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Post by Bomb Moss on Jan 15, 2018 10:24:14 GMT
Also remember to take into consideration that some town might want to win vie the cultrod rather than their standard wincon, so town-leaders might end up being scum (Emmy lookin' at you) moreso than in other themes. There aren't really any good substance to read of rn but Darnell rings town in the very few posts he has, so does Fenrir (but then again he always does until he decides to do something crazy (Emmy...)). I don't get all the SRs on VigVig, "trying to look useful" is being more useful than "has not spoken" DreamsXVote Puppy TacticianGut scumread. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jan 15, 2018 10:25:38 GMT
Okay, couldn't post for a while because I had to sleep and then go to school, sorry :c I read through - Fenrir, it was RVS at first, but I was a little uncomfortable with randlynching - because I didn't know anything everyone else didn't know, and if I didn't post afterwards, it wouldn't be good because I couldn't just randlynch and lurk. As I also mentioned, I had a lot of time to think about it Plus, as you said, not many people had posted by then. At the time of my second post, it wasn't really RVS, and I needed some real scumreads. I might be overthinking everything, because this is my first forum Mafia game (and probably my first actual Mafia game in a while :^) ) But here are my reads~ I'm getting a slight SR on vigvig, because honestly, I feel like he was trying too hard to get to feel useful or look like he's done something. It's only a gut-read, though, and it could change according to the things he'll post later Mostly a town read on Fenrir, because he seems like he's actually contributing, constantly posting and he looks like he isn't trying too hard - asking questions that I wouldn't even think of. Or he could just be skilled scum - but I'm leaning towards town I'm pretty neutral towards Champ and OM Room, but I have a slight SR on Puppy (a gut-read with a lot of things combined together that are hard to name), and I'm just plain confused with Scorrch ;w; I tried reading him, but it was pretty hard, because everything was just so neutral to me that I can't see through anything. I can get what he's trying to say in a few posts, and there are different towny and scummy things about it clashing that leave it hard for me to read D: I'll completely make up my mind with the rest of the reads and post em later Sorry for such a long post! But I wanted to mention everything I've seen so far, and if I could contribute more towards talking about the whole setup and who should claim and all, I would - but I know absolutely nothing that everyone else doesn't know yet :c I guess I'll learn that gradually as I play more Mafia Plonk a vote on someone maybe? Forum mafia gives you more leeway to wave your vote around since long deadlines. |
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Post by Wob on Jan 15, 2018 10:56:35 GMT
fen is prob scum he doesnt tryhard this much as town lol Hold on there pal what? im serious. did you not see penelope in psanon? that shit was insane and he shouldve won tbh. on the other hand when he rolled ed s the vig he seemed more interested in killing town than anything. |
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Post by Wob on Jan 15, 2018 10:57:43 GMT
yeah just reread the SK rolepm in the op and it says 3 kills u mean u just reread your own sk rolepm? |
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Post by peachu on Jan 15, 2018 11:01:03 GMT
n-no
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jan 15, 2018 11:46:28 GMT
<jumbo>the SK is 3-Shot SK, meaning SK only gets 3 kills if im interpreting it correctly. This would mean that SK would likely save up a kill for n5 for Lrod + Bgoo
JOAT [1+1+1]=[3]
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jan 15, 2018 11:46:46 GMT
~scorrch
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jan 15, 2018 14:11:14 GMT
im serious. did you not see penelope in psanon? that shit was insane and he shouldve won tbh. on the other hand when he rolled ed s the vig he seemed more interested in killing town than anything. how about every other forum game? |
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Post by Champ1604 on Jan 15, 2018 14:50:50 GMT
Series of posts coming up. Edit: Ended up being an ISO for Fenrir. Post #40990 by FenrirI am quite unsure why you are being so naive towards VigilanteVigoroth in the late-areas of your post. Sure, I'll buy that the points you mentioned are valid in the early-parts of the post, but to answer your question and forming a question towards you, why do you question jumbowhales' sole word choice but not VigilanteVigoroth bringing up 5 posts and giving an aggressive 'what', while all they had been voted over few reasons, considerably RVS'd? And as for TBz, it's due to the fact that their post was posted after VigilanteVigoroth's reaction post and Sparkli's post, considerably showing us that things have happened in town, while the others you mentioned, notable DBW had posted before anything worth seriously commenting had happened. Post #41004 by Fenrir (I am skipping ScorrchingTheaph's post since I'm understanding little from what ScorrchingTheaph is actually saying.) Soo.. Scum.. will want to die? I understand your point if it's a 'fakeclaim when at l-1', but other than that, I don't really get it. As for your whole post, I would scrap it by giving it an NAI if anything lean scum, it's weird but I don't get what's the point in telling us that Beloved Princess is in danger.. we know that, we accept it and we are afraid of it. Also, you don't realise the threat of mafia themselves killing Beloved Princess. I'm pretty sure that the Mafia would simply not be afraid of the cult. Another thing I learnt from this post is that at any given point, we can hypo Beloved Princess in order to prevent from scum from fakeclaiming that. That works, Fenrir? |
