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Post by quojova on Jun 24, 2020 2:10:07 GMT
My townpool: every trem voter + FJ My scumpool: everyone else People in particular I think are really scummy: lieb (maybe ddw but I'm waffling on that one) OK so star emoji and lieb Give me 2 names of people you think are town in particular ayia and scept (also pkq ofc) |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 24, 2020 2:17:10 GMT
Alright Finally got over my sub lag, I skimmed through half the game already and It seems like y'all were able to lynch a mafia goon. Go Town! Since there was a mafia lynch I wondering what everyone's town pool now after the day 1 scum lynch? heyo and yea Is that so Request and excuses:
I probably won't be able to intake all the information today however I would like to contribute to the topic at hand right now, So if you could ask any engaging question that would be helpful. Also, Can someone Give me 2 people who they think are town and 2 people who they think are scum and I will go fetch some reads on those 4 targets? I rather not try to focus on "Catching up". I would like to have a more focus goal that isn't overwhelming when I am getting started. My Availability:
I have about 3 hours until I go to bed and won't be back on in 17 hours(functionally). However, I would be able to pop in from time to time for quick thoughts. After tomorrow then everything Should be normal for me. Trying to get all my contributing done right now before I disappear for 17 hours Since I am a sub with not much content. My townpool: every trem voter + FJ My scumpool: everyone else People in particular I think are really scummy: lieb (maybe ddw but I'm waffling on that one) 1) Does the townpool include me? since I explained that I was about to lynch Trem but couldn't bc DL is a bitch, I assume so 2) At least 1 person on Trem bussed so your townpool has a scum or two in it |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 24, 2020 2:24:15 GMT
Anyways in the wise words of Schiavetto, I encourage everyone to make a 3x3. This is where you provide 3 SRs and 3 TRs, and why. You CANNOT include yourself in the list of TRs.
SRs
1) Litt - I gave an entire thread of evidence in regards to their words as to why they're scummy and why it's very plausible that they bussed. 2) ZoL - For someone who's actually good at Mafia, I fail to see why they've done absolutely nothing useful this game.
3) Lieb - He kinda just did something, dipped, and assumed that was "enough for proper activity"
Other Plausible SRs: Myo, TBZ
TRs
1) Ayia - This is a pretty obvious TR but if people are blind enough to not know why, it's b/c they've had very good decisions and reads so far in the game.
2) Quojova - Same reasons as above, but they could also use some changes in regards to their TRs and SRs since it's a large possibility that someone bussed Trem on the 6 lynch wagon for D1.
3) ForeverJoker - I've been advocating him as town for a long time, but it mainly comes from the fact that they've done nothing scummy and that so many people jumped to lynch them D1 for not doing anything, making him look like a scapegoat.
Other Plausible TRs: Lifesucc, BGB
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Post by quojova on Jun 24, 2020 2:48:22 GMT
My townpool: every trem voter + FJ My scumpool: everyone else People in particular I think are really scummy: lieb (maybe ddw but I'm waffling on that one) 1) Does the townpool include me? since I explained that I was about to lynch Trem but couldn't bc DL is a bitch, I assume so 2) At least 1 person on Trem bussed so your townpool has a scum or two in it 1) I decided the "townpool - scumpool" cutoff somewhat arbitrarily. I decided on this particular cutoff because I have a large gap in certainty between Litt/FJ and my next highest tr. If you are interested in my trs from here off the top of my head, it would probably go: chad yash (notably you are quite a bit higher than bgb, possibly above chad) bgb (complete null) zol (near-null) ddw (again, not too sure on this slot. will have to do a full iso at some point to know exactly where to place this but I don't think this is today's chop) lieb 2) You mentioned this in your last post too but I forgot to mention it. From what I can tell you pulled this out of seemingly thin air and I'm not on board with it. Does this come from the simple mathematics of picking 6 people out of a pool of 15 with with 4 scum in the pool? Does it come from some divine gamesense and experience that you have which is telling you all size 6 wagons on a scum must contain a bus? Both of these seem blind to the unique circumstances we found ourselves in at EoD1 but I'm left guessing what your actual rationale is here because you've left us in the dark. I would not be too surprised if a few days down the line when we are thinking about deepwolves we start to dig into these trem wagoners a bit more but I stand firm that none of them are the right chop today, and probably not tomorrow either unless one of them lights themselves on fire with gasoline and starts committing mafia acts immediately front of our eyes. |
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Post by myo! on Jun 24, 2020 3:01:43 GMT
bussing from a cfd is so fucking common. after pkq claimed bg, options were trem, or nobody. and not lynching trem with the fucking mob that this game is, it's just going to lead you to death this feels like I'm playing on ps again and it's disgusting. If it's such an easy explanation, just give it to us. I'm so confused at what the hell you're asking for, I'm telling you exactly why and you're just dismissing it |
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Post by myo! on Jun 24, 2020 3:05:08 GMT
i dont see why myo doesnt have more lynches, her reactions have been terrible and her tone seems very ingenuine regurgitating exactly what ayia said. I said it was gonna happen. plus you've never played games with me previously so all you have to comment on my tone is and my reactions are what you think is acceptable, which is probably a really high standard. same goes for ayia. god I wish I was in game 1, this shit would've flown by because people in that game actually know and have played with me |
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Post by myo! on Jun 24, 2020 3:07:25 GMT
pain is real.
