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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 0:28:40 GMT
I think litteleven is town. Why would mafia say that? also this is literally the weakest read I've ever seen. There's a lot of reasons to say the things Litt said. Any drive town has to say something, mafia has an equal, alternative drive to say that same thing- to gain trust. I'm not saying you shouldn't note that what Litt said was helpful- it truly did raise a good point, Scept just did something stupid and got called out on it. But reading Litt as town based off of something so loose, plus so little explanation... it just looks like you're trying to hide behind Litt as if he's your shield.So this is the first post that caught my attention. The entire tone is a bit off, and until now I couldn't quite figure out what it was but I think it's that she just seems like she's TRYING to look town by being "fair" and "unbiased" but it's so unnatural that it just doesn't feel right I called out that last line (bolded) earlier but that one was the kicker: they were drawing meaning out of virtually nothing. It was literally 10 words and she somehow got a full essay's worth of content out of it oh, looking back on Litt's post has also made me realize that he's essentially trying to get players who aren't as good at reading to just sheep those who are trying, which honestly. Disturbs me a lot, personally.He's basically telling the players actually reading to be super careful as they have lots of power, but then those who aren't can just sheep their asses off until they find the right wrangler for them.This honestly is putting me off a lot, but because this is still in rhe earlier phases, I'll give it a pass and let Litt explain himself. This has the same problems as the last one (too forced). Especially that line in red; it's soooo forced like ugh why would some advice to town "disturb you personally" it's so dramatic Once again, in bold, she's attempting to draw meaning out of virtually nothing. Like that's not even close to what Litt said in the slightest I seriously doubt that line is scum-indicative. I mean for it to come from the place of a maf trying to act maliciously these things would need to be true: 1) Litt thinks that the game philosophy she posted is literally anti-town 2) Litt thinks that this anti-town game philosophy will be readily adopted by players after that one post 3) Litt thinks that no townie will call him out on this game philosophy that is literally anti-town. OR, more reasonably: 1) Litt thinks that this game philosophy is pro-town fair ig. honestly it just really puts me off, not as Litt is scum but as that line isn't helpful at all. I've said lines like that too many times to count in my months of mafia. one thing I really don't like is Ayia completely disregarding my attempts to explain myself but who knows maybe he's just being stubborn. That last line was a blatant lie and I discussed that prior LMAOOOOO okay that makes sense wow bias is definitely a thing, suddenly I townread you more ig the read still stands  i mean it's fair to scumread me, but like i think the aggressive part is literally just a me thing, but I do understand why you read me for overanalyzing. Here is actually fine and actually I townread her a little more after this post. I'm just bringing it up to provide contrast to her later posts i don't understand where this is coming from you did not attempt to explain yourself, you just justified?? sorry sweetie Lynch dragondriftaway"I just don't see what else it really means. But hey, maybe I'm reading too much. Maybe it's just some stupid one-off line telling people they need to vote, or smth" "a lot of what I said revolves around the final line of that post "Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads."" "honestly it just really puts me off, not as Litt is scum but as that line isn't helpful at all. I've said lines like that too many times to count in my months of mafia." note how you didn't respond to a single one of these lines honey you're literally walking on a tightrope right now I lynched her for the sake of pressure and she snapped I answered earlier why none of those things were valid for one reason or another but honestly the reason I hate this post is because she gets so defensive over my lynch right after she says she's okay with the read so sorry babe but going out of your way to press on lines that aren't me explaining myself is just nonsensical, you're trying to dig them into the back and put focus on me for wording my posts wrong. like shut the hell up. please. just. stop typing. you're no longer making any sense and are just looking for reasons to pounce. while I'm not gonna cross because I'm hesitant to say tunneling is really a scum move, but I'm going to kindly ask you to stop, take a deep breath, and read. again, she snapped for like no reason, and right after she said she was okay with my lynch. I think in context, the initial post was actually a forced effort to look town by not seeming defensive but when the lynch came she went off for the reasons she stated below i feel like i have reverted to my january roots of throwing a fit the moment someone scumreads me because I'm scared of dying. funny how that works. she's literally just scared of dying and thought going off on me would change my vote again, admitting the issue doesn't make it not an issue for now, my lynch still stands |
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 0:29:00 GMT
