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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 28, 2023 17:27:05 GMT
I got home a bit ago, and do want to comment on today + do the fullthread read I promised Schia. Should be within the next 4 hours though
For now I'm surprised at the wob flip (well done for tricking me) and also hats off to Gary for seeing through it
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Post by Gary The Savage on May 28, 2023 17:40:37 GMT
Alright. iavh also hasn't spoken since shot so I'd like to give then that opportunity as well |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 17:45:14 GMT
Hmm, while wob did interact with Toni, i would say that Toni had ample time TO respond as well which is interesting that he actively chose not to respond. Actually his prior post was his final post as well. Lets say Wob and Toni were scum partners for the sake of the argument. That post was something very easy for anyone to have called Toni out on Wob did just that. If anything id argue that post put distance between them for Wob calling Toni out on it. That's an interesting take. I did not read that day much (outside of ISOs), if you think I should I can read the final part though. Was it clear that Toni was going to be the shot? I do agree that it created distance between them (see my read). But if it wasn't clear that Toni would be the shot, I think that might be one of the riskiest time to put a target on your scumpartner, as it could lead to a last minute shift by the gunbearer. I actually missed this, and happened on it by chance (sorry about that) its probably pointless to respond at this point considering both players are dead but i feel obligated to in a way Idt at all that day it was clear that Toni was going to be shot that day. |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 17:54:20 GMT
That's an interesting take. I did not read that day much (outside of ISOs), if you think I should I can read the final part though. Was it clear that Toni was going to be the shot? I do agree that it created distance between them (see my read). But if it wasn't clear that Toni would be the shot, I think that might be one of the riskiest time to put a target on your scumpartner, as it could lead to a last minute shift by the gunbearer. I actually missed this, and happened on it by chance (sorry about that) its probably pointless to respond at this point considering both players are dead but i feel obligated to in a way Idt at all that day it was clear that Toni was going to be shot that day. Need to add on a lil bit more to this, the timing of when that line by Wob was said was towards the beginning of the day, and got “shifted” up by pages of other discussion so its possible it largely got forgotten. Not many people had also mentioned Toni as a shot rly at that point Yash mentioned btwn Toni slot and Dactyl slot, but i also responded saying Toni over Dactyl in that case |
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Post by Gary The Savage on May 28, 2023 18:00:46 GMT
My only game related post for this day sorry I’m so tired Poe of clems -> snaq -> protein probably wins Sand seemed to get a bit too defensive when gts was considering them for a shot while also being laid back going “I’ll just shoot myan” with a. Surge of activity Schia probably town Snaq I have to reread entirely I really want to know why Clems is still first in this list |
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Post by iavh on May 28, 2023 19:08:43 GMT
Hi, I still exist
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Post by iavh on May 28, 2023 19:17:48 GMT
Considering that schia+ihbst no longer is possible I need to reread and make new reads.
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 28, 2023 19:20:21 GMT
Rereading comments pages 1-10 (splitting it up so you're not waiting for as many years): Start of day 1 was kinda boring. Both scum did not start off very active, and there's nothing that particularly caught my idea. One thing that interested me was that at some point moto said a read by Myan was forced, which Toni liked (I also did like the callout). From what I noticed, it's the first post that Toni interacted with. Myan mentioning that it's counterproductive to keep active players alive is interesting in the context that at the time both known scum were lurking. (Do think that overall, it was a fair point). Similarly, Schia was against shooting lurker based on mechanics. Schia also really helped the game get started Prod's messages feel very UTR, I barely remember them which feels bad. Moto was confident on prod town though, which I don't truly get. Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪, why did you convenience town prod and wob at this point of the game? wob started to sus Clemens here, know he pushed Toni later. Feels unlikely in this theme to bus both partners (but at this point what do I know, didn't think wob would bus Toni like that anyway) These pages do make me realise I kind of dislike basing the shot of who would be a good gunbearer. Doesn't really matter that much on day 1 imotbh. Gonna remember this post for later: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/94119/thread. Seems sincere somehow |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 28, 2023 19:21:53 GMT
Considering that schia+ihbst no longer is possible I need to reread and make new reads. Interested in what you think of the wolfcases that have been presented in relation to wob flip. Does anything seem forced? |
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Post by iavh on May 28, 2023 19:36:14 GMT
Considering that schia+ihbst no longer is possible I need to reread and make new reads. Interested in what you think of the wolfcases that have been presented in relation to wob flip. Does anything seem forced? with who is the question with whom is what forced |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 28, 2023 19:37:52 GMT
Interested in what you think of the wolfcases that have been presented in relation to wob flip. Does anything seem forced? with who is the question with whom is what forced Lots of people presented wolfcases as requested, including ones on wob. I'd expect this to be awkward for a scumpartner. You see anything that'd indicate someone partner wolfcasing wob? |
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Post by iavh on May 28, 2023 19:57:49 GMT
I read into prod's wall on scumcases, and I should quote it.
