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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 20, 2021 3:15:05 GMT
literally everything about chaos's d4 and d5 makes sense in a chaos/gary team Honestly , at this point I would rather a fortcolors vote than Gary. He might be pushing the counterwagon every time to protect scum!Gary as I am thinking or he might doing it to keep Gary vs Me and the dwindling group of people against Gary fight going on the questionable shift to fort after his beliefs on gary got validated by weird cfds like 3 times YES YOU IDIOT , I HAD TO SHIFT AFTER DUM DUMS LIKE YOU KEPT DELAYING THE WAGON EVERY FUCKING TIME. THE ONLY REASON WE WERE ABLE TO LYNCH GARY YESTERDAY WAS BC FORT WAS MORE OR LESS AFK
USE YOUR FRICKING BRAIN , HOW THE FUUUCK WOULD THERE BE THREE WEIRD CFDs IF I AS HIS PARTNER WAS HARDPUSHING HIM EVERY DAMN TIME
THE QUESTIONABLE THING HERE IS YOUR LACK OF BRAIN CELLS
I think sky is town. To keep the fight of Gary vs Others going on , as I said before. Keeping a TvT fight in full swing is beneficial to scum and it is not a bad strategy for scum!quojova or scum!Fortcolors to keep switching the lynch to counterwagons so that we can continue to fight over Gary How tf is he not a super compelling partner from that? This is a very classic mafia move wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Chainsaw_Defense&redirect=no I too doubt the team of articu + gary + vert Simply because I doubt this team survived this long , and articu + vert def did not have the necessary influence to shift people off Gary 3 frickin times. **Vote fortcolors** I think this is the ideal vote for today the unexplained but confident tr on sky and that he literally never, ever even for a moment considered sky to be a plausible gary partner OH YEAH , FUCK ME FOR STICKING TO MY TOWNREADS. FUCK ME FOR HAVING TONE BASED READS. WHAT A TERRIBLE WAY TO PLAY MAFIA
THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE READS ACCORDING TO THE GREAT LORD QUOJOVA :
* VOTE GARY WITH ME ON D4 - TOWN
* DONT VOTE GARY WITH ME ON D4 - SCUMEVERY OTHER KIND OF READ CAN GO INTO THE TRASH Cmon man , Sky aint scum There is a reason he made it to everyone's townlists initially (including you , I believe). This is making me sus of you No , they are not . Its much more likely to be fort than sky . Believe pls , I have been thinking of Gary partners since d2 If you are talking about his voting patterns , sky was sheeping you most of the time His reason for Gary being town is he 'feels it in his guts' . If scum sky wanted to defend scum Gary , he would have come up with a stronger reason than that Besides his feelings on Vert/Kliff sounds genuine. These are not the only ones , There are several times in the game when I looked at sky posts and thought they were genuine and town He just has terrible guts this entire wack sequence of posts defending sky for reasons that seem super fabricated STOP THINKING UP RANDOM BULLSHIT TO FIT YOUR STUPID COGNITIVE BIAS. YOU CANT JUST DISMISS A BUNCH OF REASONS BY ADDING THE WORD FABRICATED AT THE END OF THEM Wait whatt? You know what you can fucking die to Quo's tunnel. Your terrible reads might as well cost as the game this momentary aggression towards sky after people started to catch on to a possible chaos/sky scumteam FIRST OFF 'PEOPLE' IS YOU.
SECONDLY , I WAS MAD AT SKY COZ YOUR LACK OF BRAIN CELLS IS NOW RUBBING ON ON HIMHow so? Just cause they voted with you? You accuse my tone based reads of being hasty. Your reads of vote with me - town , not vote with me - scum is even more simplistic And why even are kliff and fort incompatible this unreasonable expansion of the poe without good reason everything fits together if chaos is partnered with sky the question that clearly remains if it chaos actually bussed gary from d1 I think it is plausible WHAT ARE YOU EVEN SAYING HERE?
THE REASON WE WERE ABLE TO FINALLY GET A VOTE ON GARY WAS BC HIS TEAMMATES ARENT THAT INVESTED IN THE GAME ANYMORE. THE LEADING WAGON AT THE EOD YESTERDAY HAD 3 PEOPLE IN THEM. IT WOULD BE HIGHLY OPTIMAL FOR SCUM TO NOT LET GARY FLIP.
