Too Much Scum- Town Win

[Fenrir]

Jul 25, 2017 0:38:40 GMT clc ironic said:

To uberdogedevourer, Animallover's filler is probably more noticeable from first glance as opposed to everyone else (cause he had 3 posts aside from 1/0 lol)

Interesting how RAD just completely disregarded that he was on Hawkie and immediately switched to xnad with no output on the whole Hawkie scenario. Would want an answer, but right now I'm assuming it was just him trolling in RVS. Though, RAD does make a good point how xnad switched from "Hawkie wagon is ok I don't SR anyone on it to Hawkie wagon is bad these guys are scum". RAD --> neutral xnad --> gonna look out for the bloody doge

I'm not sure if this is clc testing support for a Rad lynch or clc giving a partner an easy out to explain their Hawkie vote, and I'd appreciate comments from others.

[Fenrir]

Jul 25, 2017 2:24:16 GMT Fenrir said:

Jul 24, 2017 18:55:14 GMT clc ironic said:

Hey hawkie talked and made a read
It's a read I agree with
Well that's good for a change
This was a nice post made by me in a minute

He sure did, granted I don't agree with the read. I mentioned above my issue with how he didn't follow up on the Ani ping despite being fairly quick with this one. In fact, this sentence from Hawkie:

"He lynches AnimalLover77 and echoes reasoning that's already been given(by me and other people) and basically says "play better" rather than exploring AnimalLover77 as scum?"

Almost feels like a soft defense of Ani by discrediting the accuser, as it's in my opinion clear that Zest was scumreading Ani.

This (clc's lack of elaboration) also stands out. I don't think this was ever responded to, which has actually been a recurring theme w/ Hawkie this game.

[Fenrir]

Jul 24, 2017 13:04:30 GMT Champ1604 said:

Jul 24, 2017 3:43:35 GMT Fenrir said:

Rad's also pinging me w/ that b/c I feel like that's some God Tier opportunism, but Hawkie's yet to respond so

FoS: RADicate
FoS: Animallover77

Liking clc's proactiveness regarding our discussion. Very slight townlean, although it's easy for scum to fake things like that early on.

Not really blaming anything but it's kinda weird that you share the FoS with person you have a lynch on

Another example of searching for approval/testing the waters very early on.

[Fenrir]

Jul 26, 2017 20:20:20 GMT clc ironic said:

Lynch Kind Kangaroo Killer/ZoL

Well, I'm going to start with pressure on this. Not gonna lynch Champ quite yet since I'm not sold on him being scum and would like his reads before I make a final judgement on him. Zest though has to pick up the slack --- two posts with just one-liners doesn't cut it for me. I'm happy to switch, but since d1 was a massive fail, I guess d2 = pressure again (smh)

Can I just point out this funny comment I saw: 

+Hawkie: If people paid attention games would be better


same

If Zest is scum he's more likely to be werewolf or Lyncher imo; I don't think clc instantly starts Day 1.5 with a push on a partner. The bit about champ incriminates him more and the bit about Hawkie is imo NAI as it reads as someone who's just pissed about the game's inactivity.

[Fenrir]

I'm having to go offline, will return soon.

[clc ironic]

Ah poop,
This is so unfair for the mafia. WW get NK + Cop inspects for ONLY mafia.
BAH

(also might I point out I really wasn't fillering I just wanted a higher post count )

[Fenrir]

Vote Champ1604

This should have died day 1 and I don't feel comfortable with a lurker lynch right now (Do they need subs? Have they been prodded? VigilanteVigoroth can you confirm please?). I'm on mobile, but basically the problem I have with Hawkie's list is that it looks a lot like someone going for low-hanging fruit/easy targets so I want to wait for a response from Hawkie before looking at a lynch on one of them. If we get confirmation from Vigvig that they've been prodded I'll look at a lynch on them more.

[Fenrir]

I'm trying to type out a readlist on mobile, so we'll see how that goes.

[Bomb Moss]

Queen Erotica doesn't need prods, but ZoL hasn't talked for the entirety of day 2. They are the ones that need a prod

[Bomb Moss]

Seconding Fenrir's comment about Hawkie going for low-hanging fruit. Especially if he hasn't explained the reads yet

[Bomb Moss]

Aug 3, 2017 5:56:57 GMT Champ1604 said:

Aug 2, 2017 16:02:53 GMT Fenrir said:

You're actually nowhere near clear of being Mafia either, so why bother trying to clear yourself with that?

