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Post by meower9lives on Jun 23, 2019 12:48:25 GMT
It may seem like i'm being defensive, which I kind of am. I'm annoyed that you are saying you want to lynch me with your reasoning incorrect.
"Also random hindsight note, I saw C7 mention "I would give my life to say that freddy is town" somewhere, which probably meant he cleared him. Would fetch quote if I had more time"
Also I just noticed this upon rereading your quote which just made me a bit suspicious of you. It seems like you possibly saw this as a clearing on freddy (which how could it be if it was Vanilla) and killed him for it.
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Post by meower9lives on Jun 23, 2019 12:56:00 GMT
@ Sir Mister
When you next come on, I would like you not to lynch anyone, but to appropriately respond to what i've said, and check the possible rolelists to see why I posted that table in the first place.
Both of you, I feel everyone answering the following questions about each other will help me find scum.
(Answer these for each other person alive)
1. What are some townie and scummy things about them
2. Why do you think if they are scum they would kill freddy
3. Why do you think they might've bussed in the situations where they lynch scum.
I will reread and post my answers shortly
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 23, 2019 15:07:22 GMT
Sir Mister you wanna reply to what I said end of Day 5 or am I still on ignore?
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 23, 2019 15:27:39 GMT
Someone did mention that C7 was kinda obvious (I think that was Zorquax), I can see why now. Also random hindsight note, I saw C7 mention "I would give my life to say that freddy is town" somewhere, which probably meant he cleared him. Would fetch quote if I had more time My lynch on midwife was mainly directed towards ScorrchingTheaph, the intent was that that would be the lynch of the day, unless someone came up with some bs to get around that lynch. And only 1 thing happened that day with the intent of shifting the lynch: [ x] I think I mentioned it and it was more of his reaction to Neo's hypo. Schia and C7 mentioned that about Neo. Where are you getting the idea that Freddy was clear? Idk how your midwife lynch directed anything at me. You'll have to answer the question I reposted a gorillion times. gtg btw bbl |
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Post by Sir Mister on Jun 23, 2019 21:15:07 GMT
I have a few things to say about your bad rereading. 1: I had seen enough into the slip, and was trying to get people to listen to me. Also it was in no way BS. 2: Would Gimm1ck hardbus me, and would I screw my partner over if I was dying. 3: How would my table have been ANY help to a Mafia Roleblocker, I merely posted all possibilities. 4: How was I pocketing you... 5: Have you not ignored ? If you lynch me and are town, I hope you enjoy being the reason town loses. 1) - k 2a) - Would Gimm1ck hardbus you? Well I mean, I wouldn't call that an actual hardbus. He voted you for RVS, then you were spouting nonsense about zol and he did call that out, but he also mentioned Neo and C7 being scummy (Neo trying to gain towncred with the hypo, C7 lurking). You didn't give a reason to go off of him at any point, I can see him being cornered into staying on you there. 2b) - Would you screw over your partner? This was my entire reason for townlocking you when Icame in here. It just seems like a bad play. But with everything that happened, I'm seeing the wifom posibilties? You could argue that if someone pushes you and flips scum, the push is kinda invalidated. If the reasoning behind the push is bad, that's even more positive for the person being pushes. Which is bad reasoning, cause Gimm1ck wouldve gotten more attention the days after, and I believe he wouldve been caught. I sure wouldve looked into him if I were subbing in by that hypothetical situation. 3) What I actually had in mind and didn't get across, because I needed to take another 30-45 minutes to properly write that tbh, was the posibility of there being a feline Mafia Rolecop, that inspected C7 N1. He wouldn't want to have his partner called out, and could have said this to make the cop keep a potential Roleblocker Inspect to himself. As the cop would see that Roleblocker can be town too. Ig that's a bit far fetched, but it does make a lot of sense if you read it with that in mind. 4) I believe I was kinda the only one alive that TRed you, IF you're scum, your win condition wouldve been maintaining my TR and take it to lylo. There's 2 links that refer to you saying "Sir Misters reads are pretty good, yes I like them" I know I haven't been as obvious town as Neo for example, (and ZoL to me at least), but here I am in 2v1 lylo with one of my original TR and my original main SR. 5) ScorrchingTheaph This should answer you too. I did try to address that in this [ x]. I thought that scor's reasoning was both Neo mentioning it, and this [ x], which relieved me of the thought that it was a lynch for bs D4 RVS. Then realised im stupid and that Neo didn't actually say anything in a cryptic manner about that, but Scor's reasoning were still out there so it was fine to me. That's the reasoning. Take it or... lose ig. |
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Post by meower9lives on Jun 23, 2019 21:33:50 GMT
"Ig that's a bit far fetched, but it does make a lot of sense if you read it with that in mind."