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Post by Fenrir on Jan 15, 2018 15:09:21 GMT
Thank you for the post stronk independent hamster ^_^ Bomb Moss I'll have you know that Emmy did nothing wrong. (She did, actually-many things wrong-but shh!) Whales smh, what d'you think of mine and Darnell's votes against you? Champ1604 , it's not really Whales's word choice I'm questioning so much as it is their overall reaction. Like I mentioned earlier, Vigvig's reaction is a null-tell to me because (1) I don't find it that aggressive (in part because it's such a short response) and (2) even if it is aggressive aggression in itself isn't a sign of either alignment. Re:41004: I'm saying that if, for example, scum is at L-1, Beloved Princess is almost guaranteed to get the lynch off them and enable them to survive at least 1 more night-possibly more if the scum factions agree that having the extra day phase for a lynch is helpful. I did mention the chance of Mafia killing the Princess-in response to one of Vigvig's earlier posts, actually: ok a few thoughts We HAVE to get rid of the cultist theres no way any faction is gonna reach a majority before n5 Because of this, Beloved Princess is very neg utility. My suggestion is that whoever is the Beloved Princess claims, and we hope scum arent stupid, because we need as many possible deaths as possible before n5, maximising our chances of getting rid of the cultist I mean, Beloved Princess's always negative utility. Them claiming might be a valid strategy; my only reservation is that there's no incentive for scum to not kill them down the road if we successfully lynch the cultist early on. Perhaps the Princess should just claim if they're about to be lynched? Yes, there's a chance they'll end up being nightkilled, but as there are currently 16 players there's a relatively low chance the Princess will end up the lynch target and thus they may be able to stay hidden. Beloved Princess being in danger is something of a given; I brought it up for the purpose of advocating that they not claim since people seemed content to ignore that point. We definitely could hypo Beloved Princess, although I don't see what it would accomplish. It doesn't leave scum any more confused than it would if we didn't, and besides, while scum does have a 1-shot Strongman ability, we do have two doctors and the chance that the Strongman will be expended elsewhere or die before they can use it. (No, we won't know when/if that happens, but if there's a Beloved Princess claim at least one of the doctors should be on it.) |
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Post by Rocky Tactician on Jan 15, 2018 15:35:29 GMT
Are you implying there's nobody in this game dumb enough to do that? Smh. Stop trying to block my mind games. I'm confused. What "mind games" were you trying to play? After lightningrod dies, mafia kills survivor. Town profits. I was hoping to bait kill towards survivor, though clearly that's not going to happen now. |
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Post by Champ1604 on Jan 15, 2018 15:35:35 GMT
Post #40997 by Rocky TacticianThis post seems pretty much seems to be slightly scummy, more or less because of the first line and their word choice, however it's more of a lean on the first line since word choice isn't something I should fish at. I mean, Puppy Tactician, if we are 'disguising' an RVS vote, won't be helpful since it can get better reactions and get reads more easily? Besides, what made you feel that someone is 'hiding their RVS' vote? As for your 'second' point, I'm not a big fan of your word choice. What's up with that much aggression on the Solar God? There are other worse possible situations here, if you would notice. Post #41007 & Post Post #41016 by Rocky Tactician Seems two scummy posts. First post seems like he's trying to, somehow, avoid the survivor from claiming. I could very call it a town trying to figure out all possibilities and to avoid any issues later, but what made me reconsider that is the second post, which very well showed me that you are rather trying to hide your mistake, which I don't think any town really needs to do, since there's no harm in admitting that you were just trying to explore all possibilities out there. Your opinion, Puppy? Lynch Puppy Tactician |
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Post by Rocky Tactician on Jan 15, 2018 15:42:53 GMT
