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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 22:01:30 GMT
zol lynch seems v free given he's been afk but i think my main line of reasoning is this: he randed a lynch on sadwhal and was the only one on him by eod. would he really nk the person he was lynching? Good point tbh, my bad for not acknowledging this earlier. I changed my lynch anyways |
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Post by quojova on Jun 23, 2020 22:06:28 GMT
added my comments in blue For some of these I actually agree with qtball ngl. I'm going to post this for the third time today but it still stands and hasn't been addressed by your post in a satisfactory way: "I am going to have a hard time buying into any wagon for a player that voted for trem if the argument for it doesn't start with something like "this is the mafia rationale behind bussing here", preferably also followed by why this is not only possible but probable. " "Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there." is something you really have to explain, not just say. "He's actually most likely traitor if anything" also makes no sense to me you have to actually work through the logic on this. I don't know if I'm speaking for everyone who thinks Litt is a plausible lynch/SR, but regarding your wanting of a proper explanation as to why Litt probably bussed: unlynch lifesucc lynch forever jokerflunked my vote earlier "Well for starters its just a day 1 read. It could change later on but I think mafia could of kept their mouth shut easily. Like they could of tried to gain plurality later on without revealing their plan. Litteleven could be mafia but right now I'm just guessing You looked into a slight read too much tbh" - forever joker earlier i can't buy dropping a read as soon as people look into the smallest of implications as something town would openly do. it's not even reverting their read more so as distancing themselves from their actions, plus i'm not a fan of the narwhal wagon given both they and the people lynching them aren't really doing anything in game to justify their stance on the lynch Instance #1 of a weak D1 from Litt. They at some point lynched two really strong town reads (I think most people would agree) in lifesucc and FJ, so their head ain't straight. Instance #2: That huge ass strategy post that could've easily been coerced by the Mafia faction. People gave more credit than he deserved for it and I'm not gonna stand for it ayia please claim, I'm declaring intent shift to you given I can't find a conceivable reason for you to lynch pkq other than to use my town vote as a set up to cw Instance #3: Trying to force a D1 claim out of a strong town for lynching PKQ of all people, and keep in mind this happened way before PKQ claimed BG. i think the play is trem too but i believe there was something good happening with the ayia lynch I don't think they deserve the lynch as much as some other people but it's my gut read that they're more likely to be scum in this scenario Instance #4: Rather than actually playing by his beliefs, he's trying to play by the beliefs and ideals of most people in the game to appeal to them. How are you just gonna say Trem is a better lynch than Ayia when you don't SR Trem but you DO SR Ayia? This instance of scummy gameplay can be brought down in terms of credibility since Trem flipped scum, but I'm 95% sure that wasn't any of Litt's intention when shifting off of their actual scumreads and jumping on a wagon. This goes back to my post in response to arc's scumpool where I agreed that Litt probably bussed because a 6 wagon on scum is bound to have at LEAST one scum on it.
Ironically after typing all of this, I find it more of a possibility that Litt is scum in comparison to ZoL just being dumb and not actually PLAYING THE GAME. unlynch zestoflife, lynch Litt.
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Post by quojova on Jun 23, 2020 22:06:53 GMT
ignore the above post, I accidentally hit submit without writing anything
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 22:09:51 GMT
quojova in no way my two statements are contradictory, if that's what you mean. Plus, anyone with half a braincell would've shifted onto Trem there, I've already made my excuse and despite how fake Yash's feels, it's still an explanation. There's no reason that my read on Litt should be invalidated here. I never suggested that two posts you made were contradictory, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. "anyone with half a braincell would've shifted onto Trem there" is still not an answer to the question, and it does not account for the fact that not shifting was clearly a pretty low-consequence play in the long run. DO THE ANALYSIS. WEIGH THE RISK/REWARD. Why would a maf bus there? And why is that likely? you're literally asking me to explain the most obvious thing. pkq claimed a power role. everyone shifted, and the only options were trem and ayia, and trem was much more likely, as a good portion of the game read him. i luterally don't see why i need to explain this, you're just making yourself look so much worse. |
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 22:16:12 GMT
bussing from a cfd is so fucking common. after pkq claimed bg, options were trem, or nobody. and not lynching trem with the fucking mob that this game is, it's just going to lead you to death
this feels like I'm playing on ps again and it's disgusting.
