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Post by Fame on Nov 20, 2023 21:09:01 GMT
Eh actually idk, I still think Clouds' early posts are mega weird but him and Kliff are never S/S I don't think and I agree more with his read on Kliff
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Post by Fame on Nov 20, 2023 21:11:44 GMT
I think equal to your clouds read fame this post feels like posturing rather than anything which is awkward considering im getting rand town vibes from kliff's other posts i'm not level with you on the kliff slot so far on a "vibes" basis. it seems like he chooses particularly weird pressure points to bring forward like peng's rvs vote on iavh, where it's harder for me to trace what the town motivation behind commenting on that is. what thoughts/posts were you thinking came across as rand town? a better way to describe the pressure points part is like, what makes a villager see that vote and have concerns about it & then comment on it vs the scum perspective of "here's a naked vote i can draw attention to because it's out in the cold open with nothing to back it up", and then the latter explanation sits a better with me slightly the same thing happened with the tommy2hands rvs vote as well also fame, i don't see how you're writing off kliff/tommy2hands off as s/s from those interactions. imagine how s!kliff looks pressuring s!tommy2hands for the rvs vote if tommy2hands was to flip mafia. the most informed always have the easiest time doing something like this, because they know they're commenting on a partner's vote before anyone else has the opportunity tothere's nothing to suggest they are partnered yet but there's for sure nothing i see that would make me discount that as a possibility, and definitely not kliff's commentary on the vote This seems so forward thinking / a bit far fetched though and it's before any of the weirder Kliff posts which bugs me |
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Post by kliff on Nov 20, 2023 21:12:05 GMT
I don't think dactly is specifically trying to draw attention to themselves, I think they just progressed just seemed like a townie doing their thing. Not sure I understand the Dactyl read either BTW, I hinted at this earlier but no I really don't think scum aims to draw attention to themselves in this set up w/ several PRs & scum crosskill potential. If people in the thread are insistent on voting out people they have a hard time reading, I have a hot take that people should really use PRs on those slots instead / use them on people that are lurking or inactive in the thread. I think they're more likely to be sending the kills + removing limbo slots from POE is a net positive for town. You can quickly lose these games sifting through 10+ people in POE (just look at the last OC played on here) and getting clears gives far more space for ppl to deduce based on actual content rather than lack-thereof. Also forces scum to choose between killing clears & killing loud posters Not super urgent because game just started & I think policy votes say more about other player's alignments than it does about the person being policied but yeah It seems that the Dactyl Strand post has more of a "town doing their thing" vibe, as I mentioned cant really imagine a wolf mindset being behind this slot. I would expect wolf here to kind of be more passive and avoid trying to touch any land mines just yet. I think this is just !town Dactyl who just gave their opinion with no ill intent. Post: Vote saltiestcactus23 no long introduction post here just this Actions/Idles
Player A (Reflexivizer): Reflexivize Player H
Player B (Murderous Vigilante): Kill Player P
Player C (Mafia Bus Driver): Bus drive Player J and Player N
Player D (Confidant): Confidant Player G
Player E (Card Dealer): Idle (don’t worry about randomly giving a role- it should not be needed)
Player F (Judge): Judge Player N
Player G (2S Multiplier, gifted OS Cop by Teacher N1): Cop Player A, multiply Player P Footnote 1-see below
Player H (Vanilla Townie, made (and still is) an OS PGO by Alien 2S Booby Trapper N1): Idle
Player I (Alien Contrary, Gifted OS Cop by Teacher N3): Cop Player A
Player J (Celebrity): Idle
Player K (Mafia Psychotrooper Button): Kill Player O
Player L (Mafia Reflexivizer): Reflexivize Player A
Player M (Wild Card SI): Wild card Player A
Player N (Flip Flop, gifted OS Cop by teacher N2): Cop Player D
Player O (Gambit Public Cop): Cop Player M
Player P (Avoider): Avoid Player G
Player Q (Compatibility Checker): Check Player J and Player I
Player X (Oracle): If it was legal, could an infinite loop of action resolution occur tonight? (To be sure you didn’t guess, I need a justification!!)2
Player Y (Oracle): Could town win by the end of the night with no more town deaths? (Ditto)
Player Z(Mafia Oracle): Is it possible for the game to end in a Mafia win by the end of D5 without the use of any PGOs, reflexivizers, or multipliers that happen to be in the setup? (Extremely devious answer, will also need an explanation to know you didn't guess 🙂)
Footnotes:
1: If, hypothetically, a player with multiple actions was to target a reflexive reflexivizer with one action, only that one action should be applied reflexively.
