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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 14, 2021 2:55:47 GMT
Yeah, there's not a lot of content but I'm not sure how to go about generating more until we get a scum flip.
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Post by erry on Jun 14, 2021 3:34:18 GMT
To me, the hallmark of scumtells is trying to look townie without actually doing anything that will produce alignment indicative content. So erry can I raise the counterpoint to you, what would you like to see more from me? Do you just want me to post more so you can read my tone? Or do you want me to start prodding people and chasing reads? Because as far as I can tell, you've not addressed anyone directly for anything. You're throwing reads out there for "I don't like their baseless reads" and "I don't like gut/tone reads" or "their logic is sound". Before I get misconstrued, I don't really care if its right or wrong. But reading people based off their own read logic is just the laziest and inaccurate method to determine alignments. Town and Mafia both have logic. Logic is a universal thing. Logic doesn't separate town from mafia, it's just another vector to approach the game from. Vote erryI don't like your reads, not necessarily because I disagree, but because it feels like a lazy attempt to throw reads out there to "contribute" and be a good townie or whatever. If anyone else has anything specific they want to engage me with, I'm going to be online for the next few hours. You asked what I wanted to see more from you, so tbh I want to see more like this post from you because to me this feels like the first post I've seen from you that's actually had logic behind it. I get your point about both sides having their own logic, but until now it feels like you haven't had any to me, everything you've done has just felt like a really bland attempt to skate by without sinking anything actually into it. This post actually makes sense to me though, I can actually see logic in it and that's what I was mostly saying you weren't presenting before imo |
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Post by erry on Jun 14, 2021 3:38:06 GMT
Yeah, there's not a lot of content but I'm not sure how to go about generating more until we get a scum flip. Also I do see the point from AM here about how there's not much we can do until we get a scum flip, but it feels better to at least do something than nothing imo, at least then we can have more to go off of for when a scum flip happens if nothing else. Though I do kind of agree with them, I don't know what else there really is to add at the current time unless other people say more or we actually can find scum to base more off of |
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Post by bathsplishsploosh on Jun 14, 2021 7:21:24 GMT
I listed further reasoning as to why I initially voted him yesterday, but after his further actions yesterday and now today I see even less reason to believe him as town. I'll try to be here eod in case anything drastic changes, but for now Vote Bathno the initial sl was bc you were the first in the game to sheep a vote or smth like that. I said it d1 |
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Post by bathsplishsploosh on Jun 14, 2021 7:23:26 GMT
oh I quoted the wrong thing smh
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jun 14, 2021 9:37:12 GMT
y'all really do asking for logic and reasoning in a game of 8 pages huh. Asking people for their reasons isn't the only way to provoke AI content y'know. As far as I can see, there's barely anything substantial to base any reads off, other than people being "generally" townie or "generally" scummy Ok so uh... would you like to provoke some instead of saying this? Also why u against bath here? Seemed like an obv desperation play what desperation? Do you know what desperation means? Also am I really the only one against a bath flip? |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jun 14, 2021 9:47:24 GMT
I don't really want to elaborate on behavioral tells because they often go both ways, but like.
Re-read that EoD and try to think about it in more meaningful ways other than "defense = scum" like y'all seem to be throwing out. Quax even had a whole post sitting on the fence about it, but at least he put thought into it. Does bath sound more desperate or frustrated? What do you think scum feels in that situation?
Something about Quax's post is where he says "the frustration might stem from scum thinking they're playing well", but does the same not apply for a townie? You say it feels worse when it's scum because of the "right for the wrong reasons" effect, but I can also say that it feels worse as a townie, because you know they're wrong and you're seeing fellow townies throw the game by having bad reads. Do you have the grasp on bath's playermeta to say which kind is he?
The tipping point for me is that the push on bath is so half-assed that I'm convinced that there's scum intent behind it, because it seems hellla more focused on "bath must die" instead of "bath is scum". I'm sure the significance of this difference is obvious to anyone genuinely reading posts.
