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Post by Champ1604 on Jul 17, 2018 12:48:15 GMT
i want to have a special convo with mm2, i haven't had a single hand convo with them yet, and them being completely good-to-go on tbz lynch isn't a super good stance spiderz what did you think of tbz? A special convo just for me? ^ ^ In hindsight, of course it isn't good to be OK with a Townie lynch, but his responses to ForgotToFlush didn't satisfy me and he didn't do anything to indicate that he was town. I'm a little confused as to why you're asking me this, rather than the people who actually did lynch Tbowl, because pre-flip Tbowl was in my top 3 scumreads and it sounds like you expected me to defend Tbowl even though I wasn't townreading him at all. I too would like to hear more from spiderz , in particular about his thoughts on og villain. There are things I would like to post, but I also want to hear other people's thoughts first. few things wrong here, maybe you misunderstood me, maybe i misunderstood you. "but his responses to ForgotToFlush didn't satisfy me and he didn't do anything to indicate that he was town."honestly, i kinda find this line funny knowing the line you said earlier. i mean i know that your lines do make perfect sense, but honestly this reasoning is far from convincing me that your stance on tbz lynch was even a good, townie one. "I'm a little confused as to why you're asking me this, rather than the people who actually did lynch Tbowl"
i have a personal theory, and perhaps speaking logically, it doesn't matter if you're on the lynch or not, you're supporting the current wagon ASSUMING you aren't pushing anyone else. and honestly i don't think you were pushing someone, or in that context creating a counter wagon which would defend tbz, so in other words to me it clearly did seem as if you're supporting the tbz lynch, which then comes down to point 1 - as to why you weren't so clear or spot-on supporting his lynch "it sounds like you expected me to defend Tbowl even though I wasn't townreading him at all."
this isn't anything scummy and all since im assuming that you clearly did misunderstood (as spotted by om room), that i in no means am saying that you ever TR'd him, but in fact doing what my point 2 says - that you were supporting his lynch, and you could either defend him or support the lynch - anything in the middle and you're not wolfhunting |
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Post by Champ1604 on Jul 17, 2018 12:48:31 GMT
i swear i did post last night, and i even wrote a wall post gdi
also i posted my post about mm2 before my rant post great!
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Post by Champ1604 on Jul 17, 2018 13:12:05 GMT
i don't mind a tbz lynch, he's a neg util rather than a proactive town and that i don't think he's scum I was reading back to collect quotes on og villain, when I noticed this specific comment. Juxtapose this with Champ2604`s following line about me. them being completely good-to-go on tbz lynch isn't a super good stance Colour me confused. yup, and my point doesn't change. i wasn't a good-to-go person on him, i had put him in my town list, but a town list which is for bad towns rather than good towns, therefore not being important. i consider this different to your stance because of multiple reasons, mostly that i do see my own reasons but fail to see yours - why was your stance of "oh i really don't mind a tbz lynch, but am not interested in riding on him either" considered acceptable by you? |
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Post by Champ1604 on Jul 17, 2018 13:13:00 GMT
Lynch OM RoomI said yesterday that if TBZ flipped VT, OM was scum. I stand by that. i want more explanation / more discussion about this, and honestly it's not just required by me but the whole town |
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Post by Champ1604 on Jul 17, 2018 13:16:54 GMT
Ayia is being tunnel-y again ig, OM Room seems pretty ok here so far from his recent posts. Vote SPIDERZHis progressions from his posts are real ass, and his reasoning is pmuch completely flawed. Champ's recent progressions are also really... weird because of mostly the EoD shifting, but they still are pretty decent overall content. Not town but not too far the scummy list. I MM2 doesn't really look good with OM Room interactions, reads closely to me of a scum trying to pick on SRed Town. Which makes OM Room more townie than in previous light. OM moves above Spiderz in my scum list. Could we get more activity? xnad honestly i would prod spiderz rather than pressure him rn, it's not anything you can legally do but honestly i see a little lack of reasoning on spiderz. or maybe let me rephrase myself - is there anything in particular which makes you say your lynch reasoning on him? i want spiderz 's opinions on this +1 on the stance on mm2 though, Lynch MechaMew2
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Post by Champ1604 on Jul 17, 2018 13:20:06 GMT
Lynch OM RoomI said yesterday that if TBZ flipped VT, OM was scum. I stand by that.
link to some posts that explain reasonings outside of me having shaky reasoning for a lynch on you than you getting triggered?