2: These somewhat trolly oracles are asking hypothetical questions about what may occur during this night (N4) before the night actually happens. Thus, you should be thinking of alternative subsets of night actions that would lead to answering their questions wolfy pop-in vote iamveryhappytowncore: Dactyl7, Crespo, Pisxel  this is based on aura, not personal star signs... i'll soon know what this means about alignment, but the stars haven't told me yet, so be patient 1) iamveryhappy - Sagittarius 2) Crespo - Aquarius 3) Cyan Talon - Aquarius 4) Dactyl7 - Aries 5) tommy2hands - Scorpio 6) camryn - Gemini 7) Fame - Gemini 9) Fenrir - Virgo 10) kliff - Capricorn 11) prodigu - Virgo 12) cuddleszz - Taurus 13) saltiestcactus23 - Capricorn 14) OM~! - Libra 16) fingerlings - Aquarius 17) Edjeanerations - Leo 18) pisxel - Taurus 19) tanpat - Pisces 20) PenguinD - Cancer im actually a leo i think its pretty obvious, FOS on clouds jokes aside though if OM makes less than like 10 posts from now till EOD im voting him idk how to quote multiple posts in one but, yeah ive been trying to think of a hypothetical defence for these lines and ive got nothing not necessarily alignment indicative or anything and its only D1, but not a great look Just to give my thoughts on clem here, I don't think anyone mentions policy except Cyan? If they are playing the game then there is no need to bring up policy I think Clem taking the initiative this early on here is a good look, I think they usually troll their way out of votes/sus as scum as some form of long term strategy? maybe? |
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Post by Fame on Nov 20, 2023 21:18:22 GMT
Not sure I understand the Dactyl read either BTW, I hinted at this earlier but no I really don't think scum aims to draw attention to themselves in this set up w/ several PRs & scum crosskill potential. If people in the thread are insistent on voting out people they have a hard time reading, I have a hot take that people should really use PRs on those slots instead / use them on people that are lurking or inactive in the thread. I think they're more likely to be sending the kills + removing limbo slots from POE is a net positive for town. You can quickly lose these games sifting through 10+ people in POE (just look at the last OC played on here) and getting clears gives far more space for ppl to deduce based on actual content rather than lack-thereof. Also forces scum to choose between killing clears & killing loud posters Not super urgent because game just started & I think policy votes say more about other player's alignments than it does about the person being policied but yeah It seems that the Dactyl Strand post has more of a "town doing their thing" vibe, as I mentioned cant really imagine a wolf mindset being behind this slot. I would expect wolf here to kind of be more passive and avoid trying to touch any land mines just yet. I think this is just !town Dactyl who just gave their opinion with no ill intent. Just to give my thoughts on clem here, I don't think anyone mentions policy except Cyan? If they are playing the game then there is no need to bring up policy I think Clem taking the initiative this early on here is a good look, I think they usually troll their way out of votes/sus as scum as some form of long term strategy? maybe? All of the discussion around Clem is basically a disguised policy regardless of how people frame it so although people aren't specifically calling it that, it's definitely not a vote based on anything truly alignment indicative atp since half of the comments on his slot have been centred around calling him a troll or an anomaly. Also idk I think being super passive is a scumtell so I don't follow that line of thinking. I already said this in my OG post but actually there's far more incentive to just lay low in this set up and hope PRs/crosskill doesn't catch you out IMO |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 20, 2023 21:19:13 GMT
i was gonna tag you and ask your thoughts after her post townreading you and om i wouldn't be that surprised if she jumped in her first game as scum & aced it immediately, but that felt like a pretty genuine post my 1 concern was that she felt like she had to make an excuse for not being here despite it being early, but we know she's been poisoned by ORGs |
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Post by kliff on Nov 20, 2023 21:21:28 GMT
When I get home I’m gonna sit down and look over stuff more but tell me about this since idk Camryn at all Could just tell she had been reading the thread and wanted to give summarised thoughts IS that "obv town" exaggerated, cause yea all they did was summarize what they think about certain slots? |
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Post by camryn on Nov 20, 2023 21:22:52 GMT
