Summer Circuit D6, Game 1: Greek Heroes [GAME OVER]

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 4:27:16 GMT sadisticnarwhal said:

Jun 13, 2019 13:30:04 GMT Wob said:

My main gripe with Edward is that his posts have generally consisted of filler or vague / confusing statements that have little to no relevance to the current discussion at hand. However, reading through his ISO in full, I think I'm generally townleaning this slot. In particular:

This type of frustration is certainly a towntell imo. As scum, it's pretty easy to simply lay out your reads + reasoning and then stop pressuring your scumreads to avoid further scrutiny. Particularly in this case where the validity of edward's scumread had been long accepted, and a large majority of the town also found ignited scummy, there was little for him to gain by pushing the slot further. However, his annoyance over ignited being afk instead indicates a willingness to coax further information out of his read, and then re-evaluate it, demonstrating a balanced consideration of the game as a whole.

Once again, he makes multiple attempts to contact his scumread in order to pressure it and improve the overall quality of his reads, a town trait.


Here he makes an effort to provoke further discussion among town, which helps to advance the gamestate and increase the likelihood of finding scum.

Another thing that I'd point out is that I would consider Edward to be the easy, "cop-out" lynch today. He hasn't been defended by anyone essentially all game and scumreads on him have been widespread and uncontroversial. For that reason alone I think scum is gravitating towards him, and I would feel very uneasy about lynching him in MYLO especially.

    

So by pressuring an inactive that’s seen as pressuring a read? If you are saying that he wasn’t afriad to lynch a townie with the fear that he would be attacked for doing so and that is townie I have to say that could literally just be used as a scapegoat.

Duuuuude welcome back thanks please catch up ASAP if possible cool lol.

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 4:35:46 GMT sadisticnarwhal said:

Jun 14, 2019 13:47:08 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Sorry for my delayed post, lights went out.

Now the thing is I can't really comment on jib and wob. Ngl wob has made a significant stance towards jib and I don't see any point in repeating what he has already told. But again i don't really agree upon jib being scum overall. But the thing I am annoyed about is u guys comparing me with jib. Fillers ok I agree i did them. But tbh not all my posts 8were useless.

Wob making most of his activity today, I can't really make out anything else that he tl me(uwu) and based his opinion over that. So I can't actually comment on either.

Basing my sr on either mylo may sound weak, but I think I under all that fluff their may lie the scum. But atm I think I won't lynch anyone yet. In time, hopefully I find something which may actually help us proceed the game further.

This is actually quite an interesting theory and to add to what I just said to win above, killing yash and ignited to frame me for towncred is stupid anyways and I don’t want to believe you [wob] were a part in that. We all ask our selves the same question “how is mylo alive” after all this time too so I think my hardtown read on him is slowly becoming lesser. This really throws my read on Ed off because making this post means he would be basically bussing Mylo if they were partners in a (what I see from reading) is MYLO. So if I think Ed is scum no way Mylo can be but the thought of Mylo surviving so long is really throwing me off.

Again, this is like the 4th time I've said this but I understand your paranoia lol. Anyway, if you can get to it, can you do a proper read on Wob/Zwerd/Ed?

Not sure scum could've been thinking that much with kills to decide to frame you if I'm honest haha. It's plausible I 'spose?

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 4:44:53 GMT Wob said:

I thought most people had accepted that scum aren't killing the most universally townread or active players, for whatever reason. So I don't see how Mylo avoiding death makes him mafia.

Totally agree here. Brady could've also similarly died for being active and townread but didn't. But I get the paranoia, this is probably the first time I've been on the receiving end though given I'm either usually dead already or not townread haha.

[edwardzealchemist]

Jun 14, 2019 23:44:04 GMT Mylo13 said:

Jun 14, 2019 12:21:26 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Finally my turn.
Imma gonna summarise everything j have read and am going to produce my read upon that.
Mylo. tbh I am surprised that scum choose ignited>mylo. Ngl from the way mylo being playing all game, either the scum is blind af to not see what kind of danger it may be to them or mylo has been shielded or is the scum. Tr mylo was something i did as well till day 3(please correct me if today is day 3 uwu) but now at this point I can't stop wondering this.

