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Post by Bomb Moss on Dec 24, 2017 8:22:37 GMT
People need to start talking god damn it.
If one of me, aj, FTF or Citrus dies, the scum is someone who wants the game to stagnate
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Post by Bomb Moss on Dec 24, 2017 8:23:52 GMT
Paint a target on a lurker
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Dec 24, 2017 9:40:59 GMT
>Again, this is PS, 70% of the players can't make reads or aren't really confident in their reads. I'd much prefer a 70% town ten-man party because in the end, the 70% is still town and there's less room for badness, as compared to the chance of the 100% town one-man party to have a crappy read or just do something that fucks with town more than letting scum swing the vote.
If 70% of players can't make reads, then it's still the same 70% that can't make reads that are deciding the vig shot by vote. Just because CVig has final say does not mean that they will not listen to town at all. No one here would be dumb enough to shoot a universal townread as CVig or to not shoot an almost universal scumread as CVig. I say trust the players and let CVig do their thing.
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Dec 24, 2017 10:29:00 GMT
Gonna chime in with a slight problem with if we end up voting the Vigilante. What would he do? Having him shoot the second most voted person would still confirm him as vig. The only solution I can see is
A) leave it up to the Vigilante completely <— pros and cons already explained
B) vote 2 people, and have Vig pick one himself.
This however, combines the issue of scum toying with the Vig shot, and the Vig’s questionable judgement. Therefore I say we just trust the Vigilante to make the shot
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Dec 24, 2017 10:29:25 GMT
By vote, I mean paint him as a target
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Post by Bomb Moss on Dec 24, 2017 11:06:30 GMT
>Again, this is PS, 70% of the players can't make reads or aren't really confident in their reads. I'd much prefer a 70% town ten-man party because in the end, the 70% is still town and there's less room for badness, as compared to the chance of the 100% town one-man party to have a crappy read or just do something that fucks with town more than letting scum swing the vote.If 70% of players can't make reads, then it's still the same 70% that can't make reads that are deciding the vig shot by vote. Just because CVig has final say does not mean that they will not listen to town at all. No one here would be dumb enough to shoot a universal townread as CVig or to not shoot an almost universal scumread as CVig. I say trust the players and let CVig do their thing. 70% of the game aren't good at reads. Pooling their opinions together will make a better read then. Besides, it's not like we can do anything if the Vig really trusts their judgement > the majority reads, at worst we just end up with an Ed. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Dec 24, 2017 11:08:50 GMT
I can see the pros and cons of leaving it up to the vig, but honestly scum has far less voting influence than in practice because scum don't know each other and there aren't that many scum anyways.
But if you guys won't agree to my idea, I guess we could go for a compromise and just have everyone provide opinions for the vig to choose between.
NOW However, the only people the vig should be shooting is the lurkers because shooting an active will just stagnate game further than it already is, regardless of how much you scumread one of the actives.
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Post by Champ1604 on Dec 24, 2017 11:42:40 GMT
XnadrojX, I'm applying playermeta for a bit. Firstly, I'm extremely disappointed over the fact that you are publicly underestimating us while completely overestimating yourself. Really, that's unlike you.
As for plans, assuming that we go for your plan and by majority decide the shot, but still the CV doesn't follow your shot, what will you do? What's the worst you can do? Salt the CV? And how do you think salt is anyhow going to help us scumhunt?
And besides, this game is just going to be f*cked up if we just end up just discussing plans. As for that, I'm fine with a Toni lynch until they come and decide to contribute to the game.
