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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 8:46:56 GMT
SK is very motivated to vote out mafia, considering that OM pushing penguin would not be inconsistent with his slot (from the start of D3), penguin was the only other big wagon that day, AND SK has OSBP so he is not afraid of being NKd after (if that was the concern), the only reason I would see for OM not to push penguin here is like a cult read but even then, it's still optimal for OM to push it.
I am more inclined to believe that OM killed Litt or Me N2 than the fact that OM would push back against a confirmed scum in his POV, and again this is only a narrative possibility that hinges on proving first that Alex is town.
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 9:22:05 GMT
An alive sk could have targeted a maf!peng who was protected bc Alex was trolling A. In this narrative OM would still be confirmed scum B. This is reaching for an alternate conclusion to the OM killed Me or Litt N2 narrative (it was most likely me if we are being real which would confirm penguino )
C. This narrative does not account for D3 because D3 is incredibly inconsistent with this narrative
D. This is trying to avoid solving our Docs by presenting it as a solution to us making sense of N2 which also "fits in with these docs claim" when in reality this narrative hinges on the fact that you first prove why Peng is mafia over Alex
E. This might have been just a joke or something but if you truly believed in this you would have also shifted to OM since he would still be confirmed scum in this narrative, instead it reads as if you are trying to case penguin so desperately and that you are trying to get votes off OM considering that you don't vote OM yourself
F. You are absolutely tunneling Penguin right now
G. You are willfully ignoring the fact that Alex also did not doc the clear, (granted he didn't know ddlc was clear N2). But Alex had also known 2 clears N3, are we expected to believe he docced a doc that was receiving votes, and may have been a fake claim, over 2 clears, and all the while did not check the rolelist once?
H. Yes you did move discussion to a better place but you also are still deflecting from the last convo to post this nonsense
I. You still think Mafia OS PGO and SK cross killed night 1, and survivor is still alive but just has not claimed, and did not claim day 1 despite it being optimal for them, and that between Me/Sky/OM/Quo, all of us who are experienced forum players someone is survivor and not Vertigo, who is used to GI chat mafia survivor where emphasis on survivor is non existent and is usually treated like a VT in game, and is a forum newbie, and is someone who did not respond to thread after you called for survivor to claim, and is someone that is known for being among many people to not read the thread or Articoo who is also a forum newbie who is used to GI chat mafia survivor OVER the fact that OM, a very scummy slot, is just SK that killed me or litt N2 |
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 9:23:14 GMT
I have no idea why that's italicized
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 9:29:37 GMT
An alive sk could have targeted a maf!peng who was protected bc Alex was trolling A. In this narrative OM would still be confirmed scum B. This is reaching for an alternate conclusion to the OM killed Me or Litt N2 narrative (it was most likely me if we are being real which would confirm penguino ) C. This narrative does not account for D3 because D3 is incredibly inconsistent with this narrative D. This is trying to avoid solving our Docs by presenting it as a solution to us making sense of N2 which also "fits in with these docs claim" when in reality this narrative hinges on the fact that you first prove why Peng is mafia over Alex E. This might have been just a joke or something but if you truly believed in this you would have also shifted to OM since he would still be confirmed scum in this narrative, instead it reads as if you are trying to case penguin so desperately and that you are trying to get votes off OM considering that you don't vote OM yourself F. You are absolutely tunneling Penguin right now G. You are willfully ignoring the fact that Alex also did not doc the clear, (granted he didn't know ddlc was clear N2). But Alex had also known 2 clears N3, are we expected to believe he docced a doc that was receiving votes, and may have been a fake claim, over 2 clears, and all the while did not check the rolelist once? H. Yes you did move discussion to a better place but you also are still deflecting from the last convo to post this nonsense I. You still think Articoo Mafia OS PGO and Vertigo SK cross killed night 1 with mighty visiting PGO, or Articoo Mafia PGO killed mighty, and survivor is still alive but just has not claimed, and did not claim day 1 despite it being optimal for them, and that between Me/Sky/OM/Quo, all of us who are experienced forum players someone is survivor and not Vertigo, who is used to GI chat mafia survivor where emphasis on survivor is non existent and is usually treated like a VT in game, and is a forum newbie, and is someone who did not respond to thread after you called for survivor to claim, and is someone that is known for being among many people to not read the thread or Articoo who is also a forum newbie who is used to GI chat mafia survivor OVER the fact that OM, a very scummy slot, is just SK that killed me or litt N2 over Penguin, a consistent huge vote / scumread who's doc claim was disputed very hard and still garnered votes, a sentiment that at least one scum faction held Revised last section anyways |
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 9:41:34 GMT
TLDR to think that survivor is alive is dumb and involves a huge fucking stretch, so unless you believe that stretch OM is confirmed SK that could have only killed Me or Litt n2, so I will check between the two to see what's more likely, because if OM more likely killed me then I am pseudo clearing Penguino
Something that is already a strike at the "OM killed Litt" narrative is that OM and Litt interacted a lot near EoD, which means OM would know where Litt's head was at !_!
