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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 28, 2023 0:53:04 GMT
Actually, on ISOing clems rn, I did find this post: CCGeek: you have like nothing in your iso. No reads. One vote. A whole bunch of filler. What do you have against this accusation? Also lurkers exist please. Hmmm.
Now the question is, do we have a substitute? I really want to know the motivation behind Shaun making this post. It does not help his case and brings attention to a scummy thing he has been doing. Even though this message is from Clemens, who has flipped as wolf, it still makes me think I should read shaun's ISO. |
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Sylveon & Rando
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 28, 2023 0:53:48 GMT
I just was trying to get my opinion out.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 1:15:25 GMT
Good morning! Myan kill is wacky. I thought for sure that was Clemens' partner. o7 FTF will read your iso shortly Vote: Dactylgut |
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 28, 2023 2:28:42 GMT
Welcome to ISO Dive: A series of posts where I, Sylveon & Rando, will look through a player's isolated message history to make some reads! This pilot episode is a more obvious pick, having plagued this game with filler from the very start. That's right, CCGeek! First, I will look through his ISO, commenting on each post. Then, I will compile all the evidence to make my final verdict. Enough stalling, however. Let's dive into ISO Dive, Episode 1: CCGeek, the Completely Full Glass. who is termsofservice vote: lindauna hi uwu Opening Line: Here he instantly starts useless namefinding. I will not bother you with anymore details about this. wait is this considered spamposting? He absolutely didn't need to ask this question. All it does is make the spamposting worse. That is what "not looking back" would suggest, isn't it If I'm going anywhere else though it's 100% gonna be a pivot onto you for that atrocious reply. fire reply lol. "Look, I'm agreeing with somebody else! Please vote with me." - Shaun, probably oh look im a treestump now apparently. cool flavour Yet another useless message. Yes, your role changes as you post more. You don't need to post about that. oh shit not the misping aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. i used @ cyan without the space and I'm d y I n g. I would assume you would want to ping cyan here, but eh. Just another useless post. I just realised the ccgeek/ailura cross I believe that it is t/s, will pick up on it later clems do u think ailura is scum This question doesnt help create discussion, it just ends with a yes/no answer and hits a dead end. He doesn't even ask again when clemens doesn't answer. As pointed out by clemens later in d1, this post is purely filler. Aka is also to blame, however. Day 2 opening message. If you're reading this and can decipher this, please let me know what the actual fuck it means. wait wtf doc dead? also what is that myan kill  Scum is not gonna tell you why they killed myan, so you don't need to ask. gn Ailura if they are scum they obviously have to be fire maf What if I hardclaim ice scum, right now  Fr tho, all I have to say is that @ cyan 1. I'm well aware pmeta is not a valid defense, but I think it might be the only defense I can give myself to your accusation. I'm aware I'm not exactly playing this game exactly how I do when I actively try to solve from the start, but I'm just using this as a relaxing game to casually play and actively play on the backfoot, rather than taking this too seriously. But yes, I frankly don't care if I'm scum to you, but I enjoy being inside the game and taking a more side role than actually duking it out front and centre. To make my activity issues clear, classes have started and I'm barely free in the day, except for the few following hours from now. @aka Dactyl has been a nonexistent slot with the only thing in their ISO being a Clems vote, that too pretty early in the game. Considering Mr Townleader over here considers me the prime push for the fire scum slot, do you think Dactyl is the wagon right now? Or was that vote just to get a wagon going? Okay the posts are starting to lean away from filler. This means I need to break down how bad this is. "What if I hardclaim ice mafia?" We vote you out for trolling.  Not like you're gonna do it, anyways. "I'm not scum, it's just pmeta!" And the colour of grass is red. Pmeta is not an excuse to filler. "Idc if you think I'm scum." MAYBE YOU SHOULD? "Dactyl isn't here, vote him." Forum mafia is much slower than on PS. Not everybody is gonna be here at the same time arguing with each other. "Is Dactyl the wagon in your opinion? Or did you just want to start a wagon?" Are you scum? Or is your role not aligned with town? They were also literally the only person to say something about Dactyl and said thing was an SR. Personally I think Dactyl is more likely to be aligned with Clem since Clem had a lot of pushback to everyone who voted them except for Dact and does not have Dact present in their readslist (seen here) Correction: I mention Dactyl's activity in one of my posts too. Also, in hindsight, do you not think that usually a partner would have somehow thrown light on the lack of activity, since it's free towncred? It's what I usually do as scum, and what I'd expect most moderately-experienced scum to pull off. Especially considering how clems threw around readlists frequently, it's slightly odd to me that he wouldn't mention afk partners at all.