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Post by iavh on May 28, 2023 20:01:00 GMT
As requested ill start to scumcase everyone left in the game at this point Scum!Clems: Overall this slot is the most "SR" or disliked slot in the game currently, due to the nature of their posts and general trolling all throughout the game, and even when asked to provide context or anything of substance they refuse to really do it. All of their posts have either been trolling or extremely surface level thoughts overall, saying "yash or wob shot approved" or something like "i think this shot would work today" but not giving any further reasoning or feedback in terms of this. Scum!ihbst: This slot is similarish, their posts are not trolling (so better than clems already) however many of their thoughts have been similar "i would like this or this shot today" have been the general quality of their posts. I believe yesterday was the only day that their posts added a little bit more substance to them as opposed to other days (this may be because they believed Yash would shoot them). Many times i have asked them to expand on their reasoning for given posts, and it was like pulling teeth to get them to give any form of reasoning for what they have said. This is a slot i would like us to start taking a better look at and i think requires more scrutiny at this point in time. [bold]Scum!Wob: Overall this slot has come up at times for being shot, but was never seriously considered, they have the general laid back kinda posting style all game because they have never felt threatened to be shot. I feel as though this slot kinda falls into "never has truly been on the chopping block similarly to me and snaq thus far" overall however idt i can provide a very good scum case on this slot. [/bold] Scum!Schia: Overall this slot has been met with a LOT of scrutiny all game, from day 1 to 2 to 3. During that time frame they felt as though they had to go on the "defensive" so to speak and were posting a lot and trying to make a lot of observations while at the same time trying to get others that hadnt necessarily said to shoot them to TR or town lean them. Since their shot has become less and less brought up their overall posting has also became less and less so as to feel as though they can be more laid back and dont need to worry about being shot. One thing that has stuck out to me is that they originally had said on the day that Toni was shot that a Yash or Wob shot would be good. Firstly, I had asked them to expand on their reasoning for this which had never come to fruition, and secondly, they never mentioned shooting Toni whom i would argue would have fallen into the same category of lurkiness as Wob and Yash had at that point in time so not bringing up Toni would be quite odd. This was also a way to avoid interaction with that user, so that they would not be connected to them if and when they flipped scum. Next they asked everyone to present a scum case against me, which was interesting but never came back to respond to any of the posts that were made, nor state why they asked to do that. This could be because so far I had never been met with any form of pressure and so they wanted to test me up against this kind of unique pressure to see how I would react, or this would be a way to get people to start presenting scumcases against me as a way of beginning to sow seeds of doubt into my slot to put me onto the shot list. Scum!Snaq: This slot came into the game very quickly, and had to get into the game very quickly to avoid being shot. They became a very large voice and started trying to "lead" town so to speak, in an effort to make sure no one would SR them. They constantly ask for others' opinions and such in order to make themselves seem more towny to get people to not SR them. Scum!Myan: They have been talked about a lot in the beginning of the game, and less so over the course of the game. They kinda fall into a similar category as Schia in which their shot was up a lot, and they started talking a lot more in order to avoid being shot. Since talks about their shot have gone down so has their presence in an effort to make everyone else forget about them. One of the things that I have noticed a lot is they mention "prod is town / townie" in their posts about me, so as a form of buddying me. This could be a genuine town, however i find it weird that its brought up so much. Scum!Prodigu: (Ill present a scum case for myself too) Overall this user has existed and flown under the radar the entirety of the game. A lot of players have expressed some form of thoughts of TR / town lean or "this is not the shot currently" so other players have felt pressured to not question the slot at all which is how they have gotten away with a lot of their actions thus far, and never have fully fallen under scrutiny. Minimal amounts of pressure has been applied to this slot so they feel no need to be defensive at all about not being shot, because there has been no pressure whatsoever. Many of their interactions have never been fully "direct" interactions a lot of what they have said are comments to other players. They probably feel safe to allow town to "shoot themselves" so they can take a laid back approach to being scum, due to never having fallen under any form of scrutiny and allow the game to clean up itself while they watch idly. Read the bolded thing is it a sense of being reluctant to case partner and make them look summy |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 20:02:36 GMT
