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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:00:31 GMT
fame/ck/fenrir establishing themselves as towncore idt this ever happened?? what did you mean by this? |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 19, 2024 2:03:09 GMT
I wanted to dive through vades iso and talk about some things that have stuck out to me, particularly the situation of her vs turt and the progression on it because it is something I really want to cover but haven’t done much talking about in my postings yet. TL;DR: Her progression on turt’s slot feels so contrived and weird, almost like it was planned out in a way with how suddenly she goes from saying turt is townie on entrance, to snapping and suddenly going to an sl then bumping it up to the point of “turt scum, moving on.” Without any real kind of elaboration or visible thought process. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132314/threadHere is vades first post on turt, saying his entrance is pretty townie, they’re poking and prodding, and they seem to be attempting to solve. This is not bad, this is exactly what I thought when reading turts entrance posts and why I got to towning him so hastily. Vade then goes on about turts pmeta and how they are more reserved and that maybe this makes the entrance suspicious but yeah they feel genuine so whatever. I have already touched on this but I don’t really know turts pmeta on forums I have nothing to say here, vade just seems to be putting out what they think about the slot. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132331/threadThen Two hours later she hits us this post. Immediately contradicting what she said about how genuine turts opening feels, she tells us that it feels like turt is just making reads for the sake of making reads (Well yeah, you gotta make reads to get the game somewhere lol) and says their read on her was fair, she was inactive, but it feels like poking her slot for cred. This is immediately a line of reason I don’t agree with, is the post really Maf AI? This is a pretty normal way for people to enter a thread, get active, and further their solving process, it is absolutely fakeable but to deem it that right off especially a post after saying it was genuine does not sit right with me. Also good to note that she goes an hour and a half without posting, not even directly mentioning or answering those prods and questions directed at her and still goes straight into this post. From what I know, vade is kind of a snappy, aggressive player so this doesn’t at all mean she is scum yet, but it definitely doesn’t make a good case, it is an odd post. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132343/thread Here’s proof she has turt as a SL at that point if you ever wondered why I was claiming that. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132372/threadPuts her voting ticket on turt here, pretty much confirms to me that it goes beyond a FOS now and she is getting serious about her read. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132381/threadFirst post described him as “pretty townie” so I don’t get why she is going after him like he’s trying to spin your words when that first turt post was essentially saying she initially tl’d him, just without saying it exactly like that. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132389/threadps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132395/threadYeah you are starting to deathtunnel now… You seem self aware of it and are looking for other people to get opinions from, but does this stop you from tunnelling turt anyways? ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132423/threadWill admit vade makes a decent point here, it definitely appears that way and I don’t remember turt really giving much of a good explanation for it. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132543/threadps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132547/threadAnd now, in the span of about 20 posts, a majority of which are unrelated or something I’ve already talked about, turt goes from “pretty townie” to an overboard sr that she appears to be locked on, without much to say in between. This just feels forced and overly aggressive. If you have anything beyond this to explain why you SR turt then go ahead, but right now I think you’re brute forcing a vote or spiralling into a deathtunnel that you need to re-examine. That’s pretty much all I’ve got to say, throw any questions you have at me. i read through this & looked at the posts you've linked it's one thing to say the read feels contrived (faked, forced, etc) but it's another thing to say that there's no progression there between the townread (which in the OP you link at the start, is fairly light and has some suspicion attached to it) & the eventual SR like actually i think there's more than enough there for the read to make sense from vade's POV The reasoning vade had to be suspect of turt was just “Turt is usually more reserved in posting” which is not an idea that is followed on progression to a turt sl, if anything it’s the exact opposite she says it was because turt was forming reads for the sake of forming reads, and from the sr on turt after that I ask you to find a single thing that actually explains why it was bumped up to that because if she had a good, townie thought process behind it there is nothing to tell me that’s the case |
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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:04:50 GMT
I feel like the best option is here is to rand who to give the gun and put a shotpool imo. this way, we don't get the gun holder NKed most likely (im assuming the gunholder getting NKed losing us the gun). Actually instead of the shotpool we can potentially do a vote on who to vig in addition to the normal vote, sort of giving us two lynches and mitigates the problem of the gun being given to mafia. the problem with this method is mafia getting some influence in the shot but i feel like the benefits are outweight the negatives cuz a (nigh) random shot is prob worse than a second lynch. god im so confused by what this post means but im pretty sure it also misunderstands the mechanics of the game so probably town (?) |
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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:06:06 GMT