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 14, 2021 13:30:06 GMT
Ok so uh... would you like to provoke some instead of saying this? Also why u against bath here? Seemed like an obv desperation play what desperation? Do you know what desperation means? Also am I really the only one against a bath flip? Um... 1. You still didnt explain why you're against it. 2. Was it not desperation that he shifted to bubida? |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jun 14, 2021 13:50:40 GMT
what desperation? Do you know what desperation means? Also am I really the only one against a bath flip? Um... 1. You still didnt explain why you're against it. 2. Was it not desperation that he shifted to bubida? read please |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 14, 2021 15:24:20 GMT
Um... 1. You still didnt explain why you're against it. 2. Was it not desperation that he shifted to bubida? read please Very useful comment, but please link me to where you explain your bath read. If you're gonna pretend you're contributing to the gamestate rather than popping in once a day with some mafia philosophy, at least back up what you're saying. |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 14, 2021 18:10:57 GMT
troll dan: check I think I can safely box edje as town along with quax, with high probability erry is in there for multiple solo posts that gave me town vibes news too from yesterday I guess? with optimal play but yeah, lightly lower bath probably minorly in there unless he gambitted that which is a fact check gimm bubida crystal am xnad for 3 part 2 in a bit Could you explain why your village reading edj if you haven't already? eod shift to snackers seemed genuine because he was creating initiative gel with their posts |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 14, 2021 18:17:13 GMT
more so that nobody's saving news at eod and even news has given up and disappeared at eod1 when he could be on to plurshift or convince me otherwise
edje has no reason to implicate himself by saving news when he's getting outed once news eventually flips, when he can just ask news to shift
and the other case that news town edje scum, he has quite minor benefit from like swinging the vote because it's just dead at that point, and it feels far from that
hence boxing up edje forever there
former's why I don't think news is scum as well because he made 0 attempts at surviving
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Post by litteleven on Jun 14, 2021 18:54:05 GMT
at this point, just need to solve quax I think
poe falls into place
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Post by litteleven on Jun 14, 2021 19:20:48 GMT
To me, the hallmark of scumtells is trying to look townie without actually doing anything that will produce alignment indicative content. So erry can I raise the counterpoint to you, what would you like to see more from me? Do you just want me to post more so you can read my tone? Or do you want me to start prodding people and chasing reads? Because as far as I can tell, you've not addressed anyone directly for anything. You're throwing reads out there for "I don't like their baseless reads" and "I don't like gut/tone reads" or "their logic is sound". Before I get misconstrued, I don't really care if its right or wrong. But reading people based off their own read logic is just the laziest and inaccurate method to determine alignments. Town and Mafia both have logic. Logic is a universal thing. Logic doesn't separate town from mafia, it's just another vector to approach the game from. Vote erryI don't like your reads, not necessarily because I disagree, but because it feels like a lazy attempt to throw reads out there to "contribute" and be a good townie or whatever. If anyone else has anything specific they want to engage me with, I'm going to be online for the next few hours. the erry post is them trying to make a read to fit everyone in the pl currently, and like this post doubles down and votes them which I don't think feels right at best, could you consider thinking about other slots? if you think people pushing bath gives you vibes of scum intention, why aren't you like reading the wagon and weighing people who've expressed likely to be scum rather than going off your current read? First read through I felt like this was surely constricted scum because they have not many wrong votes to push, but the latter posts are quite good which sucks, they're currently not in my town poe so I'm quite indecisive xnad is an excellent player in general which doesn't help erry makes a lot of sense in their posting in general to me atleast, it feels non-fictional atleast, plus they come off with a negative tone which just feels quite towny vote crystal I feel quax town more poe dictates this if quax is town, also v low probability of them choosing to bus here, plus reasons seem to stick out have been unsuccessful stopping stuff like bubida vote because I lacked proactivity but hopefully that ends here would also say AM is quite likely to flip scum regardless might be on for a while but the tides should change regardless |
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Post by crystal on Jun 14, 2021 19:21:37 GMT
