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Post by sadisticnarwhal on Jun 21, 2020 20:26:17 GMT
I think litteleven is town. Why would mafia say that? Alright so this is my multiquote for the first 4 pages (there are 8 so I thought I'd split it up). Honestly like I said earlier it's so funny how everyone jumped to conclusions and argued so heavily over 10 words that are on like the first 10 posts on Day 1 and has literally 0 that can give you much genuine info on the player. I think litteleven is town. Why would mafia say that? also this is literally the weakest read I've ever seen. There's a lot of reasons to say the things Litt said. Any drive town has to say something, mafia has an equal, alternative drive to say that same thing- to gain trust. I'm not saying you shouldn't note that what Litt said was helpful- it truly did raise a good point, Scept just did something stupid and got called out on it. But reading Litt as town based off of something so loose, plus so little explanation... it just looks like you're trying to hide behind Litt as if he's your shield. So basically you're saying that they could either be helpful town or mafia trying to get towncred and they could just be whatever and its too hard to tell, which is similar to joker's defense later. oh, looking back on Litt's post has also made me realize that he's essentially trying to get players who aren't as good at reading to just sheep those who are trying, which honestly. Disturbs me a lot, personally. He's basically telling the players actually reading to be super careful as they have lots of power, but then those who aren't can just sheep their asses off until they find the right wrangler for them. This honestly is putting me off a lot, but because this is still in rhe earlier phases, I'll give it a pass and let Litt explain himself. I think I actually agree with this but how many noobs are actually in the game? You say "let litt explain himself" as though there wasn't objectively a small amount of posts and they just wanted to boost the activity early on, and as if there is more to it. he ;-; ayia it's literally me arc LMAOOOOO okay that makes sense wow bias is definitely a thing, suddenly I townread you more ig the read still stands  After the hard push for a decent amount of time playermeta just takes your entire read away? Aight (but don't worry I'm well aware a post I have further down shows this doesn't last long LMAO) Well for starters its just a day 1 read. It could change later on but I think mafia could of kept their mouth shut easily. Like they could of tried to gain plurality later on without revealing their plan. Litteleven could be mafia but right now I'm just guessing You looked into a slight read too much tbh This is just one of those posts that's like "this is my read, don't trust me it might be wrong, I have evidence that convinces me but if I'm wrong please don't hate me" and I can't tell whether that's just being noobish or actually just getting scared and wanting to relax on them. one thing I really don't like is Ayia completely disregarding my attempts to explain myself but who knows maybe he's just being stubborn. i don't understand where this is coming from you did not attempt to explain yourself, you just justified?? sorry sweetie Lynch dragondriftawayI kinda agree on the fact you were pretty stubborn but I don't think star made many good posts to defend their position against Litt. so sorry babe but going out of your way to press on lines that aren't me explaining myself is just nonsensical, you're trying to dig them into the back and put focus on me for wording my posts wrong. like shut the hell up. please. just. stop typing. you're no longer making any sense and are just looking for reasons to pounce. while I'm not gonna cross because I'm hesitant to say tunnelling is really a scum move, but I'm going to kindly ask you to stop, take a deep breath, and read. LMAOOOO how did I think you were tonally scum before when this was on the horizon i'm literally just responding to your posts rationally and then you pull this on me I'm weak I'm probably not going to press this further because you just pulled out the fattest OMGUS I've ever seen and this probably isn't going anywhere until someone else comes to everyone else in the game: READ THIS POST AHAHAHA and here it is lol. Well I mean like what does OMGUS even tell us? I don't wanna say they are pr or something but even then I think people naturally feel as though they are being attacked and that you could be genuinely wrong on the read. TBH I think you guys are both just town attacking each other and not helping out either side of it haha but I'll explain that in my reads later for what it's worth, I laid out a fact that should be common knowledge, but works well as a springboard to reaction test people and looks like its served its purpose well And was actually the biggest bait and I think besides the ayia star stuff we got some pretty good posts out of it. Hard to tell all sides of the story though because of the number of people who probably haven't even read and maybe just checked the posts they got tagged in |
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Post by chad on Jun 21, 2020 20:33:40 GMT
Ayia why so much focus on FJ?
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Post by myo! on Jun 21, 2020 20:40:02 GMT
i still want fj to respond to things and talk more so I can solidify a read there foreverjoker where you Regardless, I just did a quick iso of Ayia and nothing and most of the things he's been saying is either prodding other people for reads or the afformentioned content. One thing I'd like to mention is that Ayia specifically prodded FJ to give reads instead of other inactive members at this given moment above. Players including myself hadn't outed reads and it does feel like ayia is trying to get FJ to talk. I could totally see FJ and Ayia being partners who is triyng to get FJ to contribute so people unvote. Just a little thing I would like to put out there if FJ ends up being lynched. I understand how this makes Ayia look terrible, but you also have to remember the biggest suspect of D1 is FJ, so it's somewhat justified, though I'll admit you're fully correct about how he isn't focusing on any other low-activity playets, which is slightly suspicious. |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 21, 2020 20:40:36 GMT
kind of a problem when everyone you see feels town
I'll give up the farce on my joker lynch since I only meant it to provide pressure to respond (which happened), I have little grounds to sr them given my lynch argument is very very leaky to anyone reading it. Hoped it would be recognised in some form but apparently not.
unlynch forever joker
i also refreshed to see a wallpost but safe to say I don't feel convinced in this lynch
i'm getting pretty townie vibes from lifesucc I'm wondering what's going on with semi baseless accusations going untested/unasked on
lynch pkq
re tremenon their opening statement felt a bit more town hence I'm picking my best idea for an alternate lynch, though they've not done well at all so declaring intent to shift today if they're at equal lynches with another player near day end.