As requested ill start to scumcase everyone left in the game at this point Scum!Clems: Overall this slot is the most "SR" or disliked slot in the game currently, due to the nature of their posts and general trolling all throughout the game, and even when asked to provide context or anything of substance they refuse to really do it. All of their posts have either been trolling or extremely surface level thoughts overall, saying "yash or wob shot approved" or something like "i think this shot would work today" but not giving any further reasoning or feedback in terms of this. Scum!ihbst: This slot is similarish, their posts are not trolling (so better than clems already) however many of their thoughts have been similar "i would like this or this shot today" have been the general quality of their posts. I believe yesterday was the only day that their posts added a little bit more substance to them as opposed to other days (this may be because they believed Yash would shoot them). Many times i have asked them to expand on their reasoning for given posts, and it was like pulling teeth to get them to give any form of reasoning for what they have said. This is a slot i would like us to start taking a better look at and i think requires more scrutiny at this point in time. [bold]Scum!Wob: Overall this slot has come up at times for being shot, but was never seriously considered, they have the general laid back kinda posting style all game because they have never felt threatened to be shot. I feel as though this slot kinda falls into "never has truly been on the chopping block similarly to me and snaq thus far" overall however idt i can provide a very good scum case on this slot. [/bold] Scum!Schia: Overall this slot has been met with a LOT of scrutiny all game, from day 1 to 2 to 3. During that time frame they felt as though they had to go on the "defensive" so to speak and were posting a lot and trying to make a lot of observations while at the same time trying to get others that hadnt necessarily said to shoot them to TR or town lean them. Since their shot has become less and less brought up their overall posting has also became less and less so as to feel as though they can be more laid back and dont need to worry about being shot. One thing that has stuck out to me is that they originally had said on the day that Toni was shot that a Yash or Wob shot would be good. Firstly, I had asked them to expand on their reasoning for this which had never come to fruition, and secondly, they never mentioned shooting Toni whom i would argue would have fallen into the same category of lurkiness as Wob and Yash had at that point in time so not bringing up Toni would be quite odd. This was also a way to avoid interaction with that user, so that they would not be connected to them if and when they flipped scum. Next they asked everyone to present a scum case against me, which was interesting but never came back to respond to any of the posts that were made, nor state why they asked to do that. This could be because so far I had never been met with any form of pressure and so they wanted to test me up against this kind of unique pressure to see how I would react, or this would be a way to get people to start presenting scumcases against me as a way of beginning to sow seeds of doubt into my slot to put me onto the shot list. Scum!Snaq: This slot came into the game very quickly, and had to get into the game very quickly to avoid being shot. They became a very large voice and started trying to "lead" town so to speak, in an effort to make sure no one would SR them. They constantly ask for others' opinions and such in order to make themselves seem more towny to get people to not SR them. Scum!Myan: They have been talked about a lot in the beginning of the game, and less so over the course of the game. They kinda fall into a similar category as Schia in which their shot was up a lot, and they started talking a lot more in order to avoid being shot. Since talks about their shot have gone down so has their presence in an effort to make everyone else forget about them. One of the things that I have noticed a lot is they mention "prod is town / townie" in their posts about me, so as a form of buddying me. This could be a genuine town, however i find it weird that its brought up so much. Scum!Prodigu: (Ill present a