Okay, couldn't post for a while because I had to sleep and then go to school, sorry :c I read through - Fenrir, it was RVS at first, but I was a little uncomfortable with randlynching - because I didn't know anything everyone else didn't know, and if I didn't post afterwards, it wouldn't be good because I couldn't just randlynch and lurk. As I also mentioned, I had a lot of time to think about it Plus, as you said, not many people had posted by then. At the time of my second post, it wasn't really RVS, and I needed some real scumreads. I might be overthinking everything, because this is my first forum Mafia game (and probably my first actual Mafia game in a while :^) )But here are my reads~ I'm getting a slight SR on vigvig, because honestly, I feel like he was trying too hard to get to feel useful or look like he's done something. It's only a gut-read, though, and it could change according to the things he'll post laterMostly a town read on Fenrir, because he seems like he's actually contributing, constantly posting and he looks like he isn't trying too hard - asking questions that I wouldn't even think of. Or he could just be skilled scum - but I'm leaning towards town I'm pretty neutral towards Champ and OM Room, but I have a slight SR on Puppy (a gut-read with a lot of things combined together that are hard to name), and I'm just plain confused with Scorrch ;w; I tried reading him, but it was pretty hard, because everything was just so neutral to me that I can't see through anything. I can get what he's trying to say in a few posts, and there are different towny and scummy things about it clashing that leave it hard for me to read D: I'll completely make up my mind with the rest of the reads and post em later Sorry for such a long post! But I wanted to mention everything I've seen so far, and if I could contribute more towards talking about the whole setup and who should claim and all, I would - but I know absolutely nothing that everyone else doesn't know yet :c I guess I'll learn that gradually as I play more Mafia Here's how I read this post. First off, I do agree with your VigVig reasoning, though it seems like you're picking off something easy/something other people have already said to push. Second, why does contributing make someone town? Scum can "contribute" too, there's no rule that scum has to post useless info for the entire game. Third, I don't care how hard these things are to name, I want your reasoning. Don't cop out and just say "a lot of things combined together", we want your actual reasoning. That's how lazy people play mafia. Last, this isn't a long post. See PSAnon for the definition of a long post. I'd like it if you could respond to my inquiries n_n |
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Post by Rocky Tactician on Jan 15, 2018 15:47:44 GMT
Post #40997 by Rocky Tactician This post seems pretty much seems to be slightly scummy, more or less because of the first line and their word choice, however it's more of a lean on the first line since word choice isn't something I should fish at. I mean, Puppy Tactician, if we are 'disguising' an RVS vote, won't be helpful since it can get better reactions and get reads more easily? Besides, what made you feel that someone is 'hiding their RVS' vote? As for your 'second' point, I'm not a big fan of your word choice. What's up with that much aggression on the Solar God? There are other worse possible situations here, if you would notice. Post #41007 & Post Post #41016 by Rocky Tactician Seems two scummy posts. First post seems like he's trying to, somehow, avoid the survivor from claiming. I could very call it a town trying to figure out all possibilities and to avoid any issues later, but what made me reconsider that is the second post, which very well showed me that you are rather trying to hide your mistake, which I don't think any town really needs to do, since there's no harm in admitting that you were just trying to explore all possibilities out there. Your opinion, Puppy? Lynch Puppy Tactician First off, it seriously seems like you're lynching me because of my "word choice". Is that actually legitimate reasoning? Or are you just throwing that in there to make me seem scummier? Second, I don't think I was ever trying to hide my mistake. I don't know that the survivor needs to claim quite yet, though I realize now that mafia might end up wasting a kill on them, so I'm just going to go ahead and... Claim OS Solar God.I feel this claim only helps town and don't see why mafia would want to waste a kill on a survivor, which doesn't directly align with any faction. I don't see why any scum would want to CC, since it would go completely against their wincon, so do what you will. I don't think I was looking at this from the right perspective until Champ completely tore my posts apart. |
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Post by Fenrir on Jan 15, 2018 16:03:00 GMT
Started working on a readlist and noticed that I have an absurd amount of neutral/null reads, and then even the more definite reads I can form have very little to be based on. What I have so far isn't even so much a readlist so much as it is "Player X: Has done these things, I have these questions." This makes me sad. And also nervous because it's page 8 and deadline's in I'm-not-sure-but-I-think-less-than-24-hours. tonithetourguide, RADicate, Darnell, BoredGames, DreamsX, and qtball should all talk to us more. D: |
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Post by qtball on Jan 15, 2018 16:03:38 GMT