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 9:49:36 GMT
If it is more likely that OM killed litt try to *maybe* do some backward solve involving potential pairs/teams that NK mighty N1 and then me or Litt N2? But that is also a bit of a stretch since that is not only going based on no actual teams but going off me or Litt it just becomes way too vague.
Either way Mafia's potential NK shouldn't matter in solving this
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 9:59:35 GMT
Minor notes: Kaif and schiavetto are town I miss ddlc Soiderz is stretching himself wrt to getting a lot of pushes and I don't feel like he is consistently able to get the proper stuff required to flesh out his reads - I legitimately think it's Town or Solo Spiderz atp which is supported by his thoughts wrt omcean/ quo slots Nvm I take back spiderz praise He is better than this The key difference between other Gary votes and spider's Gary vote is that spiderz had many interesting options on his platter that could've been used to push gamestate forward that he set up himself and still said orange is actually red while himself being yellowuhuh, that's so interesting because i specifically also wanted to push gary because I felt like there was an excess amount of attention on VP's bad posts and penguin's being not here and more discussion has come over the slot now. This whole logic is super questionable because I tried to explain my thought on Penguin and VP which were my other SR's and why I chose Gary over them so what interesting options are you speaking of? I feel like you said words to say words here because you of all people should know that how other people perceive me don't actually affect my reads. "Interesting Options" is a stretch esp considering this gamestate has been dry and there has been nothing that stuck out of the norm for me and that has been consistently bothering me and I feel like i've been consistently presenting this in my posts which makes this even more dumb. This is a dumb post OM btw in advanced i’m fine with a town core, but not if DDLC is in it. DDLC is notorious for being scum hidden in a town core. (Stop Gassing Him!!! He Did This In Literally One Game!!! Only reason I'd think you would frame it like this is if you were trying to appeal to DDLC's ego, IDT Anyone even mentioned ddlc in a towncore thus far !_! Also can you clarify your actual read on ddlc In This Game without regards for his previous One Hit Wonder)aside from that OM is still scum, not mafia but scum. Probably like Cult rod who was lied to and told they were tourist. (Super interested in this take tell me if i missed where you went more in depth)Schia just read his role PM 5 minutes ago, and just figured out they were survivor and now is disappointed that they’ve been trying when they could’ve just been posting disappointed Rihanna GIFs (This is just a shit post)VP read their role as SK but is still in denial. Please send them your regards (2 Solo scum reads and no alignment reads?)Erry saw their role PM as mafia and is so tired of being mafia they decided by day 3 to just leak all their partners
Gary, who came back today to see erry was going to do so is very disappointed because that would out them as well
Micro is mafia and is just tired
(The Gary post is not english but it doesn't matter since it's shit posting anyways, PTSD Shit posts yes, but it's annoying when you look like read list but are in actuality just trying too hard to be Schia)Mighty cannon actually didn’t know he was playing mafia, and instead thought he was in a fun game of EIMM. Unfortunately for Mighty Cannon he is also whatever the most important town PR is so that sucks for usSpiderz is aware he is town and is doing his best *clap clap clap*Litteleven is town and he knows he is town.