it's called people not listening.
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Post by bluegummybear on Jun 24, 2020 3:11:56 GMT
Day 1 Quick Thoughts
Star symbol- ActiveHe's very active and seems to be very frank with hes reactions/moments. Which I think Is a more Town trait then Mafia trait but then again it can always be play-style thing. Also agreeing with lieb here with him being genuine Lieb- NullLate entrance, However, When he the post regarding ayia and Star symbol he does seem to leave off on a great townish note. But there not much to go off other than that. Day 2 updates Star symbol- Active
Nothing much, However, I didn't like how he came late on the "what was that night kill" reaction seems a little "bandwaggon-y" to me Lieb- Null
Nothing to add from day 2, however he did town read a flipped scum. I guess .... OverallStar symbol- Active
userI dont see much reason to think this slot is worthy of a lynch right now. I would say he has more points on the townie spectrum Lieb- Null, Needs more contentI dont see any reason not to lynch him, I guess .... But if they are any better options I would rather push that Note: - There Nothing I can Determine that makes them a strong indicator for scum/town as of right now
- I am holding back a little since I wasn't in the presence of the discussion and dont want to dwell too much in the past.
- If I finish in time I will Do Ayia and scept shortly
- Z_Z
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Post by bluegummybear on Jun 24, 2020 3:20:49 GMT
Anyways in the wise words of Schiavetto, I encourage everyone to make a 3x3. This is where you provide 3 SRs and 3 TRs, and why. You CANNOT include yourself in the list of TRs.
Quoting a verse from the Book of Schiavetto, I see you :] Long time no see, How ya doing man |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 24, 2020 3:28:16 GMT
1) Does the townpool include me? since I explained that I was about to lynch Trem but couldn't bc DL is a bitch, I assume so 2) At least 1 person on Trem bussed so your townpool has a scum or two in it 1) I decided the "townpool - scumpool" cutoff somewhat arbitrarily. I decided on this particular cutoff because I have a large gap in certainty between Litt/FJ and my next highest tr. If you are interested in my trs from here off the top of my head, it would probably go: chad yash (notably you are quite a bit higher than bgb, possibly above chad) bgb (complete null) zol (near-null) ddw (again, not too sure on this slot. will have to do a full iso at some point to know exactly where to place this but I don't think this is today's chop) lieb 2) You mentioned this in your last post too but I forgot to mention it. From what I can tell you pulled this out of seemingly thin air and I'm not on board with it. Does this come from the simple mathematics of picking 6 people out of a pool of 15 with with 4 scum in the pool? Does it come from some divine gamesense and experience that you have which is telling you all size 6 wagons on a scum must contain a bus? Both of these seem blind to the unique circumstances we found ourselves in at EoD1 but I'm left guessing what your actual rationale is here because you've left us in the dark. I would not be too surprised if a few days down the line when we are thinking about deepwolves we start to dig into these trem wagoners a bit more but I stand firm that none of them are the right chop today, and probably not tomorrow either unless one of them lights themselves on fire with gasoline and starts committing mafia acts immediately front of our eyes. It wasn't pulled out of thin air first of all. I'm just saying it's highly likely that someone bussed with the late game shift at EOD1 from PKQ to Trem since PKQ claimed Bodyguard. Even if you don't think that holds much of validity, you have to factor in the previous stuff I said about Litt that make a convincing case for Litt!scum (just look at my previous msgs, you'll find it). I'd find it highly unlikely that all 6 people on Trem were town if the wagon on Trem was practically half the entire PL. Also consider the fact that about half the people on Trem at EOD1 weren't planning on lynching Trem, but it only turned out to be that way because PKQ claimed BG so late.