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Post by myo! on Jun 21, 2020 20:41:43 GMT
Ayia why so much focus on FJ? because FJ's the focus of his "biggest townread, quojova. |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 21, 2020 20:48:48 GMT
...ignore the fact that I thought FJ made the wallpost, incorrectly assumed it was them given multiple quotes having the fj reaction
point stands though i prefer the pkq lynch the most as of now
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Post by myo! on Jun 21, 2020 20:52:24 GMT
...ignore the fact that I thought FJ made the wallpost, incorrectly assumed it was them given multiple quotes having the fj reaction point stands though i prefer the pkq lynch the most as of now see I'm hesitant to agree with you because in the past PKQ is basically unpredictable, nothing he ever does is alignment-indicative after a few games because everything he does comes off as scummy, no matter the scenario. I really want to, but PKQ just isn't a great lynch in my opinion for now. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 21, 2020 20:57:57 GMT
Ayia why so much focus on FJ? because FJ's the focus of his "biggest townread, quojova. this is actually true |
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Post by ayia on Jun 21, 2020 21:01:04 GMT
Regardless, I just did a quick iso of Ayia and nothing and most of the things he's been saying is either prodding other people for reads or the afformentioned content. One thing I'd like to mention is that Ayia specifically prodded FJ to give reads instead of other inactive members at this given moment above. Players including myself hadn't outed reads and it does feel like ayia is trying to get FJ to talk. I could totally see FJ and Ayia being partners who is triyng to get FJ to contribute so people unvote. Just a little thing I would like to put out there if FJ ends up being lynched. I understand how this makes Ayia look terrible, but you also have to remember the biggest suspect of D1 is FJ, so it's somewhat justified, though I'll admit you're fully correct about how he isn't focusing on any other low-activity playets, which is slightly suspicious. the other low-activity players don’t have plur also it’s more about how forever joker constantly says he’s going to post but then never does |
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Post by myo! on Jun 21, 2020 21:03:16 GMT
I understand how this makes Ayia look terrible, but you also have to remember the biggest suspect of D1 is FJ, so it's somewhat justified, though I'll admit you're fully correct about how he isn't focusing on any other low-activity playets, which is slightly suspicious. the other low-activity players don’t have plur also it’s more about how forever joker constantly says he’s going to post but then never does sadwhal?  pkq??? trem??? |
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Post by ayia on Jun 21, 2020 21:03:46 GMT
so sorry babe but going out of your way to press on lines that aren't me explaining myself is just nonsensical, you're trying to dig them into the back and put focus on me for wording my posts wrong. like shut the hell up. please. just. stop typing. you're no longer making any sense and are just looking for reasons to pounce. while I'm not gonna cross because I'm hesitant to say tunnelling is really a scum move, but I'm going to kindly ask you to stop, take a deep breath, and read. This is an embodiment of what Ayia's lines come off as. He's actively exploiting every little thing dragon is saying in order to rattle them up, and it doesn't come off as town pressuring it comes off as mafia going for a lynch on someone who's lines don't really come off as scum. I would let this go if it wasn't for the fact 6 hours left into the day and he's still not unvoting I honestly hate this considering myo’s the one that got heated first. I feel like you’re only looking at this from the perspective that I’m scum, and you’re basing everything else around that (which is textbook confirmation bias aka tunneling) |
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Post by ayia on Jun 21, 2020 21:04:48 GMT
the other low-activity players don’t have plur also it’s more about how forever joker constantly says he’s going to post but then never does sadwhal? pkq??? trem??? yes those are all inactive players that don’t follow either of the criteria I stated |
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Post by quojova on Jun 21, 2020 21:05:13 GMT
i still want fj to respond to things and talk more so I can solidify a read there foreverjoker where you Regardless, I just did a quick iso of Ayia and nothing and most of the things he's been saying is either prodding other people for reads or the afformentioned content. One thing I'd like to mention is that Ayia specifically prodded FJ to give reads instead of other inactive members at this given moment above. Players including myself hadn't outed reads and it does feel like ayia is trying to get FJ to talk. I could totally see FJ and Ayia being partners who is triyng to get FJ to contribute so people unvote. Just a little thing I would like to put out there if FJ ends up being lynched. why wouldn't he just use mafia chat to prod for activity if they were both maf? I haven't figured out the multi-quote stuff yet so for now I'll be posting replies separately |
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Post by ayia on Jun 21, 2020 21:06:29 GMT
quojova press the cog and then do “select post” for all the posts you want to multi quote then when you reply all of them will be there
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Post by sadisticnarwhal on Jun 21, 2020 21:09:12 GMT