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Post by myo! on Jun 23, 2020 22:17:26 GMT
like ok
you act like you don't understand why people bus
either that or you're saying you're so confident nobody else bussed, meaning you must've.
so like
stop it. get some help.
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 22:34:21 GMT
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Post by quojova on Jun 23, 2020 22:45:03 GMT
very appropriately posted lol I stopped writing that response post on your wall when I hit instance 3, because I can hardly make sense of what's Litt's post at 3 and 4 are actually saying. They do seem scummy but it would make more sense for Litt himself to actually respond to them. I think 1 and 2 are pretty weak so I'll include what I had written on those. Instance #1 of a weak D1 from Litt. They at some point lynched two really strong town reads (I think most people would agree) in lifesucc and FJ, so their head ain't straight. These are currently strong town reads, but both of those players weren't even widely read, nevermind strongly read as town at the time he wrote that post. This is just wrong.
Instance #2: That huge ass strategy post that could've easily been coerced by the Mafia faction. People gave more credit than he deserved for it and I'm not gonna stand for it It seems like your complaint here is "people are giving this too much credit", which is perfectly fine, but doesn't explain why this post necessarily is mafia-related. When the dust settled on this post no one strongly or even moderately gave him towncred for this as far as I can tell. Why does "getting to much credit" translate to mafia? That should just make this post a null read.
I'm going to cool myself off before fully responding to ddw, I found myself getting agitated when I was copy-pasting points that I had already made in my iso to respond to him "it's just going to lead you to death" is just so wrong though, I mean neither you or ddw are in serious risk of death as it stands with what are honestly pretty weak excuses. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 23, 2020 22:56:08 GMT
hold up why the fuck is FJ suddenly a "strong townread" quojova |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 22:56:48 GMT
very appropriately posted lol I stopped writing that response post on your wall when I hit instance 3, because I can hardly make sense of what's Litt's post at 3 and 4 are actually saying. They do seem scummy but it would make more sense for Litt himself to actually respond to them. I think 1 and 2 are pretty weak so I'll include what I had written on those. Instance #1 of a weak D1 from Litt. They at some point lynched two really strong town reads (I think most people would agree) in lifesucc and FJ, so their head ain't straight. These are currently strong town reads, but both of those players weren't even widely read, nevermind strongly read as town at the time he wrote that post. This is just wrong.
That's not entirely true when you factored in what they were SRed for (especially in Foreverjoker's case), but accounting for the timing of his SRs, you're right. Didn't really think about it that way.Instance #2: That huge ass strategy post that could've easily been coerced by the Mafia faction. People gave more credit than he deserved for it and I'm not gonna stand for it It seems like your complaint here is "people are giving this too much credit", which is perfectly fine, but doesn't explain why this post necessarily is mafia-related. When the dust settled on this post no one strongly or even moderately gave him towncred for this as far as I can tell. Why does "getting to much credit" translate to mafia? That should just make this post a null read.
