people could give thoughts on this it would be nice. i feel as if edj was scum he would be preparing a fake counterwagon on bubida while bath got eliminated to help with the whole wagon towncred w/e w/e. in any case, it seems that edj was giving the impression that he was willing to let bath die, and I think if he was scum with bath he would have pushed harder on bubida given that he was pretty scummy. given scum bath and edj town, it's probably edj just being okay with a bath vote which also makes sense as he was iffy and pressuring bath for a response. again this is something i can't really say for sure so i'd rather have other people's thoughts, altho i'm pretty sure they're both not scum. looking back on the end of day shifting, litt got off mostly because of bath quoting a dead player? the thing is here that litt / bath probably aren't scum together because there's no reason for litt scum to shift off bath scum when bath is a near universal sr, only draws more attention to litt if someone decided to shift onto bath. litt is a good player and bussing would be optimal for him as he could get rid of a uni sr, become a uni tr, and stay relatively safe given that the doc would protect him. still unsure but if there is a scum between them im still inclined to think bath the last possibility is that all 3 of them are scum and the whole eod shift was coordinated as were their interactions which would be incredible but i seriously doubt it, other players are looking scummy too. bath probably isn't scum with edj / litt, as for edj and litt, i can actually potentially see the chance of a scumteam of litt and edj with bath as their tool for messing up town. i think what litt said about news / edj not being a pair is valid but his reasoning on edj alone being town is that edj scum only "minorly benefits" which can be sorta lost in wifom. while most of litt's reasoning in general is pretty much solid, i feel like in the chance that they're both scum this single piece of reasoning is a bit lackluster in order to keep a tr on his buddy thinking about this is a bit difficult but bomb moss was also valid on this with bath's attention being scum manipulated, and if so, one of them is probably litt and edj. however i still want to say the litt / AM thing was townie within itself, and AM being scum probably soft clears litt, which might boil it back down to edj / bath. AM has also stayed relatively distant to bath I feel like which could make them possible candidates either way, im making more reads with more questions so thanks. i might be pushing crystal too hard for a new player especially since it's p much guaranteed there's at least an experienced scum player on the team. i think best course of action is unvote crystal vote animal midwife ill be back eod hopefully i really gotta do some work but yeah lmk thoughts i feel like this vote can be crucial for solving I don't really get the vote on AM here. Your previous posts have made it pretty clear that you think there is scum between either Crystal or I, if you feel like you're putting a bit too much pressure on Crystal as a new player then I could understand shifting off of them, but I'm confused why you shifted to AM mostly. It feels far too late in the day to gain anything out of shifting onto AM since its unlikely that votes will flip them tonight with how they're currently stacked. You also said you felt like Bath is unlikely to be scum, so I get why you wouldn't go on them as well as why you might want to shift the vote off of them, but if you were going to shift then why not shift onto me? You've already said several times that you think there's scum between Crystal or I, so then why wouldn't you shift to me? Unlike shifting to AM it would very much so be possible to shift a lynch onto me tonight which would both increase the chance of sparing Bath, someone you think might be town, and lynch someone who you think could be scum, being me if you shifted onto me or Crystal as well if you chose not to shift at all. The main thing I see happening by shifting onto AM here is it causing more chaos tbh. You've now set it up so that going into d4 there would continue to be sus on me and Crystal, as well as more sus on AM now too. This gives maf so many splits and wagons they could throw on tomorrow without looking sl for throwing on them themselves. I honestly feel like Bath is probably town here and that zorquax is scum with Crystal as a potential partner now, which would also fit my read earlier of thinking Crystal was sl. I'm gonna be shifting onto Crystal here because of this and lynching Crystal here could give us a lot more information I feel like based on how they've been tied into a lot reads, especially ones with zorquax now, while I don't see us gaining much from lynching Bath here tbh. Unvote Bath
Vote CrystalSo this feel scripted to me, you just spend two days voting for bath and talking about how they were not town to finally share that during eod. At this point it may be survivalism but vote erry |