btw while I think about the star-ayia stuff was anyone actually impressed with joker's response at all? maybe I'm just not getting the "It could change later on but I think mafia could of kept their mouth shut easily. Like they could of tried to gain plurality later on without revealing their plan." could go the extra mile and say it's like traitor softing to scum, except its wrong in this instance; surprised nobody brought that thought up in the 4 pages over two lines I don't see how that post could be softing traitor role if its the one where its like 5 sentences each on their own line. If you could link the right post and elaborate for me that would be appreciated. lol i just didnt like your reaction @ sadwhal so I'm gonna sit here until I have time to read up, don't get feisty @ me thx c: My reaction was literally careless and a meme so I guess that's a scumtell now and tballz is fr just coming and going saying one quick thing which is more cringe than lurking. I promise i'm not lurking i'm just afraid to say anything This is also more cringe than lurking, as I am an experienced lurker and it is something you must be proud of and accept. But anyways I got more on them later. perched for yash to tunnel me all game Bold of you to assume I'm stupid to do that. I still don't like you after what happened in EiMM but that doesn't and shouldn't be factored into bias/beliefs on anyone in the game. Also I just typed a shit ton of stuff with over 20 quotes and responses/thoughts from my POV of how I see things, and I hit backspace once but wasn't in the text box so now I can't get any of it back b/c it sent me to the previous page visited before the reply section and I'm not gonna bother retyping everything b/c it took me a solid 30 minutes just to get past the first 3 pages with typing responses. Instead I'm just gonna give you a summary of what all I've read and what my reads are:
Ayia: Again, sad that you think I'd tunnel you in an NOC forum game but moving along. You've got good content and good reads but the argument you've had with Arc really seems like nothing. This goes for Arc as well. I purely think that you're either being smart with this (and I can see it and can only pray that scum doesn't), or you guys are just both good content Town bickering amongst each other because of y'alls choice of words. Overall verdict: TR for D1. Don't take this shit as me trying to make amends or cover my tracks. I still hate your fucking guts Ayia. ZoL: I have no idea what you're doing but I realistically don't see much from you and especially considering you talked early, I just see it as an overcompensation for early town reads to make it easier to pick pocket off of others who haven't said much, if not anything at all. You proceeded to randlynch and then back off of it even though "Chad" had zero content and only agreed to Ayia because he apparently is "good" at mafia. Overall verdict: slight SR. Lifesucc: I can't really say much and it's hard to talk about what you've said in the game so far. I do admit that the turbo thingy on you and the policy lynch by Litt that followed is a bit unfair, and SRing litt for that slightly (which I'll get to) makes me feel like you're most likely town? It's still hard to tell at this point in the game sooooo overall verdict: Null, leaning towards town but I need more to get a definitive opinion. Litt: I liked the originality of your content, but after reading what others have said in regards to it, I feel like it could've easily been coerced so I can't really trust you on that. You're also being hella counter productive even if you did mean what you said because you also wanna policy lynch someone (I forgot who) purely bc they said "turbo"? Like that's almost harmless, it would only be harmful if it grew into a larger wagon but from what I see it isn't and hasn't. Overall verdict: slight SR, but a lot less of an SR in comparison to ZoL. At least you provided decent content. quojova: My strongest TR so far purely because they're considering everything and every scenario possible which is what good town would do. They aren't taking sides, and they've provided really good analysis. This isn't me sucking them off either, it's just the truth. Nothing negative to say about them here, I even agreed with their substance reads in my previous typings before they proceeded to get erased from existence due to the tab back paging. Overall verdict: Strong TR ForeverJoker: Call me out on this as your will but I feel like they're just noob town that got thrown into the crossfire of people taking their read way too seriously. I'm not excusing that behavior all the time but considering they're new, I'm not gonna step on them for it. However, foreverjoker I'd like you to add more content into your thoughts and reads because it makes us townies understand your thoughts and situation in the game. Thanks in advance. Overall verdict: Null. Arc: I'm not gonna lie I didn't even know who you were until Ayia asked and you said it was you. Regardless, you've contributed a lot of good discussion that makes me think you're town along with Ayia in the same situation. The bickering and stuff is just really unnecessary and it's just over the choice of words. Not yelling at just you for it, but consider stepping away from that argument and finding someone else to pressure and talk to because Ayia is just occupying your words for no reason. Ayia if you're reading this I mean the same to you. To me, you both are town and should just stop arguing about it before someone innocent and helpful gets lynched/killed. Overall verdict: TR PKQ: Call me a hypocrite but I still don't even like PKQ's early presence in this game. He hasn't done much (as havent I either which is why I'm trying to make up for it with this post) and hopefully they grow to have better reads? I still don't like the early game presence though. Overall verdict: slight SR, less than ZoL but more than Litt. TBZ: I love you <3 Anyways getting back to the game, they haven't talked much but they've talked more than others who haven't even checked the thread yet so that's a plus I can give to both him and PKQ b/c I forgot to mention it above. The randlynch on SadisticNarwhal is fine too because again it's random and d1 typically has RVS' so I don't know why that's really an issue. Overall verdict: TR, but not as much as quojava. This is a small TR that is smaller than most TRs I have so far in the game but it exists because there's been no bad intentions. Hopefully you don't bite me in the ass later, TBZ. SadisticNarwhal: You're overcompensating two randlynches in an NOC game and you're heavily concerned about it as if you're getting lynched from a 2 wagon. The post where you also talked about how you didn't know there was a traitor also could possibly be coerced and I'm not entirely sure I can trust you and your content with that kind of view I've got on you. Overall verdict: slight SR, close to my SR levels on ZoL but more than