scum case for myself too) Overall this user has existed and flown under the radar the entirety of the game. A lot of players have expressed some form of thoughts of TR / town lean or "this is not the shot currently" so other players have felt pressured to not question the slot at all which is how they have gotten away with a lot of their actions thus far, and never have fully fallen under scrutiny. Minimal amounts of pressure has been applied to this slot so they feel no need to be defensive at all about not being shot, because there has been no pressure whatsoever. Many of their interactions have never been fully "direct" interactions a lot of what they have said are comments to other players. They probably feel safe to allow town to "shoot themselves" so they can take a laid back approach to being scum, due to never having fallen under any form of scrutiny and allow the game to clean up itself while they watch idly. Read the bolded thing is it a sense of being reluctant to case partner and make them look summy Unfortunately your bold didnt work, try again though but if anyones looking for it its my wolf case on Wob |
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Post by Gary The Savage on May 28, 2023 20:02:47 GMT
with who is the question with whom is what forced Lots of people presented wolfcases as requested, including ones on wob. I'd expect this to be awkward for a scumpartner. You see anything that'd indicate someone partner wolfcasing wob? It's Like there's methods to my madness |
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Post by iavh on May 28, 2023 20:03:36 GMT
As requested ill start to scumcase everyone left in the game at this point Scum!Clems: Overall this slot is the most "SR" or disliked slot in the game currently, due to the nature of their posts and general trolling all throughout the game, and even when asked to provide context or anything of substance they refuse to really do it. All of their posts have either been trolling or extremely surface level thoughts overall, saying "yash or wob shot approved" or something like "i think this shot would work today" but not giving any further reasoning or feedback in terms of this. Scum!ihbst: This slot is similarish, their posts are not trolling (so better than clems already) however many of their thoughts have been similar "i would like this or this shot today" have been the general quality of their posts. I believe yesterday was the only day that their posts added a little bit more substance to them as opposed to other days (this may be because they believed Yash would shoot them). Many times i have asked them to expand on their reasoning for given posts, and it was like pulling teeth to get them to give any form of reasoning for what they have said. This is a slot i would like us to start taking a better look at and i think requires more scrutiny at this point in time. Scum!Wob:
Overall this slot has come up at times for being shot, but was never seriously considered, they have the general laid back kinda posting style all game because they have never felt threatened to be shot. I feel as though this slot kinda falls into "never has truly been on the chopping block similarly to me and snaq thus far" overall however idt i can provide a very good scum case on this slot. Scum!Schia: Overall this slot has been met with a LOT of scrutiny all game, from day 1 to 2 to 3. During that time frame they felt as though they had to go on the "defensive" so to speak and were posting a lot and trying to make a lot of observations while at the same time trying to get others that hadnt necessarily said to shoot them to TR or town lean them. Since their shot has become less and less brought up their overall posting has also became less and less so as to feel as though they can be more laid back and dont need to worry about being shot. One thing that has stuck out to me is that they originally had said on the day that Toni was shot that a Yash or Wob shot would be good. Firstly, I had asked them to expand on their reasoning for this which had never come to fruition, and secondly, they never mentioned shooting Toni whom i would argue would have fallen into the same category of lurkiness as Wob and Yash had at that point in time so not bringing up Toni would be quite odd. This was also a way to avoid interaction with that user, so that they would not be connected to them if and when they flipped scum. Next they asked everyone to present a scum case against me, which was interesting but never came back to respond to any of the posts that were made, nor state why they asked to do that. This could be because so far I had never been met with any form of pressure and so they wanted to test me up against this kind of unique pressure to see how I would react, or this would be a way to get people to start presenting scumcases against me as a way of beginning to sow seeds of doubt into my slot to put me onto the shot