Kudos to champ for reminding me this existed I'm on mobile so once I'm not I'll read more into this
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Post by Fenrir on Jan 15, 2018 16:21:07 GMT
IT'S ANALYZING QUESTIONS TIME! I was looking forward to using this:  But I'll settle for:  's posts so far, despite being frequent, haven't had anything indicating their reads on others with the exception of a singular comment on Whales. There's a disproportionate amount of setup-talk here, and a lot of it is either a restatement of something else or obvious. He was also one of the people proposing that the Princess claim ("Princess should be safe") but now seems to have dropped that line of thought entirely in order to focus on the Survivor, who if they've been reading the thread knows for sure at this point that they should. OM~! 's a neutral read for me currently, as all he currently has are his comments on Vigvig. Should come back and talk to us more-I promise Ed wasn't that bad.  VigilanteVigoroth 's neutral as I mentioned before. If anything his reaction to OM feels genuinely frustrated, which as I mentioned above can come from any alignment. His other posts are setup-focused but came at a time when there wasn't that much to comment on to begin with-get in here, we're on page 8 ;-;. Fenrir  Ed did nothing wrong. : This slot's getting another post dedicated to it. One thing I'll say right now is that I don't believe that Survivor claim. peachu jumbowhales is probably my strongest scumread. I mentioned why a while ago now; the only thing making me question it is how little they have overall. I very much want his thoughts on the votes on him, as it's notable that despite his initial reaction to Darnell's reaction to his vote there's been little followup on it. Champ1604 gives off town vibes tonally and I like the line of questioning they take in their first post on page 8 (I'm bad and don't know how to do the ##### thing). What're your thoughts on user: jumbowhales? Bomb Moss : Now that you've got a "decrpytion" of Scorrching's posts, what do you think of them? Or some of the others? Wob: I'm not liking DBW entering to a decent amount of things to reply to and just giving a one-liner of "Fenrir doesn't tryhard this much as town." First off I didn't even tryhard as Penelope smh. I initially thought it was a joke, but then you went on with "I'm serious," only to say two sentences later that "when he rolled ed s the vig he seemed more interested in killing town than anything," which doesn't have anything to do with the effort level. I can't tell if it's serious or not and also wouldn't mind your responses to the things I mentioned in my posts as opposed to their volume. Also as a general note to both you and Xnad I guess, it's indeed possible for the more active players (I'm not even "leading" town imo) to be scum, but with that logic alone you can attempt to lead a lynch on just about anyone. stronk independent hamster tbh feels like town. I mentioned earlier thinking that as scum they would feel pressured to place a randvote due to site norms, and the fact that they haven't, combined with their response on why they didn't in their first post, reads as someone who genuinely isn't quite sure what to do atm. |
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Post by Fenrir on Jan 15, 2018 16:22:36 GMT
Huh. I might be having too much fun with these GIFs.  |
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Post by Champ1604 on Jan 15, 2018 16:23:53 GMT
Post #41058 by FenrirFrom reading your response on whales, I have realised that either we see things really differently, or that you are really buddying VigilanteVigoroth, which I believe that you wouldn't do for this long if you are actually buddying. And yes, I do get your point that and I'll admit that my hypo plan was rather wrong, but my opinion of yours hasn't really changed that much. It feels a bit that you are somehow trying to overexplain things, but I would keep it aside for now. Post #41062 by Rocky TacticianWell, I think I made my reasoning more clear, but glad to see that I least completed one objective that way. You could have also not said that I scraped off your plans, those words hurt me ;-;. Post #41061 by Rocky TacticianIf it was not for the survivor claim, I would more or less consider the post scummy. I will agree I'm being naive towards Sparkli purely out of playermeta and that I'll actually read their post tomorrow, but what I do dislike is about contributing. Contributing specifically means helping town, and if you were asked to choose between a lurker and an active player as a day one lynch, least I would choose the lurker. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 15, 2018 16:24:07 GMT
Final pre eod votecount in about 5 hours
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Post by Fenrir on Jan 15, 2018 16:39:16 GMT