what did I agree with you for? He's referring to us agreeing with the idea of not liking the ForeverJoker lynch I think but I didn't like it before he didn't like it um- |
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 0:33:49 GMT
lieb quojova I think you both wanted to see my reasoning for arctina so that's above if you want
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Post by pkq on Jun 22, 2020 0:41:00 GMT
PKQ can I have your readslist? I kinda want to see where you stand for a few things show me your every spicy take I really don't have one at the moment |
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Post by pkq on Jun 22, 2020 0:43:28 GMT
ayia I am going to SR you because quojova is not obvious town I too agree, its like quojova makes so much sense but tries so hard to be town that really messes up me gettin a read on them. but sring someone for not agreeing with their read at this point of time, when there is an explanation for the read is not the way chief. I just don't see how someone is obvious town despite how good they seem in before even the day ends |
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Post by pkq on Jun 22, 2020 0:46:32 GMT
im watching avatar the last airbender no flame but in all seriousness i feel uncomfortable with ayia / yash both agreeing with me. sadwhal had a nice post coming back ig (but i bet he'll see this as me trying to backstep when i was just rvsing smh) either way i definitely think id lynch ayia before yash so Unlynch, Lynch AyiaDude the only thing I agreed with you on was the fact that ForeverJoker wasn't a good lynch, and I talked about it before you even brought it up that ForeverJoker seems like a scapegoat lynch for him being contentless and "new" to the game. I think another key point that further bolsters what I advocated for in the first place in regards to FJ (and it isn't piggybacking from what you said) is that someone (I forgot who) said that their gamestyle is apparently like this, and that we shouldn't be discrediting him for the lack of content? Just further proves what I believe in regards to him and his lynch What I am saying that both of you can't be mafia. Only one of you can unless one is traitor. you good bro? Not saying the read is shit but your past few posts draw so many assumptive lines that nobody would even say in D1. Please explain now that you're providing some form of readable content I think I am over thinking it. I should be better the next day. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 0:46:41 GMT
He's referring to us agreeing with the idea of not liking the ForeverJoker lynch I think but I didn't like it before he didn't like it um- Oh I guess I didn't, could've sworn I talked about how that post was NAI before tbz mentioned it but I can't find that post either way @qtballz i don't really see how me agreeing with you is scummy and I doubt that's the only reason you lynched me so what other stuff made you go to that decision? tbh there are way better lynches than me considering I'm one of the few people actually contributing at this point |
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Post by chad on Jun 22, 2020 0:48:06 GMT
I too agree, its like quojova makes so much sense but tries so hard to be town that really messes up me gettin a read on them. but sring someone for not agreeing with their read at this point of time, when there is an explanation for the read is not the way chief. I just don't see how someone is obvious town despite how good they seem in before even the day ends Thats because there really is no such thing as obvious town, its just a cop out for a player to give someone a town read without real thought XD. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 0:49:19 GMT
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Post by chad on Jun 22, 2020 0:50:20 GMT
im watching avatar the last airbender no flame but in all seriousness i feel uncomfortable with ayia / yash both agreeing with me. sadwhal had a nice post coming back ig (but i bet he'll see this as me trying to backstep when i was just rvsing smh) either way i definitely think id lynch ayia before yash so Unlynch, Lynch AyiaThis is so so bad, voting someone just cause they agree with you? What? |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 22, 2020 1:06:16 GMT
Votecount Update 1.3
Roughly 3 hours remain . If the deadline were to hit, ayia would be voted out.
Message me if there's an issue with the votes.
Countdown Clock
Votecount sheet
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 1:12:43 GMT
PKQ can I have your readslist? I kinda want to see where you stand for a few things show me your every spicy take I really don't have one at the moment Can I get your opinion on anything? Maybe me vs. arctina, or fj, or litt, or tbz randomly lynching me, or your stance on Tremenon's posts you haven't posted too much content at all |
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Post by tremenon on Jun 22, 2020 1:20:02 GMT
The way i think about it now is that if i dont have a good lynch i shouldnt throw my lynch around just to lynch, so if i dont find a good lynch tonight thats the way i think about it
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 1:31:06 GMT
We're getting dangerously close to deadline and no one is talking so I guess I'm going to operate the rest of the night like I'm poisoned. Going to do a full in depth readslist after I deal with some MU stuff.
