Summer Circuit D6, Game 2: Ragnarok [GAME OVER]

[duskfall]

When did I say I changed my read

[duskfall]

ayia is still pure, not really sure on fort rn tbh, probably very slight town lean but nothing concrete

[nuxl]

Jun 3, 2019 20:03:11 GMT duskfall said:

When did I say I changed my read

i guess thought process between nuxl is town to nuxl has a realistic chance of being scum is a better word to demonstrate ig. im sorta confused on how im not townlock but whatev, new environment, new people we'll work with it and deal with it

[duskfall]

You are mostly in your town meta but are doing scummy things in between that make me go wtf

[Alexander489]

Jun 3, 2019 17:08:17 GMT qtball said:

ngl alex’s tone when responding to cuddleszz didn’t even seem town to me, but I also think I saw something interesting that I’m gonna look into

how do you go from townlocking me to changing

[Alexander489]

Jun 3, 2019 21:02:10 GMT Alexander489 said:

Jun 3, 2019 17:08:17 GMT qtball said:

ngl alex’s tone when responding to cuddleszz didn’t even seem town to me, but I also think I saw something interesting that I’m gonna look into

how do you go from townlocking me to changing

STOP PUTTING EMOJIS WHEN I PUT TRIPPLE QUESTION MARKS STUGPID FORUMS

[Alexander489]

This goes out to qtball and cuddleszz because they know i am town.

[Fenrir]

Deadline. Final votecount incoming. Do not discuss the game in this thread or anywhere else (barring the Mafia chat if you are a Mafia member).

FtF was originally going to provide votecounts earlier, but ended up unable to due to internet restrictions, for which we apologize.

[Fenrir]

Final Day 1 Votecount
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derpeddeath (5)- duskfall, nuxl, Alexander489, qtball, Fort Fortifies Fort's Fortress
duskfall (1)- derpeddeath
nuxl (1)- ayia
Alexander489 (1)- cuddleszz

Not Voting (5)- dayan, edjeanerations, ivanthebest, kotsytbussiness20, sircloud


derpeddeath has been lynched. They were a Town Jailkeeper.

It is now Night 1. Night 1 will end on June 4, 2019, at 7:00 PM EST. Submit all actions privately via either Discord PM or the Mafia's factional chat.[/font]

[Fenrir]

cuddleszz has died. They were a Vanilla Townie.

It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end on June 7 2019 at 7:30 PM EST. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

Snaq ◢ ◤ has subbed in for dayan.

[qtball]

erm no offense to cuddleszz but... what?

[qtball]

Jun 3, 2019 21:02:10 GMT Alexander489 said:

Jun 3, 2019 17:08:17 GMT qtball said:

ngl alex’s tone when responding to cuddleszz didn’t even seem town to me, but I also think I saw something interesting that I’m gonna look into

how do you go from townlocking me to changing

i didn’t change, I said your tone didn’t seem Townie but this wasn’t me changing the read. Also me questioning cuddleszz only for him to die has me shook

[Fort Colorcastle]

I think the fact that everyone active is alive means that there's a key mistake somewhere being made.

[Fort Colorcastle]

lynch edjenerations to start off. I was hoping their opening post was a sign they wanted to be active, but they ended up saying nothing else besides asking how to italics/bold
ps-mafia.proboards.com/user/932/recent

Alex is in the same boat until he stops shitposting that he's active and actually becomes active.

Edjenerations is in the same boat but not even pretending to be active.

But before I get back to actual scum/townhunting, QOL stuff.

Final Vote History:
Alex -> Dayan
Nuxl -> Duskfall
Fort -> Duskfall
Qtball -> Ayia
derpeddeath -> Alex
Ayia -> Fort
Nuxl -x Duskfall -> Fort
derpeddeath -x alex -> Duskfall
duskfall -> derpeddeath
qtball -x ayia
qtball -> cuddleszz
nuxl -x fort -> derpeddeath
alex -x dayan
alex -> derpeddeath
ayia -x fort -> derpeddeath
qtball -x cuddleszz -> derpeddeath
cuddleszz -> edjerations
ayia -x derpeddeath -> nuxl
fort -x duskfall
fort -> derpeddeath
cuddleszz -x edjenerations -> alex

admittedly this doesn't give context but imo still somewhat useful
also these are the possible setups from townside.



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my big question marks coming into today are on edjenerations, ayia, and alex, in that order.
i noticed that a big discrepancy between cuddleszz's reads and everyone else's is a SR on alex.
nuxl is also constantly laughing off any attempt to SR alex (and so is alex himself), which I guess answers my previous question on behalf of ayia.

[Fort Colorcastle]

oops, forgot to remove my comment about edjenerations after saying alex is in the same boat; i originally was gonna park my lynch on alex

[Alexander489]

Jun 5, 2019 1:24:49 GMT Fort Colorcastle said:

lynch edjenerations to start off. I was hoping their opening post was a sign they wanted to be active, but they ended up saying nothing else besides asking how to italics/bold
ps-mafia.proboards.com/user/932/recent

Alex is in the same boat until he stops shitposting that he's active and actually becomes active.