i was gonna tag you and ask your thoughts after her post townreading you and om i wouldn't be that surprised if she jumped in her first game as scum & aced it immediately, but that felt like a pretty genuine post my 1 concern was that she felt like she had to make an excuse for not being here despite it being early, but we know she's been poisoned by ORGs With love and light I am in my final semester of my senior year and have a finance exam tomorrow and a rough draft for a 12 page paper due in 2 days LOL |
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Post by kliff on Nov 20, 2023 21:23:38 GMT
It seems that the Dactyl Strand post has more of a "town doing their thing" vibe, as I mentioned cant really imagine a wolf mindset being behind this slot. I would expect wolf here to kind of be more passive and avoid trying to touch any land mines just yet. I think this is just !town Dactyl who just gave their opinion with no ill intent. Just to give my thoughts on clem here, I don't think anyone mentions policy except Cyan? If they are playing the game then there is no need to bring up policy I think Clem taking the initiative this early on here is a good look, I think they usually troll their way out of votes/sus as scum as some form of long term strategy? maybe? All of the discussion around Clem is basically a disguised policy regardless of how people frame it so although people aren't specifically calling it that, it's definitely not a vote based on anything truly alignment indicative atp since half of the comments on his slot have been centred around calling him a troll or an anomaly. Also idk I think being super passive is a scumtell so I don't follow that line of thinking. I already said this in my OG post but actually there's far more incentive to just lay low in this set up and hope PRs/crosskill doesn't catch you out IMO Yes I am saying so far I don't think Dactly does not have a "lay low" type of progression which makes me think they are more likely town. |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 20, 2023 21:25:10 GMT
i'm not level with you on the kliff slot so far on a "vibes" basis. it seems like he chooses particularly weird pressure points to bring forward like peng's rvs vote on iavh, where it's harder for me to trace what the town motivation behind commenting on that is. what thoughts/posts were you thinking came across as rand town? a better way to describe the pressure points part is like, what makes a villager see that vote and have concerns about it & then comment on it vs the scum perspective of "here's a naked vote i can draw attention to because it's out in the cold open with nothing to back it up", and then the latter explanation sits a better with me slightly the same thing happened with the tommy2hands rvs vote as well also fame, i don't see how you're writing off kliff/tommy2hands off as s/s from those interactions. imagine how s!kliff looks pressuring s!tommy2hands for the rvs vote if tommy2hands was to flip mafia. the most informed always have the easiest time doing something like this, because they know they're commenting on a partner's vote before anyone else has the opportunity tothere's nothing to suggest they are partnered yet but there's for sure nothing i see that would make me discount that as a possibility, and definitely not kliff's commentary on the vote This seems so forward thinking / a bit far fetched though and it's before any of the weirder Kliff posts which bugs me it is forward thinking, but this isn't to pair them... it's to argue why i think you're jumping the gun on saying they can't be paired looking at it from a lens of s!kliff & s!tommy2hands there - it's early day 1, kliff's vote isn't going to send tommy over, and if he tosses an early sus on a partner earlier and then that same partner flips later, it's something that he could fall back on and reference as a pro-town point for himself. i also think the way kliff phrased it was just extracting too much from too little, and in cases of s/s theater this is a common pattern because it's hard to effectively distance yourself when you're fabricating a fake read on a partner while juggling the tmi that they're your partner again, dust in the wind for now & no reason to believe they're paired, just my two cents |
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Post by camryn on Nov 20, 2023 21:25:32 GMT
Also I don't really blame people for not reading me as town at the moment because I really haven't engaged with many posts and disputed claims so it's fully understandable and in your position I would see myself as a massive question mark. Right now I'm really just trying to get a feel for this and how people engage in this game so I've been observing, just wanted to make my presence known and post some of my initial thoughts.