Sadistic: afk as always. Sigh

Commander: my ol friend. Claiming vig was a bold move tbh, and I haven't seen any cross with it 2. Seems to me that this guy is actually a town pr. Reasons: no one has actually counter claimed yet, and not only that i could see lows death was done by commander by his previous day's lynch, but again i can't say more until.

I would deliver zwerb and woh after a bit of rereading.

Thanks for this! I understand the "Mylo hasn't died even though he should've" paranoia, and unfortunately that probably won't go away because the next reasonable NK is CA, but I hope my play can otherwise show I'm town regardless. Most people seem surprised Ignited died last night, including me so you're not in the minority here haha.

Commander is indeed very very likely town pr and confirmed unless sad is town PR who hasn't talked yet which I very much doubt.

Jun 14, 2019 12:35:00 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Also on the point that jib made for sadistic to claim vig. I disagree with it. Sadistic as a vig seems really improbable and him shooting low>me seems even more bizarre.

Very true, Sad is a very unlikely vig so Commander is virtually confirmed.

Jun 14, 2019 12:49:00 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

I also wanted to put in his as well. I remember Brady telling me that I was his 'gut guess'. Now I don't recall any previous accusation on me being scum before that specific post. I might be wrong but I need your guys opinion on this.

Uhhhh I guess so? Mostly people, including me, lumped you in the "barely talking" team which you didn't really escape until EOD yesterday

Jun 14, 2019 13:47:08 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Sorry for my delayed post, lights went out.

Now the thing is I can't really comment on jib and wob. Ngl wob has made a significant stance towards jib and I don't see any point in repeating what he has already told. But again i don't really agree upon jib being scum overall. But the thing I am annoyed about is u guys comparing me with jib. Fillers ok I agree i did them. But tbh not all my posts 8were useless.

Wob making most of his activity today, I can't really make out anything else that he tl me(uwu) and based his opinion over that. So I can't actually comment on either.

Basing my sr on either mylo may sound weak, but I think I under all that fluff their may lie the scum. But atm I think I won't lynch anyone yet. In time, hopefully I find something which may actually help us proceed the game further.

So, you don't really agree with Scum!Jib. Could you explain why? Do you think Wob is more suspicious for pushing that? What do you think about Wob's defense of you?

Thank you for responding but I feel like you still haven't said anything in this. Do you townread Scum!Jib given you don't agree with Scum!Jib? Also, could you explain what "Basing my sr on either mylo may sound weak" haha? I'm not sure if you're talking to me, using mylo as "Mislynch or lose" or saying you may scumread me here haha?

So i believe I have some answers to tell. My main thinking on jib not being scum is that first of all his inactivity(like every other subbed in game) has reasoned, and him not giving the wall die to his pc makes sense(34kbps internet remember). Not only this he hasn't played that much aggressively like sfl And spiderz, latter one making me believe he would be really low on the scum kill list die to his lack of activity and all that(unless the scum is legit using a randomizer to decide his kill).
Wob pushing jib is a normal town thing because I myself tried to push ignited to get some proper answers from him but again like ignited I see little defends from jib here as well. That little defense is either because jib is actually facing technical difficulties or he is just too lazy to fight back. Both proves nothing for now. So I don't tr jib rn. It's more of a tsl tbh.
The point that wob pushes of me being framed was something I thought of as well but it turned out wob posted whatever I wanted to say after I was finished with my exam(excuse my inactivity I still have 2 more to go).
The final one is for mylo(not user). I think nl is actually our best option here, and it's quite obvious rn that ca is gonna die due to his pr role, unless scum decides otherwise.
If there is any other question just ask k.