PKQ and Litt. Hopefully that answers a lot of people and hopefully you guys can understand my thoughts. This post is in no way attacking people. It's purely just what I've seen so far in the game. I'll be posting my lynch along with my reasons soon. If you wanna talk on here, let me know and I'll be glad to talk about the game in the thread. The scumread on litt makes no sense cause its RVS D1 and you're getting mad and someone for meming about turbo or policy or whatever the like along those lines. The TR on quojova I can see but is providing good analysis all that it takes to be towny as if there isn't any role bias that wouldn't provide scum from doing the same? I don't really know what to think about the PKQ read but they have a couple posts and there is one in particular I could probably look at more in depth so my small brain can grasp what they meant. I'm not even mad about Tballz being on me, but the fact he's your SECOND STRONGEST TOWN READ after all they do is just come in, go "hmmm meh I don't wanna try I'll be back later maybe" "this guy looks bad from what i saw so I'ma lynch" "I don't understand this lynch" its just like bro he's gotta be null at best. Already responded to the read on me. litt saying that could be interpreted both ways, but I don't like the tone of this rn, oof how do you quote multiple times in same message I can vibe with this. doing a read list with posts as of star's response to pkq in hopes that it generates discussion or useful connections for the future I refuse to do null reads, which means that most of these are very very slight (ordered within tiers) TT star generating useful discussion, and I've agreed with a lot of the points they've made so far. lifesucc the "turbo" thing is aggressively suspicious, and it feels like a TWTBAW kinda thing to me. T litt has had generally helpful posts, although as seen from my above post I think posting widely accepted mafia strategy is not really that townie ayia very slight read here, but he started the game and got ZoL off of chad for a meme reason, which looks townie to me pkq ok I said I wouldn't be doing null reads but his only post is like 99% NAI. I'm putting him here for now because theoretically he could have asked mafia chat instead. M ZoL pretty slight here too, but was pushed off of chad suspiciously easily and also cast a safety vote on the first slot, which weakens any slight wifomy analysis we could get out of it because instead of looking at the player list and picking a player he just decided on the first slot. Not sure how cohesive a thought this is, if it makes no sense I can elaborate. MM joker sus on this slot for reasons stated in my above post 40 Posts in, really? How badly do you want to bleed town my good sir oh, looking back on Litt's post has also made me realize that he's essentially trying to get players who aren't as good at reading to just sheep those who are trying, which honestly. Disturbs me a lot, personally. He's basically telling the players actually reading to be super careful as they have lots of power, but then those who aren't can just sheep their asses off until they find the right wrangler for them. This honestly is putting me off a lot, but because this is still in rhe earlier phases, I'll give it a pass and let Litt explain himself. This is quite the stretch, do we really believe litt thought that far into his post? +1 Ayia stop trying to blend in. I also thought the same thing regarding quojova's reads that early on into the game, like what could they really be going off of? I have a little more to say on this further down into this post but its just not really towny or at least some too towny shenanigans (I'm pretty sure there's an acronym for this from what I remember). hmmm im too tired to comprehend rn so ill post in the morning See what I said on yash's post; like is this any better than me making half ironic posts? this sums up most of my thoughts here, just remove the bit after slight tr. if anything, I see this more as a scum move than town because it's a good statement to feign town with. Here is my thing with this. To say this is more of scum move means that you believe that litt, forever joker, or quojova are scum. All of them are just making cases about the game. I don't know why this quote from lifesucc stuck out to me, but it looks like you want town to keep guessing on who is scum, because you don't want no clear town reads. I might even take it a step further that you might be trying to save one of your partners if you happy to be lynch down the road. Either way from what I have seen I doubt lifesucc and quojova are mafia so I am going to keep my lynch on you lifesucc. Alright I think I understand this post now. I think its a fair statement to say that it could be them trying to say "well it could be them, or them, maybe them too" and proceed to push them later on in the game despite none of them being such. But then you go and say you doubt they are maf but keep the lynch on one? lynch foreverjokerI'll try and answer some questions in the next 2-3 hours I dont see any answers or much else This seems like a forced lynch to look like other people who were pushing for activity. While it's definitely common to see lynches just to push activity I don't think them maybe forgetting to get on or not being able to justifies a lynch on them per se. I don’t like the ForeverJoker lynch I’m not quite sure why tbh Because the lynch sucks; tballz could just be leaving this here cause its a safe position to hold. quick reads, I can explain whatever more later quojova obv town yash is town for reads and tone trem is townlean for his lengthier post but it’s weird that he was “scared to post” or whatever i want more from chad but for now he’s just a slight townlean, don’t like how he attempted to call me out for “buddying” and “blending in” but I can see that just being random pressure Litt is slight townlean as well and i’ve explained that prior Sadistic is null FJ is null ZOL is null Lieb needs to talk who tf is coal Lifesucc is a scumlean, I’ll explain that when I get on computer Arc is scum because a lot of reasons but I think the most dramatic was her shift from “calm collected” to “freaking out from a single read” and her dismissal of this to playermeta (which isn’t actually that applicable here, she does not blow up that