the next thing i'm going to say isn't just concerning this post, but honestly their emotional reaction to them being lynched om what do you think of the current pressure on you? in specific, ayia's lack of reasons and given how mm2's on om? i'll follow this with my reads on you, given i get an answer for this |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 18, 2018 0:04:45 GMT
link to some posts that explain reasonings outside of me having shaky reasoning for a lynch on you than you getting triggered?
the next thing i'm going to say isn't just concerning this post, but honestly their emotional reaction to them being lynched om what do you think of the current pressure on you? in specific, ayia's lack of reasons and given how mm2's on om? i'll follow this with my reads on you, given i get an answer for this ayia I want something out of because right now he's basically a puff of smoke
mm2 is coming and going right through with the stupidest cherry-picking I've ever seen, but my post concerning his lynch on me mainly wraps up my thoughts on it.
I will say I find myself more open to a mm2 lynch than a spiderz lynch due to spiderz's lack of activity so maybe we could get a sub there or smth
lynch mm2
like FUCK I'm letting myself be lynched over no activity
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Post by OM~! on Jul 18, 2018 0:43:52 GMT
link to some posts that explain reasonings outside of me having shaky reasoning for a lynch on you than you getting triggered?
the next thing i'm going to say isn't just concerning this post, but honestly their emotional reaction to them being lynched om what do you think of the current pressure on you? in specific, ayia's lack of reasons and given how mm2's on om? i'll follow this with my reads on you, given i get an answer for this I kind of think I know what you're getting at but
I'm not annoyed that I'm being lynched
I'm annoyed that the lack of activity is going to lead to a lynch based on me for basically nothing because 2 people have jumped in, parked a lynch, than dissapeared.
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Post by OM~! on Jul 18, 2018 0:45:14 GMT
If ya still confused lmk
could we get a sub for daisocks as well
where'd this boy go
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Post by MechaMew2 on Jul 18, 2018 3:29:46 GMT
Sigh that's not being annoyed, that's asking for further explanation I really don't understand how I'm feeding him, if you look at the FULL quote and read what I say afterwards you understand that it's something I theorized, but dropped because it didn't feel scummy, it felt NAI. Spiderz's post was the connector that made me understand it more, but after further looking into it there was nothing
Here, let me grab it for your "context": Like honestly I was responding to you too. If you want to cherrypick lynch me, do it where the rest of the quote and later responses to you don't contradict.
No. In the original context it's not nai. Look at the whole context of the game where you are already scumreading ayia and spiderz is developing a read on me. You only walked it back after I pressed about it specifically, because you wouldn't get away with it after I pointed it out. I'm not sure where I'm cherrypicking when there's nothing contradicting. |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 18, 2018 11:52:04 GMT
Sigh that's not being annoyed, that's asking for further explanation I really don't understand how I'm feeding him, if you look at the FULL quote and read what I say afterwards you understand that it's something I theorized, but dropped because it didn't feel scummy, it felt NAI. Spiderz's post was the connector that made me understand it more, but after further looking into it there was nothing
Here, let me grab it for your "context": Like honestly I was responding to you too. If you want to cherrypick lynch me, do it where the rest of the quote and later responses to you don't contradict.
No. In the original context it's not nai. Look at the whole context of the game where you are already scumreading ayia and spiderz is developing a read on me. You only walked it back after I pressed about it specifically, because you wouldn't get away with it after I pointed it out. I'm not sure where I'm cherrypicking when there's nothing contradicting.
Uh no, I found it NAI
I literally tried to find anything townie or scummy about it and it just ended up making me feel stupid compared to the rest
the most I could get out of it was "ayia + mm2" but there wasn't anything else, so that's what I rolled it up to.
as for you pressing me about it specifically: You assumed it was a scumread and I pointed out you're wrong. That's not me responding to pressure, that's me fixing a wrong assumption made.
You are cherrypicking, I pointed out how you're cherrypicking and you've done nothing to prove otherwise.