"I mention dactyl being inactive too!" This is a bad attempt at coasting. "Yeah scum would totally bus lmao." Nothing to say but  Actually, on ISOing clems rn, I did find this post: CCGeek: you have like nothing in your iso. No reads. One vote. A whole bunch of filler. What do you have against this accusation? Also lurkers exist please. Hmmm.
Now the question is, do we have a substitute? "I was reading through flipped scum's posts and found this one calling me out. Hm." If you think this clears you, I have lost all faith. "Btw do we have a sub?" Who tf do we need a sub for?!?!
This concludes the current episode of ISO Dive. Next episode will cover aka, and how they are slipping under the cracks. Overall, my final verdict for CCGeek is Probably Wolf. See you next time! |
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Sylveon & Rando
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 28, 2023 2:30:28 GMT
Okay I am physically exhausted from that post. Vote: CCGeek.
That read was in no way meant to be a coast, btw.
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Post by frogo on Apr 28, 2023 2:49:35 GMT
Sad to see Clemens go. Maybe they will flip but considering they are our most active player and we have 2 players who have not moved their vote since RVS and 1 who hasn't even voted at all, I would really prefer to keep playing with them and not let this game die. One of those players who hasn't moved their vote is CCGeek. Could be town for not voting on the Clemens or Myan wagons but I have TR'd scum for that too many times before and have started to realize that usually that passivity is more scum!indicative than town!indicative. Running back through, kinda torn on this - I think the train of thought behind that second half is villagery at a glance, has elements of reflection w/ sound conclusion & intent-to-action that track as townie, but the first half is kind of weird. It feels kind of off to lament the Clem wagon on the basis of his activity without also considering the circumstances of that activity (he got noticeably more vocal/finicky after I & others put pressure on his slot, and into phase-end) but there's also this idea that, like... it puts the onus of game activity on the scummy slot without taking time to evaluate if that's Villagery activity or Wolfy activty, and completely sails past the consideration that other players might pick up the slack (which is a perspective idt is consistent with other players' stated opinions on the stale threadstate) like, functionally it feels like a wolf trying to swing momentum away from a partner
I get that but I was struggling to read Clemens definitively since a lot of the 'scummy' things they did were things that they had pointed out as natural behavior for them. I also don't think I would be wrong in saying that a Clemens town flip would be pretty atrocious for us considering there wasn't any other wagon that went to E-1. The part about Clemens' activity being increased after pressure I did not notice but that is also a natural reaction that I would expect any townie to have. I also made the post you quoted 2 hours before the deadline so there was no momentum to be swung. Overall I can definitely see how it could fit into the mold of a Clem partner but the general idea of my end of day pushes was not based on Clemens but rather based on trying to catch some bad reactions. Was it worth it? A little bit. Would I do it again? Definitely >  |
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Post by frogo on Apr 28, 2023 2:55:53 GMT
Why did you think Myan/Clem were partnered? What's so wacky about him dying here I don't wanna get too into it since it's not relevant anymore but I had basically convinced myself Myan was Clems' partner overnight. Myan said Clemens looked fine early on and later on gave a read on Clems that ultimately resulted in nothing. Clems' own push on Myan felt TMI due to the nitty gritty specifics of it so that combined with Clems' hesitancy to vote on Myan made me think they were partnered. |
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Post by frogo on Apr 28, 2023 2:59:38 GMT
Schia you gotta stop with the acronyms I had to look up OTOH and I have no idea what ATVL means D:
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Post by frogo on Apr 28, 2023 3:02:15 GMT
but with the post you pointed out earlier i think it's more likely that akakakp was simping for some inexplicable reason and trying to find that would be severely unproductive I AM NOT A SIMP. |
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Post by ihbst on Apr 28, 2023 3:11:39 GMT
yeah its ok to forget sometimes
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Post by frogo on Apr 28, 2023 3:12:17 GMT