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Post by tremenon on Jun 22, 2020 1:32:08 GMT
also @lifesucc whats your reasoning for lynching me again
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Post by tremenon on Jun 22, 2020 1:33:20 GMT
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Post by quojova on Jun 22, 2020 1:37:57 GMT
So we're less than 3 hours out from EoD at this point and ayia's on the plur seat with 2 votes. The reasoning his voters have is the above post from tbz which is pretty questionable and needs to be expanded upon and this from lieb: i don't understand where this is coming from you did not attempt to explain yourself, you just justified?? sorry sweetie Lynch dragondriftawayHonestly whoever this star person is comes off as genuine to me (I'm assuming that's dragon driftway?). Regardless Ayia's tone here sounds really off and almost as a forced lynch that he parked and is refusing to unvote; for that reason Lynch Ayia. This is a safe place for me to park as I continue reading. I'm pretty unconvinced by tone reads in general, it's a fine way to start a slight FoS but it's also so easy for scum to hide behind "tone reads" without ever needing to explain their thought process. The tone here is a bit condescending, but the conversation was between ddw and ayia was so toxic at this point from a few key miscommunications (escalated by ddw, really), that a tone read doesn't cut it for me. This "refusing to unvote" thing is pretty weak as well, I mean if ayia has a real, reasoned scumread on ddw why would he unlynch just because he was asked to? It's clear from his case on ddw that there is actual reasoning behind his read that makes it more than just a "forced lynch". The basis for this lynch is way too small on what I would consider to be a high-content and valuable townie. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 22, 2020 1:40:22 GMT
I'm going to be out for a bit more than an hour but I'll be back for EoD.
It also appears that I've graduated into a treestump.
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 2:13:04 GMT
1) sadisticnarwhal - town I loved Sadistic's wallpost and I find him very genuine; his reaction to his lynches seemed rational. 2) yashgreninja - town I've stated this before but Yash is p town to me for his positive contribution and townie tone (his posts are helpful without seeming fake and he does provide good insight into a lot of the players on the current playerlist. 3) pkq - scumlean? I'm going to dedicate an entire post to this because I don't really have reads off the top of my head; just think that some of the things he's said have been weird. Also don't like how he doesn't seem to have any opinions (still waiting for him to respond to my recent post to him) 4) foreverjoker - null We just don't have enough info here; he's been absent in all of our questions (which can be suspicious but it also could just be him not liking forum format or a slew of other NAI reasons) and the stuff he has said has been NAI stupidity 5) tremenon - scumlean I think Scept brought some interesting points here; probably also going to dedicate a post to this slot as well 6) chad - townlean I'm surprised to lean town this slot since his intro towards me was kinda weird; I might reassess this in a bit because it might partially be because he's defending me / saying I'm town. But idk his entire demeanor / tone is townie and I like the content of some of his posts 7) ayia bleh 8) lieb - null I want his response to my wallpost about Arctina, that probably decides where I stand with him 9) We're Trying who is this that weird We're Trying character can we get a sub 10) litteleven - townlean I don't know if this deserves an entire post but Litt's kinda slipped under the radar here. I like what I've read from them but I think they need a bit more pressure on future nights in order to solidify a read 11) qtball - scumlean I'm so confused on that lynch and I want to see the full reasoning behind it if it's literally just because I agreed with him I'd be shook but I'd probably put this closer to scum 12) ☆ - scum I already dedicated a post to this 13) lifesucc - town This changed from before; I'm aware. But I LOVED their push on Tremenon; I thought it was so spicy and delicious and the reasoning in it was so good and overlooked. If Trem does end up flipping scum this flips town because I don't see scum calling attention to their partner so strongly like that 14) ZestOfLife - null We have nothing to go off of here I kinda want a sub unless ZestOfLife you decide to appear 15) quojova - town Everyone should know I read this as town by now, but PKQ was questioning it for whatever reason so I suppose I'll explain again. They've been consistently making strong, well thought-out posts that aren't forced and are quite insightful on the various situations in the game. I specifically noted how our thought processes matched in a lot of the posts that he wrote which further signified his villyness |
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 2:36:33 GMT