[edwardzealchemist]

Jun 15, 2019 1:18:02 GMT tenzhii said:

alright i think ive found an interesting way to resolve this.

lets say mylo did die yesterday; ignited is spared, but that detail is irrelevant. if mylo did die yesterday, think about what our srs would be today. ideally, the sr/srs you may have had should mylo have died would most likely be scum today.

if that leads to you sring me, so be it, but i want to hear ideas dammit and this is probably the best way right now we can get a clue toward who is scum, because right now its a game of a flip flop, null, lurker, semi conf and decent tr

anyway, tl;dr, scum didnt kill mylo because itd be easier to narrow them down knowing that they have a sense of who should die, so they picked a polarizing townie instead.

I really don't see how considering mylo's death help us find scum. All it would bring more suspicion on u as
Mylo and Brady both were against u. I can't really see why wob would kill mylo>ca here so I guess I tr wob in that way as well? It might bring suspicion on me as well but I am sure ignited's kill brought more suspicion on me(or at least I think so).

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 7:09:05 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Jun 14, 2019 23:44:04 GMT Mylo13 said:

Thanks for this! I understand the "Mylo hasn't died even though he should've" paranoia, and unfortunately that probably won't go away because the next reasonable NK is CA, but I hope my play can otherwise show I'm town regardless. Most people seem surprised Ignited died last night, including me so you're not in the minority here haha.

Commander is indeed very very likely town pr and confirmed unless sad is town PR who hasn't talked yet which I very much doubt.

Very true, Sad is a very unlikely vig so Commander is virtually confirmed.

Uhhhh I guess so? Mostly people, including me, lumped you in the "barely talking" team which you didn't really escape until EOD yesterday

So, you don't really agree with Scum!Jib. Could you explain why? Do you think Wob is more suspicious for pushing that? What do you think about Wob's defense of you?

Thank you for responding but I feel like you still haven't said anything in this. Do you townread Scum!Jib given you don't agree with Scum!Jib? Also, could you explain what "Basing my sr on either mylo may sound weak" haha? I'm not sure if you're talking to me, using mylo as "Mislynch or lose" or saying you may scumread me here haha?

So i believe I have some answers to tell. My main thinking on jib not being scum is that first of all his inactivity(like every other subbed in game) has reasoned, and him not giving the wall die to his pc makes sense(34kbps internet remember). Not only this he hasn't played that much aggressively like sfl And spiderz, latter one making me believe he would be really low on the scum kill list die to his lack of activity and all that(unless the scum is legit using a randomizer to decide his kill).
Wob pushing jib is a normal town thing because I myself tried to push ignited to get some proper answers from him but again like ignited I see little defends from jib here as well. That little defense is either because jib is actually facing technical difficulties or he is just too lazy to fight back. Both proves nothing for now. So I don't tr jib rn. It's more of a tsl tbh.
The point that wob pushes of me being framed was something I thought of as well but it turned out wob posted whatever I wanted to say after I was finished with my exam(excuse my inactivity I still have 2 more to go).
The final one is for mylo(not user). I think nl is actually our best option here, and it's quite obvious rn that ca is gonna die due to his pr role, unless scum decides otherwise.
If there is any other question just ask k.

Thanks for responding! I guess non-aggresion could be a sign of towniness but I'm not really sure that's a sign from Jib tbh haha. His inactivity would also be more of a scum sign for me but I guess that could just be his play?

I'm mostly concerned though about this Wob defense if I'm being real. I'd already thought about a Wob/Ed team but this defense on them really doesn't help lol. Not to mention both of you agreeing on NL-ing, and I'm left with a bad feeling lol Thanks for answering regardless!

Could you just say who you scumread most to least now, including me too if you want to?

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 7:19:50 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Jun 15, 2019 1:18:02 GMT tenzhii said:

alright i think ive found an interesting way to resolve this.

lets say mylo did die yesterday; ignited is spared, but that detail is irrelevant. if mylo did die yesterday, think about what our srs would be today. ideally, the sr/srs you may have had should mylo have died would most likely be scum today.

if that leads to you sring me, so be it, but i want to hear ideas dammit and this is probably the best way right now we can get a clue toward who is scum, because right now its a game of a flip flop, null, lurker, semi conf and decent tr

anyway, tl;dr, scum didnt kill mylo because itd be easier to narrow them down knowing that they have a sense of who should die, so they picked a polarizing townie instead.