I actually see where you can see it make sense, but if I was a Mafia Rolecop, saying that could just as easily cause me to screw myself over as it could help protect animal.
Ngl one reason I think you are town now is because you actually are suspicious of me, but as scum you'd just take my tr on you and use it to get ? lynched.
You said you "eventually plan on lynching me" has that changed. Regardless of if it has or not, why did/do you plan on lynching me, it seems from what you are saying that you are giving more reason to TR me than SR me.
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Post by Sir Mister on Jun 23, 2019 21:38:14 GMT
@ Sir Mister When you next come on, I would like you not to lynch anyone, but to appropriately respond to what i've said, and check the possible rolelists to see why I posted that table in the first place. Both of you, I feel everyone answering the following questions about each other will help me find scum. (Answer these for each other person alive) 1. What are some townie and scummy things about them 2. Why do you think if they are scum they would kill freddy 3. Why do you think they might've bussed in the situations where they lynch scum. I will reread and post my answers shortly 1) Townie things about ScorrchingTheaph: apparent moment of mindmeld with Schia, Neo's Seal of approval, starting a wagon on scum and having a reason to, exchanging poems. Scummy things about ScorrchingTheaph: him calling out the D2 freddy wagon for being scummy and opportunistic [ x], without really explaining why he thought the people on there were scummy. (as an fyi, wagon was Neo, Jordan & Zorquax, all flipped town) 2) [ x] (I'm assuming he is gonna answer the same thing if he responds to this) 3) Scor's bus situation that I'd see for the D4 AnimalMidWife is: Start a vote on them to force them to do something, try to help them react in a townie way, plan to shift to someone else. Then he's people follow his lynch and he's cornered cause his partner doesn't show up, thus he can't justify an unlynch. Tagging meower9livesI hope it's clear that my main read of the moment is still scum!Meower. |
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Post by meower9lives on Jun 23, 2019 21:40:46 GMT
Ok, i've made it clear my current read is you being town and ? being scum.
Lets hear ?s current lean.
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Post by meower9lives on Jun 23, 2019 21:51:39 GMT
Ngl I will say I don't see much reason for ? being scum, it's mainly that I see a ton of reason for you being town and little reason for him being town.
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Post by meower9lives on Jun 23, 2019 21:52:02 GMT
At this point i'm solving this more by townhunting than scumhunting.
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Post by meower9lives on Jun 23, 2019 22:03:24 GMT
"1) Townie things about ❓: apparent moment of mindmeld with Schia, Neo's Seal of approval, starting a wagon on scum and having a reason to, exchanging poems."
So you tr him for agreeing with schiavetto.
He started a wagon on scum that he didn't give reason for until the next day.