I appreciate the TR though, I'm pretty sure I ranked you top 3 TRs in the game when I made my 3x3 previously *shakes hand* I'm still going to press the Litt slot until enough comes out of it to convince me otherwise or if some other game changing event takes place like a CC to PKQ's BG claim / scumslips, etc |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 24, 2020 3:28:55 GMT
Day 1 Quick Thoughts
Star symbol- ActiveHe's very active and seems to be very frank with hes reactions/moments. Which I think Is a more Town trait then Mafia trait but then again it can always be play-style thing. Also agreeing with lieb here with him being genuine Lieb- NullLate entrance, However, When he the post regarding ayia and Star symbol he does seem to leave off on a great townish note. But there not much to go off other than that. Day 2 updates Star symbol- Active
Nothing much, However, I didn't like how he came late on the "what was that night kill" reaction seems a little "bandwaggon-y" to me Lieb- Null
Nothing to add from day 2, however he did town read a flipped scum. I guess .... OverallStar symbol- Active
userI dont see much reason to think this slot is worthy of a lynch right now. I would say he has more points on the townie spectrum Lieb- Null, Needs more contentI dont see any reason not to lynch him, I guess .... But if they are any better options I would rather push that Note: - There Nothing I can Determine that makes them a strong indicator for scum/town as of right now
- I am holding back a little since I wasn't in the presence of the discussion and dont want to dwell too much in the past.
- If I finish in time I will Do Ayia and scept shortly
- Z_Z
This post seems extremely and almost in a scary way, genuine AF. I don't know why but my gut is telling me BGB is town |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 24, 2020 3:29:39 GMT
Anyways in the wise words of Schiavetto, I encourage everyone to make a 3x3. This is where you provide 3 SRs and 3 TRs, and why. You CANNOT include yourself in the list of TRs.
Quoting a verse from the Book of Schiavetto, I see you :] Long time no see, How ya doing man A man of culture I see  I'm doing well, I've moved onto better things but I still like playing Mafia occasionally  Nice to see you though, hope to see you in more future events in Survivor as well! |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 24, 2020 3:30:24 GMT
I'm logging off for the night. Hopefully I can wake up to tons of new and fresh content  Good night all! |
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Post by bluegummybear on Jun 24, 2020 3:50:17 GMT
Day 1 Quick Thoughts
Star symbol- ActiveHe's very active and seems to be very frank with hes reactions/moments. Which I think Is a more Town trait then Mafia trait but then again it can always be play-style thing. Also agreeing with lieb here with him being genuine Lieb- NullLate entrance, However, When he the post regarding ayia and Star symbol he does seem to leave off on a great townish note. But there not much to go off other than that. Day 2 updates Star symbol- Active
Nothing much, However, I didn't like how he came late on the "what was that night kill" reaction seems a little "bandwaggon-y" to me Lieb- Null
Nothing to add from day 2, however he did town read a flipped scum. I guess .... OverallStar symbol- Active
userI dont see much reason to think this slot is worthy of a lynch right now. I would say he has more points on the townie spectrum Lieb- Null, Needs more contentI dont see any reason not to lynch him, I guess .... But if they are any better options I would rather push that Note: - There Nothing I can Determine that makes them a strong indicator for scum/town as of right now
- I am holding back a little since I wasn't in the presence of the discussion and dont want to dwell too much in the past.
- If I finish in time I will Do Ayia and scept shortly
- Z_Z
This post seems extremely and almost in a scary way, genuine AF. I don't know why but my gut is telling me BGB is town Quoting a verse from the Book of Schiavetto, I see you :] Long time no see, How ya doing man A man of culture I see I'm doing well, I've moved onto better things but I still like playing Mafia occasionally Nice to see you though, hope to see you in more future events in Survivor as well!  |
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 3:58:28 GMT
just so I and everyone else has this for reference unless something crazy happens, my personal hangpool for today is ZoL, ddw, bluegummybear, lieb, chad, and yash why is everythin I want to say already said by you |
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Post by quojova on Jun 24, 2020 4:18:40 GMT
Alright, I guess I can slog through this now. This is a rough post but I had to do it at some point.
