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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 10:10:39 GMT
Chaos: Has been very straightforward with their reads and honestly isn't afraid to back down from them, or argue to make a point. Hasn't been the most active, but has said enough to pass by and get the point across. TL Wallape: Mostly just keeps asking questions. They seem keen for info on town that should be considered irrelevant and have been swapping back and forth between ideas and reads on people with no apparent reason or transition from one read to the next. At least to me, they appear to be failing in making connections from one player to the next, and their reads seems half-assed and pulled out a bag and they're trying to jumble it all together for the sake of appearing town. Then if they're not asking questions with the attempt to appear useful, they're simply just agreeing with what someone else said and/or rephrasing it/paraphrasing it for their own usage. SL Kliff: Seems to be dedicated to their thoughts. They ask questions for the games sake and for info, not for personal gain. They're putting in the effort to advance the game and develop their reads, as well as throw suspicions at the people they sr, yet are also open to making trs. Also have been making points and searching into partners. TL Atricunight: This iso is, "wdym?, It's late, I didn't see it, I'll be more active." They also threw out random reads such as sl on ddlc, and tl's on me and sfl, with little to no provided reasoning for any of them. They've dodged/haven't answered any more questions thrown at them and its honestly like they're not even part of the game anymore. SL I realized i didn't respond to the allegations on me so I will now bolded part : You say that as if asking questions is a bad thing... most if not all of my questions are asked because they serve a purpose, like trying to understand what someone is saying/asking someone to elaborate on their read as vagueness gets us nowhere, in contrast to someone who asks questions to simply appear townie. Could you bring up questions that look like they're useless to you? Red part : I'm trying to keep an open mind here and be flexible on reads rather just tunneling one person, im looking at people who I feel are scummy upon re-reading stuff and am bringing them up. What's wrong with that? Blue part : He says, as he completely ignores all the other points i've brought up on people... This is a social game where you can't just solo solve the game, or atleast I can't. Incorporating other people's reads that you agree with but might not have seen urself is a vital component of game solving |
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 10:28:33 GMT
Also ppl towning gary off of his wallpost need to reread because most of his readslist is just sleeping mass player opinion atp with the exception of his sr on me
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 10:31:54 GMT
Why are you on them Still till this day? If they flip town Where would you look next? So my pool looks something like : GTS , Cyan , Vertigo , Fortcolors , Wallape and Articunight The shifting of votes of Gary or onto Penguin at the EOD yday makes me think Gary has a team. I mean , how is it possible that one generic wallpost caused so many people to shift off. That being said , Gary- Cyan and Gary-Vertigo are not probably compatible And from recent developments , I doubt Fortcolors - Vertigo are not compatible either If Gary flips town , I will look at my pool again and do more interaction analysis ik u think i bus, but the whole pool is sfl and people I've claimed a sl on including me and excluding you kek |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 10:34:34 GMT
asking questions that aren't contributing to game progression is bad. I then said kliff asks questions too in the very next read wape. I also said I'd be willing to go more in depth on any given player, so you may think its basic, but you haven't asked me to do so
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 14, 2021 10:48:52 GMT
Also ppl towning gary off of his wallpost need to reread because most of his readslist is just sleeping mass player opinion atp with the exception of his sr on me |
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 11:32:04 GMT
Um no? I was asleep before gary even posted his wallpost and I woke up after dl
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 11:38:42 GMT
