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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 16:31:16 GMT
Perhaps fillering wasn’t the right word, but what I said in my post at that time was that everyone else has been giving their thoughts on the game (analyzing) while GTS has only been giving out explanations (information) I've analyzed and gave info tyvm, you can't just take the scummier of the two and only justify that to take advantage disregarding everything else I've said |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 16:34:14 GMT
Unlynch Dudeplayz225, Lynch Battler
give me some actual justification and take notice of everything town says next time you're scum
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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 20, 2020 16:37:12 GMT
Honestly at that point doesn't it simply become an argument based on how you interpret words? In theory I can say that Cyan was in fact calling out cayden's inactivity and that you are wrong. Cyan asking someone to not be inactive bc they're a newbie is how you look at the words; it's a subjective view, which can only be cleared by Cyan. And lastly, I have almost no past interaction with anyone, so I will be unable to differentiate between a newbie and an experienced player. Not rly it's pretty clearly not that
okay i re-read that thing, to me "you can spend 10 mins writing something up, we have 48 hours, write your thoughts" seemed like a calling out on activity. if it makes you feel better, i was staring at my screen for a good 2 minute and laughing at my reading skillsWhat really doesn't stick right with me is the fact that you derived a whole traitor-goon interaction hypothesis. What's wrong with my reasoning tho?Extreme in-depth analysis in an unnecessary position; the derivation of a "this person's a traitor and this person's a goon" based off one small interaction seemed like an attempt to display that you're ready to go far and beyond to scumhunt |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 20, 2020 16:40:15 GMT
Unlynch Dudeplayz225, Lynch Battler give me some actual justification and take notice of everything town says next time you're scum This lynch has heavy "yeah look i lynched someone im being helpful!" vibes |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 16:40:26 GMT
Pushing towny strats does have use in gaining towncred, especially seeing as no one else mentioned it so AZ 'wouldn't have to mention it as scum'. That said, this was more supplementary to my earlier read on spiderz/AZ (which now I think is town/scum respectively). That said, I think it was vigvig who pointed out that hypo could even be negative in this setup, which does beg the question of whether or not AZ was intending to push a towny strat, or rather a scummy one in the guise of a towny strat. That could also explain why the 'nice catch' post seemed fake to me, because it could have been AZ hoping to minimise risk of someone figuring out the negatives of hypo. Still, this entire paragraph is speculation and could easily be barking up the wrong tree, but meh it makes sense to me. I- First off, I'm seriously honored that you think that I am a mastermind who has the ability to come up with an extremely elaborate plan to disguise hypo as a scummy strat in the guise of a towny strat. No really, it's fascinating how overthinking a simple idea can result in these thoughts. I'm going to raise Occam's razor and honestly end this me-being-evil-genius discussion. Fair and big rip if you really are that genius |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 20, 2020 16:46:46 GMT
I- First off, I'm seriously honored that you think that I am a mastermind who has the ability to come up with an extremely elaborate plan to disguise hypo as a scummy strat in the guise of a towny strat. No really, it's fascinating how overthinking a simple idea can result in these thoughts. I'm going to raise Occam's razor and honestly end this me-being-evil-genius discussion. Fair and big rip if you really are that genius I spent an hour trying to cup ramen with a single chopstick last week. mate. Eitherway I'm going to be off for a good 8-10 hour sleep. Last stuff before I go though, gut feeling really has started to say that GTS is just terrible town. I don't know, I think I've played a game or two on home site and have seen them. GTS just doesn't come off as a player who would be scum and yet have the guts to say "no im sticking to my rvs bc no fishy thing is happening". The recent battler lynch is extremely off but eh |
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Post by dudeplayz25 on Jun 20, 2020 17:03:16 GMT
Does being the first one to talk make you a tr?