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Post by Fame on Nov 20, 2023 21:26:34 GMT
All of the discussion around Clem is basically a disguised policy regardless of how people frame it so although people aren't specifically calling it that, it's definitely not a vote based on anything truly alignment indicative atp since half of the comments on his slot have been centred around calling him a troll or an anomaly. Also idk I think being super passive is a scumtell so I don't follow that line of thinking. I already said this in my OG post but actually there's far more incentive to just lay low in this set up and hope PRs/crosskill doesn't catch you out IMO Yes I am saying so far I don't think Dactly does not have a "lay low" type of progression which makes me think they are more likely town. Wait actually your post is worse on reread because all of the posts you quoted were definitely passive and if those aren't passive posts idk what is, the most active thing he did was declare intent to vote someone that he hasn't even voted yet |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 20, 2023 21:26:38 GMT
i was gonna tag you and ask your thoughts after her post townreading you and om i wouldn't be that surprised if she jumped in her first game as scum & aced it immediately, but that felt like a pretty genuine post my 1 concern was that she felt like she had to make an excuse for not being here despite it being early, but we know she's been poisoned by ORGs With love and light I am in my final semester of my senior year and have a finance exam tomorrow and a rough draft for a 12 page paper due in 2 days LOL what course... |
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Post by camryn on Nov 20, 2023 21:28:07 GMT
With love and light I am in my final semester of my senior year and have a finance exam tomorrow and a rough draft for a 12 page paper due in 2 days LOL what course... My senior thesis class  I'm writing my paper on how AI art is unethical |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 20, 2023 21:32:54 GMT
vote Fingerlings
let's get pressure on some slot that needs to be posting for now
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Post by Fame on Nov 20, 2023 21:33:12 GMT
This Dactyl read is so forced he has a total of 2 game related posts and the logic doesn't even make sense
"Not a lay low type progression, not passive" -> has minimal activity, 2 game related posts and a throwaway vote on IAVH
Shouldn't this just be a wolftell for you Kliff based on your criteria because one of the posts you quoted literally just says "hi fame"
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Post by kliff on Nov 20, 2023 21:33:38 GMT
Yes I am saying so far I don't think Dactly does not have a "lay low" type of progression which makes me think they are more likely town. Wait actually your post is worse on reread because all of the posts you quoted were definitely passive and if those aren't passive posts idk what is, the most active thing he did was declare intent to vote someone that he hasn't even voted yet 1.Voting clem and calling them wolf 2.FOSing clouds based on astrology 3. Claiming to vote OM based on votecount I think scum just avoids doing these type of things this early into Day (Page 4). I don't think their action are necessarily passive at that point in the game. But yea just my opinion. |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 20, 2023 21:33:39 GMT
My senior thesis class I'm writing my paper on how AI art is unethical i guess i meant the f*nance course because i wanted to see if it was 1 of the painful ones but lowkey this thesis? |
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Post by camryn on Nov 20, 2023 21:34:57 GMT
My senior thesis class I'm writing my paper on how AI art is unethical i guess i meant the f*nance course because i wanted to see if it was 1 of the painful ones but lowkey this thesis? Oh it's just intro to finance I need to take it because it fulfills my requirements for my marketing major |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 20, 2023 21:35:24 GMT
1 prior experience with fingerlings he was fairly present & a high-volume poster so the entrance and dip is offkey
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Post by Clouds on Nov 20, 2023 21:36:53 GMT
camryn please use fame's vote graphics as evidence for why AI art is unethical
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Post by kliff on Nov 20, 2023 21:42:55 GMT