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Post by ❗ on Jun 15, 2021 3:54:13 GMT
if ur talking about this i'm saying that ur admitting ur playing differently from your town pmeta which is implicating that litt's hunting method was actually legit therefore townlean on him, not u Literally nowhere did I say it was outside my town meta. I said consistent lowposting is demotivating and doesn't make me want to put a ton of energy into solving. Which you have seen me do as village before. Why are you stretching things? for you to have been playing differently as you do as town, whatever the reason, is playing differently from your town pmeta, and just like any other reasoning here, it's something that scum is able to make up. if you're talking about previous forum games, it's been i'm pretty sure more than a year since i've played my last and i don't have the faintest clue since you weren't an active psmaf player. Don't think i'm stretching anything |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:54:20 GMT
if ur talking about this i'm saying that ur admitting ur playing differently from your town pmeta which is implicating that litt's hunting method was actually legit therefore townlean on him, not u Literally nowhere did I say it was outside my town meta. I said consistent lowposting is demotivating and doesn't make me want to put a ton of energy into solving. Which you have seen me do as village before. Why are you stretching things? you're implicitly confirming that the observed thing is true and not refuting it, by giving a reason why that happened |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:55:37 GMT
I'm losing my mind
you shifted plur onto your own slot with that shift there
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 15, 2021 3:57:49 GMT
Literally nowhere did I say it was outside my town meta. I said consistent lowposting is demotivating and doesn't make me want to put a ton of energy into solving. Which you have seen me do as village before. Why are you stretching things? you're implicitly confirming that the observed thing is true and not refuting it, by giving a reason why that happened He's claiming it AI. It's not. I've never even been scum (outside of 3p) on here before though so it's really wolfy to push me for something like this. |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 15, 2021 3:59:34 GMT
you're implicitly confirming that the observed thing is true and not refuting it, by giving a reason why that happened He's claiming it AI. It's not. I've never even been scum (outside of 3p) on here before though so it's really wolfy to push me for something like this. he says it's ai for my slot because you're confirming my post is genuine I don't think it's wolfy because there are a lot of universes in which you do flip scum but I'll explain maybe if I somehow live the day |
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Post by ❗ on Jun 15, 2021 3:59:49 GMT
okok i appreciate the clarification so it was more of a general outline of a gutread / lean list instead of any solid reads i was talking more about the fact that bath is sticking on erry, but i understand the thought process you have here, similar to the way i feel bomb might be doing on erry as for bath / litt / edj the pairing post was mostly from what i read and was thinking of in general, but for the 3 of them i first wanna say edj has struck me as slightly defensive in some of his posts, moreso than others (excluding bath's eod), but his tone has been similar to erry's except more genuine. the thing litt pointed about news and edj seems valid and on top of that edj could have stayed defending bath but changed his read as he viewed the progression not to be townie. in the case edj was scum and bath was town, it feels like he could have just stuck with bath for pocket cred given that he was already gaining traction. ^ it turns out edj didn't defend bath as hard as i thought, i also thought he had used a pmeta on read before so actually if other people could give thoughts on this it would be nice. i feel as if edj was scum he would be preparing a fake counterwagon on bubida while bath got eliminated to help with the whole wagon towncred w/e w/e. in any case, it seems that edj was giving the impression that he was willing to let bath die, and I think if he was scum with bath he would have pushed harder on bubida given that he was pretty scummy. given scum bath and edj town, it's probably edj just being okay with a bath vote which also makes sense as he was iffy and pressuring bath for a response. again this is something i can't really say for sure so i'd rather have other people's thoughts, altho i'm pretty sure they're both not scum. looking back on the end of day shifting, litt got off mostly because of bath quoting a dead player? the thing is here that litt / bath probably aren't scum together because there's no reason for litt scum to shift off bath scum when bath is a near universal sr, only draws more attention to litt if someone decided to shift onto bath. litt is a good player and