im ngl i haven't noticed fort at all... everything they say seems alright but nothing in it stands out to me and makes me go "yeah he's town" but that just might be not reading too much. I might reread later on but rn im a bit busy with exam prep so can't :x also for all of the people saying gary is town - I want people to counter the arguments put forth other than just saying "the reasoning is bad/lackluster". Can someone explain to me how a townie goes through the process of "x is probably bussing y, so let me vote y because x is townier!" Also FOS on Kliff bc his reads change from day to day and his replies to all of my qs are rather vague... his day 1 peng read disappeared day 2 and turned to vote on Gary, who's vote progression seemed artificial. Now, on D3, his Gary read seems to have disappeared... it seems like he has an agenda that he's deciding at night bc these change in reads do not seem natural to me. People who tr kliff could you explain to me why kliff is town? Aside from his analysis on cyan/peng/gary team which i liked atp, i really don't see much gary - maybe i'm extra paranoid cuz of the ddlc mislynch, but gary lynch feels really reminiscent. and i think it's been said many times but with so many people pushing him pretty early who r u gonna pinpoint him with. maybe cyan for being one of the later pushers and recognizing the gary traction and going full send for optimal distancing (wifom) and probably lurkers. towards eod2 idt gary even knew if plur was on him or pd, yet i didnt see any desperation from him originally u were on gary for feigning indecisiveness but those days r long gone, he even made a readlist for the entire pl which is something even i tried to do and couldn't. now it's like ur reasoning kinda shifted. i agree gary's reasoning for originally lynching u originally was stupid. but im trying to think of why he would do that as scum, and the only reason i can think of is that he is partners with sfl, which is something that has been suggested many times, and which is something that would fit in with him being indecisive towards sfl, while sfl was originally tiptoeing reads around gary before hardpushing him in d2. but if i'm pushing thru with this cyan+gary angle i would def prefer going for cyan first i feel like parts of these r confirmation bias so i could be totally wrong and am embarassing myself hard, but ur reasons for lynching him r still the same reasons u sred him from d1, same as the other ppl who are lynching him. |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 11:41:03 GMT
ill uhhhh try to write on kliff after dinner but imma be honest idk what im gonna say outside of game solving now that i think abt it lol but we'll see
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 11:49:50 GMT
im ngl i haven't noticed fort at all... everything they say seems alright but nothing in it stands out to me and makes me go "yeah he's town" but that just might be not reading too much. I might reread later on but rn im a bit busy with exam prep so can't :x also for all of the people saying gary is town - I want people to counter the arguments put forth other than just saying "the reasoning is bad/lackluster". Can someone explain to me how a townie goes through the process of "x is probably bussing y, so let me vote y because x is townier!" Also FOS on Kliff bc his reads change from day to day and his replies to all of my qs are rather vague... his day 1 peng read disappeared day 2 and turned to vote on Gary, who's vote progression seemed artificial. Now, on D3, his Gary read seems to have disappeared... it seems like he has an agenda that he's deciding at night bc these change in reads do not seem natural to me. People who tr kliff could you explain to me why kliff is town? Aside from his analysis on cyan/peng/gary team which i liked atp, i really don't see much gary - maybe i'm extra paranoid cuz of the ddlc mislynch, but gary lynch feels really reminiscent. and i think it's been said many times but with so many people pushing him pretty early who r u gonna pinpoint him with. maybe cyan for being one of the later pushers and recognizing the gary traction and going full send for optimal distancing (wifom) and probably lurkers. towards eod2 idt gary even knew if plur was on him or pd, yet i didnt see any desperation from him originally u were on gary for feigning indecisiveness but those days r long gone, he even made a readlist for the entire pl which is something even i tried to do and couldn't. now it's like ur reasoning kinda shifted. i agree gary's reasoning for originally lynching u originally was stupid. but im trying to think of why he would do that as scum, and the only reason i can think of is that he is partners with sfl, which is something that has been suggested many times, and which is something that would fit in with him being indecisive towards sfl, while sfl was originally tiptoeing reads around gary before hardpushing him in d2. but if i'm pushing thru with this cyan+gary angle i would def prefer going for cyan first i feel like parts of these r confirmation bias so i could be totally wrong and am embarassing myself hard, but ur reasons for lynching him r still the same reasons u sred him from d1, same as the other ppl who are lynching him. From this i grasp that u understand why I sr gary but ur just looking at it from a completely different angle. My argument is "why would he do this as town". though idk what other ppl r sring him for ill have to reread |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 12:02:37 GMT
Just a couple of quick notes I’ll share just to get back in the momentum of posting.