Post #40997 by Rocky Tactician This post seems pretty much seems to be slightly scummy, more or less because of the first line and their word choice, however it's more of a lean on the first line since word choice isn't something I should fish at. I mean, Puppy Tactician, if we are 'disguising' an RVS vote, won't be helpful since it can get better reactions and get reads more easily? Besides, what made you feel that someone is 'hiding their RVS' vote? As for your 'second' point, I'm not a big fan of your word choice. What's up with that much aggression on the Solar God? There are other worse possible situations here, if you would notice. Post #41007 & Post Post #41016 by Rocky Tactician Seems two scummy posts. First post seems like he's trying to, somehow, avoid the survivor from claiming. I could very call it a town trying to figure out all possibilities and to avoid any issues later, but what made me reconsider that is the second post, which very well showed me that you are rather trying to hide your mistake, which I don't think any town really needs to do, since there's no harm in admitting that you were just trying to explore all possibilities out there. Your opinion, Puppy? Lynch Puppy Tactician First off, it seriously seems like you're lynching me because of my "word choice". Is that actually legitimate reasoning? Or are you just throwing that in there to make me seem scummier? Second, I don't think I was ever trying to hide my mistake. I don't know that the survivor needs to claim quite yet, though I realize now that mafia might end up wasting a kill on them, so I'm just going to go ahead and... Claim OS Solar God.I feel this claim only helps town and don't see why mafia would want to waste a kill on a survivor, which doesn't directly align with any faction. I don't see why any scum would want to CC, since it would go completely against their wincon, so do what you will. I don't think I was looking at this from the right perspective until Champ completely tore my posts apart.Right, so I'll start this off by pointing out the glaring error: the Survivor Solar God is 2-shot. Now that that's done... Your response to Champ's comment on word choice feels disproportionate, considering that Champ immediately followed it up with "it's more of a lean on the first line since word choice isn't something I should fish at. " Your immediate reaction is to question its legitimacy anyway and propose that Champ just threw it in to make you look scummy, which reads as more of an attempt to discredit your accuser than defend yourself from what they're bringing up. I'm undecided on the "hide my mistake comment," but it would help if you'd explain what "mind games" you were trying to play. Using your introduction post to aggressively declare that you'll turbo the Survivor if they end the day early doesn't exactly convince me that you're Survivor. Scum would want to cc for just about every reason mentioned by Scorrching as well as the fact that town won't focus on them as a lynch target. Mafia PGO in particular benefits from being seen as a "safe Tourist target" for obvious reasons. Despite all of this, I'm keeping my vote on Whales currently and would appreciate if someone on Puppy could also shift to Whales. As the Survivor's Solar God ability is 2-shot, there's an easy way to determine if Puppy is in fact the Survivor, which involves voting someone who isn't Puppy and having him end the day early on them. If the day doesn't end it indicates that Puppy is lying and didn't have the ability to do so. If the day is ended early in this way, Puppy is the ideal safe Tourist target. If not, I propose visiting either your strongest townread or a player who didn't place a vote (as the Survivor in this setup is also voteless). I personally recommend visiting townreads, as there are a considerable number of players who haven't voted. |
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Post by stronk independent hamster on Jan 15, 2018 17:06:41 GMT
Okay, couldn't post for a while because I had to sleep and then go to school, sorry :c I read through - Fenrir, it was RVS at first, but I was a little uncomfortable with randlynching - because I didn't know anything everyone else didn't know, and if I didn't post afterwards, it wouldn't be good because I couldn't just randlynch and lurk. As I also mentioned, I had a lot of time to think about it Plus, as you said, not many people had posted by then. At the time of my second post, it wasn't really RVS, and I needed some real scumreads. I might be overthinking everything, because this is my first forum Mafia game (and probably my first actual Mafia game in a while :^) )But here are my reads~ I'm getting a slight SR on vigvig, because honestly, I feel like he was trying too hard to get to feel useful or look like he's done something. It's only a gut-read, though, and it could change according to the things he'll post laterMostly a town read on Fenrir, because he seems like he's actually contributing, constantly posting and he looks like he isn't trying too hard - asking questions that I wouldn't even think of. Or he could just be skilled scum - but I'm leaning towards town I'm pretty neutral towards Champ and OM Room, but I have a slight SR on Puppy (a gut-read with a lot of things combined together that are hard to name), and I'm just plain confused with Scorrch ;w; I tried reading him, but it was pretty hard, because everything was just so neutral to me that I can't see through anything. I can get what he's trying to say in a few posts, and there are different towny and scummy things about it clashing that leave it hard for me to read D: I'll completely make up my mind with the rest of the reads and post em later Sorry for such a long post! But I wanted to mention everything I've seen so far, and if I