bussing would be optimal for him as he could get rid of a uni sr, become a uni tr, and stay relatively safe given that the doc would protect him. still unsure but if there is a scum between them im still inclined to think bath the last possibility is that all 3 of them are scum and the whole eod shift was coordinated as were their interactions which would be incredible but i seriously doubt it, other players are looking scummy too. bath probably isn't scum with edj / litt, as for edj and litt, i can actually potentially see the chance of a scumteam of litt and edj with bath as their tool for messing up town. i think what litt said about news / edj not being a pair is valid but his reasoning on edj alone being town is that edj scum only "minorly benefits" which can be sorta lost in wifom. while most of litt's reasoning in general is pretty much solid, i feel like in the chance that they're both scum this single piece of reasoning is a bit lackluster in order to keep a tr on his buddy thinking about this is a bit difficult but bomb moss was also valid on this with bath's attention being scum manipulated, and if so, one of them is probably litt and edj. however i still want to say the litt / AM thing was townie within itself, and AM being scum probably soft clears litt, which might boil it back down to edj / bath. AM has also stayed relatively distant to bath I feel like which could make them possible candidates either way, im making more reads with more questions so thanks. i might be pushing crystal too hard for a new player especially since it's p much guaranteed there's at least an experienced scum player on the team. i think best course of action is unvote crystal vote animal midwife ill be back eod hopefully i really gotta do some work but yeah lmk thoughts i feel like this vote can be crucial for solving I don't really get the vote on AM here. Your previous posts have made it pretty clear that you think there is scum between either Crystal or I, if you feel like you're putting a bit too much pressure on Crystal as a new player then I could understand shifting off of them, but I'm confused why you shifted to AM mostly. It feels far too late in the day to gain anything out of shifting onto AM since its unlikely that votes will flip them tonight with how they're currently stacked. You also said you felt like Bath is unlikely to be scum, so I get why you wouldn't go on them as well as why you might want to shift the vote off of them, but if you were going to shift then why not shift onto me? You've already said several times that you think there's scum between Crystal or I, so then why wouldn't you shift to me? Unlike shifting to AM it would very much so be possible to shift a lynch onto me tonight which would both increase the chance of sparing Bath, someone you think might be town, and lynch someone who you think could be scum, being me if you shifted onto me or Crystal as well if you chose not to shift at all. The main thing I see happening by shifting onto AM here is it causing more chaos tbh. You've now set it up so that going into d4 there would continue to be sus on me and Crystal, as well as more sus on AM now too. This gives maf so many splits and wagons they could throw on tomorrow without looking sl for throwing on them themselves. I honestly feel like Bath is probably town here and that zorquax is scum with Crystal as a potential partner now, which would also fit my read earlier of thinking Crystal was sl. I'm gonna be shifting onto Crystal here because of this and lynching Crystal here could give us a lot more information I feel like based on how they've been tied into a lot reads, especially ones with zorquax now, while I don't see us gaining much from lynching Bath here tbh. Unvote Bath
Vote Crystalmy vote on AM is simply due to poe, in the case that one of you / crystal is scum, that leaves the litt / edj / bath trio, which I believe has one scum, and between bomb moss and AM, bomb's vote on erry felt out of place but his reasoning for the bath thing and his fundamental hallmark resonated pretty townie to me, esp after reconsidering my read on bath and that scum is likely influencing the vote on him. eod shifts are common and i see no reason to risk a 50/50 when im pretty sure this is the outlier scum. there's 1 min left but you seemed to have done a full 180 on me which idk how to feel about |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 15, 2021 4:00:12 GMT
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 15, 2021 4:09:01 GMT
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 15, 2021 4:14:21 GMT
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 16, 2021 3:59:46 GMT
xnadrojx has died. They were Druid (Doctor).
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 16, 2021 4:00:37 GMT
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 16, 2021 4:09:55 GMT
I hope you realize zorq is all but outted.
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 16, 2021 4:11:57 GMT
Also, was xnad an overnight sub? I legit don't recognize that name.
