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Post by qtball on Jun 23, 2020 20:24:40 GMT
zol lynch seems v free given he's been afk but i think my main line of reasoning is this: he randed a lynch on sadwhal and was the only one on him by eod. would he really nk the person he was lynching?
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Post by qtball on Jun 23, 2020 20:25:02 GMT
(I don't know the answer to this question myself but I'm inclined to believe not)
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Post by quojova on Jun 23, 2020 21:01:36 GMT
lieb's iso is so bad... on top of the terrible, hardly explained ayia vote from yesterday that he continues to do now, there's this gem in there: look I'm not acquainted with all the fancy "this means you are 100% scum" type things, i just meant for them to be just some thoughts going through my head my reads have been all over the place in terms of locations of these posts and whatnot but this line from tremenon feels genuine, the fact that they r just going through whatever is on their mind feels like he has nothing to hide and is willing to work with town, TR on tremenon for now for that. It's not a lot to go off of, but judging by the noob vibes he is giving this feels like a good enough reason to tr someone as of now. I am still really looking for the answer to this question @ lieb: How likely do you think a bus from someone on the trem wagon is, and why? |
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Post by quojova on Jun 23, 2020 21:04:41 GMT
lieb's iso is so bad... on top of the terrible, hardly explained ayia vote from yesterday that he continues to do now, there's this gem in there: my reads have been all over the place in terms of locations of these posts and whatnot but this line from tremenon feels genuine, the fact that they r just going through whatever is on their mind feels like he has nothing to hide and is willing to work with town, TR on tremenon for now for that. It's not a lot to go off of, but judging by the noob vibes he is giving this feels like a good enough reason to tr someone as of now. I am still really looking for the answer to this question @ lieb : How likely do you think a bus from someone on the trem wagon is, and why? Also, please only answer this question once you have read through the rest of the thread and the arguments I have put out about the unlikelihood of a bus |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:06:46 GMT
i fell asleep halfway through making reads what is wrong with me
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:07:44 GMT
your defense doesn’t sit well, and you’re just trying to put words in my mouth that dont exist lmao. I don’t even look at VCs when making reads Putting words in other people's mouths that don't exist is an Arctina specialty this game not even this game get used to it. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 23, 2020 21:15:37 GMT
zol lynch seems v free given he's been afk but i think my main line of reasoning is this: he randed a lynch on sadwhal and was the only one on him by eod. would he really nk the person he was lynching? recall that traitor exists |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:15:54 GMT
reads time i guess pkq - uncced bg, yes. chad - basically questioning anything that he can get something out of, contributing to more important places compared to others going unneccesary places, which *cough cough*, we'll get to later. this is a townie. 98% sure about that. qtball - don't talk to but fr I still have major issues with TBZ's lynch on Ayia of d1, like it almost came off as having no logic what-so-ever and instead he just wanted to push Ayia with lien. he's done some good stuff, and some pretty crappy stuff, so yeah. a null read with a sliver of a scum lean ayia - this is lowkey just spiderz townplay. that's all. quojova - His credibility has slowly been decreasing overtime, thiugh that may also be in part to the overall activity boost this game experienced. While he still stands a strong town slot, he is starting to break down a little. litteleven - ok so with all this bussing stuff, I feel like Litt is the most likely candidate to have bussed out of "the three main suspects", as Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there. along with that, some of Litt's quotes have been quite questionable. Honestly, if this picks up as a lynch, I'm on board. He's actually most likely traitor if anything, but yeah. @yashgrenina - sigh. either scum, or town gem, his reads have been pretty alright, though his excuse about pkq seems too detailed and fabricated, I can't stand it. leaning scum, but possible the other way around. ZestOfLife - lol. idk what you want me to say. low poster. this is so null to the point where the only reason he's scum is poe lieb - low poster, pushed ayia for something everyone else townreads him as. (i wrote this next part when i woke up) started giving more creative reasoning, and is actually somewhat worth listening to, despite it not really changing my read. overall this is still town, just like the same argument for ayia being town really. Schrodinger - ok this is pretty obviously town do I really need to explain myself. - this is where i fell asleep - bluegummybear - hi bgb. post more so i can read you. poe says you're scum but I may just be wrong so if you wanna prove me wrong you should do that. foreverjoker - this is town, just a really unknowledgable one. hopefully this is the general agreement and we can just like not lynch him. scum reads: tbz, yash, litt, zol, bgb town reads: basically everyone else conftown: pkq |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:16:52 GMT