So here I am, and these are my suspicions/reads: Bath is the first on the list, because of everything that we stated before and his reaction to the accusations, espcially the vote he justified by survivalism, I think it's time we vote him, we have been talking about this since day one Litt is the "second" one I guess, I don't think their activity at the beggining can justify a town read, and their last vote on bubida, removing the one on bath, made me think it was to protect bath, while they didn't really provide a decent answerI don't feel safe regarding edj either, he was the first one to vote bubida because of only two posts that weren't really akward, plus he kinda try to pocket me while I said earlier I found him suspicious I'm not sure about erry and news and bomb, they could be both idk, I would rank them as : erry>bomb>news For the town side, I'll put animal an ! for now since I don't get scum vibes from them this is cool and all but this is explaining why they are keeping litt as a sr (even though they have not explained why the previous read had been a scumread rather than a nullread ((off something not being townie in their eyes)) ) so it feels way too logically inconsistent, you can defend yourself but at this point it's going to feel like you're just making stuff up vote crystal Well I admit that at first it was more of a gut read than anything, I just found them suspicious, but i add in the quote you used more reasoning that kinda confirm my first idea, and I'm still sticking to put them in the mafia team Moreover, I don't feel inconsistent on that part at least, since I have the same idea from day two I still stand on voting bath today, I didn't see any convincing reasons to change this vote, or to choose someone else |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 14, 2021 19:27:48 GMT
ffd, don't think am's edje tunnel is not consistent with how they usually play
binged through the forum game time heist where this was literally the same perceived situation, where they kept pushing azero everyday but it was actually spirited
while you can boil some part of it down to like general thread inactivity, you'd think they'd be some degree of annoyance which is like completely absent in their posts, rather, they're just skating which says to me it's likely they're non town
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Post by litteleven on Jun 14, 2021 19:28:53 GMT
crystal what compels you to town AM from what they've said?
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Post by litteleven on Jun 14, 2021 19:55:59 GMT
actually even if you respond I am not going to be awake to like respond, hopefully see you at eod, someone responsible take care of this pls kthxbye
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Post by crystal on Jun 14, 2021 20:10:20 GMT
crystal what compels you to town AM from what they've said? So basically I don't see why they would vote like that one player if they were mafia, I mean it's not the best strategy and it might seems tunneling after 3 days but the fact that I also feel sus about edj put them outside of the mafia party for me. The problem is that they didn't post a lot, except to vote for edj, so it's very hard to get clear conclusions at the end of the day |
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 14, 2021 20:14:17 GMT
Yeah, there's not a lot of content but I'm not sure how to go about generating more until we get a scum flip. Also I do see the point from AM here about how there's not much we can do until we get a scum flip, but it feels better to at least do something than nothing imo, at least then we can have more to go off of for when a scum flip happens if nothing else. Though I do kind of agree with them, I don't know what else there really is to add at the current time unless other people say more or we actually can find scum to base more off of This kinda feels like a nothing statement. |
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Post by Animal Midwife on Jun 14, 2021 20:17:10 GMT
ffd, don't think am's edje tunnel is not consistent with how they usually play binged through the forum game time heist where this was literally the same perceived situation, where they kept pushing azero everyday but it was actually spirited while you can boil some part of it down to like general thread inactivity, you'd think they'd be some degree of annoyance which is like completely absent in their posts, rather, they're just skating which says to me it's likely they're non town I don't really feel invested in this game to be honest. Majority lowposting does that to me. |
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Post by crystal on Jun 14, 2021 20:37:08 GMT
So i tried to read again the posts during d1 and d2, and I still feel that there is surely one and probably at least two mafia in bath/litt/edj relying on their interactions and votes
I don't think I'll be here before the deadline because it's the middle of the night for me (is that what everyone is talking about when they use eod ? i'm not sure lol if someone can explain this abbreviation), but I can still answer any questions for one or two hours, for now I stick on voting bath as no one bring new points.