Gunner should not be randed because of reasons prod went over imo. I agree with developing our shotpool and trying to reach some consensus though which is basically what I’m trying to do rn. Problem with not having a shotpool is that we could be shooting into the dark without any town influence, which is dangerous ESPECIALLY if scum gets gun somehow I feel like if we rand the gunner (prevents mafia from pushing the person they NKed) its better imo. after that, we vote for who we wanna vig in the night, basically giving us a second lynch, and if the gunner doesn't shoot the person we voted for to be shot, then we lynch them the following day. right yea this is probably just town |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 19, 2024 2:06:57 GMT
I feel like the best option is here is to rand who to give the gun and put a shotpool imo. this way, we don't get the gun holder NKed most likely (im assuming the gunholder getting NKed losing us the gun). Actually instead of the shotpool we can potentially do a vote on who to vig in addition to the normal vote, sort of giving us two lynches and mitigates the problem of the gun being given to mafia. the problem with this method is mafia getting some influence in the shot but i feel like the benefits are outweight the negatives cuz a (nigh) random shot is prob worse than a second lynch. god im so confused by what this post means but im pretty sure it also misunderstands the mechanics of the game so probably town (?) idk why you are going around saying people are town for not understanding how the game works, like this isn’t AI at all |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 19, 2024 2:07:42 GMT
I like lechens posts and don’t think they are scummy it feels like genuine solving but “they don’t understand the game, probably town” just doesn’t make sense
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 19, 2024 2:09:25 GMT
Mmm experiment time, i hope i get inform so i can cop someone
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Post by NightEmerald on Jul 19, 2024 2:11:21 GMT
okay, im just gonna read vade's iso for an hour because at this point I feel like i need to put more effort into figuring out what the hell is going on, image tangentially relevant  will try to focus on unpairings since i don't think that's really been covered as much as it should, and prod's asked about it a couple times now iirc |
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Post by NightEmerald on Jul 19, 2024 2:14:45 GMT
regret posting that i feel like an asshole
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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:14:56 GMT
god im so confused by what this post means but im pretty sure it also misunderstands the mechanics of the game so probably town (?) idk why you are going around saying people are town for not understanding how the game works, like this isn’t AI at all |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 19, 2024 2:15:00 GMT
The darkness within consumes me
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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:15:44 GMT
thread becomes almost unbearable to read at like page 35ish to page 37 or something
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 19, 2024 2:17:04 GMT
mb chat that would be my fault for making thread a mess, im feeling better now, dont worry  |
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 19, 2024 2:17:16 GMT
anyways i read up
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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:17:18 GMT
time to reorient myself i guess but a bit confused how uh how has this happened exactly |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 19, 2024 2:19:01 GMT
im back, i mean if the consensus is to axe me then go ahead and vig shot me i don't mind i bet the shot is a mafia ploy to get me dead anyways <3 Bro wdym this is legit voting for who gets the vig shot? this whole series of posts from them is basically just a town slip btw Sure I think these posts in particular are like randtown to me but literally vades entire d2 iso is just a ridiculous mess to the point where it feels like she is just openwolfing |
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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:20:09 GMT
Like they did that but then like the second that ck started defending them they got like this sudden burst if energy to actually play the game again, really weird. And vade was acting like that when they came back like an hour ago too. tbh forming reads off this is incredibly cringe like even if you want to angleshoot something off it i dont think it amounts to anything ai no i don't agree with this at all i think forming a read off of this type of thing is perfectly fine / makes sense its a read on how a person is acting depending on their position in the game and thats like actually pretty fundamental if vade has literally no WIM when they're scumread but lots of WIM when being defended that's actually worth noting & definitely can be AI |
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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:23:36 GMT
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 19, 2024 2:23:54 GMT
time to reorient myself i guess but a bit confused how uh how has this happened exactly Myan is locked on prod for reasons we still have yet to figure out, STP was on prod to pressure reads apparently and switched to vade recently, vade is on aligning because idfk and prod has developed an SR on peng |
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Post by Fame on Jul 19, 2024 2:25:55 GMT
how are people feeling about this game? use 3 words or less
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Post by PenguinD on Jul 19, 2024 2:26:15 GMT
Prodigu you cant just keep scumreading me by basis of pmeta and not share posts that irk you
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Post by PenguinD on Jul 19, 2024 2:27:00 GMT
vote @pokecartbeast
i still vibe with this read
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 19, 2024 2:27:04 GMT
how are people feeling about this game? use 3 words or less what the fuck |
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 19, 2024 2:27:26 GMT
how are people feeling about this game? use 3 words or less very fucking confused |
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Post by NightEmerald on Jul 19, 2024 2:28:55 GMT
how are people feeling about this game? use 3 words or less fucking triple headache |
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