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Post by ❗ on Jun 16, 2021 12:42:47 GMT
ffd, don't think am's edje tunnel is not consistent with how they usually play binged through the forum game time heist where this was literally the same perceived situation, where they kept pushing azero everyday but it was actually spirited while you can boil some part of it down to like general thread inactivity, you'd think they'd be some degree of annoyance which is like completely absent in their posts, rather, they're just skating which says to me it's likely they're non town I don't really feel invested in this game to be honest. Majority lowposting does that to me. admitting that your playstyle is different here for whatever reason ^ you're implicitly confirming that the observed thing is true and not refuting it, by giving a reason why that happened He's claiming it AI. It's not. I've never even been scum (outside of 3p) on here before though so it's really wolfy to push me for something like this. pmeta is AI, and pmeta does not require knowing both sides of the coin to determine which u r. if, within my realm of knowledge, you acted a certain way as town in one game, and you admitted that you were less spirited this game (as a result of "lowposting"), you are acting different from your town pmeta. your grounds for pushing were also that I called you and litt v/v, and you seemed to have dropped that after clarifying, but are still pushing me for the other reason without backing down about that. the pmeta was a lead, I stated that the vote was due to poe as well, but your reactions have been over the top and meant to defend rather than discuss and the only reason I can think of such an exaggerated reaction is because you personally feel outed from what you said. regardless though i think the crystal / erry thing holds true, esp since erry turned their reads last second on me knowing that crystal was about to be voted out. not confident about the third but as i said if it's am it's probably not Litt, and to a lesser extent probably not edj (again, unless they planned the reactions). have something else to say but i would like Animal Midwife to respond first |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 16, 2021 12:45:03 GMT
Also, was xnad an overnight sub? I legit don't recognize that name. Xnad was bmoss. Right now, I'm focused mostly on Bath and Litt. Bath for the survival play before (remember, Bubz was afk so we didn't know if he was potentially doc) & just tunnelling without scumhunting. Litt has been opportunistic since imo, has ignored bath completely and idk, his reads just haven't been doing it for me. Erry has been super utr for me so I'll read back after work. I still tl quaz and midwife. Edj = mystery. |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 16, 2021 12:46:30 GMT
Also since it's lylo, the obligatory Nobody Listens to NewsDan
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 16, 2021 15:26:00 GMT
okok i appreciate the clarification so it was more of a general outline of a gutread / lean list instead of any solid reads i was talking more about the fact that bath is sticking on erry, but i understand the thought process you have here, similar to the way i feel bomb might be doing on erry as for bath / litt / edj the pairing post was mostly from what i read and was thinking of in general, but for the 3 of them i first wanna say edj has struck me as slightly defensive in some of his posts, moreso than others (excluding bath's eod), but his tone has been similar to erry's except more genuine. the thing litt pointed about news and edj seems valid and on top of that edj could have stayed defending bath but changed his read as he viewed the progression not to be townie. in the case edj was scum and bath was town, it feels like he could have just stuck with bath for pocket cred given that he was already gaining traction. ^ it turns out edj didn't defend bath as hard as i thought, i also thought he had used a pmeta on read before so actually if other people could give thoughts on this it would be nice. i feel as if edj was scum he would be preparing a fake counterwagon on bubida while bath got eliminated to help with the whole wagon towncred w/e w/e. in any case, it seems that edj was giving the impression that he was willing to let bath die, and I think if he was scum with bath he would have pushed harder on bubida given that he was pretty scummy. given scum bath and edj town, it's probably edj just being okay with a bath vote which also makes sense as he was iffy and pressuring bath for a response. again this is something i can't really say for sure so i'd rather have other people's thoughts, altho i'm pretty sure they're both not scum. looking back on the end of day shifting, litt got off mostly because of bath quoting a dead player? the thing is here that litt / bath probably aren't scum together because there's no reason for litt scum to shift off bath scum when bath is a near universal sr, only draws more attention to litt if someone