This Dactyl read is so forced he has a total of 2 game related posts and the logic doesn't even make sense "Not a lay low type progression, not passive" -> has minimal activity, 2 game related posts and a throwaway vote on IAVH Shouldn't this just be a wolftell for you Kliff based on your criteria because one of the posts you quoted literally just says "hi fame" Im not trying to force anything, given Dactly performance I would have them as town Lean/null-town them for now, If their not consistent then I'll reconsider. Also that "hi fame" post is like pretty NAI. I think they followed up with another post to express more suspicion which is a better look for them. |
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Post by Dactyl7 on Nov 20, 2023 22:37:35 GMT
This Dactyl read is so forced he has a total of 2 game related posts and the logic doesn't even make sense "Not a lay low type progression, not passive" -> has minimal activity, 2 game related posts and a throwaway vote on IAVH Shouldn't this just be a wolftell for you Kliff based on your criteria because one of the posts you quoted literally just says "hi fame" Im not trying to force anything, given Dactly performance I would have them as town Lean/null-town them for now, If their not consistent then I'll reconsider. Also that "hi fame" post is like pretty NAI. I think they followed up with another post to express more suspicion which is a better look for them. going to get on PC now in a few mins and gather my thoughts, want to clarify that my iavh vote was purely RVS the OM comment was because from my (admittedly limited) experience, he’s noticeably quieter as scum, and mostly i just wanted to see how he would react |
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Post by Dactyl7 on Nov 20, 2023 22:38:43 GMT
this is my first forum game that hasn’t ended in hosterror or me subbing, pls bear with me and let me know if im like using terms wrong or something
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Post by Clouds on Nov 20, 2023 22:45:38 GMT
vote Kliffthe way he's been piggybacking off certain reads -- more than anything else, the om townread on dactyl that literally has backwards phrasing and you can't extract the right meaning from it without further clarification -- doesn't strike me as authentic. not settling on a vote here, but have seen more from the frequent posters that i dislike from him than anyone else so far Fair enough, But  if you read om's post carefully, he's not even saying dact is town on the grounds of him being willing to draw attention to himself -- there's a double negative in there and it looks like he's saying that he's town for not drawing attention to himself, so it made me question whether you'd even read the post or just wanted to signal boost something to appear helpful the reason i asked him to clarify was because i was wary of the idea of him saying dact was town for not drawing attention to himself which a) wouldn't have aligned with dact's play so far and b) is a bad reason to call anyone town |
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Post by Prodigu on Nov 20, 2023 22:53:54 GMT
I don't think dactly is specifically trying to draw attention to themselves, I think they just progressed just seemed like a townie doing their thing. Not sure I understand the Dactyl read either BTW, I hinted at this earlier but no I really don't think scum aims to draw attention to themselves in this set up w/ several PRs & scum crosskill potential. If people in the thread are insistent on voting out people they have a hard time reading, I have a hot take that people should really use PRs on those slots instead / use them on people that are lurking or inactive in the thread. I think they're more likely to be sending the kills + removing limbo slots from POE is a net positive for town. You can quickly lose these games sifting through 10+ people in POE (just look at the last OC played on here) and getting clears gives far more space for ppl to deduce based on actual content rather than lack-thereof. Also forces scum to choose between killing clears & killing loud posters Not super urgent because game just started & I think policy votes say more about other player's alignments than it does about the person being policied but yeah genuinely like what Fame says here, in terms of using PRs to solve slots that are more annoying to read, although it can be said its just stating the obvious as something to do, it sticks out because imo its not something that would be on a scums agenda to point out, moreso would rather avoid the topic than broach it |
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