Marvel Mafia![Endgame]

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    That would have been so funny if that made us lose...
    I wonder what would have happened if my roleblocking didn't stop shotgunmerc. So fort would have killed me, then the next day would be rssp1-Fort-shotgunmerc-Pie. Even if town lynched rssp1 or shotgunmerc, then Fort would just get Pie and then town would have won. Same for NLing. Our only hope would be if town for some reason lynched Fort. Was there any chance of that happening, with ODM accusing Fort and then flipping town when lynched?

[Fort Colorcastle]

Far Too Honest Award: Me

I gave away too much info to the mafia, allowing them to effectively counter me. I probably should've withheld the roleblock proof and the strongman sections. Otherwise, I might have withheld the mafia priority section.

[PieLovesEveryone]

I couldn't give that fourth arm to you. Mob nerfed it to all to you or all to me.


And Fort, imo, witholding the priority would have messed us up more

[Fort Colorcastle]

I should've withheld the priority and he roleblock proof

That would've just completely destroyed any plan of yours

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    Well, I mean, we would have used it anyway. It was presumably the last night of the game; why not make use of any latent abilities you have? Shotgunmerc was obviously a doctor. I was going to roleblock him anyway, no point on me trying to roleblock the vigilante when my partner was going to priority kill him anyway. Pie was going to make the kill on Fort, because he was "just a normal vigilante". Mob Boss nerfed Pie's ability down to three uses; so how would it have played out, assuming Fort did not claim strongman and priority?

    Three on Pie, zero on me: PL has priority over doctor, I succeed. Pie overwhelms Fort's +1 priority and Fort is REK. Mafia wins.

    Two on Pie, one on me: PL has priority over doctor, I succeed. Pie still over whelms Fort's +1 priority. Mafia wins.

    One on Pie, two on me: PL has priority over doctor, I succeed. Pie and Fort tie--They both kill eachother. It is now between me, rssp1, and shotgunmerc. Using the cover of my fake claim, I would have said, "Pie was visited by Fort, and Fort was visited by shotgunmerc!" It would be LyLo, so me and shotgunmerc would mandatorily lynch vote one another. Rssp1 would, as I predicted before Fort claimed, be the one to determine the fate of the game. rssp1, would you have believed me if I said that? Who did you target last night with that one last investigative role? Obviously if it was either me or shotgunmerc, you'd see that I was lying, lynch me, and seize the win for the town. Assuming that he did not investigate one of us, I'd say there was a 60% chance he would believe my story, though we did have evidence of a doctor because of early game anomalies. 60% chance town wins. Assuming he did investigate one of us, town guaranteed wins.

    Zero on Pie, three on me: PL has priority over doctor, I succeed. Pie Dies. There are now 3 town, and the one remaining mafia is me. The only way I can win is if I play off my false claim of multi-watcher and say, "Fort was visited by Pie, and Pie was visited by Fort." I would have said this because I knew, from my roles, that mafia can visit mafia and give benefit to them. How would you guys have taken this argument? Would you have believed me, or shotgunmerc saying he actually visited Fort? Regardless of whether or not the town lynched me, shotgunmerc, or NL, Fort had his unclaimed priority and could kill me. Obviously he could claim then. The only way this could have resulted in a win for the mafia would be if town NLed, Fort killed shotgunmerc, and I targeted, between rssp1 and Fort, the one shotgunmerc did not protect. And the town likely would not have NLed if Fort claimed. Town has a 90% chance of a win.

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And that, my compadrés, is what made this game so great.

[PieLovesEveryone]

It wasn't nerrfed down to three arms, I had four, but I could not split them between people. Either all for one or none at all

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It took me half an hour to write that.
Geez.
.-.

[Fort Colorcastle]

Lol that just killed the whole point of citrus's thing, and it's now either 100% or 0% XD

Trust me, I would've pushed for a lynch you, or just kill you next night. Scummy Three and all that.

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Anything else we need to speculate about in this game? Or we good?

[Fort Colorcastle]

I think were good. However, if only I had obeyed my signature ;~;

[Igpay»atinlay]

PurplePineapplePancakes?!?