FORT IS THE REASON IT WAS HARD TO FLIP GARY SO FAR , LACK OF FORT IS THE REASON IT WAS EASY YESTERDAY
WE GO FORT -> KLIFF -> ARTICO AND WE WIN
ONLY WAY WE LOSE IF YOU KEEP OVERTHINKING SHIT THE WAY YOU DO |
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Post by wallape on Jun 20, 2021 3:24:17 GMT
Mom im scared
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 3:32:51 GMT
i think this is kinda unwarranted tbh
can we chill out
it does give me slight vibes of how I played my first towngame though
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 4:13:11 GMT
literally everything about chaos's d4 and d5 makes sense in a chaos/gary team the questionable shift to fort after his beliefs on gary got validated by weird cfds like 3 times YES YOU IDIOT , I HAD TO SHIFT AFTER DUM DUMS LIKE YOU KEPT DELAYING THE WAGON EVERY FUCKING TIME. THE ONLY REASON WE WERE ABLE TO LYNCH GARY YESTERDAY WAS BC FORT WAS MORE OR LESS AFKUSE YOUR FRICKING BRAIN , HOW THE FUUUCK WOULD THERE BE THREE WEIRD CFDs IF I AS HIS PARTNER WAS HARDPUSHING HIM EVERY DAMN TIMETHE QUESTIONABLE THING HERE IS YOUR LACK OF BRAIN CELLSmy point is not that the weird cfds were necessarily lead by scum (I mean I lead like all of them) but that in your situation if you are town that should be incredibly damning evidence that gary is just scum and I found it odd that you chose to get on another wagon at that point. Overall this is one of the lesser things on this list but it certainly contributing to my feelings of difficult-to-explain weirdness in your slot that is resolved perfectly by the sky-you scumpair. the unexplained but confident tr on sky and that he literally never, ever even for a moment considered sky to be a plausible gary partner OH YEAH , FUCK ME FOR STICKING TO MY TOWNREADS. FUCK ME FOR HAVING TONE BASED READS. WHAT A TERRIBLE WAY TO PLAY MAFIA
THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE READS ACCORDING TO THE GREAT LORD QUOJOVA :
* VOTE GARY WITH ME ON D4 - TOWN
* DONT VOTE GARY WITH ME ON D4 - SCUMEVERY OTHER KIND OF READ CAN GO INTO THE TRASHThis is either a bad faith argument or blinded by anger. That I find the "only acceptable reads" to just be those that I also hold is demonstrably false. I have no inherent issue with you tonereading sky; sometimes I even hold tonereads that give me some direction in how to read a player. As I have made clear my issue is with the magnitude and reliance on the townread followed by your inability to reasonably back it up with anything that might convince a player who does not already agree with you. This behavior happens to be perfectly explained by the sky-you scumpair.
Players on a 3-man wagon that hanged a scum in a salvageable position are probably not scum. Don't overcomplicate this. Like everything else in this game this is no 100% guarantee but the bar for the burden of proof is high and it will remain that way.
Let me make this crystal clear:
I do not think you are a particularly "terrible" mafia player for holding a toneread.
I think it makes you scum.this entire wack sequence of posts defending sky for reasons that seem super fabricated STOP THINKING UP RANDOM BULLSHIT TO FIT YOUR STUPID COGNITIVE BIAS. YOU CANT JUST DISMISS A BUNCH OF REASONS BY ADDING THE WORD FABRICATED AT THE END OF THEM
I'll admit I'm being intentionally curt here but it's mostly because this is just echoing what I have been saying the entire day without a satisfactory attempt at explanation from you
I don't see how you have been planning to convince anyone that sky is scum with "his posts strike me as town are genuine", 'believe pls I've thought about this longer', 'cmon we townread him before', etc
these attempts to clear the sky slot have rung incredibly hollow because they have no backbone despite your overwhelming confidence in it and I am currently not able to see that your read in him is anything more than a read you want to hold because you are partneredthis momentary aggression towards sky after people started to catch on to a possible chaos/sky scumteam FIRST OFF 'PEOPLE' IS YOU.
SECONDLY , I WAS MAD AT SKY COZ YOUR LACK OF BRAIN CELLS IS NOW RUBBING ON ON HIM
Sure, "people" is me. It doesn't meaningfully change the point.
You might be noticing a trend atp but I think that the behavior is strange given just how often people just don't mindmeld with other people but this aggression happens to be perfectly explained by a sky-you scumteam.
I think the line is also constructed in a way that is makes it look like it is doing more for distancing than it actually is, because the literal threat there is his death but you never actually mean that. That's a more minor idea though that I just have in the back of my mind for rn.this unreasonable expansion of the poe without good reason everything fits together if chaos is partnered with sky the question that clearly remains if it chaos actually bussed gary from d1 I think it is plausible WHAT ARE YOU EVEN SAYING HERE????I'm saying that you repeatedly insist on articu being solidly in the poe despite very limited attempts to actually tackle why he might have bussed or other reasons that solidly point to him being scum.