Good morning! Myan kill is wacky. I thought for sure that was Clemens' partner. o7 FTF will read your iso shortly Vote: Dactylgut Hi scorr. Pls have mercy. Okay I am physically exhausted from that post. Vote: CCGeek.That read was in no way meant to be a coast, btw. As much as Sylv's ISO dive feels super manufactured none of it matters because this last line is the scummiest thing I've ever seen. Vote: Sylveon |
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Post by frogo on Apr 28, 2023 3:14:46 GMT
Hi ihbst goodnight everyone
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Post by ihbst on Apr 28, 2023 3:18:29 GMT
ye sylvan is def a bit scummy from lines
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:22:50 GMT
Welcome to ISO Dive: A series of posts where I, Sylveon & Rando, will look through a player's isolated message history to make some reads! This pilot episode is a more obvious pick, having plagued this game with filler from the very start. That's right, CCGeek! First, I will look through his ISO, commenting on each post. Then, I will compile all the evidence to make my final verdict. Enough stalling, however. Let's dive into ISO Dive, Episode 1: CCGeek, the Completely Full Glass. who is termsofservice vote: lindauna hi uwu Opening Line: Here he instantly starts useless namefinding. I will not bother you with anymore details about this. wait is this considered spamposting? He absolutely didn't need to ask this question. All it does is make the spamposting worse. "Look, I'm agreeing with somebody else! Please vote with me." - Shaun, probably oh look im a treestump now apparently. cool flavour Yet another useless message. Yes, your role changes as you post more. You don't need to post about that. oh shit not the misping aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. i used @ cyan without the space and I'm d y I n g. I would assume you would want to ping cyan here, but eh. Just another useless post. clems do u think ailura is scum This question doesnt help create discussion, it just ends with a yes/no answer and hits a dead end. He doesn't even ask again when clemens doesn't answer. As pointed out by clemens later in d1, this post is purely filler. Aka is also to blame, however. Day 2 opening message. If you're reading this and can decipher this, please let me know what the actual fuck it means. wait wtf doc dead? also what is that myan kill Scum is not gonna tell you why they killed myan, so you don't need to ask. gn Ailura What if I hardclaim ice scum, right now Fr tho, all I have to say is that @ cyan 1. I'm well aware pmeta is not a valid defense, but I think it might be the only defense I can give myself to your accusation. I'm aware I'm not exactly playing this game exactly how I do when I actively try to solve from the start, but I'm just using this as a relaxing game to casually play and actively play on the backfoot, rather than taking this too seriously. But yes, I frankly don't care if I'm scum to you, but I enjoy being inside the game and taking a more side role than actually duking it out front and centre. To make my activity issues clear, classes have started and I'm barely free in the day, except for the few following hours from now. @aka Dactyl has been a nonexistent slot with the only thing in their ISO being a Clems vote, that too pretty early in the game. Considering Mr Townleader over here considers me the prime push for the fire scum slot, do you think Dactyl is the wagon right now? Or was that vote just to get a wagon going? Okay the posts are starting to lean away from filler. This means I need to break down how bad this is. "What if I hardclaim ice mafia?" We vote you out for trolling. Not like you're gonna do it, anyways. "I'm not scum, it's just pmeta!" And the colour of grass is red. Pmeta is not an excuse to filler. "Idc if you think I'm scum." MAYBE YOU SHOULD? "Dactyl isn't here, vote him." Forum mafia is much slower than on PS. Not everybody is gonna be here at the same time arguing with each other. "Is Dactyl the wagon in your opinion? Or did you just want to start a wagon?" Are you scum? Or is your role not aligned with town? Correction: I mention Dactyl's activity in one of my posts too. Also, in hindsight, do you not think that usually a partner would have somehow thrown light on the lack of activity, since it's free towncred? It's what I usually do as scum, and what I'd expect most moderately-experienced scum to pull off. Especially considering how clems threw around readlists frequently, it's slightly odd to me that he wouldn't mention afk partners at all.
"I mention dactyl being inactive too!" This is a bad attempt at coasting. "Yeah scum would totally bus lmao." Nothing to say but Actually, on ISOing clems rn, I did find this post: Hmmm.
Now the question is, do we have a substitute? "I was reading through flipped scum's posts and found this one calling me out. Hm." If you think this clears you, I have lost all faith. "Btw do we have a sub?" Who tf do we need a sub for?!?!