[Fort Colorcastle]

Not that part lol. The one that says BPP is mafia. I should've killed him n1 and been done with it. BPP was subbed by citrus freak, sooo XD

[rssp1]

(Psst. Igpay was joking.)

[Fort Colorcastle]

I'm stupid rssp1, don't worry about it. After all, I managed to kill more town than scum :/ and 0 mafia!

;_;-;_;

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New theory:
Town must lynch every day, except MyLo, and a vigilante must always no action, unless someone is clearly scummy.
Let's call it the Citrus Doctrine.

[Fort Colorcastle]

Let's call it The Doctrine Fort Needs To Follow

however, sometimes lynching d1 isn't a good idea, especially if it's just gonna be a random lynch. But if there's proof, then lynching is good and just that it's d1 is a bad reason not to lynch.

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Day 1:

Sept 13, 2014 23:34:16 GMT BadPandaPancham said:

I like this because day 1 is always a topic not much people bring up.
One thing could be even if you do start lynching and gather reactions or scum hunt day 1, you could be possibly seen by the rest of the town as scum for wanting a lynch day 1.
Also, when thinking about whether you should or shouldn't lynch, take into account the amount of players and role list (if there is one). Sometimes it's better to look at the statistics and just decide whether lynching should even be considered from there.


Day 1 is an important day that's usually just skipped over because it can go 1 of 3 ways:

1. Scum is lynched. Town has a gigantic head-start and can look over who lynched/didn't lynch the mafia that day and can look back for previous reactions, plus cop can inspect the person (or people) who didn't lynch the scum and see if there are any guilty parties from there, assuming mafia didn't make the better play and lynch his partner (or if it's a role like ww or so).

2. Town is lynched. Giant set-back for the town in terms of people, and will reach mylo/lylo a lot faster just because of one mislynch. Also risks lynching a power role and if they have to claim to save themselves, risks revealing a role like doc. But, cop has a greater % of inspecting scum due to less players.

3. No one is lynched. The game proceeds with no advantages for either side at this point (usually).


Even if you decide to /me nl, I prefer to keep Day 1 going on for a decent amount of time. Why? Because we as humans tend to make a ton of errors. Those errors can be players that slip up and reveal a little too much info. That can help town greatly, or maybe even cripple them (for instance, people who ask who the cop is are, believe it or not, doc a decent percentage of the time). Info gathering even when it's a no-lynch is crucial, especially during the early stages of the game.

Look what just happened in Minecraft mafia. Town has a huge leg up now, unless they have an unlucky vig. Now look what happened when town only lynched the last day in Marvel Mafia. Yeah.
The Citrus Doctrine is the way to go.

[Fort Colorcastle]

The thing is, we had a clear lead. Spieky was clearly suspicious, not even knowing that there was an Overworld.

[Fort Colorcastle]

Goddammit. Why are you referring to town in third person? :/

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    I always refer to town in third person. Actually, it's one of the stupid things about the English language where if you're in a large dissociative group, you refer to them in third person because there is only a weak feeling of group cohesion.
    Example:
    Our Band of Brothers suffers greatly with the loss of our leader.
    That's okay because you innately assume a group like a band of brothers to be associative and strongly bonded. However:
    The committee board is quickly spiraling into chaos, the debate ripping them apart.
    This is where you'd use third person, because the board has lost trust and group cohesion, and now functions as a confused group of individuals than a single entity with a single eye. The town must never be referred to as we or us.

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[incognito]

How is this not locked yet?

[Deleted]

Because we're having intelligent conversation. Igpay, what did you contribute to this game? If you, instead of shotgunmerc, were in the last day, what would you do/say?

[Fort Colorcastle]

I usually refer to town as we or us. If I was on a board that I wanted to be on or was proud of, etc. I would refer to the group as us/we. If I was say, being forced to work on a committee with idiots, I would refer to the group as they, as in I'm not part of a group, just a guy that everyone else wants to do work.

Town is a we-ish thing to me.

I think the discussion is probably done. Unless there's anything big that needs to be "what-if'd"?