list. Scum!Snaq: This slot came into the game very quickly, and had to get into the game very quickly to avoid being shot. They became a very large voice and started trying to "lead" town so to speak, in an effort to make sure no one would SR them. They constantly ask for others' opinions and such in order to make themselves seem more towny to get people to not SR them. Scum!Myan: They have been talked about a lot in the beginning of the game, and less so over the course of the game. They kinda fall into a similar category as Schia in which their shot was up a lot, and they started talking a lot more in order to avoid being shot. Since talks about their shot have gone down so has their presence in an effort to make everyone else forget about them. One of the things that I have noticed a lot is they mention "prod is town / townie" in their posts about me, so as a form of buddying me. This could be a genuine town, however i find it weird that its brought up so much. Scum!Prodigu: (Ill present a scum case for myself too) Overall this user has existed and flown under the radar the entirety of the game. A lot of players have expressed some form of thoughts of TR / town lean or "this is not the shot currently" so other players have felt pressured to not question the slot at all which is how they have gotten away with a lot of their actions thus far, and never have fully fallen under scrutiny. Minimal amounts of pressure has been applied to this slot so they feel no need to be defensive at all about not being shot, because there has been no pressure whatsoever. Many of their interactions have never been fully "direct" interactions a lot of what they have said are comments to other players. They probably feel safe to allow town to "shoot themselves" so they can take a laid back approach to being scum, due to never having fallen under any form of scrutiny and allow the game to clean up itself while they watch idly. Read the bolded thing is it a sense of being reluctant to case partner and make them look summy Hopefully actually bolded |
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 20:04:08 GMT
Read the bolded thing is it a sense of being reluctant to case partner and make them look summy Hopefully actually bolded Yeah youre good this time |
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Post by ihbst on May 28, 2023 20:04:29 GMT
what a madly
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Post by ihbst on May 28, 2023 20:04:40 GMT
madlad
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Post by iavh on May 28, 2023 20:06:03 GMT
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third slot always scum proved by prod scumcase
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 20:06:12 GMT
with who is the question with whom is what forced Lots of people presented wolfcases as requested, including ones on wob. I'd expect this to be awkward for a scumpartner. You see anything that'd indicate someone partner wolfcasing wob? I think we should also look at Wobs wolfcases on other people as well, the same logic would potentially hold true no? As well as weak cases on a partner, wouldnt overly strong cases and finding additional ways to distance themselves or distance Wob from Toni also be standouts potentially |
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Post by iavh on May 28, 2023 20:08:02 GMT
is this a sign of changing the topic
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Post by Prodigu on May 28, 2023 20:10:41 GMT
is this a sign of changing the topic Nah, i think its decent to include to look for those things though as it could help indicate partner relationships If you have an extremely weak case on a slot that most people have a decent case on then that can be weird. Conversely if you have an extremely strong case on a slot most people dont have a lot on that would also be weird no? |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 28, 2023 20:14:01 GMT
Page 11-20: To further the point about prod earlier. I think posts like these don't really help the gamestate and kinda state an "obvious" read: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/94133/threadForgot about this post but encountered it upon Schia's quote. Do like him defending Fen (a lot) ps-mafia.proboards.com/thread/1211/staff-semi-invitational-popcorn-thread?page=4&scrollTo=93974moto found myan horrible, it seems. Did not want him "anywhere near volo". I haven't found Myan's posts aggressively bad from a readover, personally though. ihbst found shooting AFK day 2 a bad idea. Repeat earlier point. Crespo: From the very very few things youve said, it at least appears to me it appears like youre kinda here but also not. IK i havent played a game with you in years (I only have a few ppl in here that fit that category and youre unfortunately one of them) but idr you being a particular lurker (I will say as long as you are who I remember u to be) I DID play one game with