More like because I SR'ed ODM, who turned out to be a mafia.

Aug 2, 2017 8:08:17 GMT @chatterseel said:

4. Why Fenrir specifically Champ? 

Well, shouldn't have said it's just Fenrir. But remember this, that Fenrir was more like leading town d1, and was also the most active poster, and his SRs got attention.

And uh Fenrir, I didn't get you. What was the 'rings an alarm' thing? I just wrote the truth. 

And well, you wrote 'narcissistic'. Just in case you don't know, it means:

narcissistic
/ˌnɑːsɪˈsɪstɪk/
adjective
having or showing an excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance.
^{"a narcissistic actress"}

So um. Check the meaning of words before using them.

And one thing - I'm seriously sorry. I totally didn't read this line - 'I'm going to turbo a reread to wager the odds of Lyncher vs Cop cseel now.' by Fenrir. The sorry was no sarcasm. 

But still, where had you 'gone back to re read' in the three three/four posts of cseel? And well, the only reason I read about you supporting cseel was you saying "(their reasoning for the inspect factors into this significantly)". 

And you told me to react on 'Champ: Basically sheeps the general sentiment here, but there's no read.
' right? So I am sheeping you, right? And I'm still surprised. You want me to have a read on these total lurkers?

About XnadrojX, well then yeah right, he didn't even say A THING as to why he is lynching cseel. That's the scummy thing. Besides, two things on that:

1. You brought about the fact that people on PS! and circus (where I have played some forum games before - though mostly was literal lurking - just reading posts) are just totally different and stuff, so take this on you - most people on PS! blindly follow the cop if there's no cc. This IS the sad truth.

2. There's no point in taking time into consideration. This is a forum game, and we don't have a big limitation on time. Take RADicate's post:

Aug 2, 2017 20:08:41 GMT RADicate said:

Nobody ever said to QH, but i have played a total of two other forums games (well two NOCs anyways) and on one of them we have had a couple people just turboed and we wasted valuable discussion time. A person who got inspected as mafia could very well wind up getting suffering that fate. And if im being honest, i thought you were a lot closer to hammer than L-3 (i didnt go back and count). And apparently giving my opinions on what we should be doing is actually useless? By that logic anyone who has ever supported a lynch is scummy and getting behind a lynch is useless. Since this is only L-3 though lynch daddy cosby

This is similar. No potential reason, besides that they are on 'L-3 and it wouldn't matter if I lynch them'. Except that they posted this late. Or I would rather say, it's as if XnadrojX was just passing by on proboards during that time, and lynched the person, and RADicate was locked in his washroom and opened proboards when they got free after some time, saw the cop claim and that they are on a L-3, so just lynched him. 

But yet again, though their reason sucked, RADicate HAD a reason, and XnadrojX didn't. So XnadrojX leaning scum. I got a read Fenrir. Congratulate me Fenrir.

Oh and I noticed one thing. You're really taking deeper meaning of my words. By saying 'What to do' was 'what to do' and not asking for town's approval. It was to display a state of confusion and if you want to include town here, then it was rather asking for consultation than asking for approval. Also also, the last line about not posting until I post.. woah looks like you took that seriously. It's been 7 hours since day 2.5 has started and you haven't posted yet 0_0.

[Deleted]

(I have to prepare for school in a couple of minutes, I will post more later, but I'll just add this into discussion for now)

Even though I am Cop (unless someone thinks I'm Maf bussing), I still would like you guys to still make a read of me as if I'm not clear. I still want to help (you can ask me stuff, say what I can improve on, etc.) and don't want to "lurk" just because I'm clear.

[Bomb Moss]

Aug 3, 2017 14:05:02 GMT Champ1604 said:

Aug 3, 2017 10:10:41 GMT Bomb Moss said:

Champ1604 is pretty much desperately trying to drive everything up against Fenrir now. Some point are relevant to me here so I'm going to address it.