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Post by OM~! on Jul 18, 2018 11:53:40 GMT
But, you can try and justify your cherrypicking instead of outright denying it this time
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Post by Dasocks~ on Jul 18, 2018 12:33:03 GMT
Hi, posts soon
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Post by Dasocks~ on Jul 18, 2018 12:37:58 GMT
you know rereading recent posts, I'm adding xnad to my scumpool and removing champ i'll elaborate if needed I saw this reading back. Yes, elaborate please |
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Post by Dasocks~ on Jul 18, 2018 12:44:37 GMT
My bus is being slow af so imma just post a bit more. My post about OM SCUM and TBZ SCUM was literally me looking at my notify and responding to whatever quoted me. I hadn't read Spiderz' post yet. Then I got home and properly read the thread, when I saw Spiderz' posts, it pinged me hard and pushed him all the way down to my scum pool. Is it that hard to understand?? I don’t know how you expected us to garner all of this from that one post. But this is pretty fair. |
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Post by Dasocks~ on Jul 18, 2018 12:51:34 GMT
If ya still confused lmk could we get a sub for daisocks as well where'd this boy go Internet died a few days ago. Had to fix that issue. [strikethrough]That, and I was busy playing Octopath[/strikethrough] |
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Post by Dasocks~ on Jul 18, 2018 12:59:01 GMT
The whole Champ/MM2 interaction in my opinion paints the former in a townier light than the latter, as with the OM/MM2 interaction. From POE, that would leave MM2 and Spiderz in my scumpool. I’m perfectly fine with either of these lynched, to be honest.
Lynch Spiderz
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Post by MechaMew2 on Jul 18, 2018 18:34:45 GMT
few things wrong here, maybe you misunderstood me, maybe i misunderstood you. "but his responses to ForgotToFlush didn't satisfy me and he didn't do anything to indicate that he was town."honestly, i kinda find this line funny knowing the line you said earlier. i mean i know that your lines do make perfect sense, but honestly this reasoning is far from convincing me that your stance on tbz lynch was even a good, townie one. "I'm a little confused as to why you're asking me this, rather than the people who actually did lynch Tbowl"
i have a personal theory, and perhaps speaking logically, it doesn't matter if you're on the lynch or not, you're supporting the current wagon ASSUMING you aren't pushing anyone else. and honestly i don't think you were pushing someone, or in that context creating a counter wagon which would defend tbz, so in other words to me it clearly did seem as if you're supporting the tbz lynch, which then comes down to point 1 - as to why you weren't so clear or spot-on supporting his lynch "it sounds like you expected me to defend Tbowl even though I wasn't townreading him at all."
this isn't anything scummy and all since im assuming that you clearly did misunderstood (as spotted by om room), that i in no means am saying that you ever TR'd him, but in fact doing what my point 2 says - that you were supporting his lynch, and you could either defend him or support the lynch - anything in the middle and you're not wolfhunting If my lines make "perfect sense," what makes you think there is wolf intent? Logically speaking, voting is the most important part of the game and it absolutely does matter if you are on a lynch or not. People do vote analysis for a reason. I was pushing for a Daisocks lynch, but I afked towards the end of the day so I guess it wasn't really a strong push, and still, a counterwagon does not mean you are defending the current wagon. Me finding Daisocks more scummy does not equate to me finding Tbowl townie ergo defending him. I also stated day one that Tbowl was a scumread, so obviously I wasn't trying to hide the fact that I would not be opposed to him being lynched. You are trying to argue in absolutes. People can slight reads, unsure reads, null reads, etc. Being "in the middle" or somewhere around it doesn't mean you are not wolf hunting. To sum it up, I preferred a Daisocks lynch, but was not opposed to the Tbowl lynch. |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jul 18, 2018 18:41:03 GMT
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Post by MechaMew2 on Jul 18, 2018 18:57:39 GMT
I was reading back to collect quotes on og villain, when I noticed this specific comment. Juxtapose this with Champ2604`s following line about me. Colour me confused. yup, and my point doesn't change. i wasn't a good-to-go person on him, i had put him in my town list, but a town list which is for bad towns rather than good towns, therefore not being important. i consider this different to your stance because of multiple reasons, mostly that i do see my own reasons but fail to see yours - why was your stance of "oh i really don't mind a tbz lynch, but am not interested in riding on him either" considered acceptable by you? Thank you for bringing this up. Please tell me why putting a townread at one from hammer/hammering them is beneficial to a town agenda, rather than lynching a scumread to advance the game. Remember that there are hidden chosen townies, so every town player matters. I'm also not understanding why if you townread him you would put him as "bad town." He met the requirements to join this official game, so I'm pretty sure he's not a bad player. What differentiates bad towns from good towns and why is it ok to lynch bad towns rather than scumreads? I have no idea what you mean by acceptable, regarding my stance. My stance is my opinion, and you are free to agree or disagree. "Acceptable" doesn't matter; wolf intent or town intent matters. |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jul 18, 2018 19:08:02 GMT
And that is deadline! OM~! was lynched! He flipped a Mafia Goon! |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jul 18, 2018 19:08:31 GMT
Night 2, send kill.