This concludes the current episode of ISO Dive. Next episode will cover aka, and how they are slipping under the cracks. Overall, my final verdict for CCGeek is Probably Wolf. See you next time! CCGeek's 1st post is not a bad post; knowing who ppl are is useful knowledge. I think it's worth mentioning that filler =/= scum. CCGeek is cleared as not ice from clemens, and also is almost definitely not partners with a fire!akakakp based on both votes and interactions. If I am understanding from what is implied, that means that you are seeing fire!CCGeek and ice!akakakp. I am not entirely sold on that. I can see CCGeek as chilling town rather than scum trying to fly under the radar. |
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Post by ihbst on Apr 28, 2023 3:23:42 GMT
vote myan idk
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:23:48 GMT
Hi scorr. Pls have mercy. Okay I am physically exhausted from that post. Vote: CCGeek.That read was in no way meant to be a coast, btw. As much as Sylv's ISO dive feels super manufactured none of it matters because this last line is the scummiest thing I've ever seen. Vote: Sylveonoh ok Unvote a kak akp |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:32:02 GMT
in other news, i refuse to believe performing nka on ftf's read wall is going to be productive discussion. for what it's worth the lurker slots they pointed out appear to be here in-game, but if anyone wants to start an ihbst/dactyl wagon they have to conclusively show that we have no better options I feel like you are very biased in saying saying that, because if one were to perform nka on ftf's read wall they may come to the conclusion that you are in the scumpool. vvv
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Post by ihbst on Apr 28, 2023 3:32:47 GMT
ig its because their reads are weird + mean is usually a good vote
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 3:38:19 GMT
in other news, i refuse to believe performing nka on ftf's read wall is going to be productive discussion. for what it's worth the lurker slots they pointed out appear to be here in-game, but if anyone wants to start an ihbst/dactyl wagon they have to conclusively show that we have no better options I feel like you are very biased in saying saying that, because if one were to perform nka on ftf's read wall they may come to the conclusion that you are in the scumpool. vvv
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zesty/dactyl/sand I don't think anyone aside from possibly schia was pr reading ftf, and Schia would've benefitted from Ftf being alive since he was one of the strongest listed trs. If we were to say it was a fearkill, it would leave Cyan, CCG, Myan. Trying to default a vote onto one of the low posters feels like a very mediocre play from town especially since there is momentum from D1 ice vote. i'm not ashamed to admit that yes! asking everyone to disregard this pool would be kinda good for me since ftf was one of two people pushing me d1 what i am saying is that that sort of argument just defaults into WIFOM most of the time and i don't find that productive. i think this applies more strongly to myan than it does to me, but it absolutely does not apply to ccgeek because there were stronger proponents of the wagon (mainly lindauna) + flush was not committed to pushing ccgeek myan is dead so i'm really the only one left, aren't i |
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 3:38:49 GMT
go girl give us nothing :fire: |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:39:46 GMT
Don't like the bolded, i think there are for sure reasons why someone might not want to use his readlist as a point of ingress for reading around the NK, but i think there are also definitely reasons why someone might at least give it some consideration in their solving today & it icks me a bit that you don't even give a justification. Like, otoh, like scorr & i said, it was a very spongy readlist - otoh, it condensed several thoughts that had been floated into thread (for example, my W read on you) while also lending steam to yday's day-end. It's also worth considering who was being townread by Flush, too - or whose mislunch would be made easier by a flush kill. I'm of two minds re: policy lims here, esp. considering DL changes. Think the "no better options" bit would track better for me if both teams were down to one.
right, but we have no grasp on what fire mafia were playing at by killing ftf and until we do it's just not something i think is worth working out if we work surface-level and assume that flush's reads (and the general consensus they represent, sans the read on me) were a threat to scum, that's an immediate path to a WIFOM "but flush could've been killed to frame the scumslots!" argument it just stands out to me that for what it's worth, i think flush's death should be written off as fearkill until we get something that points us in a different direction but for the sake of engagement let me also address your latter avenue of discussion: if you think fire maf wanted to set up a misvote by killing flush, i'd say the most viable pool of misvote targets is between termsofservice and akakakp. anyone higher in the list is just not getting voted either way and anyone lower doesn't need flush to get the push running. i'm just a staunch believer that policy kills are the lazy option; we do them when nothing better stands out. i've probably been conditioned to the frequency of policy-viable players in chat mafia and the relatively common trend of scum catching on and policying them in turn This makes very little sense to me. If we were to go the route of Ftf getting fearkilled that would point to you/myan/ccg. How would ftf death frame tos/akakakp when they were placed under (one) v? I do see what you mean by implying that a misyeet on myan or ccg would not need to be catalyzed by an ftf kill, but I don't think a vote on you would come about so easily. |
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Post by ihbst on Apr 28, 2023 3:41:06 GMT
in this situation scum probably doesn't want to stand out so moderate activity?