(Ye like I don't need to really elaborate that none of your reads are actually explained in this post but I'm defo gonna look through all your posts)Quick Side Note: Hey @om @ptsd You guys are Not Schia and the shitposting is getting to a point where it's actually annoying to sift through because saying "Litt is town and Knows He Is Town" is something schia would say when It Would Actually Be Applicable and you would be able to just get it but I literally do not know what you are getting at here. I tagged OM because he is guilty of it too You guys aren't Schia you guys should not try so hard to be schia as loveable as schia is sarcasm isn't for everyone I think you should read my previous games more often and question: is OM shitposting to be like Schia? Or is OM Known For This Don't know, Don't care Curious if you actually care who gets voted in between Gary/Peng/Erry/Vet yo what the fuck does this mean this post is bad faith kaif / schia / ddlc is towncore spiderz is not Spiderz is 50% dumber and 100% more aggressive in that game compared to now he was town in that game tho going to bed now, am halfway through bfn It was posted later Reading is important babe put on ur glasses Minor notes: Kaif and schiavetto are town I miss ddlc Soiderz is stretching himself wrt to getting a lot of pushes and I don't feel like he is consistently able to get the proper stuff required to flesh out his reads - I legitimately think it's Town or Solo Spiderz atp which is supported by his thoughts wrt omcean/ quo slots As scum spiderz does not stay null there and is like "U R THE ENEMY" and tries 2 nail them to a chalkboard Nvm I take back spiderz praise He is better than this The key difference between other Gary votes and spider's Gary vote is that spiderz had many interesting options on his platter that could've been used to push gamestate forward that he set up himself and still said orange is actually red while himself being yellow Really wishing that OM could just collect his thoughts and just say what he wants to say in one post instead of popping in with these non committal shades. Nvm I take back spiderz praise He is better than this The key difference between other Gary votes and spider's Gary vote is that spiderz had many interesting options on his platter that could've been used to push gamestate forward that he set up himself and still said orange is actually red while himself being yellow I lied. Really Feels Like OM initially was going to push me because I hopped On Gary But Then Came Up With This Nonsense Once He Saw Litt And Theaph Hop On Too VOTE GARY THE SAVAGEthis into peng nails 1-2 scum Maybe not completely accurate narrative but he didn't expand on gary at all after this so IDK! Regardless OM's iso is actually pretty awful he has not said a lot that is game relevant and when he is he is just saying what has already been said by everyone else just with a lot more sarcasm their only unique take is their take on me I AM HERE I WILL PLAY IN 2 HOURS LOVE YOU LOTS ronman Although most of my stuff expressed issues / shade were in day one, I also only became Uni-TR'd D2. It's looking extremely fucking likely that OM was hoping docs would go on DDLC and NK'd Me, the Uni-TR that actively thought OM's posts were really scummy, as opposed to schia who TR'd him. I had not mentioned them for a day, so people would most likely look at the people I focused day 2, not day 1. |
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 10:02:48 GMT
[spoiler uhuh, that's so interesting because i specifically also wanted to push gary because I felt like there was an excess amount of attention on VP's bad posts and penguin's being not here and more discussion has come over the slot now. This whole logic is super questionable because I tried to explain my thought on Penguin and VP which were my other SR's and why I chose Gary over them so what interesting options are you speaking of? I feel like you said words to say words here because you of all people should know that how other people perceive me don't actually affect my reads. "Interesting Options" is a stretch esp considering this gamestate has been dry and there has been nothing that stuck out of the norm for me and that has been consistently bothering me and I feel like i've been consistently presenting this in my posts which makes this even more dumb. This is a dumb post OM Quick Side Note: Hey @om @ptsd You guys are Not Schia and the shitposting is getting to a point