The arguments I can draw from your (ddw's) posts about why a bus is plausible and furthermore likely, distilled down to their core, are (if you think I missed anything lmk):
"pkq claimed a power role.
everyone shifted, and the only options were trem and ayia, and trem was much more likely, as a good portion of the game read him.
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"bussing from a cfd is so fucking common. after pkq claimed bg, options were trem, or nobody. and not lynching trem with the fucking mob that this game is, it's just going to lead you to death
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Addressing particular things slightly out of order:
1) "bussing from a cfd is so fucking common." - I definitely agree that if saw the vote count of yesterday on its own without the surrounding context and someone were to tell me "that 6-man wagon there has no maf on it" I would be QUITE skeptical. But this viewpoint is completely blind to any of the conversation surrounding this wagon as well as the other specific circumstances the wagon was built in. In particular, at no point of a switch from a player was it clear how the wagons would be resolved by DL. Every player swapped with the knowledge that their vote could EASILY be the deciding vote. Drawing on past games here is irrelevant unless you can provide an explanation that deals with these specific circumstances.
2) "pkq claimed a power role.
everyone shifted, and the only options were trem and ayia, and trem was much more likely, as a good portion of the game read him.
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"after pkq claimed bg, options were trem, or nobody."
I'm addressing these both at once because they boil down to the same idea. My problem with it is that it's completely wrong. "everyone shifted" is obviously hyperbole, because you and yash didn't shift. But I didn't have to shift either. Ayia didn't have to shift. Litt didn't have to shift. You and yash are LIVING PROOF that trem and ayia WERE NOT the only choices. ALL THREE OF US could have stayed on that pkq wagon, waiting for the timer to tick down, hoping that we claim our bg kill and save our scumbuddy. I'm agitated at the moment because you could have gotten both this counterpoint and the counterpoint for the previous point IF YOU HAD JUST READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS.
3) "and not lynching trem with the fucking mob that this game is, it's just going to lead you to death" - This is just false. Verifiably false. You and Yash are alive. I, and I suspect others lean town on yash. I don't even know where I place you right now, but you've got some town reads on you right now so I guess you can be happy about that. Staying on pkq until the timer runs out is only a death sentence if your explanation for it the next day is "yea, I saw the claim but I guess I wanted to kill him anyway". Given that your explanation for your absence is basically a mere single step above that, it's pretty clear that absolute minimum effort for an absence excuse is enough to get you off the poe of plenty of players.
This doesn't necessarily make you scum, but these arguments are complete rubbish. After thinking it through more thoroughly I think there are bus explanations that are at least possible, but do I think they are at all likely? No. Unfortunately you have provided none of these. You seem to have a deathly allergy for answering this question, so I will ask again, with even more specificity, FOR THE FINAL TIME:
LOOKING THROUGH THE EYES OF A SPECIFIC PLAYER OR PLAYERS WHO ENDED UP ON THE TREM WAGON, WHAT IS A POSSIBLE BUS RATIONALE THAT COULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE HEAD OF THIS MAFIA GOON AND/OR TRAITOR? WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION FOR, IN A TIME OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WAGON RESOLUTION AND A LACK OF CONSEQUENCE, VOTING FOR YOUR MAFIA GOON PARTNER INSTEAD OF THE GODDAMN BG? WHY IS THIS EXPLANATION THAT YOU HAVE HOPEFULLY PROVIDED AT ALL LIKELY AND NOT SIMPLY A TINFOIL THEORY? PLEASE ANSWER IN REFERENCE TO OUR PARTICULAR SITUATION AND NOT WITH A STATISTICAL ARGUMENT WHICH DRAWS ENTIRELY ON EVIDENCE FROM PAST GAMES. FURTHERMORE, WHY IS THIS PLAYER CURRENTLY THE MOST LIKELY IN THE GAME TO BE A MAFIA GOON AND/OR TRAITOR GIVEN THE CLEAR PRO-TOWN MOTIVE IN VOTING FOR THE MAFIA GOON OVER THE BG AND HOW WE HAVE NIGH-USELESS PLAYERS STILL LURKING AROUND?