I really don't see how considering mylo's death help us find scum. All it would bring more suspicion on u as
Mylo and Brady both were against u. I can't really see why wob would kill mylo>ca here so I guess I tr wob in that way as well? It might bring suspicion on me as well but I am sure ignited's kill brought more suspicion on me(or at least I think so).

Oof just as I speak about an Ed/Wob team you say you townread Wob   . But anyway, I also agree that my kill wouldn't really help people find scum lol, unless scum were banking on people being SO suspicious of me surviving that they kill me mindlessly haha. But um, what do you mean why Wob would kill mylo over me? Are you saying Scum!Wob would night kill me before CA or that scum!Wob would want to lynch me before CA? CA is confirmed lol, so the latter is unecessary and the former shouldn't really come into your thinking as town? Maybe I'm just missing what you meant there, please clarify why you townread wob haha?

[edwardzealchemist]

Jun 15, 2019 7:30:51 GMT Mylo13 said:

Jun 15, 2019 7:19:50 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

I really don't see how considering mylo's death help us find scum. All it would bring more suspicion on u as
Mylo and Brady both were against u. I can't really see why wob would kill mylo>ca here so I guess I tr wob in that way as well? It might bring suspicion on me as well but I am sure ignited's kill brought more suspicion on me(or at least I think so).

Oof just as I speak about an Ed/Wob team you say you townread Wob   . But anyway, I also agree that my kill wouldn't really help people find scum lol, unless scum were banking on people being SO suspicious of me surviving that they kill me mindlessly haha. But um, what do you mean why Wob would kill mylo over me? Are you saying Scum!Wob would night kill me before CA or that scum!Wob would want to lynch me before CA? CA is confirmed lol, so the latter is unecessary and the former shouldn't really come into your thinking as town? Maybe I'm just missing what you meant there, please clarify why you townread wob haha?

Bro I said if wob was scum he would probably kill ca>mylo, and in case u r confused I was referring to u @mylo13

[edwardzealchemist]

Jun 15, 2019 7:24:48 GMT Mylo13 said:

Jun 15, 2019 7:09:05 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

So i believe I have some answers to tell. My main thinking on jib not being scum is that first of all his inactivity(like every other subbed in game) has reasoned, and him not giving the wall die to his pc makes sense(34kbps internet remember). Not only this he hasn't played that much aggressively like sfl And spiderz, latter one making me believe he would be really low on the scum kill list die to his lack of activity and all that(unless the scum is legit using a randomizer to decide his kill).
Wob pushing jib is a normal town thing because I myself tried to push ignited to get some proper answers from him but again like ignited I see little defends from jib here as well. That little defense is either because jib is actually facing technical difficulties or he is just too lazy to fight back. Both proves nothing for now. So I don't tr jib rn. It's more of a tsl tbh.
The point that wob pushes of me being framed was something I thought of as well but it turned out wob posted whatever I wanted to say after I was finished with my exam(excuse my inactivity I still have 2 more to go).
The final one is for mylo(not user). I think nl is actually our best option here, and it's quite obvious rn that ca is gonna die due to his pr role, unless scum decides otherwise.
If there is any other question just ask k.

Thanks for responding! I guess non-aggresion could be a sign of towniness but I'm not really sure that's a sign from Jib tbh haha. His inactivity would also be more of a scum sign for me but I guess that could just be his play?

I'm mostly concerned though about this Wob defense if I'm being real. I'd already thought about a Wob/Ed team but this defense on them really doesn't help lol. Not to mention both of you agreeing on NL-ing, and I'm left with a bad feeling lol Thanks for answering regardless!

Could you just say who you scumread most to least now, including me too if you want to?

This much pressure sure leaves me wondering why whether I read u right or wrong. This sure does confuse me but i would say sad>mylo

[edwardzealchemist]

Jun 15, 2019 10:13:27 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

This much pressure sure leaves me wondering why whether I read u right or wrong. This sure does confuse me but i would say sad>mylo

For now

[edwardzealchemist]

He only reason I agree with nl is because if we mislynch today, and vig gets killed its 2v2(does that get the scum a win idk lol), so I think having a 3v2 is better than a 2v2. But again it depends on how he game is gonna go sooner it later anyway.