People gave him towncred in the beginning though which is what mafia would want, and even though it never settled as him being a strong TR, the fact that the post existed in the first place kept him from being one of the three options to be lynched D1 (the options being Trem, Ayia, and PKQ before he claimed BG)
I'm going to cool myself off before fully responding to ddw, I found myself getting agitated when I was copy-pasting points that I had already made in my iso to respond to him "it's just going to lead you to death" is just so wrong though, I mean neither you or ddw are in serious risk of death as it stands with what are honestly pretty weak excuses. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 23, 2020 22:56:50 GMT
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Post by quojova on Jun 23, 2020 22:59:21 GMT
don't have the exact post but trem pushed on fj at one point, and it didn't feel like a bus |
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Post by qtball on Jun 23, 2020 23:03:01 GMT
you have said like nothing i- So right now here's my small list of reads and thoughts on some folks. If i didnt include someone I havent drawn a conclusion on them or i dont have any important thoughts on them yet. Also I didnt read the whole ayia vs ⭐ thing but i think i got the gist of it. (Might go back later if it comes up again) Quo- Very helpful, feels the most town to me. Litt- honestly the first few comments they made dont seem like they have anything deeper than whats at face value, but i'm still unsure if they are town or not ⭐- I think what they said about litt's comment could be taken one of two ways. 1, they attempted to antagonize litt so they could lynch them or they arr very cautious. I bet theres a third or fourth possible motive i havent come across but i don't wanna dwell on something that happend 10 hours ago too much My gut is saying they are not town but I really dont wanna trust my gut this time. *This is the point where i got tired and my thoughts became shorter Yash- my gut says town Ayia- I know i had thoughts on them but they slipped my mind, darn Anyways its 4 hours past my bed time so I'll try to get something better tomorrow Yeah i said a wholelotta nothing I'm going off of this post from Tremenon. He planted a lynch on FJ and pretty much didn't give a good explanation other than "their answers seem weird" so FJ can take a town lean for now wrt to the reads Tremenon presented, a lot of them just seem like weak "this person is probably town" so in the event that he flipped scum people would suspect them, therefore I put those people in a "town list". Likewise, he made a scum lean on myo but didnt ever lynch her or press it more than just saying so, which is why I am currently lynching her, as it seems like an easy way to make her seem town after he flipped scum and present a scum read on her. |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 23:13:35 GMT
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 23, 2020 23:14:02 GMT
very appropriately posted lol I stopped writing that response post on your wall when I hit instance 3, because I can hardly make sense of what's Litt's post at 3 and 4 are actually saying. They do seem scummy but it would make more sense for Litt himself to actually respond to them. I think 1 and 2 are pretty weak so I'll include what I had written on those. Instance #1 of a weak D1 from Litt. They at some point lynched two really strong town reads (I think most people would agree) in lifesucc and FJ, so their head ain't straight. These are currently strong town reads, but both of those players weren't even widely read, nevermind strongly read as town at the time he wrote that post. This is just wrong.
That's not entirely true when you factored in what they were SRed for (especially in Foreverjoker's case), but accounting for the timing of his SRs, you're right. Didn't really think about it that way.Instance #2: That huge ass strategy post that could've easily been coerced by the Mafia faction. People gave more credit than he deserved for it and I'm not gonna stand for it It seems like your complaint here is "people are giving this too much credit", which is perfectly fine, but doesn't explain why this post necessarily is mafia-related. When the dust settled on this post no one strongly or even moderately gave him towncred for this as far as I can tell. Why does "getting to much credit" translate to mafia? That should just make this post a null read.
People gave him towncred in the beginning though which is what mafia would want, and even though it never settled as him being a strong TR, the fact that the post existed in the first place kept him from being one of the three options to be lynched D1 (the options being Trem, Ayia, and PKQ before he claimed BG)
I'm going to cool myself off before fully responding to ddw, I found myself getting agitated when I was copy-pasting points that I had already made in my iso to respond to him "it's just going to lead you to death" is just so wrong though, I mean neither you or ddw are in serious risk of death as it stands with what are honestly pretty weak excuses. forgot to say but my responses to urs are in red quojova |
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Post by qtball on Jun 23, 2020 23:56:45 GMT
are we only getting eod subs bc half the game is afk
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Post by ayia on Jun 24, 2020 0:06:32 GMT