Vertigo
➜Cyan v Vertigo seems interesting
Will post more, of course. 2. Vertigo has ended voting Gary EOD but also seemed to lack any passion for the vote in the span of 2 full days.
boi the first line is all u said about vertigo before ur next line about him being mid day 3. WHEN WERE u going to tell us u tred him and im assuming still tl up to rn. and why |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 12:08:15 GMT
i just realized but if ddlc was actually right im seriously gonna be so pissed.............................................
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 12:13:36 GMT
i still think the amount of depth bgb has put into his reads struck me as very townie but man i wish i did not read that chart. i will wait for him to explain himself
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 12:21:38 GMT
lynch vertigo i just feel like ur Actively avoiding the game at this point bc redacted
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 12:27:08 GMT
current vc is 3 on gary 2 on vertigo 1 on cyan bc we never get updates  . im okay with vertigo or cyan lynch but vertigo quite a bit more. i will now wait for someone to talk so i can stop flooding the thread |
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Post by cyan on Jun 14, 2021 14:13:57 GMT
when all else fails, you go back to basics. and basics tell me gary's wagon has had two consecutive counters that were pushed primarily for anti-town behaviour. that in and of itself is grounds for suspicion imo so i'd like to hear your thoughts about it nope, i didn't this is a standalone read based on wagons, but i'd wager at least one of the cw-voters would be a potential partner that is to say, wallape and articunight are prime choices for a partner. from interactions between gary and wallape i'm more willing to label gary + arti here as a team (the d2 votecount iso labels articunight as both abstaining and voting penguin, iso check shows the latter) irt fast wagon formation; the fact that the penguind wagon surfaced and gained immense traction out of nowhere to counter gary's wagon was, well, proof of an opposition to gary's wagon. it came late, though, so that's something to think about I think there's an important framing issue here for Day 1. On day 1 gary was one of two equal counterwagons to ddlc, penguin being the other. Quite frankly, I hadn't even realized gary's wagon had serious traction at the time and thought it was just between penguin and ddlc. This is important imo because gary being one of two equal counterwagons is a far cry from him being the primary wagon to which a counterwagon was later pushed on the basis of anti-town behavior, which is what happened day 2. Also, the penguin wagon day 2 did not come out of nowhere at all. Before my
shift 30 minutes before EoD1, penguin had 3 votes on him. Same as gary,
same as ddlc, meaning there were people who wanted him gone.
One thing to note is that if we lynch gary here we'd be lynching the third of the three day 1 wagons (lmao), which is probably a result of not having real nightkills to analyze? Actually, I think that's a funny if not particularly compelling reason to be lynching gary: "Is it really possible for ALL three counterwagons to have been town?" on one hand, thank you for bringing up this point of questioning because i honestly didn't consider it. gary/peng/ddlc being the d1 policy list makes sense to me; if gary flips town then it's probably really worth looking at who was laying the foundations for all three votes. if gary flips scum i'm just going to jump the gun on articoo without thinking on the other hand, the penguin wagon started off as your average cw but suddenly became far more popular after gary made a wallpost. idk if that's because wallposts have a towncred-mining effect or because scum had gained an excuse to shift onto the other vote |
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Post by cyan on Jun 14, 2021 14:16:23 GMT
Also ppl towning gary off of his wallpost need to reread because most of his readslist is just sleeping mass player opinion atp with the exception of his sr on me the contrarian in me thinkgs wallposting is just generally an easy way to look town without thinking about it. +1 to this post, and subsequently +1 to wallape. also, the interactions between this slot and sky tell me that they're having an honest discussion; it's unlikely that they're a scumteam which adds to my current pool of people who can't be scum with each other: - quojova/chaostrodon - skyfigueroa/wallape - garythesavage/wallape |
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Post by cyan on Jun 14, 2021 14:20:34 GMT
lynch vertigo i just feel like ur Actively avoiding the game at this point bc redacted i mean dude's like not even here so this lynch kinda just achieves nothing |
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 14:36:55 GMT
so hi there just a quick post please someone accumulate all the reasons why gary is scumread because i still fail to understand the wagon and the thought progression behind it.