He lynched the town wagon day 1, not the scum one.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 24, 2019 2:52:47 GMT
Lets hear ?s current lean. I made my stance clear EoD5. I don't see why a no kill into a no lynch into ZoL death would've significantly changed my mind. The only thing holding me back from lynching is that we are in a lynch triangle where I want to lynch Sir Mister who wants to lynch meower9lives who wants to lynch me, and I would expect scum to take advantage of this. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 24, 2019 3:06:11 GMT
I have a few things to say about your bad rereading. 1: I had seen enough into the slip, and was trying to get people to listen to me. Also it was in no way BS. 2: Would Gimm1ck hardbus me, and would I screw my partner over if I was dying. 1) - k 2a) - Would Gimm1ck hardbus you? Well I mean, I wouldn't call that an actual hardbus. He voted you for RVS, then you were spouting nonsense about zol and he did call that out, but he also mentioned Neo and C7 being scummy (Neo trying to gain towncred with the hypo, C7 lurking). You didn't give a reason to go off of him at any point, I can see him being cornered into staying on you there. 2b) - Would you screw over your partner? This was my entire reason for townlocking you when Icame in here. It just seems like a bad play. But with everything that happened, I'm seeing the wifom posibilties? You could argue that if someone pushes you and flips scum, the push is kinda invalidated. If the reasoning behind the push is bad, that's even more positive for the person being pushes. Which is bad reasoning, cause Gimm1ck wouldve gotten more attention the days after, and I believe he wouldve been caught. I sure wouldve looked into him if I were subbing in by that hypothetical situation. 2b) You're both wrong. I don't think this happened, but if meower was scum with Gimm1ck, then trying to call out a "slip" from Gimm1ck in an attempt to save himself would net Gimm1ck towncred if meower was lynched. In theory, coordinated scum play of scum becoming the attempted counterwagon to scum gives the counterwagon some semblance of towncred, because usually a scumteam would want to shift to a town to save themselves. This means scum!meower would not be screwing over his partner in that scenario. The thing is, scum!gimm also has no reason to lynch a scum partner D1 and stay parked for the whole day. I also highly doubt a meower x gimm scumteam being coordinated enough to orchestrate such a complex play. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 24, 2019 3:15:01 GMT
1) Townie things about ScorrchingTheaph : apparent moment of mindmeld with Schia, Neo's Seal of approval, starting a wagon on scum and having a reason to, exchanging poems. Scummy things about ScorrchingTheaph : him calling out the D2 freddy wagon for being scummy and opportunistic [ x], without really explaining why he thought the people on there were scummy. (as an fyi, wagon was Neo, Jordan & Zorquax, all flipped town) Agreeing with a townie is hardly a good reason to townread someone. What happened to making your own reads? Writing a poem in itself is NAI. It's the content that matters. In the post you link I literally say why: "It seems like too easy of a lynch to push." It should be self-evident that a lurker who agreed to lynch with Gimm1ck would be an easy lynch, which is why I came to the (incorrect) conclusion that scum was pushing the wagon. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 24, 2019 3:29:44 GMT
"Also random hindsight note, I saw C7 mention "I would give my life to say that freddy is town" somewhere, which probably meant he cleared him. Would fetch quote if I had more time" Also I just noticed this upon rereading your quote which just made me a bit suspicious of you. It seems like you possibly saw this as a clearing on freddy (which how could it be if it was Vanilla) and killed him for it. This quote from Sir Mister makes no sense, especially because when I asked him for the 4 people townreading freddy, he brought up nothing from C7 and instead brought up reads from ZoL, himself, and me along with a Neo quote that is reiterating my reads. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/58789/thread If C7 had said something about freddy, which I don't think he did (I'll check his iso later), Mister could've easily brought it up to back up his previous claim. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 24, 2019 3:36:51 GMT
3) Scor's bus situation that I'd see for the D4 AnimalMidWife is: Start a vote on them to force them to do something, try to help them react in a townie way, plan to shift to someone else. Then he's people follow his lynch and he's cornered cause his partner doesn't show up, thus he can't justify an unlynch. I was under the impression that midwife slot was AFK. |
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Post by Sir Mister on Jun 24, 2019 16:44:59 GMT
@ Sir Mister When you next come on, I would like you not to lynch anyone, but to appropriately respond to what i've said, and check the possible rolelists to see why I posted that table in the first place. Both of you, I feel everyone answering the following questions about each other will help me find scum. (Answer these for each other person alive) 1. What are some townie and scummy things about them 2. Why do you think if they are scum they would kill freddy 3. Why do you think they might've bussed in the situations where they lynch scum. I will reread and post my answers shortly , Can you answer these questions too please? I feel like these really are helpful. About both me and meower please, since you haven't really given an update on your view on meower since D3 Huh I just realised I was supposed to make this about meower too, guess im doing that. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 24, 2019 17:10:13 GMT
1. What are some townie and scummy things about them 2. Why do you think if they are scum they would kill freddy 3. Why do you think they might've bussed in the situations where they lynch scum. , Can you answer these questions too please? I feel like these really are helpful. About both me and meower please, since you haven't really given an update on your view on meower since D3 The questions suck ass. Nothing new is gained from answering them. I haven't given an "update" on my view on meower because my read hasn't changed.