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Post by ajhockeystar on Dec 24, 2017 14:32:46 GMT
Backtracking? I was literally elaborating on my point, lol I just said FOS, not a hard scumread or anything. And that's a scummy opinion imo because mafia then has a say on the nightkill. It is like voting, but scum also has an opinion on voting during the regular day and can affect it. I mean, early game it won't make too much of a difference because scum will likely not know each other, or only like one partner, but imo let's stay away from it. But your method is swingier and highly dependent on the CV's skill. Your method: Completely dependent on CV's skill, but not influencable by scum My method: Able to be slightly swayed by scum, but is otherwise decided by the majority. Everyone else's method: Dependent on the town leader's alignment. As town I'd prefer my method, since I don't want to believe in a random guy's skill and am willing to let scum sway it SLIGHTLY because in the end, town still has the most control over where the shot goes Nothing immediately wrong upon first reads. I would recommend a strategy of town not having any say whatsoever in what compulsive vigilante does, so mafia cannot alter their behavior. Let a 100% town one-man party decide the shot, not a 70% town ten-man party. Mafia does not have their buddies sniffed out; let's keep it that way. Lynch Toni because lynching is good statistics. Again, this is PS, 70% of the players can't make reads or aren't really confident in their reads. I'd much prefer a 70% town ten-man party because in the end, the 70% is still town and there's less room for badness, as compared to the chance of the 100% town one-man party to have a crappy read or just do something that fucks with town more than letting scum swing the vote. OK So here's the thing: And individual in the game is bound to have different reads from everyone else. By not roping them, they're going to end up shooting a controversial read or slot, and waste half the day discussing it. But by letting everyone vote, we reduce this swinginess in the form of majority voting in exchange for scum having some sway over the lynch. Now, 7 people is still going to be a larger number that 3 people, meaning ultimately, town has the bigger say over who dies, and having 7 opinions meshing is better than one stray opinion who may be a massive outlier. On top of that, it gives us more material to look back on, as a second VC, there's more VCA potential since we have 2 voting systems, scum will find it harder to escape the clutches of a good VCA 70%? Well, looking at the player list, I'd say everyone is more than capable. This isn't chatroom mafia where there are new players. This is also why I trust the vig, Bomb Moss. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Dec 24, 2017 16:09:36 GMT
XnadrojX, I'm applying playermeta for a bit. Firstly, I'm extremely disappointed over the fact that you are publicly underestimating us while completely overestimating yourself. Really, that's unlike you. As for plans, assuming that we go for your plan and by majority decide the shot, but still the CV doesn't follow your shot, what will you do? What's the worst you can do? Salt the CV? And how do you think salt is anyhow going to help us scumhunt? And besides, this game is just going to be f*cked up if we just end up just discussing plans. As for that, I'm fine with a Toni lynch until they come and decide to contribute to the game. I'm not underestimating anyone. I'm just saying that doubtless a majority reads is going to be superior to a individual's reads. And as I said, there's nothing we can do if the vig decides to shoot his own scumread. Read what I said in my other post. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Dec 24, 2017 16:10:57 GMT
Backtracking? I was literally elaborating on my point, lol But your method is swingier and highly dependent on the CV's skill. Your method: Completely dependent on CV's skill, but not influencable by scum My method: Able to be slightly swayed by scum, but is otherwise decided by the majority. Everyone else's method: Dependent on the town leader's alignment. As town I'd prefer my method, since I don't want to believe in a random guy's skill and am willing to let scum sway it SLIGHTLY because in the end, town still has the most control over where the shot goes Again, this is PS, 70% of the players can't make reads or aren't really confident in their reads. I'd much prefer a 70% town ten-man party because in the end, the 70% is still town and there's less room for badness, as compared to the chance of the 100% town one-man party to have a crappy read or just do something that fucks with town more than letting scum swing the vote. OK So here's the thing: And individual in the game is bound to have different reads from everyone else. By not roping them, they're going to end up shooting a controversial read or slot, and waste half the day discussing it. But by letting everyone vote, we reduce this swinginess in the form of majority voting in exchange for scum having some sway over the lynch. Now, 7 people is still going to be a larger number that 3 people, meaning ultimately, town has the bigger say over who dies, and having 7 opinions meshing is better than one stray opinion who may be a massive outlier. On top of that, it gives us more material to look back on, as a second VC, there's more VCA potential since we have 2 voting systems, scum will find it harder to escape the clutches of a good VCA 70%? Well, looking at the player list, I'd say everyone is more than capable. This isn't chatroom mafia where there are new players. This is also why I trust the vig, Bomb Moss . OK Maybe I was being a little harsh on the "70% can't make reads". But a majority reads is still definitely more accurate than an individual's |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Dec 24, 2017 16:18:32 GMT
okay i got a wild ass idea but I'm too lazy to think of pros and cons. Y'all wanna hypo roleblocks?