That is scummy behavior.
And then I'm mentally considering how much stock I can put into your gary push d1/d2/d3
this is something I am still trying to weigh ftr
Look.
This is all I want you to do and have wanted you to do. I want you to keep making sound arguments that can convince me of what you believe.
And let's have a good time while we are at it, yea? |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 4:20:53 GMT
appending to this from the above post for added clarity:
I think it makes you scum. (due to the current circumstances, given the current context, etc because obviously it is not solely the fact that chaos holds a toneread that makes me think he is a likely scum here)
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 4:34:49 GMT
chaos's post has not really convinced me of him being town here despite the expressive show of emotion because his agenda as scum here is almost certainly to bleed town as much as humanly possible and this is one very feasible way he might go about this
I am probably going to make a post about my thoughts on EoD4 things though because that is an angle that chaos brings up that I have not devoted enough attention to
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Post by kliff on Jun 20, 2021 4:35:44 GMT
Been Tired All day
So just Gonna
Vote FortColors
and Dip
I should be more active after I wake up
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 4:41:38 GMT
tbh there are certain things that point to a kliff-chaos scumteam more than a sky-chaos scumteam
I don't mean this recent kliff post which is pretty meaningless but it did remind me of it
my confidence in chaos-sky has decreased slightly
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 4:44:46 GMT
specifically like
the gameplan where chaos decides to hard bus his partner and sky decides to hard defend his partner is kinda weird although I don't think it is impossible
whereas a kliff-chaos scumteam would have the unified idea of like "we bus gary hard for massive cred and then now that we have done it for a while we can get off that wagon"
after i walked though this though I still feel chaos-sky is more compelling for now
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 4:52:57 GMT
tbh upon further review I actually think the "lack of fort" narrative is pretty overblown
he was kicking around only 3 hours before EoD sifting through isos manually and compiling evidence
if you have the motivation to do that you also have the motivation to coordinate a vote with your partner
kliff was also around at this same time btw so this is reinforcing fort-kliff not partered to me
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 20, 2021 5:11:54 GMT
tbh upon further review I actually think the "lack of fort" narrative is pretty overblown he was kicking around only 3 hours before EoD sifting through isos manually and compiling evidence if you have the motivation to do that you also have the motivation to coordinate a vote with your partner kliff was also around at this same time btw so this is reinforcing fort-kliff not partered to me who would they have shifted to? |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 5:15:32 GMT
tbh upon further review I actually think the "lack of fort" narrative is pretty overblown he was kicking around only 3 hours before EoD sifting through isos manually and compiling evidence if you have the motivation to do that you also have the motivation to coordinate a vote with your partner kliff was also around at this same time btw so this is reinforcing fort-kliff not partered to me who would they have shifted to? you mean the hypothetical fort-kliff scumteam? vert |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 5:24:52 GMT
I'll probably be gone from the thread now until tomorrow morning
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 20, 2021 5:28:29 GMT
>> my point is not that the weird cfds were necessarily lead by scum (I mean I lead like all of them) but that in your situation if you are town that should be incredibly damning evidence that gary is just scum and I found it odd that you chose to get on another wagon at that point. Overall this is one of the lesser things on this list but it certainly contributing to my feelings of difficult-to-explain weirdness in your slot that is resolved perfectly by the sky-you scumpair. quojovaUgh , I will try to explain my POV one last time. After voting Gary for 3 days straight , and noticing that the wagon gets derailed every damn time , I realized that Gary's partners were very involved in rescuing him and I would have no chance in getting him lynched as long as said partners are alive. And also because SOME PEOPLE were very adamant on Gary being town due to weird ass reasons like "iF gArY iS sCuM , wHeRe pArTnEr". Now the top contenders for these partners were you and Fort because you were the ones with the highest influence on the CWs. I realized it must be Fort bc I had a TONEREAD on you , which is why I keep fucking saying , If you want me to disregard tonereads , I would much rather vote you over sky Now , Fortunately for town and Unfortunately for me (Since this is what put all those dumb ideas into your head) , Fort has been way less invested in this game now than he was , meaning he couldnt influence the cw as well as he used to and the Gary lynch went through despite me not even being on him. No , I am not talking about simply co-ordinating a vote as scum. Fort was ACTIVELY PUSHING the cw every time. He was a major reason for the Peng lynch as well as the Cyan lynch. Yes , you were a major reason for these lynches too , but while Fort was scum , you were just ... you. |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 20, 2021 5:39:30 GMT
yea im not trying to overcomplicate things becausw i dont see why any of the eod4 people had a reason to bus gary if they were partners. lynch fort my lynch order stays the same as last time
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 5:42:59 GMT