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 17:03:22 GMT
Regarding what Tb2 just said with Cayden and sfl, I do find it not necessarily scummy but odd that Cyan just wants Cayden to be active disregarding how new they are because that's not a way we should work about this. What I do find scummy is though that Cayden's lack of action is fine but myself discussing the format is immediately a sr for cyan, becuase that's basically pmeta if you.re okay with them not helping solely because they're new but me discussing format is immediately scum. Also, battler isn't someone I like either making a read on me, saying this is scum cuz it isn't a blatant read and not speaking on anything else. @almost Zero I'm a little curious how my lynch was "off" and that I only did it for "towncred" given this and my following post. Also if you're gonna tell me you played with me on main before and "it just wasn't the same" I'm honestly disappointed. I'm getting town vibes from you but it feels like you're just gambling then tunnel vision praying that random reasons will make you right. |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 17:06:17 GMT
Currently haven't shifted from my original rvs as I said I wouldn't until something more evident came up. Have given a few leans/foggy though that may not be the clearest but they're there. There is definitely stuff that you can make pretty hard reads off of. Idk why gts would keep on failing to make proper analysis as scum, but it defo isn't a townplay Erm how exactly? Its just a response lol I don't feel I need to defend myself here just curious for your reasoning |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 17:12:32 GMT
There is definitely stuff that you can make pretty hard reads off of. Idk why gts would keep on failing to make proper analysis as scum, but it defo isn't a townplay Erm how exactly? Its just a response lol I don't feel I need to defend myself here just curious for your reasoning In terms of why you wouldn't do it as scum, it's scummy. In terms of why it's bad townplay, it's unhelpful and scummy. It may be d1, but there's been plenty of activity and it's not too much to ask you to to make reads with reasoning. |
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Post by dudeplayz25 on Jun 20, 2020 17:18:55 GMT
I'll just be over here, being confused as always because I don't want to read a billion words in the span of an hour. Or, someone can tell me what's going on.
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 17:22:59 GMT
I'll just be over here, being confused as always because I don't want to read a billion words in the span of an hour. Or, someone can tell me what's going on. :/ |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 17:48:47 GMT
I've made reads tho :/
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 17:59:45 GMT
Then why are you saying nothing has come up that's 'evident' yet. Also did you lynch battler for that one thing about not reading what you said properly, because if so that seems really defensive seeing as there are better reads not to do with people's interactions with you you should be talking about. Also can you like compile the reads you made in quotes pls so I don't miss them as I'm going back through to check that last statement.
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Post by Crespo on Jun 20, 2020 18:14:49 GMT
Hi I skim read bc lazy and thoughts rn are:
Not really an sr but something Gary said threw me off bc it was like "x, although I'm town" which just gives me bad vibes overall
Micro's reads seem half-assed and as many have pointed out the reasoning itself is just ?? but I can see him being lazy town or mafia tryna get any form of town cred and contribute
"K well yh I deserve that. I didn't think about that line in terms of sky being sred if you flip scum, but as some other shit about reading your partners, and I don't really understand what I meant by that myself anymore. yh k I'm sry." Tb2 saying this in response to Spiderz calling him out also rubs me the wrong way. He got called out and didn't know what to say which is zzz
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Post by Crespo on Jun 20, 2020 18:15:18 GMT
Oh and scorr I spent 5 mins trying to click ur signature smh
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Post by Crespo on Jun 20, 2020 18:21:04 GMT
I'll completely agree that part of what I've said has been IOA, although, I am town, and I was simply trying to explain that the information can be used as a basis for the reads to be made, some of which of mine had just been stated Post I was referring to wrt to Gary |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 18:25:29 GMT
I just said that because the link implies that IOA automatically makes you scum
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 18:29:41 GMT
Then why are you saying nothing has come up that's 'evident' yet. Also did you lynch battler for that one thing about not reading what you said properly, because if so that seems really defensive seeing as there are better reads not to do with people's interactions with you you should be talking about. Also can you like compile the reads you made in quotes pls so I don't miss them as I'm going back through to check that last statement. Well we've got a bunch of half-assed stuff (including this) being said, and I lynched battler with the reasons I provided. Not exactly sure how that's defensive and if you don't want reads off of reactions and interactions what do you want? Ngl tho, this feels town v town so I'm gomna set this aside and look back a bit on what's been said earlier and a bit less active users to see what I can pull from them |
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 18:47:32 GMT
Idk why my selected posts aren't selected, it whatevsssss but wall post of going over micro and tb2's bullshit soon, also hey toni, Its just a rick roll, but toni coming in and saying shit thats already been said 80 x over is kinda questionable even though I do appreciate him citing exactly what gave him bad vibes and shit. anyways Gary should not be as sred as much as he currently is, hes Null in my eyes currently the lynch today is either micro or tb2, prefer tb2, but I can sway to micro easily. anyways I appreciate everyone being active and shit goes the long way. Also 6 pages is not fucking a lot. I dont know what you expected when you joined a Forum game but if you cant sit through 6 pages please sub out, theirs so many other players I see in the playerlist that could be a lot more fun to play with then you. Im willing to say that theirs atleast one scum in cayden mystery and dudeplayz based off pure PoE. But anyways wall post incoming soon.