"No potential reason" "They had a reason" "Xnad had no reason"

OK this made me puke blood, because it's just coming in such a desperate manner. Firstly, you contradict yourself by saying RAD had no reason but he had a reason, which just makes me go "What?". Nextly, You mentioned me not having a reason, but it's basically the same as RAD. RAD: "He's at L-3 anyways, a Cop got a guilty on him." Me:"Blah Blah unimportant stuff above, also Cop got guilty on him so I'll just plop a vote there". I know RAD's post is in general more focused on the lynching of clc, but really, you calling it scummy for what you did is stretching it much farther than I can fathom.

"I got a read"

I've got more reads. With better reasoning too. And less desperation for wanting approval for your own decisions.

"You're taking the deeper meaning of my words"

If you wanted to display a state of confusion, then outright say it. Being ambiguous doesn't help at all, and Scum does it to make it easier for them to twist their words to the situation.

"It's been 7 hours"

So why didn't YOU post earlier? Is this anything to complain about? This is just some desperately pulled out fluff to flesh out your post, it serves no purpose but to throw shade at Fenrir, which you have no reason to. I haven't posted in 11 hours, why did YOU not throw shade at me then? Why not all the other lurkers? Why the one guy targetting you gets the shade thrown at?

"I SRed ODM"

Means jack.

Oh well. This sucks - the only thing which is worth replying and original is the first one, others are literally shit and/or unoriginal. But I would still reply to them, because I'm anyways going to sleep in some time, and a have a slight fever so I may be more inactive.

So, what you exactly said:

OK this made me puke blood, because it's just coming in such a desperate manner. Firstly, you contradict yourself by saying RAD had no reason but he had a reason, which just makes me go "What?". Nextly, You mentioned me not having a reason, but it's basically the same as RAD. RAD: "He's at L-3 anyways, a Cop got a guilty on him." Me:"Blah Blah unimportant stuff above, also Cop got guilty on him so I'll just plop a vote there". I know RAD's post is in general more focused on the lynching of clc, but really, you calling it scummy for what you did is stretching it much farther than I can fathom.

What it meant (or I concluded):

You first said that RAD had no reason but then you say he did I mean wut m8? RAD and me have the same reason btw. And and, you can't SR RAD.  

Firstly, from now on, I will call you XrailX (this is liar btw). I actually laughed to see that you're lying to a post just above you. Okay okay, laughing aside, when did I ever say RAD didn't have any reason? You shouldn't lie, XrailX.

Then then, RAD and you have the same reason? You're quite funny. Or wait, I am probably blind or proboards is bugged. I mean, I can't see your reasons.
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Oh oh wait, the reasons were obvious? Sorry sorry, I mean, I consider non-existent things to be non-existent. But still, you tried to apply some sort of game meta and gave a reason for the lynch. 

And then you say I can't lynch RAD. OMG YOU ARE ACTUALLY FUNNY You just became my #5th favorite player. Talk about contradictory (oh wait, even you mentioned a lie about the contradictory in my post, illuminati confirmed), you first say that RAD just said about L-3 and lynched ironic, and then you say that I can't SR RAD. 

Or by this, did you mean that I can't lynch RAD? What, do I need your permission or anything? 

Going ahead to the useless and/or unoriginal posts you made,

You have reads? Congratulations. With better reasoning? XrailX is the perfect name. 

And the most original (sarcasm intended) post - " And less desperation for wanting approval for your own decisions."
Wanting approval, can you not state Fenrir's points and worse, say that without any reason? You read my older post, right? Wanting approval? What shit are you giving me?

"Be straightforward with your words" "Because Scum does it to make it easier for them to twist their words to the situation" Just what sort of scum do you play as? Forget that, as I stated, I just react how I would have reacted (most probably even in real life). Or you would have wanted me to say "I'm in a confused state."?

About the comment on 7 hours, you frickin' didn't get the point why I put it there? Like you complain that I did that to put shade on Fenrir and I didn't put shade on you, your point being? Yeah, it was used in a context to show that their townread is literally doing the same thing and the reason why Fenrir was on you because you said almost the same thing, but just that there was a time difference. 

And are you begging me to SR and attack you, and not Fenrir? And SR the lurkers? That applies to you, your townreads, your scumreads and literally everyone playing. XnadrojX, what the heck is your point?

And I SR'ed ODM means jack yeah, everything will mean jack when you take a phrase out of a line which had a different meaning of it's own. 

And I google'd the meaning of jack to know what you exactly mean, but no meaning did fit, except one. The meaning could be XnadrojX, or I should say, XrailX.

js you can't win a w
2v1 Vs me and Fenrir, so you should just give up. Literally very point here is either bullshit or taken out of context.