For those who don't like caps (but I had to put the above emphasis on it to get you to actually respond):
Looking through the eyes of a specific player or players who ended up on the trem wagon, what is a possible bus rationale that could have gone through the head of this mafia goon and/or traitor? What is the explanation for, in a time of uncertainty about wagon resolution and a lack of consequence, voting for your mafia goon partner instead of the goddamn bg? Why is this explanation that you have hopefully provided at all likely and not simply a tinfoil theory? Please answer in reference to our particular situation and not with a statistical argument which draws entirely on evidence from past games. Furthermore, why is this player currently the most likely in the game to be a mafia goon and/or traitor given clear the pro-town motive in voting for the mafia goon over the bg and how we have nigh-useless players still lurking around?
(not talking about bgb)
Please excuse my sardonic tone, but I have completely lost my patience on this subject.
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Post by quojova on Jun 24, 2020 4:39:50 GMT
The bolded section was initially only 1 sentence so it didn't sound like I was shouting at the top of my lungs for a straight minute but I kept adding to it and eventually it got to be that way. Just ignore that part.
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Post by pkq on Jun 24, 2020 4:55:08 GMT
Ok guys I am sorry for my inactivity. Been going through some real-life fuckin shit and I am just trying to keep up. I am mostly up to date on what everyone is saying is just making my points is the problem and I want to make those points before the day ends. I will do my best later, but I can't make any promises. Also, can someone show me how to quote multiple people and tag them because I am still new to this.
And with that good night to all.
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Post by qtball on Jun 24, 2020 5:02:30 GMT
i dont see why myo doesnt have more lynches, her reactions have been terrible and her tone seems very ingenuine regurgitating exactly what ayia said. I said it was gonna happen. plus you've never played games with me previously so all you have to comment on my tone is and my reactions are what you think is acceptable, which is probably a really high standard. same goes for ayia. god I wish I was in game 1, this shit would've flown by because people in that game actually know and have played with me it flying in game 1 does not make your town You trying to explain what your own meta is and expecting us to abide by it is akin to scum saying something and then being like “this is what I do as town, x y z and know” |
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 5:03:08 GMT
Ok guys I am sorry for my inactivity. Been going through some real-life fuckin shit and I am just trying to keep up. I am mostly up to date on what everyone is saying is just making my points is the problem and I want to make those points before the day ends. I will do my best later, but I can't make any promises. Also, can someone show me how to quote multiple people and tag them because I am still new to this. And with that good night to all. select posts using the cog icon, then all selected posts will be there when you click reply. |
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Post by qtball on Jun 24, 2020 5:03:21 GMT
New town pool: quojova, Forever Joker, sceptorus
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 5:48:58 GMT
the plurshift unlike what quojava said felt to me like ayia wanted to be in the maj vote by the end of the day and it would look bad if he wasn't thats why I see ayia shifting; fos quojava for that train of logic because although none of it felt like too much of a bus, it felt like a lazy attempt to be in the majority on a scum lynch lieb, what are you doing? either you can't give much attention to the game, and haven't noticed what quo has been screaming whole D2: what is a valid reason maf would bus, when EVERY vote on trem had mattered. I myself didn't realise that trem got voted by 6ppl, things were moving that fast. the only possible bus there was by either quo, but that is also HIGHLY unlikely. this here is very tunnely towards ayia, its like you decided you were gonna push ayia and found a random reasoning for it, ignoring all their previous statements/the wall post which highly suggest ayia wasn't bussing. its just that this d1 flip gives town TOO much info, and scum would like to avoid it as much as possible. also this encourages me to think that the next lynch should be a lurker or someone who's promoting the bussing idea. the plurshift unlike what quojava said felt to me like ayia wanted to be in the maj vote by the end of the day and it would look bad if he wasn't thats why I see ayia shifting; fos quqojava for that train of logic because although none of it felt like too much of a bus, it felt like a lazy attempt to be in the majority on a scum lynch you're ignoring a whole day of casing trem atleast treat it with thoughtful reasoning rather than randomly throwing this half assed reason out. I really like this reply by litt, and his statements in general. I don't understand the sr on this slot one bit. being wishiwashi on a pkq lynch is not enough reason to sr this slot. I