[edwardzealchemist]

Jun 15, 2019 10:13:27 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

This much pressure sure leaves me wondering why whether I read u right or wrong. This sure does confuse me but i would say sad>mylo

Sad is here cause of mainly ur inactivity factor mylo13, or else i really dont see why why jib and sadistic can be scum. If inactivity actually shows sign of scum(not considering the problems stated by the players themselves) plz explain it a bit.

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 10:10:15 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Jun 15, 2019 7:30:51 GMT Mylo13 said:

Oof just as I speak about an Ed/Wob team you say you townread Wob   . But anyway, I also agree that my kill wouldn't really help people find scum lol, unless scum were banking on people being SO suspicious of me surviving that they kill me mindlessly haha. But um, what do you mean why Wob would kill mylo over me? Are you saying Scum!Wob would night kill me before CA or that scum!Wob would want to lynch me before CA? CA is confirmed lol, so the latter is unecessary and the former shouldn't really come into your thinking as town? Maybe I'm just missing what you meant there, please clarify why you townread wob haha?

Bro I said if wob was scum he would probably kill ca>mylo, and in case u r confused I was referring to u @mylo13

Okay, that's fair. I mean, reasonably any scum would kill CA before me but true haha.

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 10:13:27 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Jun 15, 2019 7:24:48 GMT Mylo13 said:

Thanks for responding! I guess non-aggresion could be a sign of towniness but I'm not really sure that's a sign from Jib tbh haha. His inactivity would also be more of a scum sign for me but I guess that could just be his play?

I'm mostly concerned though about this Wob defense if I'm being real. I'd already thought about a Wob/Ed team but this defense on them really doesn't help lol. Not to mention both of you agreeing on NL-ing, and I'm left with a bad feeling lol Thanks for answering regardless!

Could you just say who you scumread most to least now, including me too if you want to?

This much pressure sure leaves me wondering why whether I read u right or wrong. This sure does confuse me but i would say sad>mylo

Um what? Dude, I just said my thoughts and asked one question haha. I don't think I pressured you like, at all and I said thanks twice. Even if I was pressuring you, how would that've been a scum move? I feel like I'm just missing your points here.

Thanks for partially answering the scumread most to least question, may I ask why you scumread Sad (and also why you actually townread Wob)?

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 10:18:07 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

He only reason I agree with nl is because if we mislynch today, and vig gets killed its 2v2(does that get the scum a win idk lol), so I think having a 3v2 is better than a 2v2. But again it depends on how he game is gonna go sooner it later anyway.

2 vs. 2 is literally a loss unless this site rules allows for the very miniscule chance that town correctly votes on a scum both following days before both scum coordinate a lynch, which I don't find likely at all.

[Mylo13]

Jun 15, 2019 10:26:36 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Jun 15, 2019 10:13:27 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

This much pressure sure leaves me wondering why whether I read u right or wrong. This sure does confuse me but i would say sad>mylo

Sad is here cause of mainly ur inactivity factor mylo13, or else i really dont see why why jib and sadistic can be scum. If inactivity actually shows sign of scum(not considering the problems stated by the players themselves) plz explain it a bit.

I assume you're suggested Sad is here for their inactivity and not mine lol. I'll also assume where you said bolded that meant to be Wob (Unless you scumread ME the most out of everyone LOL) and again I ask, what about Jib and Wob have made you clear them so much? Especially for Wob, they haven't done nearly anything to convince me they're not mafia.

I agree inactivity does not directly equal scum, especially in this game where so many people were quiet for so long. Are you asking me to explain something with that last bit? If you're asking me to explain why I scumread people for inactivity, my explanation is I don't haha.