I lie? Ironically, that's a lie in itself. 1. I never said you couldn't SR READ, you just put words in my mouth to support your case.
2. SRing ODM means jack, that's a fact. I didn't take it out of context, it was the only line there. The whole sentence meant jack and i took out the key bit.
3. Your post is mostly filler and attacking the person, rather than attacking he argument, which is completely disregardable.
4. Yes, I'm complaining you're putting shade on Fenrir but not on me. It shows your bias to the person pushing you and it's a sign of the desperation scum feel when being scumread for a good reason.
5. I also consider non-existent things to be non-existent. I feel your role PM lacks the green colour.
6. You were the one that contradicted yourself, me quoting what you did is not the same as me saying it.
7. Where was the lie even? What incites you to make me out as a liar barring trying to attack me as a person?
8. I'm giving you the same shit you're giving us, if you want to feed poison to other's eyes, I'm gonna feed poison to yours.
9. Yes, just say that you were confused and all is well.
10. What you did here was basically call me a liar and the start of the post due to me quoting you, then use it to discredit every other point I made.

Holy crap this is the first time I needed to answer 10 things on my phone. Anyways, lazy to destroy it more thoroughly so I'll leave that to Fenrir/Hawkie/whoever comes on

[Champ1604]

well, i'm all up for being lynched today, because I would anyways be subb'ed out if I aren't lynched. And I don't want the my sub to then complain that they didn't get to play much. Well but yeah, just one thing, thanks a lot Fenrir for making the game fun. I really enjoyed it, tbh. This doesn't mean you're town, anyways.

[Deleted]

Oh god. Not defeatism. Anon Game 29 PTSD. You say that as you're definitely going to be lynched? This has turned into a wifom case that no one will want to solve. >_>

Also now.. my pressure vote on Zest is no longer pressure since plur isn't on Zest. @kind Kangaroo Killer please at least notify us if you need a sub, otherwise please post something. Unlynch ZOL for now.

[Fenrir]

Maybe I'm just missing something, but what were you referring to with the first post from Champ you quoted on this page, Xnad? Was it just the "no potential reason"?



"js you can't win a 2v1 Vs me and Fenrir, so you should just give up." for some reason this feels off, like some kind of buddying.

Aug 4, 2017 9:15:53 GMT @chatterseel said:

Oh god. Not defeatism. Anon Game 29 PTSD. You say that as you're definitely going to be lynched? This has turned into a wifom case that no one will want to solve. >_>

Also now.. my pressure vote on Zest is no longer pressure since plur isn't on Zest. @kind Kangaroo Killer please at least notify us if you need a sub, otherwise please post something. Unlynch ZOL for now.

I mean, I'm going to do what should have been done in that case and disregard the wifom entirely. as far as pressure being from plur goes, I'm 300% sure it's a playstyle thing (*cough* vote Kodama N. *cough*) so who knows? Although in this case there's proably a need for a sub.

I'm on a computer for a bit, so let me finally make that readlist.

[Fenrir]

1: Fenrir-Still my Lyncher target, therefore
town.

3: Broken Jukebox -I continually forget Bored exists and when I remember he exists I forget what content he's had. His comment on the "war" between me and Hawkie being useless, while largely true, feels like someone playing the role of mediator to seem like they're contributing. Bomb Moss mentioned slight towny vibes from him, which I don't get and would appreciate more detail on. His first post on page 18 looks a lot like he just skimmed the thread, but I think he's unlikely to be mafia (and thus with ODM) based on it. Werewolf and Lyncher are still possible, but I'd rather find out if he needs a sub first so I'm neutral, leaning scum.

4: snakemaster69 (Hawkie)
-I feel like there's this trend where I mention something about Hawkie, Hawkie shows up and doesn't respond to it, but they do something that spawns another question instead. (If I still have time I'll try to compile a list.) I see gamesolving in their posts, but looking through everything it honestly seems like they're doing the bare minimum to seem active (aside from the d1 back and forth we had which didn't really add anything)-they show up, comment on the current topic being discussed, vote, and exit. There's also the most recent thing I brought up about their list seeming opportunistic, so until there's a response about that I'm leaning scum here. Reading back, you also had Xnad as town d1 and unless I missed it there's no progression to him being a good lynch for today so could you explain that as well?