Edjenerations is in the same boat but not even pretending to be active.

But before I get back to actual scum/townhunting, QOL stuff.

Final Vote History:
Alex -> Dayan
Nuxl -> Duskfall
Fort -> Duskfall
Qtball -> Ayia
derpeddeath -> Alex
Ayia -> Fort
Nuxl -x Duskfall -> Fort
derpeddeath -x alex -> Duskfall
duskfall -> derpeddeath
qtball -x ayia
qtball -> cuddleszz
nuxl -x fort -> derpeddeath
alex -x dayan
alex -> derpeddeath
ayia -x fort -> derpeddeath
qtball -x cuddleszz -> derpeddeath
cuddleszz -> edjerations
ayia -x derpeddeath -> nuxl
fort -x duskfall
fort -> derpeddeath
cuddleszz -x edjenerations -> alex

admittedly this doesn't give context but imo still somewhat useful
also these are the possible setups from townside.



~~~~~


my big question marks coming into today are on edjenerations, ayia, and alex, in that order.
i noticed that a big discrepancy between cuddleszz's reads and everyone else's is a SR on alex.
nuxl is also constantly laughing off any attempt to SR alex (and so is alex himself), which I guess answers my previous question on behalf of ayia.

I AM ACTIVE

[Alexander489]

GUYS SNAQ IS IN GAME NOBODY PANIC

[Edjeanerations]

Jun 5, 2019 1:24:49 GMT Fort Colorcastle said:

lynch edjenerations to start off. I was hoping their opening post was a sign they wanted to be active, but they ended up saying nothing else besides asking how to italics/bold
ps-mafia.proboards.com/user/932/recent

Alex is in the same boat until he stops shitposting that he's active and actually becomes active.

Edjenerations is in the same boat but not even pretending to be active.

But before I get back to actual scum/townhunting, QOL stuff.

Final Vote History:
Alex -> Dayan
Nuxl -> Duskfall
Fort -> Duskfall
Qtball -> Ayia
derpeddeath -> Alex
Ayia -> Fort
Nuxl -x Duskfall -> Fort
derpeddeath -x alex -> Duskfall
duskfall -> derpeddeath
qtball -x ayia
qtball -> cuddleszz
nuxl -x fort -> derpeddeath
alex -x dayan
alex -> derpeddeath
ayia -x fort -> derpeddeath
qtball -x cuddleszz -> derpeddeath
cuddleszz -> edjerations
ayia -x derpeddeath -> nuxl
fort -x duskfall
fort -> derpeddeath
cuddleszz -x edjenerations -> alex

admittedly this doesn't give context but imo still somewhat useful
also these are the possible setups from townside.



~~~~~


my big question marks coming into today are on edjenerations, ayia, and alex, in that order.
i noticed that a big discrepancy between cuddleszz's reads and everyone else's is a SR on alex.
nuxl is also constantly laughing off any attempt to SR alex (and so is alex himself), which I guess answers my previous question on behalf of ayia.

I AM ACTIVE AS WELL... just not as active as I should be. 
I should mention that I'm just finishing my last couple days of high school so that's sorta my excuse. That means that my availability to speak here is somewhat sporadic and limited, but I'll do my best to stay more active from now on.

[Edjeanerations]

So looking at what I missed from the rest of d1, it mostly looks like nuxl and sircloud duking it out so that's kinda annoying. Also about derp's lynch, did they actually ever claim? If not then that's kind of a shitty move, and if so, we should probably look at those who were on him. But now that I think about it, the wagon on derp was big enough where there's only a realistic chance of one or (barely possibly) two scum on it. Everyone (including me, though I chose not to lynch) was basically fixated on derp, and I feel like for me it was also sort of based off of just how I play with him on PS, which kinda sucks.

I know none of this was really too helpful but I'm trying to be more active so I decided to just speak my mind.

[sircloud]

Jun 2, 2019 2:58:03 GMT Alexander489 said:

lynch derp

this came out of nowhere and it cost us the jailkeeper, sure thing it was in your scumreads but you parked on it for the rest of the game and it was sort of bandwagoning. Your posts also look really trolly, after your scumreads every post you made is like this. You’re basically lurking because you don’t say anything meaningful to the game.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Yo everyone, I've slightly been casually reading the game at times. Have a general idea what's going on right, but am gonna start re-reading through the game rn and gather my thoughts.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Aight, so the thing I want to start with as its been on my mind since starting reading back on the thread. From the limited attention I paid beforehand, one thing I did think was that derped was acting very strange and was probably scum so I can't blame you all for this lynch...

Overall I like the starting conversation at the end of day 1. It seemed like a good way for nuxl to get to know alex and his relations so +1 for that. Cool that Fort explained the setup, but the percentages don't do much for me either. What do we know about the current setup with the JK flip? Regardless, I hope that as I read on he'll have more content than mechanic related stuff.