Meower 1a. lynched gim who was the counterwagon to himself when gim was parked him 1b. keeps saying one thing but then walks it back 2. not sure. this kill doesn't make sense from meower. 3. already made my stance on this clear
Sir Mister 1a. lynched midwife 1b. reads keep completely changing. ignores my questions. 2. already said it 3. gives towncred and doesn't lose much b/c midwife was afk |
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Post by Sir Mister on Jun 24, 2019 17:38:25 GMT
@ Sir Mister When you next come on, I would like you not to lynch anyone, but to appropriately respond to what i've said, and check the possible rolelists to see why I posted that table in the first place. Both of you, I feel everyone answering the following questions about each other will help me find scum. (Answer these for each other person alive) 1. What are some townie and scummy things about them 2. Why do you think if they are scum they would kill freddy 3. Why do you think they might've bussed in the situations where they lynch scum. I will reread and post my answers shortly 1a) Townie things about Meower - - pushed gimm1ck N1
- Posted a "Last Will" before his expected death, which pointed towards scum
1b) Scummy things about Meower - - D1 zol wifom thing, that he ended up explaining with "I don't know why I said it"
- Panic reaction on D1 wagon
- Talking about being a rolecop to a rolecop without being able to really know there's a rolecop
- Was on both scumwagons without a good reason
- Possible pocketing attempt
- SRed/sled by zol/schia/zorquax/Neo, town of which most were nightkilled
- Did not exchange poems
- Has been asking everywhere to get other games to compare people's playstyles with, while he usually despises pmeta (pmeta-ception)
2) why would Meower kill Freddy - [ x] + It was unlikely for freddy to be lynched with how everyone saw him, + me mentioning that EXACTLY 1 of freddy/mike/animal would be scum. And yes ScorrchingTheaph my opinion/reads on him do matter. 3a) Why would meower bus Gimm1ck? - Wifom: Meower expected to die, he couldve bussed Gimm1ck to generate an idea of "Scum was pushing Gimm1ck, so Gimm1ck must be town!" 3b) Why would Meower bus animalmidwife? - Our votes weren't changing at that point (despite him mentioning that he did want to shift to Zoquax), so he could just as well hop on the wagon for some free Towncred™. His lynch didn't matter in that spot anyway. |
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Post by Sir Mister on Jun 24, 2019 17:40:56 GMT
"Also random hindsight note, I saw C7 mention "I would give my life to say that freddy is town" somewhere, which probably meant he cleared him. Would fetch quote if I had more time" Also I just noticed this upon rereading your quote which just made me a bit suspicious of you. It seems like you possibly saw this as a clearing on freddy (which how could it be if it was Vanilla) and killed him for it. This quote from Sir Mister makes no sense, especially because when I asked him for the 4 people townreading freddy, he brought up nothing from C7 and instead brought up reads from ZoL, himself, and me along with a Neo quote that is reiterating my reads. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/58789/thread If C7 had said something about freddy, which I don't think he did (I'll check his iso later), Mister could've easily brought it up to back up his previous claim. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/57595 |
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Post by Sir Mister on Jun 24, 2019 17:41:38 GMT
and ffs what do you not have answered at this point cause im pretty sure I've covered everything as far as questions go
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Post by meower9lives on Jun 24, 2019 18:05:28 GMT
1. I used a slightly informed rvs, that's all I will say for this
2. Fair enough, people say i'm panicky quite a bit regardless of alignment.
3. Based on dice, odds were that there was a Rolecop (On average half of them would be investigative which = rolecop), I posted a guide that would in no way be any help to anyone but a town aligned role cop. I see no reason you think i'm scum for posting something that if I were scum could easily incriminate me. You should see this as townie if anything.