could contribute more towards talking about the whole setup and who should claim and all, I would - but I know absolutely nothing that everyone else doesn't know yet :c I guess I'll learn that gradually as I play more Mafia Here's how I read this post. First off, I do agree with your VigVig reasoning, though it seems like you're picking off something easy/something other people have already said to push. Second, why does contributing make someone town? Scum can "contribute" too, there's no rule that scum has to post useless info for the entire game. Third, I don't care how hard these things are to name, I want your reasoning. Don't cop out and just say "a lot of things combined together", we want your actual reasoning. That's how lazy people play mafia. Last, this isn't a long post. See PSAnon for the definition of a long post. I'd like it if you could respond to my inquiries n_n 1. Nope. I thought it seemed a bit off to me right when I saw the post, but then I was a little doubtful because maybe something like it was pretty important to town. I don't know how everyone else's mind works - so when I saw that it was not very useful, as mentioned by others and it was known to everyone, I found it a bit scummy that he would post just that x.x 2. Scum can contribute, yes, true. But all the posts looked like he wasn't afraid to post at all, even with the chance he looks scummy, but as I said, I could just be a naive newbie, so I can't be completely sure about this :c 3. You know how sometimes some things seem off, but you can't exactly put your finger on it? Yeah, that. I don't know what things are exactly normal to do and which things aren't in a game, but I'll try my best to give you some reasoning !_! - your first two posts were some pretty obvious things that I knew - and I'm pretty sure everyone else knew it too, so it looked a little filler to me the posts seemed a little aggressive too - maybe it was just pressuring, but it seemed a little over-the-top and the whole style with which you said everything rubbed me the wrong way, and it contributed but now that you claimed, it doesn't really matter much, except for everyone else to read me 4. ack, sorry :c don't have much experience, so I don't know the standard gotta sleep now, will be posting more tomorrow |
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Post by RADicate on Jan 15, 2018 17:48:27 GMT
I do exist and apologize for my inactivity, if i had to make an excuse it would be work but i had plenty of time to go play Overwatch so i dont really think that works.
But first and foremost.
IF PUPPY IS NOT THE FINAL LYNCH TARGET FOR TODAY, I WANT PUPPY ENDING EARLY TODAY!!!!!!! I dont trust that claim in the slightest to be blunt, but if you dont end it early today puppy, legit even 10 minutes early would be fine, I heavily reccomend a lynch on that tommorow.
Also on the note that the survivor should claim, am 100% in favor of it. On a more obvious note i am not the survivor.
also @wob you would be hard pressed to find any game where fen isnt over the top tryharding, why is that a scumtell now?
I do have more to say but i gtg. Be back this evening probs around 7-8 pm EST
Gotta get ready for work rn though.
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Post by BoredGames on Jan 15, 2018 18:57:57 GMT
Post #40997 by Rocky Tactician This post seems pretty much seems to be slightly scummy, more or less because of the first line and their word choice, however it's more of a lean on the first line since word choice isn't something I should fish at. I mean, Puppy Tactician, if we are 'disguising' an RVS vote, won't be helpful since it can get better reactions and get reads more easily? Besides, what made you feel that someone is 'hiding their RVS' vote? As for your 'second' point, I'm not a big fan of your word choice. What's up with that much aggression on the Solar God? There are other worse possible situations here, if you would notice. Post #41007 & Post Post #41016 by Rocky Tactician Seems two scummy posts. First post seems like he's trying to, somehow, avoid the survivor from claiming. I could very call it a town trying to figure out all possibilities and to avoid any issues later, but what made me reconsider that is the second post, which very well showed me that you are rather trying to hide your mistake, which I don't think any town really needs to do, since there's no harm in admitting that you were just trying to explore all possibilities out there. Your opinion, Puppy? Lynch Puppy Tactician First off, it seriously seems like you're lynching me because of my "word choice". Is that actually legitimate reasoning? Or are you just throwing that in there to make me seem scummier? Second, I don't think I was ever trying to hide my mistake. I don't know that the survivor needs to claim quite yet, though I realize now that mafia might end up wasting a kill on them, so I'm just going to go ahead and... Claim OS Solar God.I feel this claim only helps town and don't see why mafia would want to waste a kill on a survivor, which doesn't directly align with any faction. I don't see why any scum would want to CC, since it would go completely against their wincon, so do what you will. I don't think I was looking at this from the right perspective until Champ completely tore my posts apart.Right, so I'll