much as town). also her tone is badddd it sounds like me when i’m scum. i’ll get specific quotes of this when i’m on comp who else exists i’m missing like 3 ayia I am going to SR you because quojova is not obvious town What a dumb reason, as though someone can't just be off with their reads, and this is kinda just an OMGUS. I think the more fair thing would have been to ask them for their reasoning and offer a counter claim. ayia I am going to SR you because quojova is not obvious town I too agree, its like quojova makes so much sense but tries so hard to be town that really messes up me gettin a read on them. but sring someone for not agreeing with their read at this point of time, when there is an explanation for the read is not the way chief. And you act as though you are not appearing to be towny, with your type of posts and analyses? I mean sure quojova does seem a little more tryhardy but I'd say you are the next up on my tryhard list if I had one. fos on this for 1.admitting to lurking which in itself is fine because intimidation of this platform is defo a thing, but then this follow up makes less sense. 2. a half assed read list whose points were already made and widely agreed on. 3. I don't understand their read on dragon driftway here, they never sred them to my understanding but maybe I misread some early replys idk. 4.fj wanted to answer questions, and you lynch the guy without asking any. rude. actually matter of fact let me Unlynch, lynch tremenonsoz ftf 1. how about a reads list? it doesn't take a whole lot of inspiration to do one of those i did that list thingy thanks to quojova's comment 2. no comment there you are completely right 3. who? 4. i misread the comment as "i'm gonna answer questions already made by others" thats my bad unlynch foreverjoker[Going back to about quojova producing a read list to early, looking at this, it could be them trying to appear towny by doing such, then pressuring others into doing the same so that if they don't they face pressure later on and maybe get misslynched. But in the instance quojova is town this could just be tremenon trying to follow towny orders so that they themselves appear towny. look I'm not acquainted with all the fancy "this means you are 100% scum" type things, i just meant for them to be just some thoughts going through my head my reads have been all over the place in terms of locations of these posts and whatnot but this line from tremenon feels genuine, the fact that they r just going through whatever is on their mind feels like he has nothing to hide and is willing to work with town, TR on tremenon for now for that. It's not a lot to go off of, but judging by the noob vibes he is giving this feels like a good enough reason to tr someone as of now. willing to work with town is more of a scumtell imo than a towntell lol but maybe that's just my opinion. Obviously everyone has to work together but people that would put their own methods and opinions aside to have town favor just seems counter intuitive to natural feelings. i still want fj to respond to things and talk more so I can solidify a read there foreverjoker where you Regardless, I just did a quick iso of Ayia and nothing and most of the things he's been saying is either prodding other people for reads or the afformentioned content. One thing I'd like to mention is that Ayia specifically prodded FJ to give reads instead of other inactive members at this given moment above. Players including myself hadn't outed reads and it does feel like ayia is trying to get FJ to talk. I could totally see FJ and Ayia being partners who is triyng to get FJ to contribute so people unvote. Just a little thing I would like to put out there if FJ ends up being lynched. Ayia could have been on them since they were already on the chopping block and it's a good way to bait out pressured responses that you generally wouldn't get from someone who didn't feel under threat. That being said I think there probably was too much pressure on FJ for how little they actually did wrong |
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Post by sadisticnarwhal on Jun 21, 2020 21:09:52 GMT
Hopefully I didn't fuck anything up with the multiquotes
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Post by ayia on Jun 21, 2020 21:47:02 GMT
you snapped
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 21, 2020 23:24:43 GMT
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Post by qtball on Jun 21, 2020 23:28:06 GMT
im watching avatar the last airbender no flame but in all seriousness i feel uncomfortable with ayia / yash both agreeing with me. sadwhal had a nice post coming back ig (but i bet he'll see this as me trying to backstep when i was just rvsing smh) either way i definitely think id lynch ayia before yash so Unlynch, Lynch Ayia |
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Post by quojova on Jun 21, 2020 23:28:43 GMT
I can vibe with this. 40 Posts in, really? How badly do you want to bleed town my good sir This is quite the stretch, do we really believe litt thought that far into his post? +1 Ayia stop trying to blend in. I also thought the same thing regarding quojova's reads that early on into the game, like what could they really be going off of? I have a little more to say on this further down into this post but its just not really towny or at least some too towny shenanigans (I'm pretty sure there's an acronym for this from what I remember). It seems like something along these lines is the primary criticism I am getting atm, so I'm going to address it. I can definitely see where the sentiment for a decrease in trs on me comes from, I mean before chad showed up it felt like pretty much everyone in the game was tring me for reasons that weren't explained in very much detail beyond "being productive" and "good analysis". What I will say is that I have no intention to hide the fact that I try to appear like a townie. IMO, part of my job as a member of the town is of course to try to deduce other townies and scum, but the other half of my job is convince people that my reads are actually correct, as well as work to clear my own slot in the eyes of other players. Maybe it's just a difference in game philosophy, but I don't really get this "too towny" thing because of that. lynch foreverjokerI dont see any answers or much else This