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Dec 24, 2017 17:43:46 GMT
The roleblocker is mafia
That is only helpful to mafia
lynch ForgottoFlush
For suggesting a strategy that benefits mafia
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Dec 24, 2017 19:34:45 GMT
No think about it, if the role blocker flips it can work in our favour
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Dec 24, 2017 19:51:18 GMT
Lemme shoot a hypothetical:
Say the rber manages to block the comp vig every night. If the hypo goes as expected then when the vig claims we know exactly who was doing what. Although it is about as shaky as Megan's soft signal plans so I'm not too attached.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Dec 24, 2017 23:37:43 GMT
Flusher, hypoing roleblocker won't do shit. You're expecting Traitor RB to give real blocks, which I doubt would happen. Even if RBs are hypo'ed succesfully, other Traitors will have some idea of who Traitor RB is before the flip, since they are the only ones besides Comp Vig who have night actions, which puts town at a disadvantage. Too many cons, not enough pros.
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Post by Fenrir on Dec 25, 2017 0:08:03 GMT
Votecount 1.3******************************Toni(3)- @howdoitagyou , ScorrchingTheaph , Citrus Freak ajhockeystar(2)- Durza , ForgotToFlush Thunder~BALLZ(1)- Bomb Moss Bringer of Chaos, Zeke(1)- ajhockeystar ForgotToFlush(1)- VigilanteVigoroth VigilanteVigoroth(0)-cseel(0)-Agent Orange(0)-Champ∞1604 (0)-ScorrchingTheaph(0)-Bitcoin Baby(0)-Not Voting(3)- Champ1604 , qtball , Crespo ******************************There are 11 alive so it takes 6 to hammer. Plurality applies. Deadline is Sunday the 24th at 7pm EST. Toni was lynched. They were a: Vanilla Townie Night 1 commence! Deadline is Tuesday the 26th at 7pm EST.
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Post by Fenrir on Dec 27, 2017 0:05:22 GMT
The death of last night was of... ForgotToFlush the Traitor Roleblocker Cop. Day 2 Commence!
Votecount 2.0
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cseel(0)-
Agent Orange(0)-
Bringer of Chaos, Zeke(0)-
Champ∞1604(0)-
Thunder~BALLZ(0)-
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ajhockeystar(0)-
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Not Voting(9)- @howdoitagyou , Durza , Bomb Moss , Champ1604 , qtball , VigilanteVigoroth , ajhockeystar , ScorrchingTheaph , Citrus Freak ******************************There are 9 alive so it takes 5 to hammer. Plurality applies. Deadline is Friday the 29th at 7pm EST. |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Dec 27, 2017 0:21:19 GMT
I want the Vig's Babies
Everyone say "I want Vig's babies"
since he shot scum c:
OR SHE but guys are generally better at things than girls
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 0:55:03 GMT
I want the Vig's Babies Everyone say "I want Vig's babies" since he shot scum c: OR SHE but guys are generally better at things than girls And you're outing yourself just to brag, right? Despite the fact that a 1-shot vigilante still exists and that a town leader at this point in the game does absolutely nothing for us? Doubt it. This is scumhinting. Lynch VigVig |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Dec 27, 2017 0:56:24 GMT
im not outing myself what
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Dec 27, 2017 0:56:39 GMT
im not vig
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Dec 27, 2017 0:59:53 GMT
lynch VigVig
TURBOOOO
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Dec 27, 2017 1:28:51 GMT
BROOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 2:10:22 GMT
I misread your post >.> nevermind, that wasn't a claim Unlynch VigVig |
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