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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 2:55:49 GMT
Then can you hurry up and shoot Prod, it's 1v6 and absolutely nothing sounds more nauseating than having to sit here and deal with the inevitable slog of a day phase ahead of us
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 2:57:07 GMT
Id like to bring back up that Wob was the one that said the Clem wagon was a scum motivated wagon by 2+ Scum yet he himself was not part of this. Is it possible that this then was a diversion in order to turn our attention more to those who were apart of the clem wagon and away from those who were off of it?
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Post by Gary The Savage on May 28, 2023 2:57:21 GMT
As much as I'd love to make a shot now, I think I'm gonna get some rest and I work 7AM to 1 PM tm so I'll see y'all maybe around 2 PM
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 2:57:54 GMT
Then can you hurry up and shoot Prod, it's 1v6 and absolutely nothing sounds more nauseating than having to sit here and deal with the inevitable slog of a day phase ahead of us damn u rly just want me shot |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 2:58:32 GMT
Id like to bring back up that Wob was the one that said the Clem wagon was a scum motivated wagon by 2+ Scum yet he himself was not part of this. Is it possible that this then was a diversion in order to turn our attention more to those who were apart of the clem wagon and away from those who were off of it? Who specifically is implicated by this |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 2:58:56 GMT
Then can you hurry up and shoot Prod, it's 1v6 and absolutely nothing sounds more nauseating than having to sit here and deal with the inevitable slog of a day phase ahead of us damn u rly just want me shot I want game to end |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 3:00:16 GMT
Id like to bring back up that Wob was the one that said the Clem wagon was a scum motivated wagon by 2+ Scum yet he himself was not part of this. Is it possible that this then was a diversion in order to turn our attention more to those who were apart of the clem wagon and away from those who were off of it? Who specifically is implicated by this i made a post on it in an earlier day so let me go find it about who was on it and who was off of it |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 3:01:02 GMT
I've said it all game; I'm happy to be wrong on things, but I'm not a fan of dragging things out - if you're town, congrats, we keep shit moving. As it stands I think you have a chance of flipping red
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 3:01:12 GMT
Who specifically is implicated by this i made a post on it in an earlier day so let me go find it about who was on it and who was off of it Ty |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 3:03:31 GMT
i do think its possible that the interactions between toni and clems were just bussing, as you pointed out there wouldn't have been much risk for toni as clems was already the biggest target that day anyways. the reason ive said i think the the clems wagon was scum motivated was because of just how quickly it gained traction, i wouldnt be surprised if 2+ scum saw it as an easy target and jumped on. at the same time i wouldnt say i necessarily townread clems - its true that their iso doesnt have a lot of substance and theyve been the most absent out of anyone. but at the same time if you read through their posts it looks a lot more like they just dont know what to say a lot of the time as opposed to actively lurking to avoid attention from town (i mean its really had the opposite effect). I do like this reasoning tbh Running through a list for myself the order after looking through pages of stuff for the Clemshot list was Toni —> Ihbst —> Myan —> Yash —> Me (order of people saying Yes shoot Clem) Out of these Yash’s reasoning was that it would give good info Ihbst didnt really explain much on why Myans reasoning was: between Clem and Schia they SR’d Schias vibes but not their lines so Clem was more reasonable than Schia My reasoning was: esentially because of Clem had said thus far ie, the nature of their posts wasnt reading off as town, and its something i explained i just cant mark posts on mobile >_> Out of this id like to toy with the idea that Toni couldve seen this as an easy push due to their nature of their posts, and had gotten the feel from other players that they were in some form of agreement that so it encouraged him to make this push, and id say on Clems flip with the gun he wouldnt have made as good of a shot as some others ie: a very easily influenced shot by scum. In this it would still say more than just Toni could have easily wagoned too Re found it so on the Clem wagon were (and currently alive) Ihbst, Myan, and myself Off it wouldve been: WOB, Schia, Snaq, Gary |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 3:07:39 GMT
i still feel good about wob/snaq and wob/myan being unpartnered, so if you want to wifom me to death over that we can (or like i said we can shoot me to skip this part)
i don't think either flipped wolf's content lets clem off the hook just yet but i'd still keep them @ the back of POE like yesterday
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 3:08:17 GMT
imagine if this were a standard 48/24 jesus christ
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 3:11:04 GMT
actually looking back i think the wob line on dactyl can still be setting up to bus a deadslot; can be recuperative in the same way that a clem bus would be
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 3:12:27 GMT
myan log def still unpartnered though
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 3:20:58 GMT