[Mylo13]

I gotta go sleep. I'll be back in my morning, before deadline. No Lynch isn't the *worst* thing to happen but losing CA seems unecessary unless y'all expect far more talk to go down the next day phase that solves everything lol. Otherwise, I'll leave a vote now:

Lynch Wob 

Feeling decently confident in Wob!Scum right now, both Zwerd and Sad have done generally towny things and I think their Edward (and other reads for that matter) are pretty off. I could be convinced to swap to Edward though too, unless something changes significantly I'm feeling pretty good about those two being the scumteam. 

Leave any questions or ideas you want to tell me in a post below, I'll get to them in the morning!

[Wob]

Jun 15, 2019 11:17:41 GMT Mylo13 said:

I gotta go sleep. I'll be back in my morning, before deadline. No Lynch isn't the *worst* thing to happen but losing CA seems unecessary unless y'all expect far more talk to go down the next day phase that solves everything lol. Otherwise, I'll leave a vote now:

Lynch Wob 

Feeling decently confident in Wob!Scum right now, both Zwerd and Sad have done generally towny things and I think their Edward (and other reads for that matter) are pretty off. I could be convinced to swap to Edward though too, unless something changes significantly I'm feeling pretty good about those two being the scumteam. 

Leave any questions or ideas you want to tell me in a post below, I'll get to them in the morning!

You know you're putting me at l-2, right? I'm not sure why you wouldn't declare the intent first because any scumteam that doesn't include you just hammers me now :s

[Wob]

I mean, what about my reasoning do you not agree with? Because when I responded to your concerns you didn't really seem to have a problem with what I said. Or is it just that you simply don't agree with my reads? If so, that's a pretty poor factor to take at face value when you're considering if someone is scum.

Really not feeling good about town mylo anymore.

[sadisticnarwhal]

Jun 15, 2019 4:42:21 GMT Wob said:

Jun 15, 2019 4:29:13 GMT sadisticnarwhal said:

Literally the only reasoning I could see scum killing yash and ignited would be to frame me and you are the only person really to point this out. Everyone see what I’m getting at here?

Huh? How does that frame you in the slightest?

Well I suppose “frame” wasn’t the best choice of wording. I mean something like “Oh Sad was hard townreading those players and they died. Obvi maf trying to get towncred” like pointing it out and hinting at a scumread of sorts

[edwardzealchemist]

Jun 15, 2019 11:05:54 GMT Mylo13 said:

Jun 15, 2019 10:26:36 GMT edwardzealchemist said:

Sad is here cause of mainly ur inactivity factor mylo13, or else i really dont see why why jib and sadistic can be scum. If inactivity actually shows sign of scum(not considering the problems stated by the players themselves) plz explain it a bit.

I assume you're suggested Sad is here for their inactivity and not mine lol. I'll also assume where you said bolded that meant to be Wob (Unless you scumread ME the most out of everyone LOL) and again I ask, what about Jib and Wob have made you clear them so much? Especially for Wob, they haven't done nearly anything to convince me they're not mafia.

I agree inactivity does not directly equal scum, especially in this game where so many people were quiet for so long. Are you asking me to explain something with that last bit? If you're asking me to explain why I scumread people for inactivity, my explanation is I don't haha.

Mylo if u remember I made a post about inactivity and how that shouldn't be applied to lynching so we r on the same boat here. I would rather nl tbh, u might just end up killing a town .

The reason why I am neutral on jib is because he hasn't really done anything scummy yet. The only reason everyone was even on him was because he was inactive and put little effort in the game. I really don't see how he this makes him scummy in anyway(unless he is lurking :s)

I tl wob not because he is just protecting me But because he actually showed made an important point here!!! For all ik 3 of us are being suspected just because of the odd kill?(or at the very least 1 of us). Yash kill made u guys decide that any subbed in player is scum or any inactive after is scum on the foundation of poor reading? And tell me this mylo HOW hasn't wob convince U that he isn't mafia? What did u expect from him that would've made u tr him? I would like to hear it reasoning here. We're u expecting him to claim a pr or just active before? I would really like to hear that from u mylo.

[sadisticnarwhal]

lynch wob

[edwardzealchemist]

lynch wob
U guys played urselves

[edwardzealchemist]

lynch wob
U guys played urselves

[edwardzealchemist]

Won hammered
Eaz