start this off by pointing out the glaring error: the Survivor Solar God is 2-shot. Now that that's done... Your response to Champ's comment on word choice feels disproportionate, considering that Champ immediately followed it up with "it's more of a lean on the first line since word choice isn't something I should fish at. " Your immediate reaction is to question its legitimacy anyway and propose that Champ just threw it in to make you look scummy, which reads as more of an attempt to discredit your accuser than defend yourself from what they're bringing up. I'm undecided on the "hide my mistake comment," but it would help if you'd explain what "mind games" you were trying to play. Using your introduction post to aggressively declare that you'll turbo the Survivor if they end the day early doesn't exactly convince me that you're Survivor. Scum would want to cc for just about every reason mentioned by Scorrching as well as the fact that town won't focus on them as a lynch target. Mafia PGO in particular benefits from being seen as a "safe Tourist target" for obvious reasons. Despite all of this, I'm keeping my vote on Whales currently and would appreciate if someone on Puppy could also shift to Whales. As the Survivor's Solar God ability is 2-shot, there's an easy way to determine if Puppy is in fact the Survivor, which involves voting someone who isn't Puppy and having him end the day early on them. If the day doesn't end it indicates that Puppy is lying and didn't have the ability to do so. If the day is ended early in this way, Puppy is the ideal safe Tourist target. If not, I propose visiting either your strongest townread or a player who didn't place a vote (as the Survivor in this setup is also voteless). I personally recommend visiting townreads, as there are a considerable number of players who haven't voted. Ok, so first my apologies for not posting before today, i'll try and give a more detailed post covering more things than the things i have quoted, i may not have time until d2 of this game tho (assuming i live to day 2). Now, let me start off with these quotes. So first thing first word choice can be a legitimate reason, but should be combined with better reasoning to be considered an actual reason to sr someone. Champ by their own admission points out that word choice shouldn't be "fished at". Yet puppy's immediate reaction is to go full throttle on the word choice, which champ isn't really going on at, it's more the aggression on the solar god stuff and the content of the next 2 posts about him covering his mistakes. Now, i'm going to admit i have only skimread and i'll have to check these posts out champ linked to fully understand the scenario, so i may have to correct this post later on. Now the biggy, puppy claiming OS solar god. Why is this a big deal? Well, look at the 2nd quote, where it specifically states that the solar god is 2S. So, what does this mean? Well, it means either puppy is 1-fakeclaiming as scum to try and get people off of them, 2-is actually the surv but forgot how many shots he's got or 3-something else i haven't considered yet. Now, puppy is experienced enough to have remembered his role, check his role pm before posting or correct his mistake as soon as he realised, none of which happened. So this therefore i'm going to consider a fakeclaim and a quite stupid one at that, and honestly i would lynch him but like i said, i want to go more indepth and gather my own reasons, because i am against using other's reasons solely to justify a lynch. The thing about proving weather puppy is solar god or not, it makes the most sense, but who would town, collectively, push to be at l1, also there really isn't enough time for this. Puppy-u have had way more activity than me and a lot of others so to speak, so explain how this claim only arised now, with not enough time to fully talk about it (i'm not sure when eod is but iirc it should be in a couple of hours, so not many people will have the time to cover it) and only came about from champ pressuring you. It looks like you're cracking under the pressure. Quick note on other things: 1-i do not see the vigvig srs, it is him just trying to gamesolve, so it's just filler really, but at least it's useful in the sense that despite the numbers being wrong, he at least came up with a unique pov on how to approach this. I feel like people r just jumping on his sr because it seems the most normal thing to do. 2-i get it's annoying having to always put effort into scorch's post, but when u do understand his condensed format then really there's nothing there that screams scum. Vigvig scorrch, what reads to you have currently, considering both of ur posts r mainly game solving. I'll try to go more indepth, and yeah sorry for the lack of activity i'll pick it up more. (also ig if u take odm's words u can tell if i'm scum by my 2nd post so  ) |
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Post by Fenrir on Jan 15, 2018 19:09:46 GMT
I don't have a ton of time to read things currently, but something else just occurred to me: if you're the real Survivor and you're not Puppy, you can end day now and claim tomorrow, granting the same benefits to both yourself and town as Puppy would if he's Survivor who ended day on someone else.
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