Fort seems to kinda get better with his page 3 post, TBZs reasoning did seem spotty there and looking back on it was pretty strange. At least from PS people often do these kinda dumb things where they feel like the centerpoint of the game, but TBZ picking on it feels like it could be a scumpush. However, Ayia's post after is more interesting to me. Ayia says that they find Fort null, which okay everyone had him null or SR, and Nuxl as a SR. There's blind trust in TBZ in this post, and other reads that don't get explained besides "phrasing issue". It's early in the game still but not a fan of this filler-reads post. Ayia later responds to Fort's post with an overanalysis of their noob vs. be docced thing.

tl;dr i can see why fort was sorta scummy here, but tbz + ayia ganging up on it with weak reasoning seems like a scum move ganging up on an easy victim. at this point of reading back those two would be my SRs, but also at this point like 5 people truly talked. i dont see fort being fort being scum if either or both of them are scum

Only other thing worth commenting on this page is the part about feigning activity by fort. Kinda odd to call this out as nuxl made a few good points and seems to have helped to get the game started at this point, but it was also a response to being called out to it, so ok then.

This was up to page 3, Im gonna brb but will continue later

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

fwiw, I don't know if I mentioned it clearly, but this will all be in context of the game up to the point i read. as if i posted it on the pages im commenting on. aight, cool lets move on

Nothing of worth seems to have happened on page 4. Just a bit of bickering, random talk, and stuff like that. nuxl why do you feel like TBZ is / was definitelyl town regardless of Ayia's alignment. Pretty opposite of what I got.

On page 5, "solving through a town core" is mentioned. I remember from skimming the thread that I wasn't a huge fan of the extreme trust that sometimes seemed to come without good reason. I'd like to see the reasoning for the town core and why.
edit from reaching page 6: why is alex suddenly trusted, especially with his townread of tbz. i dont see alex+tbz scum acting this way where they so explicitly go together, but i do think that either of this could easily be a mistake. otherwise nuxl seems town and dusk null right now. maybe im confusing the two, but nuxl seems to have helped the game forward, while dusk was a bit less active and mostly seemed to comment on this. i hope to read iso of the involved players when im done catching up

Nuxl "i feel like it's weird people are sring me based on my style/way of posting and not due to my actual content" <- it's so annoying when this happens, but it happens a LOT on ps

annoyed that so far edje, ivan, kots, and sircloud basically have given me nothing to go off, and alex as far as i remember only said stuff at the beginning, too

end of page 6

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

ah, page 7, this is where derped shows up. yeah, i would've probably lynched this too day 1. I'll not waste time analysing him obviously, but the interactions may be interesting

ayia also questions the towncore here. i feel like this makes tbz + ayia scum that i mentioned earlier a bit less likely, and instead adds a possibility of ayia feeling threatened by the towncore here as scum. if ayia is town, then it doesn't really say much about the towncore to me, besides that I agree that it seemed a bit too much based on trust that I didn't see.

"Tbz and alex are meant to be good players. This means I can trust their reads as long as they are town. Now if they are both townreading each other, this means that they form a realtionship where, unless they are msplaying, they are the same alignment. Both of them didn't say they "think" or "believe" the other one was town, but made it very clear that they are reasonably sure of each other's alignment being town. As long as their mafia skills back up what they say, that means I will trust what they say and tbz vs alex is therefore not tvs."

I can get the reasoning, but I would like to believe that you know that people make mistakes and I know that both make mistakes often enough. I feel like it's a dumb to just trust them based on each other, instead of what you think. I do like the analysis that it's not svs though, I agree with that, just don't trust them not to misread. Once again, Ayia responds to this post and so does fort. This time from Ayia it feels less like just being afraid and more like analysing it. I do appreciate that both are willing to question power players at this point.

kots starts showing up a bit, really dislike how he's using his inexperience as an excuse instead of trying to participate and get better. im starting to get afraid of lurking scum right now, who are slightly active but dont actually say anything .

after this it's mostly nuxl v dusk interactions that i dont get much new from.

Ayia: "@qtballz get off im obv town" ...........

Duskfall: "Well you are still a townread just not super hard locktown. I think there's a few things missing, but you generally get more obvtowny later in the game when you get your proper reads out."

What does this mean for the "towncore" you assembled. How do you feel about that now? Did your read change since page 10 (and how)?

end of page 10

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Just came back from showering and wanted to post one thing quickly as I was thinking about it. I haven't really touched on how I actually read alex. He's not done that much so far, but interaction w/ tbz / towncore / ayia wise, I feel like he has a decent chance to be scum if ayia is town from what i read so far

also with confidence from TBZ. he's the kinda player to be "confident" in a read enough, to fakeclaim Bloodhound, and push a townie to death that way. i really dont mindlessly trust his confidence