where it's actually annoying to sift through because saying "Litt is town and Knows He Is Town" is something schia would say when It Would Actually Be Applicable and you would be able to just get it but I literally do not know what you are getting at here. I tagged OM because he is guilty of it too You guys aren't Schia you guys should not try so hard to be schia as loveable as schia is sarcasm isn't for everyone Don't know, Don't care Curious if you actually care who gets voted in between Gary/Peng/Erry/Vet Really wishing that OM could just collect his thoughts and just say what he wants to say in one post instead of popping in with these non committal shades. I lied. Really Feels Like OM initially was going to push me because I hopped On Gary But Then Came Up With This Nonsense Once He Saw Litt And Theaph Hop On Too Maybe not completely accurate narrative but he didn't expand on gary at all after this so IDK! Regardless OM's iso is actually pretty awful he has not said a lot that is game relevant and when he is he is just saying what has already been said by everyone else just with a lot more sarcasm their only unique take is their take on me [/spoiler] Although most of my stuff expressed issues / shade were in day one, I also only became Uni-TR'd D2. It's looking extremely fucking likely that OM was hoping docs would go on DDLC and NK'd Me, the Uni-TR that actively thought OM's posts were really scummy, as opposed to schia who TR'd him. I had not mentioned them for a day, so people would most likely look at the people I focused day 2, not day 1.[/quote] Important to mention that this is literally all my stuff/interactions on OM, not just the ones where I scum read him, I am not cherrypicking you can iso for yourself. |
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 10:03:07 GMT
Ugh
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 10:03:57 GMT
Whatever, all I said was that's all my stuff/interactions with OM, I'm not cherrypicking you can check for yourself
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 10:22:37 GMT
gdi i thought tbz was in this game Just a playful post litt tier
14) litteleven (37)
Town to me:
9) Kaif (54)
18) Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ (163 jfc)
Moderately town to me:
3) OM~! (42)
15) spiderz (13)
4) ddlcfan69 (15)
Null through reads:
8) erry (16)
13) quojova (24)
11) articunight (9)
5) ❓ (17)
16) Gary The Savage (11)
Null through activity:
17) Alexander489 (2)
2) Vertigo (6)
6) passthesaltdude (6)
Scummy but not irredeemable:
1) micromorphic (16)
7) Veteran Padgett (41)
12) PenguinD (10)
scum:
mighty cannon tier:
10) mightycannon (14)
is where i'm at atm i made postcounts since i was bored yeah i think micro and verti would be my immediate focus but i missed both of them posting while i was doing other work and like never got a chance to hear anything from them i think pass is a funny slot too that i would hopefully like to solve i'm not sure at all about quo. I haven't really gotten an impression on him and i don't want to meta people for the amount of time they spend in the thread; though I don't see compelling content from quo that really speaks to me like i'm used to seeing from previous games. The fact they're at null is only disturbing because of their rep as a strong town player but putting that aside i don't see like anything that really stuck out to me about quo to make a compelling read on them OM would be higher town if I didn't have internal doubt; he is spitting a lot of sense into the thread and like his pursuit of slots seems sensible in my head. I'll probably do a reread because my mind wants me to check how confrontational they are and how likely they are to be maybe 3p here but i'm genuinely not worried that the slot is not helping town and is pushing anything under the surfacefacing a bit of out of the thread syndrome my reads have changed a bit from d1 apart from micro being a light non focus slot I'm going to end today at derz town despite my misgivings early on; never really pushed him for it but feel like his slot repaired itself
more sceptical about OM but that's down the line?