Ok after looking at everything I am going to lynch lifesucc If my bolding is messed up forgive me Here is my thing with this. To say this is more of scum move means that you believe that litt, forever joker, or quojova are scum. All of them are just making cases about the game. I don't know why this quote from lifesucc stuck out to me, but it looks like you want town to keep guessing on who is scum, because you don't want no clear town reads. I might even take it a step further that you might be trying to save one of your partners if you happy to be lynch down the road. Either way from what I have seen I doubt lifesucc and quojova are mafia so I am going to keep my lynch on you lifesucc. I have no idea how you came to this conclusion These two go together so I'll talk about them together. I think my point still stands; the conclusion makes no sense. The two options are that he's just a confused town (which would be weird; PKQ is generally a solid player but I suppose it could just be the extended analysis of forum games that isn't his strong suit) or he's scum that's attempting to look town with some version of an analysis that makes no sense. In context I'm leaning towards the latter just because it was preceded by a lynch so it's more likely that he was just looking for a place to put his lynch and then shoved together some reasoning afterwards I have no idea how you came to this conclusion I think I am overthinking it tbh I'm going to say it again; this might just be my mantra for the entire game Admitting the problem does not make it less of a problem! and what led you to this conclusion lmao even then, as i have stated multiple times that statement can provide a slight lean, or it may even be nai. I said I saw this more as a scum move trying to gain ez towncred implying this is a very slight scumlean, rather than a hard sr, this scum, turbo. and what's up with the quojova read? and if you doubt I'm 'mafia', why are you lynching me? did you make a typing mistake here? What I am saying that both of you can't be mafia. Only one of you can unless one is traitor. Okay but your reasoning on him is terrible in the first place! Also I still don't know why you stand by the Scept vs Quo after you admitted you were overthinking ayia I am going to SR you because quojova is not obvious town your mind this is yet another instance of NAI stupidity This was dumb and I still think it's NAI stupidity wait there's no more LMAO and that's every post of substance he had and there wasn't even that much stubstance i- He proceeded to deflect my question when I asked for his takes on stuff and hasn't addressed Litt's lynch on him Unlynch, Lynch PKQI still strongly believe Arctina is scum but that wagon is obviously not gaining traction and I'd rather stay in the game for a bit longer; town will not do great with the amount of inactives with the game If I end up getting lynched PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE lynch Arctina over PKQ tho, my reasoning there is a lot stronger since I have a lot more posts to go off of |
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 2:37:14 GMT
Gonna start my wall post on Trem now but I doubt it's going to be that long because Trem's content is limited
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Post by chad on Jun 22, 2020 2:40:22 GMT
Not sure where I wanna go, I may abstain because I'm a little far behind on my thoughts.
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Post by myo! on Jun 22, 2020 2:43:41 GMT
also this is literally the weakest read I've ever seen. There's a lot of reasons to say the things Litt said. Any drive town has to say something, mafia has an equal, alternative drive to say that same thing- to gain trust. I'm not saying you shouldn't note that what Litt said was helpful- it truly did raise a good point, Scept just did something stupid and got called out on it. But reading Litt as town based off of something so loose, plus so little explanation... it just looks like you're trying to hide behind Litt as if he's your shield.So this is the first post that caught my attention. The entire tone is a bit off, and until now I couldn't quite figure out what it was but I think it's that she just seems like she's TRYING to look town by being "fair" and "unbiased" but it's so unnatural that it just doesn't feel right I called out that last line (bolded) earlier but that one was the kicker: they were drawing meaning out of virtually nothing. It was literally 10 words and she somehow got a full essay's worth of content out of it oh, looking back on Litt's post has also made me realize that he's essentially trying to get players who aren't as good at reading to just sheep those who are trying, which honestly. Disturbs me a lot, personally.He's basically telling the players actually reading to be super careful as they have lots of power, but then those who aren't can just sheep their asses off until they find the right wrangler for them.This honestly is putting me off a lot, but because this is still in rhe earlier phases, I'll give it a pass and let Litt explain himself. This has the same problems as the last one (too forced). Especially that line in red; it's soooo forced like ugh why would some advice to town "disturb you personally" it's so dramatic Once again, in bold, she's attempting to draw meaning out of virtually nothing. Like that's not even close to what Litt said in the slightest fair ig. honestly it just really puts me off, not as Litt is