seems like a forced lynch to look like other people who were pushing for activity. While it's definitely common to see lynches just to push activity I don't think them maybe forgetting to get on or not being able to justifies a lynch on them per se. This vote is legitimately suspicious to me as well. I think Litt had reasonable reasons to get on the FJ wagon but tremenon was not really adding anything as he got on and as you mention this one line is pretty flawed. I chose to respond to this because I think it could be start of a real case against tremenon combined with the next post. 1. i did that list thingy thanks to quojova's comment 2. no comment there you are completely right 3. who? 4. i misread the comment as "i'm gonna answer questions already made by others" thats my bad unlynch foreverjoker[Going back to about quojova producing a read list to early, looking at this, it could be them trying to appear towny by doing such, then pressuring others into doing the same so that if they don't they face pressure later on and maybe get misslynched. But in the instance quojova is town this could just be tremenon trying to follow towny orders so that they themselves appear towny. I think "pressure" is a bit strong here. It was pretty clearly worded as a suggestion, and I wasn't about to scum-read them for electing not to make one after suggesting it to him so lightly. I think reads lists in of themselves should provide pretty much 0 towncred, because like I stated it takes almost no inspiration to make one. The thesis of the post is in the prompt, you are literally just listing out your reads. A readslist can become towncred-awarding if it actually advances discussion in some way or provides a new take on a player, which notably I think the tremenon post fails to do. It seems to reflect a lot of what town consensus already was at the time and is extremely hedgey, which is a characteristic I associate with mafia players. I think there is the possibility of a counterwagon on tremenon here but I'm not exactly sure how I would fully formulate this case atm. I added my comments in blue. This is more of a response post, and whenever I post again it will probably go more in-depth with trying to find new wagon possibilities (and maybe not even on tremenon!). I think this FJ wagon was leading (or is leading? cant tell with how often the vote counter is updated) not particularly because it is that strong of a read, but because there are no other precisely defined cases surrounding a player to oppose it. Both this FJ wagon and the possible tremenon wagon I am considering can be chalked up to suboptimal townie play, which makes them admittedly pretty weak. |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 21, 2020 23:50:50 GMT
could go the extra mile and say it's like traitor softing to scum, except its wrong in this instance; surprised nobody brought that thought up in the 4 pages over two lines I don't see how that post could be softing traitor role if its the one where its like 5 sentences each on their own line. If you could link the right post and elaborate for me that would be appreciated. lol i just didnt like your reaction @ sadwhal so I'm gonna sit here until I have time to read up, don't get feisty @ me thx c: My reaction was literally careless and a meme so I guess that's a scumtell now and tballz is fr just coming and going saying one quick thing which is more cringe than lurking. I promise i'm not lurking i'm just afraid to say anything This is also more cringe than lurking, as I am an experienced lurker and it is something you must be proud of and accept. But anyways I got more on them later. Bold of you to assume I'm stupid to do that. I still don't like you after what happened in EiMM but that doesn't and shouldn't be factored into bias/beliefs on anyone in the game. Also I just typed a shit ton of stuff with over 20 quotes and responses/thoughts from my POV of how I see things, and I hit backspace once but wasn't in the text box so now I can't get any of it back b/c it sent me to the previous page visited before the reply section and I'm not gonna bother retyping everything b/c it took me a solid 30 minutes just to get past the first 3 pages with typing responses. Instead I'm just gonna give you a summary of what all I've read and what my reads are:
Ayia: Again, sad that you think I'd tunnel you in an NOC forum game but moving along. You've got good content and good reads but the argument you've had with Arc really seems like nothing. This goes for Arc as well. I purely think that you're either being smart with this (and I can see it and can only pray that scum doesn't), or you guys are just both good content Town bickering amongst each other because of y'alls choice of words. Overall verdict: TR for D1. Don't take this shit as me trying to make amends or cover my tracks. I still hate your fucking guts Ayia. ZoL: I have no idea what you're doing but I realistically don't see much from you and especially considering you talked early, I just see it as an overcompensation for early town reads to make it easier to pick pocket off of others who haven't said much, if not anything at all. You proceeded to randlynch and then back off of it even though "Chad" had zero content and only agreed to Ayia because he apparently is "good" at mafia. Overall verdict: slight SR. Lifesucc: I can't really say much and it's hard to talk about what you've said in the game so far. I do admit that the turbo thingy on you and the policy lynch by Litt that followed is a bit unfair, and SRing litt for that slightly (which I'll get to) makes me feel like you're most likely town? It's still hard to tell at this point in the game sooooo overall verdict: Null, leaning towards town but I need more to get a definitive opinion. Litt: I liked the originality of your content, but after reading what others have said in regards to it, I feel like it could've easily been coerced so I can't really trust you on that. You're also being hella counter productive even if you did mean what you said because you also wanna policy lynch someone (I forgot who) purely bc they said "turbo"? Like that's almost harmless, it would only be harmful if it grew into a larger wagon but from what I see it isn't and hasn't. Overall verdict: slight SR, but a lot less of an SR in comparison to ZoL. At least