decided to shift onto bath. litt is a good player and bussing would be optimal for him as he could get rid of a uni sr, become a uni tr, and stay relatively safe given that the doc would protect him. still unsure but if there is a scum between them im still inclined to think bath the last possibility is that all 3 of them are scum and the whole eod shift was coordinated as were their interactions which would be incredible but i seriously doubt it, other players are looking scummy too. bath probably isn't scum with edj / litt, as for edj and litt, i can actually potentially see the chance of a scumteam of litt and edj with bath as their tool for messing up town. i think what litt said about news / edj not being a pair is valid but his reasoning on edj alone being town is that edj scum only "minorly benefits" which can be sorta lost in wifom. while most of litt's reasoning in general is pretty much solid, i feel like in the chance that they're both scum this single piece of reasoning is a bit lackluster in order to keep a tr on his buddy thinking about this is a bit difficult but bomb moss was also valid on this with bath's attention being scum manipulated, and if so, one of them is probably litt and edj. however i still want to say the litt / AM thing was townie within itself, and AM being scum probably soft clears litt, which might boil it back down to edj / bath. AM has also stayed relatively distant to bath I feel like which could make them possible candidates either way, im making more reads with more questions so thanks. i might be pushing crystal too hard for a new player especially since it's p much guaranteed there's at least an experienced scum player on the team. i think best course of action is unvote crystal vote animal midwife ill be back eod hopefully i really gotta do some work but yeah lmk thoughts i feel like this vote can be crucial for solving I don't really get the vote on AM here. Your previous posts have made it pretty clear that you think there is scum between either Crystal or I, if you feel like you're putting a bit too much pressure on Crystal as a new player then I could understand shifting off of them, but I'm confused why you shifted to AM mostly. It feels far too late in the day to gain anything out of shifting onto AM since its unlikely that votes will flip them tonight with how they're currently stacked. You also said you felt like Bath is unlikely to be scum, so I get why you wouldn't go on them as well as why you might want to shift the vote off of them, but if you were going to shift then why not shift onto me? You've already said several times that you think there's scum between Crystal or I, so then why wouldn't you shift to me? Unlike shifting to AM it would very much so be possible to shift a lynch onto me tonight which would both increase the chance of sparing Bath, someone you think might be town, and lynch someone who you think could be scum, being me if you shifted onto me or Crystal as well if you chose not to shift at all. The main thing I see happening by shifting onto AM here is it causing more chaos tbh. You've now set it up so that going into d4 there would continue to be sus on me and Crystal, as well as more sus on AM now too. This gives maf so many splits and wagons they could throw on tomorrow without looking sl for throwing on them themselves. I honestly feel like Bath is probably town here and that zorquax is scum with Crystal as a potential partner now, which would also fit my read earlier of thinking Crystal was sl. I'm gonna be shifting onto Crystal here because of this and lynching Crystal here could give us a lot more information I feel like based on how they've been tied into a lot reads, especially ones with zorquax now, while I don't see us gaining much from lynching Bath here tbh. Unvote Bath
Vote CrystalQuestion for erry - after all this, the accusation of creating chaos, why go on Crystal? You say its info but if you're tunnelling into zorq creating chaos and keeping you both around, wouldn't zorq be your sus? The vote on Crystal only makes sense as survivalism imo |
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Post by erry on Jun 16, 2021 15:52:09 GMT
I don't really get the vote on AM here. Your previous posts have made it pretty clear that you think there is scum between either Crystal or I, if you feel like you're putting a bit too much pressure on Crystal as a new player then I could understand shifting off of them, but I'm confused why you shifted to AM mostly. It feels far too late in the day to gain anything out of shifting onto AM since its unlikely that votes will flip them tonight with how they're currently stacked. You also said you felt like Bath is unlikely to be scum, so I get why you wouldn't go on them as well as why you might want to shift the vote off of them, but if you were going to shift then why not shift onto me? You've already said several times that you think there's scum between Crystal or I, so then why wouldn't you shift to me? Unlike shifting to AM it would very