zol lynch seems v free given he's been afk but i think my main line of reasoning is this: he randed a lynch on sadwhal and was the only one on him by eod. would he really nk the person he was lynching? recall that traitor exists I actually don't even know if he's traitor, I think he might just be regular mafia who's conveniently inactive. traitor's likely, very likely someone else. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 23, 2020 21:17:01 GMT
zol lynch seems v free given he's been afk but i think my main line of reasoning is this: he randed a lynch on sadwhal and was the only one on him by eod. would he really nk the person he was lynching? recall that traitor exists this isn't an agreement or disagreement on your suspicion, being sus is kinda valid but that question operates under the assumption that traitor isn't a thing |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:18:37 GMT
reads time i guess pkq - uncced bg, yes. chad - basically questioning anything that he can get something out of, contributing to more important places compared to others going unneccesary places, which *cough cough*, we'll get to later. this is a townie. 98% sure about that. qtball - don't talk to but fr I still have major issues with TBZ's lynch on Ayia of d1, like it almost came off as having no logic what-so-ever and instead he just wanted to push Ayia with lien. he's done some good stuff, and some pretty crappy stuff, so yeah. a null read with a sliver of a scum lean ayia - this is lowkey just spiderz townplay. that's all. quojova - His credibility has slowly been decreasing overtime, thiugh that may also be in part to the overall activity boost this game experienced. While he still stands a strong town slot, he is starting to break down a little. litteleven - ok so with all this bussing stuff, I feel like Litt is the most likely candidate to have bussed out of "the three main suspects", as Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there. along with that, some of Litt's quotes have been quite questionable. Honestly, if this picks up as a lynch, I'm on board. He's actually most likely traitor if anything, but yeah. @yashgrenina - sigh. either scum, or town gem, his reads have been pretty alright, though his excuse about pkq seems too detailed and fabricated, I can't stand it. leaning scum, but possible the other way around. ZestOfLife - lol. idk what you want me to say. low poster. this is so null to the point where the only reason he's scum is poe lieb - low poster, pushed ayia for something everyone else townreads him as. (i wrote this next part when i woke up) started giving more creative reasoning, and is actually somewhat worth listening to, despite it not really changing my read. overall this is still town, just like the same argument for ayia being town really. Schrodinger - ok this is pretty obviously town do I really need to explain myself. - this is where i fell asleep - bluegummybear - hi bgb. post more so i can read you. poe says you're scum but I may just be wrong so if you wanna prove me wrong you should do that. foreverjoker - this is town, just a really unknowledgable one. hopefully this is the general agreement and we can just like not lynch him. scum reads: tbz, yash, litt, zol, bgb town reads: basically everyone else conftown: pkq whoops, yash wasn't pinged yashgreninja |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:19:39 GMT
I'm gonna wait for next votecount to place my vote, it's very likely going onto either litt or zol.
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Post by qtball on Jun 23, 2020 21:25:07 GMT
yeah I'm not buying any of myo's reads lmao
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:40:09 GMT
yeah I'm not buying any of myo's reads lmao ah yes because I srd you, my reads are suddenly invalid. fuckin hell. |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 21:42:11 GMT
reads time i guess pkq - uncced bg, yes. chad - basically questioning anything that he can get something out of, contributing to more important places compared to others going unneccesary places, which *cough cough*, we'll get to later. this is a townie. 98% sure about that. qtball - don't talk to but fr I still have major issues with TBZ's lynch on Ayia of d1, like it almost came off as having no logic what-so-ever and instead he just wanted to push Ayia with lien. he's done some good stuff, and some pretty crappy stuff, so yeah. a null read with a sliver of a scum lean ayia - this is lowkey just spiderz townplay. that's all. quojova - His credibility has slowly been decreasing overtime, thiugh that may also be in part to the overall activity boost this game experienced. While he still stands a strong town slot, he is starting to break down a little. litteleven - ok so with all this bussing stuff, I feel like Litt is the most likely candidate to have bussed out of "the three main suspects", as Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there. along with that, some of Litt's quotes have been quite questionable. Honestly, if this picks up as a lynch, I'm on board. He's actually most likely traitor if anything, but yeah. @yashgrenina - sigh. either scum, or town gem, his reads have been pretty alright, though his excuse about pkq seems too detailed and fabricated, I can't stand it. leaning scum, but possible the other way around. ZestOfLife - lol. idk what you want me to say. low poster. this is so null to the point where the only reason he's scum is poe lieb - low poster, pushed ayia for something everyone else townreads him as. (i wrote this next part when i woke up) started giving more creative reasoning, and is actually somewhat worth listening to, despite it not really changing