you where we were both scum and u suggested just lurking out D1 iirc which is why im giving you a read despite you not saying much. I do dislike basing one game off of another but this is why im kinda having this read, id like to see contribution of some sort today from u that way im not giving a read based on a different game. If i have any conclusion rn, I need to see more from u and find it weird youve been not contributing. Lots of words (about like 2 posts) to not get to any conclusion. Not sure why Toni was singled out here (nor if it's AI that it wasn't say Dactyl, or wob) Reached Toni hating Clemens' post. Def does not seem like Clemens would join a wob + Toni scumteam. Also, I think clemens' has been posting rather uninhibitedly. At this point I'm ok with making Clemens coretown. Doubling down with Toni quoting like 7 clemens posts to make disliking clemens his personality Side note love seeing people complaining about 12 pages to read, when I know I have 18 more to go! |
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Post by ihbst on May 28, 2023 20:21:12 GMT
I think it would be a little cute if everyone presented a scum case for every remaining player, even those they may tr. Getting every player to agree to thar may be difficult, but ultimately I'd find it quite beneficial gonna give this a shot clems: the more i think about it the more i think it would make a lot of sense for toni to just have been bussing clems if they were partners - it did very much seem like clems was definitely getting shot that day so why not just jump on the wagon anyway. one thing i really didnt like from clems was that they made one post about how schia asked for gun and how that could possibly be a town slip. then just a couple posts later they said something about how they didnt mind getting gun and mentioned who they would shoot and even what time they'd be shooting at. it came across as if they thought saying this would also get them some town cred and it all just felt very forced. i do have a hard time reading into their posts in general but thats something that stood out to me as suspect. ihbst: this would be my preferred shot today. i feel like they haven't reacted all that well to some of the shots, particularly after toni flipped it felt like they tried very quickly to recontextualize their reads / posts because they knew it was going to reflect poorly on them. also it seems like their general posting quality / substance has dipped as their name has started coming up more as a potential shot (they even said they felt like they might get shot today), which im wondering is because they dont know how to deal with the increased pressure as scum. myan: myan has tunnelled clems pretty hard this whole game, which confuses me because the reasoning has never really evolved much beyond the amount of trolling / filler, when it seems pretty obvious thats just how clems plays. i do get wanting to shoot a slot like that anyways because it can be pretty annoying to play with. but idk, myan's reasoning for why they wanted to shoot clems but not toni i feel was pretty weak as i went over before, and also it just seems like they havent really given much in-depth thought to anyone else on the playerlist which makes it seem like they aren't actively scumhunting at all. prod: i do think that prod has played a very safe game, he's said a lot that i agree with but at the same time his takes tend to be pretty uncontroversial and non-committal. i do sometimes get the feeling that his posts are crafted in such a way to be present enough / provide enough substance to not be called out for it but at the same time avoid conflict with anyone from town. schia: i think it makes a lot of sense for schia to have pushed for the yash -> gary shots if he's scum, knowing this is how it would play out. especially if his partner is a "safer" slot that hasnt really been on the chopping block so much like snaq or prod that would make it pretty easy for them to clean up here. also i feel like his bit about only shooting someone from toni's quote wall isnt all that convincing and might just be him trying to narrow down the shot pool for today. snaq: his townread on schia feels a bit forced, when i asked him about it the response basically amounted to "i liked his posts" without much consideration as to how town schia would act vs how scum schia would act. it sticks out to me compared to his other posts which have generally had some deeper / better insights into how people are playing. he also brought up that tic tac toe game a couple times i guess to show he gave some consideration to scummy things that schia has done but that also feels like low hanging fruit cause its totally some shit that schia would do regardless of alignment imo lol. idk interested to see if snaq can provide a bit more context on that read though. from this its schia/prod/snaq for me |
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