I never suggested that two posts you made were contradictory, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. "anyone with half a braincell would've shifted onto Trem there" is still not an answer to the question, and it does not account for the fact that not shifting was clearly a pretty low-consequence play in the long run. DO THE ANALYSIS. WEIGH THE RISK/REWARD. Why would a maf bus there? And why is that likely? you're literally asking me to explain the most obvious thing. pkq claimed a power role. everyone shifted, and the only options were trem and ayia, and trem was much more likely, as a good portion of the game read him. i luterally don't see why i need to explain this, you're just making yourself look so much worse.if you say this one more time i’m going to snap like a chicken bone |
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Post by qtball on Jun 24, 2020 0:19:05 GMT
litrally luv
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Post by chad on Jun 24, 2020 0:36:28 GMT
bussing from a cfd is so fucking common. after pkq claimed bg, options were trem, or nobody. and not lynching trem with the fucking mob that this game is, it's just going to lead you to death this feels like I'm playing on ps again and it's disgusting. If it's such an easy explanation, just give it to us. |
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Post by qtball on Jun 24, 2020 1:03:03 GMT
i dont see why myo doesnt have more lynches, her reactions have been terrible and her tone seems very ingenuine
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Post by ayia on Jun 24, 2020 1:05:00 GMT
i dont see why myo doesnt have more lynches, her reactions have been terrible and her tone seems very ingenuine I'll lynch her after I get what I'm looking for from Litt |
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Post by bluegummybear on Jun 24, 2020 1:22:50 GMT
I guess that's a fair point but I still don't think shifting off is inherently townie; it's just as easily scum shifting off to get towncred with an easy kill on the bodyguard at night My read on you is more about your shiftiness in terms of lynches yesterday and also the fact that you slipped under the radar yesterday. The early lynch is to prevent you from falling under the radar again while also demonstrating my suspicion On that note, can I have your reads? atm i have a town pool, not a scum pool if i had a solid reason to sr someone I'd lynch and push but it's unfortunately not the case. reserved early day for decisive softs/lynches like results which haven't happened so I'm unsure Alright Finally got over my sub lag, I skimmed through half the game already and It seems like y'all were able to lynch a mafia goon. Go Town! Since there was a mafia lynch I wondering what everyone's town pool now after the day 1 scum lynch? bluegummybear - hi bgb. post more so i can read you. poe says you're scum but I may just be wrong so if you wanna prove me wrong you should do that. heyo and yea are we only getting eod subs bc half the game is afk Is that so Request and excuses:
I probably won't be able to intake all the information today however I would like to contribute to the topic at hand right now, So if you could ask any engaging question that would be helpful. Also, Can someone Give me 2 people who they think are town and 2 people who they think are scum and I will go fetch some reads on those 4 targets? I rather not try to focus on "Catching up". I would like to have a more focus goal that isn't overwhelming when I am getting started. My Availability:
I have about 3 hours until I go to bed and won't be back on in 17 hours(functionally). However, I would be able to pop in from time to time for quick thoughts. After tomorrow then everything Should be normal for me. Trying to get all my contributing done right now before I disappear for 17 hours Since I am a sub with not much content. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 24, 2020 1:34:07 GMT
atm i have a town pool, not a scum pool if i had a solid reason to sr someone I'd lynch and push but it's unfortunately not the case. reserved early day for decisive softs/lynches like results which haven't happened so I'm unsure Alright Finally got over my sub lag, I skimmed through half the game already and It seems like y'all were able to lynch a mafia goon. Go Town! Since there was a mafia lynch I wondering what everyone's town pool now after the day 1 scum lynch? bluegummybear - hi bgb. post more so i can read you. poe says you're scum but I may just be wrong so if you wanna prove me wrong you should do that. heyo and yea are we only getting eod subs bc half the game is afk Is that so Request and excuses:
I probably won't be able to intake all the information today however I would like to contribute to the topic at hand right now, So if you could ask any engaging question that would be helpful. Also, Can someone Give me 2 people who they think are town and 2 people who they think are scum and I will go fetch some reads on those 4 targets? I rather not try to focus on "Catching up". I would like to have a more focus goal that isn't overwhelming when I am getting started. My Availability:
I have about 3 hours until I go to bed and won't be back on in 17 hours(functionally). However, I would be able to pop in from time to time for quick thoughts. After tomorrow then everything Should be normal for me. Trying to get all my contributing done right now before I disappear for 17 hours Since I am a sub with not much content. My townpool: every trem voter + FJ My scumpool: everyone else People in particular I think are really scummy: lieb (maybe ddw but I'm waffling on that one) |
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Post by bluegummybear on Jun 24, 2020 1:49:20 GMT
My townpool: every trem voter + FJ My scumpool: everyone else People in particular I think are really scummy: lieb (maybe ddw but I'm waffling on that one) OK so star emoji and lieb Give me 2 names of people you think are town |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 24, 2020 2:08:49 GMT
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