you provided decent content. quojova: My strongest TR so far purely because they're considering everything and every scenario possible which is what good town would do. They aren't taking sides, and they've provided really good analysis. This isn't me sucking them off either, it's just the truth. Nothing negative to say about them here, I even agreed with their substance reads in my previous typings before they proceeded to get erased from existence due to the tab back paging. Overall verdict: Strong TR ForeverJoker: Call me out on this as your will but I feel like they're just noob town that got thrown into the crossfire of people taking their read way too seriously. I'm not excusing that behavior all the time but considering they're new, I'm not gonna step on them for it. However, foreverjoker I'd like you to add more content into your thoughts and reads because it makes us townies understand your thoughts and situation in the game. Thanks in advance. Overall verdict: Null. Arc: I'm not gonna lie I didn't even know who you were until Ayia asked and you said it was you. Regardless, you've contributed a lot of good discussion that makes me think you're town along with Ayia in the same situation. The bickering and stuff is just really unnecessary and it's just over the choice of words. Not yelling at just you for it, but consider stepping away from that argument and finding someone else to pressure and talk to because Ayia is just occupying your words for no reason. Ayia if you're reading this I mean the same to you. To me, you both are town and should just stop arguing about it before someone innocent and helpful gets lynched/killed. Overall verdict: TR PKQ: Call me a hypocrite but I still don't even like PKQ's early presence in this game. He hasn't done much (as havent I either which is why I'm trying to make up for it with this post) and hopefully they grow to have better reads? I still don't like the early game presence though. Overall verdict: slight SR, less than ZoL but more than Litt. TBZ: I love you <3 Anyways getting back to the game, they haven't talked much but they've talked more than others who haven't even checked the thread yet so that's a plus I can give to both him and PKQ b/c I forgot to mention it above. The randlynch on SadisticNarwhal is fine too because again it's random and d1 typically has RVS' so I don't know why that's really an issue. Overall verdict: TR, but not as much as quojava. This is a small TR that is smaller than most TRs I have so far in the game but it exists because there's been no bad intentions. Hopefully you don't bite me in the ass later, TBZ. SadisticNarwhal: You're overcompensating two randlynches in an NOC game and you're heavily concerned about it as if you're getting lynched from a 2 wagon. The post where you also talked about how you didn't know there was a traitor also could possibly be coerced and I'm not entirely sure I can trust you and your content with that kind of view I've got on you. Overall verdict: slight SR, close to my SR levels on ZoL but more than PKQ and Litt. Hopefully that answers a lot of people and hopefully you guys can understand my thoughts. This post is in no way attacking people. It's purely just what I've seen so far in the game. I'll be posting my lynch along with my reasons soon. If you wanna talk on here, let me know and I'll be glad to talk about the game in the thread. The scumread on litt makes no sense cause its RVS D1 and you're getting mad and someone for meming about turbo or policy or whatever the like along those lines. The TR on quojova I can see but is providing good analysis all that it takes to be towny as if there isn't any role bias that wouldn't provide scum from doing the same? I don't really know what to think about the PKQ read but they have a couple posts and there is one in particular I could probably look at more in depth so my small brain can grasp what they meant. I'm not even mad about Tballz being on me, but the fact he's your SECOND STRONGEST TOWN READ after all they do is just come in, go "hmmm meh I don't wanna try I'll be back later maybe" "this guy looks bad from what i saw so I'ma lynch" "I don't understand this lynch" its just like bro he's gotta be null at best. Already responded to the read on me. I can vibe with this. 40 Posts in, really? How badly do you want to bleed town my good sir This is quite the stretch, do we really believe litt thought that far into his post? +1 Ayia stop trying to blend in. I also thought the same thing regarding quojova's reads that early on into the game, like what could they really be going off of? I have a little more to say on this further down into this post but its just not really towny or at least some too towny shenanigans (I'm pretty sure there's an acronym for this from what I remember). hmmm im too tired to comprehend rn so ill post in the morning See what I said on yash's post; like is this any better than me making half ironic posts? Here is my thing with this. To say this is more of scum move means that you believe that litt, forever joker, or quojova are scum. All of them are just making cases about the game. I don't know why this quote from lifesucc stuck out to me, but it looks like you want town to keep guessing on who is scum, because you don't want no clear town reads. I might even take it a step further that you might be trying to save one of your partners if you happy to be lynch down the road. Either way from what I have seen I doubt lifesucc and quojova are mafia so I am going to keep my lynch on you lifesucc. Alright I think I understand this post now. I think its a fair statement to say that it could be them trying to say "well it could be them, or them, maybe them too" and proceed to push them later on in the game despite none of them being such. But then you go and say you doubt they are maf but keep the lynch on one? lynch foreverjokerI dont see any answers or much else This seems like a forced lynch to look like other people who were pushing for activity. While it's definitely common to see lynches just to push activity I don't think them maybe forgetting to get on or not being able to justifies a lynch on them per se. I don’t like the ForeverJoker lynch I’m not quite sure why tbh Because the lynch sucks; tballz could just be leaving this here cause its a safe position to