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:41:19 GMT
Fence sitting here, but I think cyan/akakakp/ccgeek probably has at least 1 scum.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:44:02 GMT
I feel like you are very biased in saying saying that, because if one were to perform nka on ftf's read wall they may come to the conclusion that you are in the scumpool. vvv
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 3:47:03 GMT
first of all, i'm manually and artificially spoilering this quote to make it easier for the rest of us to digest. Welcome to ISO Dive: A series of posts where I, Sylveon & Rando, will look through a player's isolated message history to make some reads! This pilot episode is a more obvious pick, having plagued this game with filler from the very start. That's right, CCGeek! First, I will look through his ISO, commenting on each post. Then, I will compile all the evidence to make my final verdict. Enough stalling, however. Let's dive into ISO Dive, Episode 1: CCGeek, the Completely Full Glass. who is termsofservice vote: lindauna hi uwu Opening Line: Here he instantly starts useless namefinding. I will not bother you with anymore details about this. wait is this considered spamposting? He absolutely didn't need to ask this question. All it does is make the spamposting worse. "Look, I'm agreeing with somebody else! Please vote with me." - Shaun, probably oh look im a treestump now apparently. cool flavour Yet another useless message. Yes, your role changes as you post more. You don't need to post about that. oh shit not the misping aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. i used @ cyan without the space and I'm d y I n g. I would assume you would want to ping cyan here, but eh. Just another useless post. clems do u think ailura is scum This question doesnt help create discussion, it just ends with a yes/no answer and hits a dead end. He doesn't even ask again when clemens doesn't answer. As pointed out by clemens later in d1, this post is purely filler. Aka is also to blame, however. Day 2 opening message. If you're reading this and can decipher this, please let me know what the actual fuck it means. wait wtf doc dead? also what is that myan kill Scum is not gonna tell you why they killed myan, so you don't need to ask. gn Ailura What if I hardclaim ice scum, right now Fr tho, all I have to say is that @ cyan 1. I'm well aware pmeta is not a valid defense, but I think it might be the only defense I can give myself to your accusation. I'm aware I'm not exactly playing this game exactly how I do when I actively try to solve from the start, but I'm just using this as a relaxing game to casually play and actively play on the backfoot, rather than taking this too seriously. But yes, I frankly don't care if I'm scum to you, but I enjoy being inside the game and taking a more side role than actually duking it out front and centre. To make my activity issues clear, classes have started and I'm barely free in the day, except for the few following hours from now. @aka Dactyl has been a nonexistent slot with the only thing in their ISO being a Clems vote, that too pretty early in the game. Considering Mr Townleader over here considers me the prime push for the fire scum slot, do you think Dactyl is the wagon right now? Or was that vote just to get a wagon going? Okay the posts are starting to lean away from filler. This means I need to break down how bad this is. "What if I hardclaim ice mafia?" We vote you out for trolling. Not like you're gonna do it, anyways. "I'm not scum, it's just pmeta!" And the colour of grass is red. Pmeta is not an excuse to filler. "Idc if you think I'm scum." MAYBE YOU SHOULD? "Dactyl isn't here, vote him." Forum mafia is much slower than on PS. Not everybody is gonna be here at the same time arguing with each other. "Is Dactyl the wagon in your opinion? Or did you just want to start a wagon?" Are you scum? Or is your role not aligned with town? Correction: I mention Dactyl's activity in one of my posts too. Also, in hindsight, do you not think that usually a partner would have somehow thrown light on the lack of activity, since it's free towncred? It's what I usually do as scum, and what I'd expect most moderately-experienced scum to pull off. Especially considering how clems threw around readlists frequently, it's slightly odd to me that he wouldn't mention afk partners at all.
"I mention dactyl being inactive too!" This is a bad attempt at coasting. "Yeah scum would totally bus lmao." Nothing to say but Actually, on ISOing clems rn, I did find this post: Hmmm.
Now the question is, do we have a substitute? "I was reading through flipped scum's posts and found this one calling me out. Hm." If you think this clears you, I have lost all faith. "Btw do we have a sub?" Who tf do we need a sub for?!?!
This concludes the current episode of ISO Dive. Next episode will cover aka, and how they are slipping under the cracks. Overall, my final verdict for CCGeek is Probably Wolf. See you next time! and my thoughts? like i know this isn't IIoA but does anyone else feel like this iso dive is a little... non-committal? it kind of feels like sylv is just reacting individually to lines and talking about how scummy they are. my definition of scumhunting is looking at the posts and trying to find out what the poster is attempting to achieve, and this is not that feel free to call me out if i'm looking at this wrong, but sylveon comes off to me as someone who either thinks they're scumhunting or is faking scumhunting but if we're talking about the post itself: the conclusion these points are leading me to is that ccgeek is playing in bad faith and refusing to engage with the gameand while i'm all gung-ho about getting them killed for that alone, i'm really not sold on how these points suggest ccgeek is outright scum |
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