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Post by kliff on Jun 14, 2021 14:42:30 GMT
wouldn't it be better to vote vertigo over sfl though? I feel like the sfl vote is just a bank shot and hoping it hits Its happening again …. I would think vertigo is more of a bank shot since they very limited content to go off from |
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 14:52:55 GMT
so hi there just a quick post please someone accumulate all the reasons why gary is scumread because i still fail to understand the wagon and the thought progression behind it. - Feigning Undecisiveness - Saying that Cyan was bussing me, voting me, and saying that he voted me over cyan because cyan was townier - Been Cwagon on D1 and D2, but not being voted - Sheeping reads in his wall posts Alternatively, why did you TR gary in the first place? U have conveniently avoided this question all game |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 14:57:34 GMT
i guesssssss but i still want him gone. if u may allow me to stretch and reach as far as i can, he arrives mid day 1 basically to throw questions back at ppl sussing him and pretty much omguses cyan. comes back hours later with a readlist, but he scumreads gary for the same reason he only scumleans/"worth looking into"'s chaos and arti. that was d1. then he never really came back again. is it unfair to hold a grudge against someone bc they have a life? yes. but he's not really making it easy for us..
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Post by kliff on Jun 14, 2021 15:11:38 GMT
Why are you on them Still till this day? If they flip town Where would you look next? So my pool looks something like : GTS , Cyan , Vertigo , Fortcolors , Wallape and Articunight The shifting of votes of Gary or onto Penguin at the EOD yday makes me think Gary has a team. I mean , how is it possible that one generic wallpost caused so many people to shift off. That being said , Gary- Cyan and Gary-Vertigo are not probably compatible And from recent developments , I doubt Fortcolors - Vertigo are not compatible either If Gary flips town , I will look at my pool again and do more interaction analysis Hmm, But didn’t that happen after you voted them twice in a row? |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 14, 2021 15:14:56 GMT
I dont follow?
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 15:15:35 GMT
so hi there just a quick post please someone accumulate all the reasons why gary is scumread because i still fail to understand the wagon and the thought progression behind it. - Feigning Undecisiveness - Saying that Cyan was bussing me, voting me, and saying that he voted me over cyan because cyan was townier - Been Cwagon on D1 and D2, but not being voted - Sheeping reads in his wall posts Alternatively, why did you TR gary in the first place? U have conveniently avoided this question all game i answered that :# i tled them d1 since i sred ddlc and gary+cyan were pushing that. i didn't understand the day 2 wagon at all since it felt like an overly weak reasoning and it the wagon felt less than pure(but i guess scum would've considered peng the easier wagon to push along?) cyan mentioned this: One thing to note is that if we lynch gary here we'd be lynching the third of the three day 1 wagons (lmao), which is probably a result of not having real nightkills to analyze? Actually, I think that's a funny if not particularly compelling reason to be lynching gary: "Is it really possible for ALL three counterwagons to have been town?" isn't it just chaos+verti who are pushing for gary to be removed? i feel like the counter wagon theory falls flat when its the same people trying to start up a wagon (or atleast, results in a hard tr on chaos+verti from cyan?) day1: Gary the Savage (3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Ddlcfan69 day2: Gary the Savage(3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Kliff |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 14, 2021 15:15:41 GMT
so hi there just a quick post please someone accumulate all the reasons why gary is scumread because i still fail to understand the wagon and the thought progression behind it. Why is this post giving me scum pings |
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. im okay with vertigo or cyan lynch but vertigo quite a bit more. i will now wait for someone to talk so i can stop flooding the thread 