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Post by Crespo on Jun 20, 2020 18:52:51 GMT
anyways I appreciate everyone being active and shit goes the long way. Also 6 pages is not fucking a lot. I dont know what you expected when you joined a Forum game but if you cant sit through 6 pages please sub out, theirs so many other players I see in the playerlist that could be a lot more fun to play with then you. Spiderz popping off  |
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 19:00:21 GMT
oops I meant sublist btw
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 19:27:27 GMT
Lastly it's definitely worth commenting on the tr stuff that was happenning at the beginning, which is NAI, insofar as it could easily be composed of all town, all but 1 town, some town some scum, although probably not all (or most) scum since that takes too much preparation for something so risky. As such, aside from like blurb since he was the first one to post, I'd say reading purely based off of that is too swingy and risky. As for blurb, townlean for coming into the game usefully. This post is long for no reason you are saying "the tr chain is nai because they can all be scum or town, but i tr blurb for it" but complicated, now you can see how stupid it sounds for yourself. How the fuck do you contradict yourself so hard in 1 sentence. You say there is nothing scummy about it and then PROCEED TO SAY THAT IT IS NAI BECAUSE BOTH SCUM AND TOWN HAVE MOTIVES TO DO IT. YES both town and scum have motives to do it, which is why I SAID I read it as bad townie (because town realistically has no reason to do something like that) as opposed to scum. So its not even NAI, because it literally does Indicate his alignment, you can find almost anything to be townie motivate and scum motivated if you look hard enough. NAI things aren't scummy. Town realistically has a reason to help newbies: they're easier to read if they're trying to play properly and be active, and there's an off chance they'll make a good read (and even making a meh read is better than blindly sheeping).It wasn't even a general tip, how was what skyfig said a general tip. I literally said i didn't TR them so why are you saying I did. Your perception is so weird. I cant tell if you are looking into things too deep and warping what they are saying to fit your narrative because you are trying too hard to scumhunt or if you want to see people from the game gone this fast. That's true I didn't think about that properly.No their is clear paranoia from skyfig that that post is painting a Me + SkyFig scumteam if you read "sorta makes me feel like if you ever flip scum, this line esp is gonna come back to haunt me." not only that you also kinda blocked scorr trying to scumread to do ur own bullshit which is ?_? unvote toni vote tb2 since ur warping literally everything to fit your own narrative. Its either that are your bad townie trying hard to look like they know what they are talking about because you can spew out buzzwords which is also believable knowing you, don't tell someone "It tends to help to read before you post." when you've ignored everything everyone has been truly saying thus far its really hypocritical and it makes you look like a prick K well yh I deserve that. I didn't think about that line in terms of sky being sred if you flip scum, but as some other shit about reading your partners, and I don't really understand what I meant by that myself anymore. yh k I'm sry.(stuff in red is what I wrote because it's easier to address within the quote) This post is so ugly, but you did back off once your realized that you were wrong, it makes me think you are bad townie, but honestly this could be Scum backing off on an argument they don't see winning. Nice catch. I didn't think of it this way. There's a contrary solution where we can choose the towniest player and go from there, but that's another mess of its own, which given the current state of the game, isn't exactly ideal. But eitherway, I believe we should still go forward with the hypo plan. OK I have trouble believing that this is not a fake reaction, because hypos have been around a looong time and that's always been a downside of them. It seems to me like AZ is pushing hypo as a towny strat for a bit of towncred and is now a little peeved that something is getting in the way of that. Unvote spiderz Vote AlmostZero. Where? Where?  It does not look fake at all? Why would they fake this? Why? It Literally benefits town??? Like christ bro please finish your thought before you make a push on something. Theirs so many things wrong with this read list, first off why do you say that someone is doing something scummy and then TR them like with sky and vig adn tb2, vigs i dont even get at all. also you NULL cyan too and that was p weird considering you had an sr on gts. also AZ's sr makes no sense hows that scummy at all. our throwing out BS trs like you are afraid to TR, and i dont like how the ONLY one you dont explain is scorr, like you are intimidating by him so you have to tr him even if you dont have an actual reasoning. this is how most of your reads are coming off, pockety. also talking a lot is NAI you were literally in the MU qualifier where i posted like crazy and was scum. this reads to me like you are afraid to drop SR's so you are pocketing everyone you think has sway. your most valid read here is GTS. ay somebody else who didn’t read what I said. cyan and GTS aren’t doing the same thing, GTS is telling people how to play and Cyan is just asking questions. my thoughts on tb2 wasn’t scummy, i just have no fucking clue what he’s saying, which isn’t scummy. what sky did also isn’t scummy, I