my read. overall this is still town, just like the same argument for ayia being town really. Schrodinger - ok this is pretty obviously town do I really need to explain myself. - this is where i fell asleep - bluegummybear - hi bgb. post more so i can read you. poe says you're scum but I may just be wrong so if you wanna prove me wrong you should do that. foreverjoker - this is town, just a really unknowledgable one. hopefully this is the general agreement and we can just like not lynch him. scum reads: tbz, yash, litt, zol, bgb town reads: basically everyone else conftown: pkq How are you calling my excuse fabricated when you're literally saying that you weren't on forums to shift off of PKQ even though your last post was a minute before PKQ claimed bodyguard, and then expecting everyone to be okay with that and move on??? No need to be hypocritical here fam, you're still town in my eyes but that brought down a lot of your credibility imo. When it comes to your scumpool I don't like 2/5 of it... I'm town and you're assuming bgb is scum when they just subbed in and need time to catch up in terms of what all has happened so far... I'm not saying BGB!scum isn't possible, but I'd cut him some slack since he just subbed in, which you are doing, but POE on a subbed slot shouldn't hold much weight in comparison to the likes of the rest of your scumpool. ZoL!scum is something I agree with (hence why I'm lynching them) and same with Litt!scum, which is something I haven't talked much about but talked about back in Day 1. TBZ!scum I didn't agree with at first but as time has gone by it's definitely possible that he could be scum, considering I feel like TBZ!town would put a LOT more effort into the game and would make more accurate decisions and reads
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:44:56 GMT
reads time i guess pkq - uncced bg, yes. chad - basically questioning anything that he can get something out of, contributing to more important places compared to others going unneccesary places, which *cough cough*, we'll get to later. this is a townie. 98% sure about that. qtball - don't talk to but fr I still have major issues with TBZ's lynch on Ayia of d1, like it almost came off as having no logic what-so-ever and instead he just wanted to push Ayia with lien. he's done some good stuff, and some pretty crappy stuff, so yeah. a null read with a sliver of a scum lean ayia - this is lowkey just spiderz townplay. that's all. quojova - His credibility has slowly been decreasing overtime, thiugh that may also be in part to the overall activity boost this game experienced. While he still stands a strong town slot, he is starting to break down a little. litteleven - ok so with all this bussing stuff, I feel like Litt is the most likely candidate to have bussed out of "the three main suspects", as Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there. along with that, some of Litt's quotes have been quite questionable. Honestly, if this picks up as a lynch, I'm on board. He's actually most likely traitor if anything, but yeah. @yashgrenina - sigh. either scum, or town gem, his reads have been pretty alright, though his excuse about pkq seems too detailed and fabricated, I can't stand it. leaning scum, but possible the other way around. ZestOfLife - lol. idk what you want me to say. low poster. this is so null to the point where the only reason he's scum is poe lieb - low poster, pushed ayia for something everyone else townreads him as. (i wrote this next part when i woke up) started giving more creative reasoning, and is actually somewhat worth listening to, despite it not really changing my read. overall this is still town, just like the same argument for ayia being town really. Schrodinger - ok this is pretty obviously town do I really need to explain myself. - this is where i fell asleep - bluegummybear - hi bgb. post more so i can read you. poe says you're scum but I may just be wrong so if you wanna prove me wrong you should do that. foreverjoker - this is town, just a really unknowledgable one. hopefully this is the general agreement and we can just like not lynch him. scum reads: tbz, yash, litt, zol, bgb town reads: basically everyone else conftown: pkq How are you calling my excuse fabricated when you're literally saying that you weren't on forums to shift off of PKQ even though your last post was a minute before PKQ claimed bodyguard, and then expecting everyone to be okay with that and move on??? No need to be hypocritical here fam, you're still town in my eyes but that brought down a lot of your credibility imo. When it comes to your scumpool I don't like 2/5 of it... I'm town and you're assuming bgb is scum when they just subbed in and need time to catch up in terms of what all has happened so far... I'm not saying BGB!scum isn't possible, but I'd cut him some slack since he just subbed in, which you are doing, but POE on a subbed slot shouldn't hold much weight in comparison to the likes of the rest of your scumpool. ZoL!scum is something I agree with (hence why I'm lynching them) and same with Litt!scum, which is something I haven't talked much about but talked about back in Day 1. TBZ!scum I didn't agree with at first but as time has gone by it's definitely possible that he could be scum, considering I feel like TBZ!town would put a LOT more effort into the game and would make more accurate decisions and reads
sorry, what I meant was you didn't have to add an unneccesary amount of filler to say "I was going to but dl sucks" |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 21:45:02 GMT