scum but as that line isn't helpful at all. I've said lines like that too many times to count in my months of mafia. one thing I really don't like is Ayia completely disregarding my attempts to explain myself but who knows maybe he's just being stubborn. That last line was a blatant lie and I discussed that prior i mean it's fair to scumread me, but like i think the aggressive part is literally just a me thing, but I do understand why you read me for overanalyzing. Here is actually fine and actually I townread her a little more after this post. I'm just bringing it up to provide contrast to her later posts "I just don't see what else it really means. But hey, maybe I'm reading too much. Maybe it's just some stupid one-off line telling people they need to vote, or smth" "a lot of what I said revolves around the final line of that post "Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads."" "honestly it just really puts me off, not as Litt is scum but as that line isn't helpful at all. I've said lines like that too many times to count in my months of mafia." note how you didn't respond to a single one of these lines honey you're literally walking on a tightrope right now I lynched her for the sake of pressure and she snapped I answered earlier why none of those things were valid for one reason or another but honestly the reason I hate this post is because she gets so defensive over my lynch right after she says she's okay with the read so sorry babe but going out of your way to press on lines that aren't me explaining myself is just nonsensical, you're trying to dig them into the back and put focus on me for wording my posts wrong. like shut the hell up. please. just. stop typing. you're no longer making any sense and are just looking for reasons to pounce. while I'm not gonna cross because I'm hesitant to say tunneling is really a scum move, but I'm going to kindly ask you to stop, take a deep breath, and read. again, she snapped for like no reason, and right after she said she was okay with my lynch. I think in context, the initial post was actually a forced effort to look town by not seeming defensive but when the lynch came she went off for the reasons she stated below i feel like i have reverted to my january roots of throwing a fit the moment someone scumreads me because I'm scared of dying. funny how that works. she's literally just scared of dying and thought going off on me would change my vote again, admitting the issue doesn't make it not an issue for now, my lynch still stands so idk what the hell you're going on even though your biggest TR literally agreed with me that it was a terrible read on FJ's part. I never go for a tone when writing my posts, I just write whatever comes to my head with general guidelines of where I'm allowed to go and where not. "Disturbs me personally" may not have been the best wording, but you have no reason to take such alert over it, and the fact that you're admitting to getting tipped off over improper wording is real annoying and comes off as immature. the next part is basically trying to say that I'm reading too much into Litt's post, even though in my eyes, I was bringing up a fair and genuine concern, and then to the rest of the people, they could see how it could be misinterpreted (like I had misinterpreted it, not as in I reacted in a way to make people think that, but me reacting shows people that it could, it was after all, a genuine reaction.) this "blatant lie" wasn't so blatant, because in my eyes it looked like you were genuinely ignoring my attempts, though I'm on mobile and fucking blind, I had missed one of your responses. also reminder that you basically admitted to not caring and tried enforcing that I was lying even further by saying "oh this was just justifying not explaining" even though they're basically the same fucking thing serving the same fucking purpose in this scenario. also, you completely disregard your whole story in two posts where you say "oh I slightly tr you" which is just contradictory and makes zero sense. I never agreed with your lynch, I was fully against it. What I said was that I understood where you were coming from on your read, and that it was a valid reasoning to scumread me, despite the fact that you're wrong. When I "snapped", it's because I was literally fed up with how you weren't listening to me and just talking about my "aggressive tone" and "nonsensical reading" and yes, I'm definitely afraid of dying. Because many times have my deaths been over something like this, and I'm so used to seeing games go horribly wrong because I died, and nobody listened to me. really just making this post in general has honestly made you look worse. (and considering you complained about "shitty tone", yours comes off as no better than mine) you're just out for blood now. |
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Post by myo! on Jun 22, 2020 2:45:38 GMT
oop i'm ready for ayia to say something along the lines of "your mind"
well, I'm here to listen, I guess.
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Post by chad on Jun 22, 2020 2:45:46 GMT
Ngl you shouldn't be afraid to get lynched
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Also, is this myo?
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