much so be possible to shift a lynch onto me tonight which would both increase the chance of sparing Bath, someone you think might be town, and lynch someone who you think could be scum, being me if you shifted onto me or Crystal as well if you chose not to shift at all. The main thing I see happening by shifting onto AM here is it causing more chaos tbh. You've now set it up so that going into d4 there would continue to be sus on me and Crystal, as well as more sus on AM now too. This gives maf so many splits and wagons they could throw on tomorrow without looking sl for throwing on them themselves. I honestly feel like Bath is probably town here and that zorquax is scum with Crystal as a potential partner now, which would also fit my read earlier of thinking Crystal was sl. I'm gonna be shifting onto Crystal here because of this and lynching Crystal here could give us a lot more information I feel like based on how they've been tied into a lot reads, especially ones with zorquax now, while I don't see us gaining much from lynching Bath here tbh. Unvote Bath
Vote CrystalQuestion for erry - after all this, the accusation of creating chaos, why go on Crystal? You say its info but if you're tunnelling into zorq creating chaos and keeping you both around, wouldn't zorq be your sus? The vote on Crystal only makes sense as survivalism imo Firstly I didn't need to make a survivalism play there at all, if I stuck on Bath then Bath would've been voted, I had no reason to switch for survivalism there at all. The reason I went on Crystal over zorq was because I saw no chance of zorq being voted with how the votes were stacking and at the eod yesterday, but I felt almost positive that they were a pair based on how zorq acted in that post as well as my previous sus on Crystal. So you're right about me voting Crystal because zorq was my sus but it was more because I thought they were a pair and I saw no chance of lynching zorq while I did see a chance of lynching the other person I thought was scum in that pair, Crystal. |
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Post by erry on Jun 16, 2021 15:52:57 GMT
Also with that said I'm kind of shocked that Crystal was town, I'm really unsure who to suspect now, so I'll need a bit to review previous messages from people before I feel confident in a vote today
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jun 16, 2021 19:45:14 GMT
Also, was xnad an overnight sub? I legit don't recognize that name. Xnad was bmoss. Right now, I'm focused mostly on Bath and Litt. Bath for the survival play before (remember, Bubz was afk so we didn't know if he was potentially doc) & just tunnelling without scumhunting. Litt has been opportunistic since imo, has ignored bath completely and idk, his reads just haven't been doing it for me. Erry has been super utr for me so I'll read back after work. I still tl quaz and midwife. Edj = mystery. Me? A mystery? Just how I like it :) Honestly though I haven't been reading the people I felt good about because I was really sure of my reads but of course now that's wrong. It was pretty easy to take advantage of the lack of posts in the game and gain towncred for getting the game started, which is exactly what Litt did. Honestly I think our roles switched during the game, where he went from more aggressive to more passive while I went the other way, and becoming passive once you gain some towncred is definitely more indicative of scum. Unlike Dan though I don't have a tl on midwife. I got used to tunneling in PS and just learned to ignore it because it never really got anywhere, but it's also a pretty easy way to fly under the radar and get away with just coasting through the game, which honestly seems to be what scum is doing while we just fucking selfdestruct. I think I just need to forget my d1 reads in general because I'm not sure what this means for bath? If midwife is scum then there couldn't have been a possible bus that got saved by the crystal switch right? Though didn't crystal shift plur onto themselves |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jun 16, 2021 19:46:07 GMT
Also since it's lylo, the obligatory Nobody Listens to NewsDan man why don't you try being more aggressive then |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 16, 2021 19:55:25 GMT
Also since it's lylo, the obligatory Nobody Listens to NewsDan man why don't you try being more aggressive then No. |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 16, 2021 19:59:55 GMT
For anyone who has played with Zorq on forum, is there pmeta I should be aware of? My zorq pmeta is lurk/meme until lylo, which is NOT happening.
I agree that Litt has been more and more passive as things went on, but edj you (as you said) have been kinda passive too. Maybe a tvs scenario there but I'm not entirely confident in that. Thoughts from the peanut gallery?
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 17, 2021 1:42:52 GMT
Can people, yknow, talk? It's lylo after all
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