just mentioned how he’s limiting his thoughts that I think are town to two ppl. same thing goes with vigvig, he’s said something that is townie and I mentioned how nobody has given their thoughts on it. AZ sr is because tracker =/= cop and it’s so much easier to find a tracker from a hypo than it is with a cop. I am not afraid to drop srs, I just don’t have too many at the moment and I need more people to speak. Ok well I think this shows how stupid your reasoning is. Its incredible that you think any of this is valid, please re evaluate all of your reasonings and tell me how they correlate to the alignment that you claim they are. I don't see how you're seeing it this way. AZ pushing for hypos is NAI. Let's continue this discussion; why would scum!AZ be peeved at not having the hypo strat work out? Town hypoing has little benefits to scum, and if you think that AZ is trying to gain towncred by pushing for hypo, in what situation would said towncred be useful especially since setup discussions tend to not offer much of it in the first place? Pushing towny strats does have use in gaining towncred, especially seeing as no one else mentioned it so AZ 'wouldn't have to mention it as scum'. That said, this was more supplementary to my earlier read on spiderz/AZ (which now I think is town/scum respectively). That said, I think it was vigvig who pointed out that hypo could even be negative in this setup, which does beg the question of whether or not AZ was intending to push a towny strat, or rather a scummy one in the guise of a towny strat. That could also explain why the 'nice catch' post seemed fake to me, because it could have been AZ hoping to minimise risk of someone figuring out the negatives of hypo. Still, this entire paragraph is speculation and could easily be barking up the wrong tree, but meh it makes sense to me. adahdjhahadj you scumread AZ purely because they did a townie thing, and you think its just an attempt to get town cred oh lord save us all. Honestly at that point doesn't it simply become an argument based on how you interpret words? In theory I can say that Cyan was in fact calling out cayden's inactivity and that you are wrong. Cyan asking someone to not be inactive bc they're a newbie is how you look at the words; it's a subjective view, which can only be cleared by Cyan. And lastly, I have almost no past interaction with anyone, so I will be unable to differentiate between a newbie and an experienced player. Not rly it's pretty clearly not thatWhat really doesn't stick right with me is the fact that you derived a whole traitor-goon interaction hypothesis. What's wrong with my reasoning tho?Your reasoning is almost always warped and just clearly not true. You are stretching things to fit your narrative plain and simple. Currently haven't shifted from my original rvs as I said I wouldn't until something more evident came up. Have given a few leans/foggy though that may not be the clearest but they're there. There is definitely stuff that you can make pretty hard reads off of. Idk why gts would keep on failing to make proper analysis as scum, but it defo isn't a townplay youuuuuu areeeee coonnnnnnttrrrraaaaadiccctttttiiiiiingggg urseeeellfffff ohhhh myyyy gooooddddddddddddddd Erm how exactly? Its just a response lol I don't feel I need to defend myself here just curious for your reasoning In terms of why you wouldn't do it as scum, it's scummy. In terms of why it's bad townplay, it's unhelpful and scummy. It may be d1, but there's been plenty of activity and it's not too much to ask you to to make reads with reasoning. what the fuck are you even trying to say here this reasoning is so terrible and its like you could push gary for IIoA but the way you are doing it proves that you have no clue what IIoA does and how its correlating to Scum!Gary Anyways while i've pointed out the many issues here, I somewhat feel that he is genuinely stupid, this is because i know Tb2 has somewhat of an ego, and might be warping shit to appeal to hi s narrative in an attempt to look smart even though he has 0 clue as to what hes doing. That's why I'm a little afraid this can flip town. Micros shit on the other hand seems non genuine and forced which is why micro might be a safer voted. BUT that does not excuse all THIS, and I'm staying on TB2 for now, but if others are down for a micro shift, specifically either scorr and/or AZ I am too. Also I think it's safe to establish a Me/AZ/Scorr Town core for now. Lynches are between Tb2 and Micro today. Anyways following post will be dropping thoughts on Battler and Toni. |
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 19:32:50 GMT
Oh and Vig I guess, I'm not too sure about Vig, I can see vig as scum though, it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility but this is definitely a case to analyze more in-depth later in the game, I'm kinda scared here because I've actually been making a lot of TR's and its kinda bad so I want to keep a more open mind. Anyways I did say that I was making a bunch of TR's so I'm more inclined to believe that Toni is scum here, based on hist first post due to PoE reasons. And Battler looks like they are genuinely trying to scum hunt which I super appreciate and wasn't expecting this from their slot kudos to them, they look like a bad townie.
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 19:38:58 GMT
I mean I understand what you're trying to do, but break it up in English next time
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It does not look fake at all? Why would they fake this? Why? It Literally benefits town??? Like christ bro please finish your thought before you make a push on something. 