I'll ping everyone at the start of the Day.
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jul 19, 2018 21:35:49 GMT
Bomb Moss died. Obviously, he's town then  It's now Day 3, I'll ping you all on discord! Deadline is Monday at 3 PM EDT! (Just too late for Sunday update, but I doubt I'll be here Sunday)
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Post by Dasocks~ on Jul 19, 2018 22:12:14 GMT
lynch Spiderz
This should be GG. At the very least, I’d rather lynch this over Champ, narrowing down to people that weren’t on OM. (not including me, ‘cause I know I am an esteemed vt)
This also means MM2 and Ayia are basically conf town, in my eyes. There’s almost 0 point in bussing at this point, to be honest, especially with two other wagons at l-1. So Spiderz>Champ wins pretty much
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Post by ayia on Jul 19, 2018 23:43:51 GMT
Just quoting this so I have a reference as I write this post. I thought about this for a bit and right now I think it would be best to lynch Tbowl an info lynch. Also @snaquaza you have Tbowl lynching himself? I think thats supposed to be socks Assuming Spiderz and Dasocks are on Tbowl, there are three possibilities with his lynch. a) he's chosen. in that case, dasocks is definitely scum, with spiderz also being a heavy possibility. b) he's normal vt. this is the only case in which dasocks and tbowl would both be vts. in this case i would suggest om and one of champ / spiderz / dasocks still. if he's normal vt, I think that I'm likely chosen. c) he's scum. in this case, i could see om / champ as a partner. In any case, a tbowl lynch will severely lessen the scumpool and gets rid of a neg util Unlynch OMLynch Tballzjust for the record im not done scumreading om I stand by this. I still do believe I'm chosen townie and scum is in that pool. However, we're in a strange situation here. We simply need to lynch a non-chosen townie and we win. For these reasons, I think Dasocks is the safest lynch today. I don't necessarily think that Dasocks is the scummiest player in this group: I think that award goes to Champ for a few reasons that I'll get into later in this post. However, I do think he's least likely to be chosen townie. For reference: 2 og villain* (ayia, MechaMew2) 2 MechaMew2 (Champ1604, og villain) 2 spiderz (XnadrojX, daisocks) Lynches from yesterday ^^ daisocks, Champ1604, ayia, spiderz, MechaMew2 current playerlist^^ In my opinion, most likely to be chosen townie in this pool is Mecha. This would imply that Champ is scum, as Dasocks had ample opportunity to shift to Mecha and BS some reason for it (he was active at the end of the day but decided to go for an og villain lynch instead). The other possibility is that Spiderz is chosen townie. This would implicate dasocks as scum. However, I find this far more unlikely due to OM's lynch of Mecha and not spiderz. A stranger possibility is that both Spiderz and Mecha are chosen, but this would make even less sense with dasocks lynching Spiderz and not OM. I really can't see Dasocks or Champ as chosen due to them not really being suspected at all. Note how OM came in D1 and bs'd a reason to lynch me. I expected more things like that (btw thats one of the reasons I believe I'm chosen). Actually, after placing my notes on paper and reviewing them, I change my mind: Champ is the safest lynch. With them being most likely scum with the most likely chosen pair and their very low likelyhood of being chosen, they're probably the smartest lynch. Lynch Champ
Now let's run flips and implications! (can i coin that? FAI? lets do it) If Champ flips scum: we win woot If Champ flips VT: we win woot If Champ flips chosen: this would be simply fascinating. however, that does do a few things for us. If Dasocks is scum, then Spiderz is chosen due to his D3 lynch. Simply put. This leaves Mecha as VT. However this wouldn't be likely as OM tried to shift to Mecha, not Spiderz? Therefore, Dasocks is most likely town if Champ flips chosen. If Mecha is scum, then Dasocks is chosen due to Mecha's D1 lynch on him. This leaves Spiderz as VT. It's possible, I guess? Mecha didn't shift off of OM even though he very well could have.
If Spiderz is scum, I literally have nothing. He hasn't done much, and his only lynch afaik was on TBZ. For these reasons, I say if Champ flips chosen, y'all better lynch Spiderz. I'll read up to get more supporting / refuting this idea (that if Champ flips chosen, then Spiderz is scum).
Anyway, I think this is pretty cut and dry. We lynch Champ. Under the small chance that they flip chosen (and it is a very small chance) we get Spiderz. GGWP
I don't feel like rereading and editting because I spent a long time on this post, so if anything is unclear ping me
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