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Post by ❗ on Jun 14, 2021 20:39:42 GMT
y'all really do asking for logic and reasoning in a game of 8 pages huh. Asking people for their reasons isn't the only way to provoke AI content y'know. As far as I can see, there's barely anything substantial to base any reads off, other than people being "generally" townie or "generally" scummy. I'd also like to call out how "their posts looks townie" or "their logic makes sense" or "I see town intent" is vague enough to be basically fluff. Which is fine when there's nothing else to base your read off but it's not exactly the pinnacle of what makes someone towncore. first of all wanna say if there is scum between AM / News it is AM crystal / erry not pair bath / erry not pair bomb / erry likely not pair and what litt said i agree edj / news not pair there's a very low chance edj / AM are a pair, the vote would be a good play since edj probably wouldn't get traction but edj's reactions make me doubt svs as for the next two posts can you explain bcuz i feel like im misinterpreting what you're saying, for this one it seems like you're saying there isn't much to go off of, but people who are saying those "fluff" phrases are saying that people are "generally townie" and "generally scummy" aren't they? To me, the hallmark of scumtells is trying to look townie without actually doing anything that will produce alignment indicative content. So erry can I raise the counterpoint to you, what would you like to see more from me? Do you just want me to post more so you can read my tone? Or do you want me to start prodding people and chasing reads? Because as far as I can tell, you've not addressed anyone directly for anything. You're throwing reads out there for "I don't like their baseless reads" and "I don't like gut/tone reads" or "their logic is sound". Before I get misconstrued, I don't really care if its right or wrong. But reading people based off their own read logic is just the laziest and inaccurate method to determine alignments. Town and Mafia both have logic. Logic is a universal thing. Logic doesn't separate town from mafia, it's just another vector to approach the game from. Vote erryI don't like your reads, not necessarily because I disagree, but because it feels like a lazy attempt to throw reads out there to "contribute" and be a good townie or whatever. If anyone else has anything specific they want to engage me with, I'm going to be online for the next few hours. ok so here i super agree with the scumtell part it's just that again, clarify what you're saying if im wrong, but this feels like an omgus since you're taking the last part of erry's statement (a sl on you) and using the fact that they aren't doing anything with their reads which doesn't seem to be the case based on their read list before, which seemed pretty reasonable to me, unless i'm misinterpreting "you've not addressed anyone directly for anything" basically seems like nitpicking their last statement and twisting it into your own narrative, which is that scum doesn't do anything with the information they receive from asking questions etc. To me, the hallmark of scumtells is trying to look townie without actually doing anything that will produce alignment indicative content. So erry can I raise the counterpoint to you, what would you like to see more from me? Do you just want me to post more so you can read my tone? Or do you want me to start prodding people and chasing reads? Because as far as I can tell, you've not addressed anyone directly for anything. You're throwing reads out there for "I don't like their baseless reads" and "I don't like gut/tone reads" or "their logic is sound". Before I get misconstrued, I don't really care if its right or wrong. But reading people based off their own read logic is just the laziest and inaccurate method to determine alignments. Town and Mafia both have logic. Logic is a universal thing. Logic doesn't separate town from mafia, it's just another vector to approach the game from. Vote erryI don't like your reads, not necessarily because I disagree, but because it feels like a lazy attempt to throw reads out there to "contribute" and be a good townie or whatever. If anyone else has anything specific they want to engage me with, I'm going to be online for the next few hours. You asked what I wanted to see more from you, so tbh I want to see more like this post from you because to me this feels like the first post I've seen from you that's actually had logic behind it. I get your point about both sides having their own logic, but until now it feels like you haven't had any to me, everything you've done has just felt like a really bland attempt to skate by without sinking anything actually into it. This post actually makes sense to me though, I can actually see logic in it and that's what I was mostly saying you weren't presenting before imo @bombmoss thoughts on this? I listed further reasoning as to why I initially voted him yesterday, but after his further actions yesterday and now today I see even less reason to believe him as town. I'll try to be here eod in