Considering Mafia only has 3 people before anyone dies, I don't think the other two mafia that are known to the one that got bussed (Trem in this case) would BOTH be on the lynch, but it's possible that both were on here for the town cred. If that's the case, I think focusing on Litt is a good idea assuming the ZoL slot actually can rebound in terms of content and can actually be helpful for once. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 23, 2020 21:45:23 GMT
yeah I'm not buying any of myo's reads lmao ah yes because I srd you, my reads are suddenly invalid. fuckin hell. For some of these I actually agree with qtball ngl. I'm going to post this for the third time today but it still stands and hasn't been addressed by your post in a satisfactory way: "I am going to have a hard time buying into any wagon for a player that voted for trem if the argument for it doesn't start with something like "this is the mafia rationale behind bussing here", preferably also followed by why this is not only possible but probable. " "Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there." is something you really have to explain, not just say. "He's actually most likely traitor if anything" also makes no sense to me you have to actually work through the logic on this. |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 21:45:55 GMT
How are you calling my excuse fabricated when you're literally saying that you weren't on forums to shift off of PKQ even though your last post was a minute before PKQ claimed bodyguard, and then expecting everyone to be okay with that and move on??? No need to be hypocritical here fam, you're still town in my eyes but that brought down a lot of your credibility imo. When it comes to your scumpool I don't like 2/5 of it... I'm town and you're assuming bgb is scum when they just subbed in and need time to catch up in terms of what all has happened so far... I'm not saying BGB!scum isn't possible, but I'd cut him some slack since he just subbed in, which you are doing, but POE on a subbed slot shouldn't hold much weight in comparison to the likes of the rest of your scumpool. ZoL!scum is something I agree with (hence why I'm lynching them) and same with Litt!scum, which is something I haven't talked much about but talked about back in Day 1. TBZ!scum I didn't agree with at first but as time has gone by it's definitely possible that he could be scum, considering I feel like TBZ!town would put a LOT more effort into the game and would make more accurate decisions and reads
sorry, what I meant was you didn't have to add an unneccesary amount of filler to say "I was going to but dl sucks"Well my bad for wanting to thoroughly explain my side of things. All of a sudden, I'm scum for it -_- |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:46:53 GMT
sorry, what I meant was you didn't have to add an unneccesary amount of filler to say "I was going to but dl sucks"Well my bad for wanting to thoroughly explain my side of things. All of a sudden, I'm scum for it -_- it just comes out so forced and unneccesary. |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:51:34 GMT
Setup Details:
- The Traitor knows the identities of the Mafia Goons, but the Goons do not know the identity of the Traitor.
- If all the Mafia Goons die, the Traitor automatically dies and the game ends.
- The Bodyguard cannot target the same person consecutively
3x Mafia Goon
1x White Flag Traitor
8x Vanilla Townie
2x Tracker
1x Bodyguard
Sample Role PMs:
Good evening user:
Role: Mafia Goon
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities: Factional Nightkill, Factional Communication.
Your associates: Your fellow Mafia members.
Win Condition: Control at least 50% of the player base.
Good evening user:
Role: White Flag Traitor
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities: None, except for your vote.
Your associates: Your fellow Mafia members.
Win Condition: Control at least 50% of the player base while at least one other Mafia Goon is alive.
Good evening user:
Role: Vanilla Townie
Alignment: Town
Abilities: None, except for your vote.
Your associates: Your fellow townsfolk.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Good evening user:
Role: Tracker
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Target one player at night to learn who, if anybody, that player targeted that night.
Your associates: Your fellow townsfolk.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Good evening user:
Role: Bodyguard
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Each night phase, you may attempt to protect one player in the game from being night-killed. If they are targeted for a kill, you will die instead.
Your associates: Your fellow townsfolk.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
in no way my two statements are contradictory, if that's what you mean. Plus, anyone with half a braincell would've shifted onto Trem there, I've already made my excuse and despite how fake Yash's feels, it's still an explanation. There's no reason that my read on Litt should be invalidated here. |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 21:54:12 GMT
did y'all forget traitor knows the identities of the mafia or smth?
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Post by quojova on Jun 23, 2020 21:55:32 GMT
Setup Details:
- The Traitor knows the identities of the Mafia Goons, but the Goons do not know the identity of the Traitor.
- If all the Mafia Goons die, the Traitor automatically dies and the game ends.
- The Bodyguard cannot target the same person consecutively
3x Mafia Goon
1x White Flag Traitor
8x Vanilla Townie
2x Tracker
1x Bodyguard
Sample Role PMs:
Good evening user:
Role: Mafia Goon
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities: Factional Nightkill, Factional Communication.