>> my point is not that the weird cfds were necessarily lead by scum (I mean I lead like all of them) but that in your situation if you are town that should be incredibly damning evidence that gary is just scum and I found it odd that you chose to get on another wagon at that point. Overall this is one of the lesser things on this list but it certainly contributing to my feelings of difficult-to-explain weirdness in your slot that is resolved perfectly by the sky-you scumpair. quojova Ugh , I will try to explain my POV one last time. After voting Gary for 3 days straight , and noticing that the wagon gets derailed every damn time , I realized that Gary's partners were very involved in rescuing him and I would have no chance in getting him lynched as long as said partners are alive. And also because SOME PEOPLE were very adamant on Gary being town due to weird ass reasons like "iF gArY iS sCuM , wHeRe pArTnEr". Now the top contenders for these partners were you and Fort because you were the ones with the highest influence on the CWs. I realized it must be Fort bc I had a TONEREAD on you , which is why I keep fucking saying , If you want me to disregard tonereads , I would much rather vote you over sky Now , Fortunately for town and Unfortunately for me (Since this is what put all those dumb ideas into your head) , Fort has been way less invested in this game now than he was , meaning he couldnt influence the cw as well as he used to and the Gary lynch went through despite me not even being on him. No , I am not talking about simply co-ordinating a vote as scum. Fort was ACTIVELY PUSHING the cw every time. He was a major reason for the Peng lynch as well as the Cyan lynch. Yes , you were a major reason for these lynches too , but while Fort was scum , you were just ... you. my point is that I think it is quite unnatural to take this roundabout approach to go after one of the possible teammates after you are almost certain the person you have been pushing for the last 2-3 days is scum. The thing I think almost any town does there when confronted with such a read is to call out the mostly likely partners and then relentlessly push for the player you are essentially certain is scum due to the weird shifts while being newly armed with more shifts as evidence I generally understand your POV and it is at least plausible but there is always going to be this lingering weirdness for me that is again perfectly explained by the sky-you scumteam I'm guessing that you are going through these points in order? fair warning that I'm actually going to leave the thread at any moment now to sleep |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 5:44:36 GMT
yea im not trying to overcomplicate things becausw i dont see why any of the eod4 people had a reason to bus gary if they were partners. lynch fort my lynch order stays the same as last time what is your hang order |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 5:50:27 GMT
I withheld talking about this for a while because I thought it was -ev to mention it but atp I think it might be +ev due to the security this will hopefully provide
im talking about pr claims
the situation I really want to avoid is a player we are pretty sure is scum claiming pr like 2 minutes before dl and deflecting the nk onto a town because we didn't have adequate time or activity for a cc to appear
we combat this by not doing wild eod shifts and expecting the player who is clearly shaping up to be the hang to claim a good amount of time before EoD
I thought this was significant to bring up
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 5:52:28 GMT
I withheld talking about this for a while because I thought it was -ev to mention it but atp I think it might be +ev due to the security this will hopefully provide im talking about pr claims the situation I really want to avoid is a player we are pretty sure is scum claiming pr like 2 minutes before dl and deflecting the nk onto a town because we didn't have adequate time or activity for a cc to appear we combat this by not doing wild eod shifts and expecting the player who is clearly shaping up to be the hang to claim a good amount of time before EoD I thought this was significant to bring up deflecting the hang* |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 20, 2021 5:53:08 GMT
fort kliff chaos
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 20, 2021 5:56:06 GMT
I withheld talking about this for a while because I thought it was -ev to mention it but atp I think it might be +ev due to the security this will hopefully provide im talking about pr claims the situation I really want to avoid is a player we are pretty sure is scum claiming pr like 2 minutes before dl and deflecting the nk onto a town because we didn't have adequate time or activity for a cc to appear we combat this by not doing wild eod shifts and expecting the player who is clearly shaping up to be the hang to claim a good amount of time before EoD I thought this was significant to bring up we should wait for arti to lynch then so we have a full idea of who might die today |
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Post by wallape on Jun 20, 2021 5:57:36 GMT
if fort does survivalism then arti has deciding lynch on kill
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 5:58:16 GMT
if im looking at this right I think kliff's vote is also very subject to change
at least if he's here tomorrow im probably going to try to change his mind if the plur isn't already shifted
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Post by wallape on Jun 20, 2021 6:00:21 GMT
is the only thing going for fort being scum his vote pattern?
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2021 6:01:23 GMT
if arti decides to side with literally 3/4 of the poe instead of the two bros he hanged our only scumflip with i will be very sad
this is not meant to be an attempt to coerce arti's vote (even if it kinda feels like it after writing it), just a funny observation I had
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