4. Gimm1ck slipped, I had an amazing reason. I see what you mean for the second one though, I wanted points.
5. You could just as easily be pocketing me (except that you sr me so I doubt it).
6. Zorq didn't sr me, neither did ZOL
7. What good do poems do, all they seem to be is filler
8. I don't hate pmeta, I use it quite a bit.
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Post by meower9lives on Jun 24, 2019 21:06:59 GMT
I'm gonna answer my questions, but first a response to what ? said.
You claim to say i'm townie for lynching a cw, which A: Gimm1ck wasn't a cw when I lynched him (there was none until I caught Gimm1ck slipping) and B: Lynching a CW isn't townie
Can you elaborate on what you mean by walks it back, do you mean like I say something and later disagree with what I said.
Your stance isn't that clear.
On what you say about Sir Mister, he is answering most of your questions.
A lot of what you are saying for the TRs and SRs seems like you aren't putting effort and trying to just grasp at random things to try answering.
My answers to questions.
For Sir Mister.
1a: Gave prominence to the animalmidwife lynch, actually srs me (scum him would probably just ride my TR on him), all of his reading seems like it was well thought out, also a reason I didn't know I was allowed to say until today. At one point (as seen by my quote earlier), The host thought Sir Mister was dead based on them not being on the userlist and them saying there were 4 players, but they didn't end the game. That is one of my reasons for TRing them yesterday and today.
1b: His reasons for reads are pretty inaccurate, says some stuff gives him TRs/SRs when the stuff should give either the opposite or be NAI. He also is listing but
2: He voiced a townread on freddy
3: I could see him either doubting he could get a shift or bussing an AFK partner.
For ?
1a: Answering questions well (except for the last few)
1b: Reads and reasons seem like they aren't real. Also I mainly SR ? BC I tr SM
2: Either seeing SM's reads or framing, he did go after what SM said after the death.
3: Due to them likely being AFK, keeping them alive was probably not good and he could gain more from bussing.
Also one more thing I also originally thought I couldn't say. Unasked and in the main chat, Gimm1ck said he did indeed slip, not to anyone in particular.
I asked staff if I was allowed to say these things btw.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 25, 2019 1:16:24 GMT
This quote from Sir Mister makes no sense, especially because when I asked him for the 4 people townreading freddy, he brought up nothing from C7 and instead brought up reads from ZoL, himself, and me along with a Neo quote that is reiterating my reads. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/58789/thread If C7 had said something about freddy, which I don't think he did (I'll check his iso later), Mister could've easily brought it up to back up his previous claim. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/57595 Are we reading the same game? C7 is clearly talking about Neo, not Freddy. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 25, 2019 1:34:05 GMT
You claim to say i'm townie for lynching a cw, which A: Gimm1ck wasn't a cw when I lynched him (there was none until I caught Gimm1ck slipping) and B: Lynching a CW isn't townie Can you elaborate on what you mean by walks it back, do you mean like I say something and later disagree with what I said. Your stance isn't that clear. On what you say about Sir Mister, he is answering most of your questions. A lot of what you are saying for the TRs and SRs seems like you aren't putting effort and trying to just grasp at random things to try answering. I said you are townie for lynching a counterwagon that flipped mafia. A: You pushed Gimm1ck as a counterwagon. B: Lynching a counterwagon that flips scum is townie. You give a read and then in the next post you make sure to say that you are not sure. I remember bringing it up when you said you were "defintely" sure it was between Quax and me, and in the next post you also said you were "not 100%" sure. You also did this when you stated that you townread Sir Mister earlier, but right after you said that you "cannot be all that sure." Leaving multiple lynch options open is something scum would love to do, especially in lylo. What is not clear? His answers are not satisfactory. You caught me. I put almost no thought into answering those questions because the first one is incredibly vague and I have already stated my opinions about the next two. |
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