Your associates: Your fellow Mafia members.
Win Condition: Control at least 50% of the player base.
Good evening user:
Role: White Flag Traitor
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities: None, except for your vote.
Your associates: Your fellow Mafia members.
Win Condition: Control at least 50% of the player base while at least one other Mafia Goon is alive.
Good evening user:
Role: Vanilla Townie
Alignment: Town
Abilities: None, except for your vote.
Your associates: Your fellow townsfolk.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Good evening user:
Role: Tracker
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Target one player at night to learn who, if anybody, that player targeted that night.
Your associates: Your fellow townsfolk.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Good evening user:
Role: Bodyguard
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Each night phase, you may attempt to protect one player in the game from being night-killed. If they are targeted for a kill, you will die instead.
Your associates: Your fellow townsfolk.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
in no way my two statements are contradictory, if that's what you mean. Plus, anyone with half a braincell would've shifted onto Trem there, I've already made my excuse and despite how fake Yash's feels, it's still an explanation. There's no reason that my read on Litt should be invalidated here. I never suggested that two posts you made were contradictory, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. "anyone with half a braincell would've shifted onto Trem there" is still not an answer to the question, and it does not account for the fact that not shifting was clearly a pretty low-consequence play in the long run. DO THE ANALYSIS. WEIGH THE RISK/REWARD. Why would a maf bus there? And why is that likely? |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 21:55:57 GMT
ah yes because I srd you, my reads are suddenly invalid. fuckin hell. For some of these I actually agree with qtball ngl. I'm going to post this for the third time today but it still stands and hasn't been addressed by your post in a satisfactory way: "I am going to have a hard time buying into any wagon for a player that voted for trem if the argument for it doesn't start with something like "this is the mafia rationale behind bussing here", preferably also followed by why this is not only possible but probable. " "Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there." is something you really have to explain, not just say. "He's actually most likely traitor if anything" also makes no sense to me you have to actually work through the logic on this. I don't know if I'm speaking for everyone who thinks Litt is a plausible lynch/SR, but regarding your wanting of a proper explanation as to why Litt probably bussed: unlynch lifesucc lynch forever jokerflunked my vote earlier "Well for starters its just a day 1 read. It could change later on but I think mafia could of kept their mouth shut easily. Like they could of tried to gain plurality later on without revealing their plan. Litteleven could be mafia but right now I'm just guessing You looked into a slight read too much tbh" - forever joker earlier i can't buy dropping a read as soon as people look into the smallest of implications as something town would openly do. it's not even reverting their read more so as distancing themselves from their actions, plus i'm not a fan of the narwhal wagon given both they and the people lynching them aren't really doing anything in game to justify their stance on the lynch Instance #1 of a weak D1 from Litt. They at some point lynched two really strong town reads (I think most people would agree) in lifesucc and FJ, so their head ain't straight. Instance #2: That huge ass strategy post that could've easily been coerced by the Mafia faction. People gave more credit than he deserved for it and I'm not gonna stand for it ayia please claim, I'm declaring intent shift to you given I can't find a conceivable reason for you to lynch pkq other than to use my town vote as a set up to cw Instance #3: Trying to force a D1 claim out of a strong town for lynching PKQ of all people, and keep in mind this happened way before PKQ claimed BG. i think the play is trem too but i believe there was something good happening with the ayia lynch I don't think they deserve the lynch as much as some other people but it's my gut read that they're more likely to be scum in this scenario Instance #4: Rather than actually playing by his beliefs, he's trying to play by the beliefs and ideals of most people in the game to appeal to them. How are you just gonna say Trem is a better lynch than Ayia when you don't SR Trem but you DO SR Ayia? This instance of scummy gameplay can be brought down in terms of credibility since Trem flipped scum, but I'm 95% sure that wasn't any of Litt's intention when shifting off of their actual scumreads and jumping on a wagon. This goes back to my post in response to arc's scumpool where I agreed that Litt probably bussed because a 6 wagon on scum is bound to have at LEAST one scum on it.
Ironically after typing all of this, I find it more of a possibility that Litt is scum in comparison to ZoL just being dumb and not actually PLAYING THE GAME. unlynch zestoflife, lynch Litt.
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 21:57:11 GMT
Further, would like to reiterate that this game is unwinnable without activity / proper wagon formation, scum can somewhat easily enforce plurality and its 3 mislynches before a lylo. There's also quite good odds of lynching scum and vote history helps a lot down the line if you're town. Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads. ^ This is the quote I was referring to for Instance #2. Mb for not copy pasting the BBCode. |
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