case anything drastic changes, but for now Vote Bathno the initial sl was bc you were the first in the game to sheep a vote or smth like that. I said it d1 weren't you getting upset that the reasons for you were bad? unless that was rvs it doesn't seem like solid reasoning to justify the same push I don't really want to elaborate on behavioral tells because they often go both ways, but like. Re-read that EoD and try to think about it in more meaningful ways other than "defense = scum" like y'all seem to be throwing out. Quax even had a whole post sitting on the fence about it, but at least he put thought into it. Does bath sound more desperate or frustrated? What do you think scum feels in that situation? Something about Quax's post is where he says "the frustration might stem from scum thinking they're playing well", but does the same not apply for a townie? You say it feels worse when it's scum because of the "right for the wrong reasons" effect, but I can also say that it feels worse as a townie, because you know they're wrong and you're seeing fellow townies throw the game by having bad reads. Do you have the grasp on bath's playermeta to say which kind is he? The tipping point for me is that the push on bath is so half-assed that I'm convinced that there's scum intent behind it, because it seems hellla more focused on "bath must die" instead of "bath is scum". I'm sure the significance of this difference is obvious to anyone genuinely reading posts. the thing is that personally as town and I think as a general town mentality (although maybe dumb) is that as a town you are being as genuine and expressive as you are supposed to be as town, which means that the burden of responsibility lies upon other people to try and figure out whether you are town or not. main objective as town is to find scum, which is their goal, which can be achieved through any means desired, while as scum you want to maintain the appearance of a general "pro active townie" or at least something that resembles a townie, which is why your other point about the hallmark of scumtells. but honestly thinking about it as i wrote it, bath has been pretty genuine, and while he could be genuinely desperate, compared to the rest of town, he's been a general outlier who doesn't really seem to have an agenda. i can't say i have a solid playermeta bcuz it's mostly instinctive but he is a pretty expressive player as town i remember so i agree there are better votes than bath today the thing with erry is that i agree with bomb moss that he is trying to appear townie, but not in the way that he's saying where they aren't doing anything with their info. It's more like they're kind of staying under the radar with their towniness, but also making their reads that really have one main line of thinking. basically the too townie thing problem is i don't really see a valid partner for erry besides litt, and in which case edj would probably be town, on top of the fact that litt might have done 2 / 1 with their trs at the end of the day i'm most unfamiliar with crystal and erry but i'm confident one is scum |
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Post by ❗ on Jun 14, 2021 20:46:54 GMT
crystal what compels you to town AM from what they've said? So basically I don't see why they would vote like that one player if they were mafia, I mean it's not the best strategy and it might seems tunneling after 3 days but the fact that I also feel sus about edj put them outside of the mafia party for me. The problem is that they didn't post a lot, except to vote for edj, so it's very hard to get clear conclusions at the end of the day as for ur other post i can't comment much on a gutread but think it would have made more sense if you said that earlier as for this what do you think about bath's push on erry? |
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Post by ❗ on Jun 14, 2021 20:53:21 GMT
ffd, don't think am's edje tunnel is not consistent with how they usually play binged through the forum game time heist where this was literally the same perceived situation, where they kept pushing azero everyday but it was actually spirited while you can boil some part of it down to like general thread inactivity, you'd think they'd be some degree of annoyance which is like completely absent in their posts, rather, they're just skating which says to me it's likely they're non town ffd, don't think am's edje tunnel is not consistent with how they usually play binged through the forum game time heist where this was literally the same perceived situation, where they kept pushing azero everyday but it was actually spirited while you can boil some part of it down to like general thread inactivity, you'd think they'd be some degree of annoyance which is like completely absent in their posts, rather, they're just skating which says to me it's likely they're non town I don't really feel invested in this game to be honest. Majority lowposting does that to me. litt searching and animal admitting to their town pmeta and that it's different this game actually a p big towntell |
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