I do like this reasoning tbh Running through a list for myself the order after looking through pages of stuff for the Clemshot list was Toni —> Ihbst —> Myan —> Yash —> Me (order of people saying Yes shoot Clem) Out of these Yash’s reasoning was that it would give good info Ihbst didnt really explain much on why Myans reasoning was: between Clem and Schia they SR’d Schias vibes but not their lines so Clem was more reasonable than Schia My reasoning was: esentially because of Clem had said thus far ie, the nature of their posts wasnt reading off as town, and its something i explained i just cant mark posts on mobile >_> Out of this id like to toy with the idea that Toni couldve seen this as an easy push due to their nature of their posts, and had gotten the feel from other players that they were in some form of agreement that so it encouraged him to make this push, and id say on Clems flip with the gun he wouldnt have made as good of a shot as some others ie: a very easily influenced shot by scum. In this it would still say more than just Toni could have easily wagoned too Re found it so on the Clem wagon were (and currently alive) Ihbst, Myan, and myself Off it wouldve been: WOB, Schia, Snaq, Gary Gonna do a little bit of thinking on this. WHY would wob want to suggest the Clem wagon was a scum motivated wagon by 2+ scum. Well lets see 1) Wob was not on it and 2) It would be much easier to push this agenda and a very safe play. What comes from any of this? Well it tries to put the spotlight on anyone that advocated for Clem to be shot,and does drag anyone into the spotlight that wanted this shot and away from anyone that didnt wagon onto it. Wob did mention their dislike of Clems posts earlier but never moved to have them shot, instead they said "if we shot Clem town loses because he WILL shoot another town" Is it possible that this interaction occured: Toni and the rest of the scum planned to have Toni push for Clem meanwhile the other 2 scum stayed away from this shot so as to not have anything fall back on them in the case that it ended up looking like a very scummy action. BOTH Toni and Wob avoided each other pretty much throughout the game. At MINIMUM like i had said in a previous post. Toni never initiated interaction with Wob prior to being shot. On the flip side as well Wob had only interacted with 1 thing Toni had said prior to Toni being shot |
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Post by MyanMario on May 28, 2023 3:21:49 GMT
My only game related post for this day sorry
I’m so tired
Poe of clems -> snaq -> protein probably wins
Sand seemed to get a bit too defensive when gts was considering them for a shot while also being laid back going “I’ll just shoot myan” with a. Surge of activity
Schia probably town
Snaq I have to reread entirely
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 3:24:44 GMT
My only game related post for this day sorry I’m so tired Poe of clems -> snaq -> protein probably wins Sand seemed to get a bit too defensive when gts was considering them for a shot while also being laid back going “I’ll just shoot myan” with a. Surge of activity Schia probably town Snaq I have to reread entirely If this is an order you want to go by, you cannot put Clems being shot first. IF Clems flips town we know he will at best shoot who knows, i think hes unreliable to be put first in a shot list on the case he flips town |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 3:44:36 GMT
Okay, but tell me how are you supposed to further the gamestate I think there's really enough to engage about. But since you already said you this thing about bussing and clemens. Could you present a case where scum!clem wants to bus in popcorn Also a case where town!scum got targeted by toni Explain mechanically why bussing is bad And if you think scum!clem would realise that bussing is bad (/ if he doesn't realise it, if you think he would do it or not) -It is easy to bus if you don't know how it impacts the game, bc giving town info in this theme is especially bad. There is no real way to punish town leaders, so unless you are trying to establish as a town leader (which crespo clearly wasn't) bussing really hurts. I would think if clemens/crespo were aligned then Clemens would also try to "case" crespo back which didn't really happen. Crespo aggressively pushed for Clemens shot, and its def not normal for scum to aggressively push partner so early in game. Clemens/Crespo scum team just doesn't make sense to me I think this rings true a lot rn. Scum bussing late game would be concieveable but i think its at every disadvantage to scum if they tried to bus early game, you want to have as many scum alive as possible at all times especially in this setup. IDT Toni was expecting to be shot when he was (Ill hold Wob was expecting himself definitely not to be shot at the point he was as well). Pushing for a Clem shot was the easiest and safest play for a scum to make given the context of a lot of the PL disliking what they said so far, and wouldnt fall back much on Toni in the event he flipped town. I think trying to get Clem shot at this very early stage in the game was to every disadvantage to the scum, if this shot wasnt pushed i think it would be a very easy bus later in the game to push that shot and make yourself look better in the event Clem!Scum was a thing. |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 3:51:23 GMT
I think the biggest question I would have rn is: Given Wob and Tonis interactions being nearly non-existent. Who would work as the final slot for them? IE: Is this another player that avoided interaction with those 2 slots, and did all 3 scum push separate agendas so as to not get caught up with one another? as a style of "if we avoid interacting with one another it will be hard to tell from our interactions with one another that we are working together.
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Post by ihbst on May 28, 2023 14:12:35 GMT
I think the biggest question I would have rn is: Given Wob and Tonis interactions being nearly non-existent. Who would work as the final slot for them? IE: Is this another player that avoided interaction with those 2 slots, and did all 3 scum push separate agendas so as to not get caught up with one another? as a style of "if we avoid interacting with one another it will be hard to tell from our interactions with one another that we are working together. its schia prodigu |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 14:50:16 GMT
I think the biggest question I would have rn is: Given Wob and Tonis interactions being nearly non-existent. Who would work as the final slot for them? IE: Is this another player that avoided interaction with those 2 slots, and did all 3 scum push separate agendas so as to not get caught up with one another? as a style of "if we avoid interacting with one another it will be hard to tell from our interactions with one another that we are working together. its schia prodigu Yea ik |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 14:59:48 GMT
Zzz shoot me, I'm bored
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 15:00:11 GMT
Like you can go fact check that, it's just not accurate
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 28, 2023 15:05:52 GMT
But if we're going to sit here and continue playing the game where Im left to just sit on the periphery where scum will continue to sideline my slot and play off town uncertainty until they can justify a shot on me in lylo, because that's easier for town than actually dealing with my slot, then literally just shoot me now
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Post by Gary The Savage on May 28, 2023 17:22:29 GMT
Does Snaq ◢ ◤ have any comments to make? If not I'm okay with making my shot sooner than deadline |
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