5: shanice the unicorn (Toni)


7: uberdogedevourer (XnadrojX)


8: Kind Kangaroo Killer (ZestOfLife)
-Has had nothing outside of his early posts D1, and I'm almost certain he needs a sub. I probably sound like a broken record here but while I get the argument of, "He felt pressured to seem active and gave a readlist," I still appreciate that it was a readlist as opposed to complete filler *cough* and I still don't see a problem with his vote on Ani. Neutral until he gets a sub; as I don't think 3 posts from early d1 is enough to go on.

9: i swalla-la-la-There's next to no scum motivation for cseel to claim Cop and risk the cc. 

• Mafia: Bus a partner and leave yourself alone to face an eventual cc.
• Werewolf: Literally no point in drawing that much attention when you could just wait for the real cop to find and get rid of the other scum for you.
• Lyncher: Even if cseel wanted to seem more realistic as cop before going for their target, you'd have to be pretty confident in someone else being mafia specifically (and not werewolf or town) to claim cop without actually being able to inspect.

So yes, I'm pretty sure cseel is town.

10: queen erotica (Champ1604)
-Scum, my problems with this are well documented.

11: THE GREAT GATSBY (RADicate)


This is incomplete, but I'm being forced off. Atm I'm neutral (leaning scum) on Toni, weakly (moderately?) leaning scum on Xnad, and leaning town on Rad. Ideally I can be on very soon to go into more detail.

[RADicate]

Sigh so much for my promised activity bump amirite. i'll be on later tonight to compile a full on readlist. also regarding cseel, he is cop. stop questioning it, WW has no reason to make that play, if he was lyncher that wouldve been his target who got guilted and a cc wouldve happened, if he is mafia bussing now and dealing with cc is a stupid play. This slot holds no scum equity

[VigilanteVigoroth]

Votecount day 2.5

No lynch (0)

Swallala/Chatterseel (0)

Kind Kangaroo Killer/Zestoflife (0)

Shanice the unicorn/Tonithesadthing (0)

Queen Erotica/Champ1604 (2) Bomb Moss Fenrir

Snakemaster69/Hawkie (0)

Fenrir (0)

Uberdogedriver/XnadrojX (0)

Bored6886 (0)

The Great Gatsby/RADicate (0)

Not Voting (7)@chatterseel Hawkie  ZestOfLife RADicate  Champ1604 Crespo BoredGames

Deadline is in 26 hours and 43 minutes at 11PM on August the 5th BST

If deadline was now, Champ1604 would be lynched

(i may have left this open for 10 minutes forgetting to post it kek)

[Fenrir]

Aug 4, 2017 6:33:27 GMT Champ1604 said:

well, i'm all up for being lynched today, because I would anyways be subb'ed out if I aren't lynched. And I don't want the my sub to then complain that they didn't get to play much. Well but yeah, just one thing, thanks a lot Fenrir for making the game fun. I really enjoyed it, tbh. This doesn't mean you're town, anyways.

Looking over it this post on its own is probably more NAI than anything else; I can see it coming from either alignment.

Let's see if I'll be online long enough to go into detail with the reads I didn't get to write out.

[Fenrir]

I'm on mobile but determined to finish this now.

Turns out the thing I thought let people ISO doesn't actually ISO.

There are pages where I have half the posts. I may have a problem.

[Fenrir]

The few things Toni's had look like someone feigning activity by asking for things like a votecount but not following up with any conclusions or comments. His "scumreads" so far have been telling Ani "you're better than this" and stating that ZoL is scummy but he's not going to scumread him. My scumread on him is stronger than the one on ZoL, but I think it's more likely both need subs/prods.

[Fenrir]

This major problem I have with Xnad is the connections to ODM, especially that last second vote placed on him which is off regardless of if they're partners or not. Discounting the single "you're against me and Fenrir" quote I mentioned, I like his back and forth with Champ as well-tbqh I'm not 100% sure why but mindmeld might be the right word. It's not tone or gut, both of which I'm bad at (maybe I'm a decent tone reader? I did it that one time.), but I'm not sure what I'd describe it as.

[Bomb Moss]

2v1 was because literally I don't see you making a 180

[VigilanteVigoroth]

bluegummybear has subbed in for ZestOfLife