ddlc's claim holds up in my head, anyway; there's no incentive to fake it and you'd have to like gamble based off mighty being a person who vigged articoo; plus it gets you shot up faster kaif remains up for me at this point; them being angry at schia over the not being able to pressure peng thing quite recently is just another cementer for me today; carrying on ydays sentiment quo is fine? scorr is less fine? liked quo's most recent post so basing it off that still think peng is closer to town idk about erry really; I'll snapread them here and see if i have to shift voting vp because the slot is absolutely flailing and has been for a v long time thinking about how my towncore is eimmers
OM is an eimmer spiderz schia om alex ptsd forgot alex existed seems misguided town pushed maybe but it's a strwtch and i have not much insight on how strong the wagon is, scum didn't start this in my head actual gn gl Ended on OM in towncore with me and schia Bolded the OM parts of all their previous posts I tripled checked this, this is all there is on OM Also important to note the joking attitude and shitposts between OM and Litt near EoD, implies OM was comfortable around Litt Litt was also, town consensus town leaning but no where near Uni-TR, esp to the extent I was Litt is a terrible god awful kill for OM. OM clearly was not pressured by Litt, OM was pressured and threatened by me though. He has also NK'd me for just pressuring them before (see safehouse) OM clearly killed me, I am 98% confirming Penguin as town bc of this, and that's going to be 99% town once OM flips Not Town. |
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 10:34:47 GMT
Looking at Alex + Theaph + Sky/Quo atm, I don't know if flood's ego is holding him back for being so wrong though because I would like to think scum!thepah would be a lot more self-aware than this, but I can not tell apart his town play and scum play so I am unsure.
There is a possibility where I am missing something and/or some very weird role actions/flips have happened where OM + Flood is a thing and Flood is TMIing his defense by pushing a super obscure narrative so hard to avoid getting scum read for the wrong reasons but that is also just a stretch and I think that is what you would call tinfoil.
Also, this is assuming this isn't a based SK idle, in which case SK is defoooooo Alex who doc claimed for god knows why because that is the only person that would troll this hard. Also assuming this isn't a cursed world where mighty was os vig who softed and only ddlc caught it and is real serial killer who has been idling. I think one would defo consider these two scenarios tinfoils.
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Post by OM~! on Jul 29, 2021 11:09:57 GMT
Generally I would use logic to fight back but I have work in an hr so I'm surv bg
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 11:13:07 GMT
Generally I would use logic to fight back but I have work in an hr so I'm surv bg yeah okay!!!!! Why Didn't You Play Objectively Optimally And Claim Night 1 OM? |
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 11:13:26 GMT
(grats on 2k)
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 11:14:33 GMT
Generally I would use logic to fight back but I have work in an hr so I'm surv bg Targets too |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 29, 2021 11:15:25 GMT
thank u mr. survivor we asked you for days = would have cced to this Didn't want to claim survivor bc I thought having a confirmed alignment would just get me namekilled (see: lich) and I wasn't really under duress til today. |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 29, 2021 11:15:41 GMT
Generally I would use logic to fight back but I have work in an hr so I'm surv bg Targets too I gave targets alr |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 29, 2021 11:16:33 GMT
also your NKA is bullshit bc there are two docs in the game @ that point in time
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 11:18:11 GMT
Been Thinking On How OM Could Have Claimed Earlier Today Too, But Instead Claimed Now, Wonder What The Difference Between Then And Now Was
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Post by Kaif on Jul 29, 2021 11:18:45 GMT
Smelling cap on om
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Post by OM~! on Jul 29, 2021 11:19:06 GMT
Been Thinking On How OM Could Have Claimed Earlier Today Too, But Instead Claimed Now, Wonder What The Difference Between Then And Now Was it's 7:18am |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 29, 2021 11:19:24 GMT
I literally softed it yday bite me |
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Post by spiderz on Jul 29, 2021 11:19:56 GMT
also your NKA is bullshit bc there are two docs in the game @ that point in time Why do you even care if you are not SK |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 29, 2021 11:22:06 GMT
also your NKA is bullshit bc there are two docs in the game @ that point in time Why do you even care if you are not SK Gotta feed my ego !_! |
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