hold. ayia I am going to SR you because quojova is not obvious town What a dumb reason, as though someone can't just be off with their reads, and this is kinda just an OMGUS. I think the more fair thing would have been to ask them for their reasoning and offer a counter claim. I too agree, its like quojova makes so much sense but tries so hard to be town that really messes up me gettin a read on them. but sring someone for not agreeing with their read at this point of time, when there is an explanation for the read is not the way chief. And you act as though you are not appearing to be towny, with your type of posts and analyses? I mean sure quojova does seem a little more tryhardy but I'd say you are the next up on my tryhard list if I had one. 1. i did that list thingy thanks to quojova's comment 2. no comment there you are completely right 3. who? 4. i misread the comment as "i'm gonna answer questions already made by others" thats my bad unlynch foreverjoker[Going back to about quojova producing a read list to early, looking at this, it could be them trying to appear towny by doing such, then pressuring others into doing the same so that if they don't they face pressure later on and maybe get misslynched. But in the instance quojova is town this could just be tremenon trying to follow towny orders so that they themselves appear towny. my reads have been all over the place in terms of locations of these posts and whatnot but this line from tremenon feels genuine, the fact that they r just going through whatever is on their mind feels like he has nothing to hide and is willing to work with town, TR on tremenon for now for that. It's not a lot to go off of, but judging by the noob vibes he is giving this feels like a good enough reason to tr someone as of now. willing to work with town is more of a scumtell imo than a towntell lol but maybe that's just my opinion. Obviously everyone has to work together but people that would put their own methods and opinions aside to have town favor just seems counter intuitive to natural feelings. Regardless, I just did a quick iso of Ayia and nothing and most of the things he's been saying is either prodding other people for reads or the afformentioned content. One thing I'd like to mention is that Ayia specifically prodded FJ to give reads instead of other inactive members at this given moment above. Players including myself hadn't outed reads and it does feel like ayia is trying to get FJ to talk. I could totally see FJ and Ayia being partners who is triyng to get FJ to contribute so people unvote. Just a little thing I would like to put out there if FJ ends up being lynched. Ayia could have been on them since they were already on the chopping block and it's a good way to bait out pressured responses that you generally wouldn't get from someone who didn't feel under threat. That being said I think there probably was too much pressure on FJ for how little they actually did wrong Thanks for responding. My concern still stands, but you do bring up a good point about the TBZ TR. In retrospect there's actually not much he's done and it's very plausible that he may try to cruise through the game, but my gut tells me that I can trust him for now. That doesn't mean I trust his intentions though. You gave a very good response and hearing your side of things makes me think you're town now. It was just a little suspicious how angry you got, but the explanation cleared up a lot of things. |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 21, 2020 23:57:07 GMT
im watching avatar the last airbender no flame but in all seriousness i feel uncomfortable with ayia / yash both agreeing with me. sadwhal had a nice post coming back ig (but i bet he'll see this as me trying to backstep when i was just rvsing smh) either way i definitely think id lynch ayia before yash so Unlynch, Lynch AyiaDude the only thing I agreed with you on was the fact that ForeverJoker wasn't a good lynch, and I talked about it before you even brought it up that ForeverJoker seems like a scapegoat lynch for him being contentless and "new" to the game. I think another key point that further bolsters what I advocated for in the first place in regards to FJ (and it isn't piggybacking from what you said) is that someone (I forgot who) said that their gamestyle is apparently like this, and that we shouldn't be discrediting him for the lack of content? Just further proves what I believe in regards to him and his lynch and what led you to this conclusion lmao even then, as i have stated multiple times that statement can provide a slight lean, or it may even be nai. I said I saw this more as a scum move trying to gain ez towncred implying this is a very slight scumlean, rather than a hard sr, this scum, turbo. and what's up with the quojova read? and if you doubt I'm 'mafia', why are you lynching me? did you make a typing mistake here? What I am saying that both of you can't be mafia. Only one of you can unless one is traitor. you good bro? Not saying the read is shit but your past few posts draw so many assumptive lines that nobody would even say in D1. Please explain now that you're providing some form of readable content |
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 0:09:47 GMT
im watching avatar the last airbender no flame but in all seriousness i feel uncomfortable with ayia / yash both agreeing with me. sadwhal had a nice post coming back ig (but i bet he'll see this as me trying to backstep when i was just rvsing smh) either way i definitely think id lynch ayia before yash so Unlynch, Lynch Ayiawhat did I agree with you for? |
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Post by ayia on Jun 22, 2020 0:11:34 GMT
btw I'm back home so let me compile that case against arctina
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 22, 2020 0:21:15 GMT
im watching avatar the last airbender no flame but in all seriousness i feel uncomfortable with ayia / yash both agreeing with me. sadwhal had a nice post coming back ig (but i bet he'll see this as me trying to backstep when i was just rvsing smh) either way i definitely think id lynch ayia before yash so Unlynch, Lynch Ayiawhat did I agree with you for? He's referring to us agreeing with the idea of not liking the ForeverJoker lynch I think |
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