guess that's a fair point but I still don't think shifting off is inherently townie; it's just as easily scum shifting off to get towncred with an easy kill on the bodyguard at night My read on you is more about your shiftiness in terms of lynches yesterday and also the fact that you slipped under the radar yesterday. The early lynch is to prevent you from falling under the radar again while also demonstrating my suspicion On that note, can I have your reads? This conversation has gone on for a while now but I have to object to this. How is it "just as easily scum" when the price a maf has to pay for this shift is the pretty high possibility that their vote will kill their partner instead of a townie? Like I mentioned earlier, on the other hand the consequences for not shifting ended up being pretty tame (at least that's how it looks now). Every voter on the trem wagon had to have voted with the understanding that their individual actions would have a good chance of getting trem actually chopped. That does not come from a maf mentality. I agree with this, but further more, mafia REALLY doeent want to bus here. with a trem lynch, we get too many townie slots and more importantly it's (3+1)v11, traitor doesn't help much, and letting one partner go really hurts when there's two trackers on the go. lynch zestoflifeeasy lynch but i tr most of the talking players, which along with a relative (non goon) tr for arc/fj means I'm comfortable with lynching this slot to respond I can understand this as a reason to push litt, but again I totally can see where this is coming from. though I would like to see what their read on myo is not liking this easy zol wagon zol lynch seems v free given he's been afk but i think my main line of reasoning is this: he randed a lynch on sadwhal and was the only one on him by eod. would he really nk the person he was lynching? 1.hot take: lurkers are the hardest lynch. you dont have a read on them, and when you push them you just put yourself in a position to be pushed by other players(town or maf) on pushing an easy lynch. so in reality, you're just grabbing the limelight. 2.yes he would. I don't know how subbing in this game works, I have assumed that ppl will be subbed at EOD only if they have NO posts, or maybe beginning of next day if action/idle is not recieved. the way I see it, zol hasn't postedin this game, I don't count meme/filler as a post. as scum, he prolly did that so he could avoid being subbed, but we will have to see what he says. lieb's iso is so bad... on top of the terrible, hardly explained ayia vote from yesterday that he continues to do now, there's this gem in there: my reads have been all over the place in terms of locations of these posts and whatnot but this line from tremenon feels genuine, the fact that they r just going through whatever is on their mind feels like he has nothing to hide and is willing to work with town, TR on tremenon for now for that. It's not a lot to go off of, but judging by the noob vibes he is giving this feels like a good enough reason to tr someone as of now. I am still really looking for the answer to this question @ lieb : How likely do you think a bus from someone on the trem wagon is, and why? this is my primary sr because of this. I maybe missed it before, thanks for pointing it out. but the borderline nonsensical and tunnely posts by this slot really need more explanation. and as I said previously, scum is someone who's promoting the idea that someone bussed. reads time i guess pkq - uncced bg, yes. chad - basically questioning anything that he can get something out of, contributing to more important places compared to others going unneccesary places, which *cough cough*, we'll get to later. this is a townie. 98% sure about that. qtball - don't talk to but fr I still have major issues with TBZ's lynch on Ayia of d1, like it almost came off as having no logic what-so-ever and instead he just wanted to push Ayia with lien. he's done some good stuff, and some pretty crappy stuff, so yeah. a null read with a sliver of a scum lean ayia - this is lowkey just spiderz townplay. that's all. quojova - His credibility has slowly been decreasing overtime, thiugh that may also be in part to the overall activity boost this game experienced. While he still stands a strong town slot, he is starting to break down a little. litteleven - ok so with all this bussing stuff, I feel like Litt is the most likely candidate to have bussed out of "the three main suspects", as Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there. along with that, some of Litt's quotes have been quite questionable. Honestly, if this picks up as a lynch, I'm on board. He's actually most likely traitor if anything, but yeah. @yashgrenina - sigh. either scum, or town gem, his reads have been pretty alright, though his excuse about pkq seems too detailed and fabricated, I can't stand it. leaning scum, but possible the other way around. ZestOfLife - lol. idk what you want me to say. low poster. this is so null to the point where the only reason he's scum is poe lieb - low poster, pushed ayia for something everyone else townreads him as. (i wrote this next part when i woke up) started giving more creative reasoning, and is actually somewhat worth listening to, despite it not really changing my read. overall this is still town, just like the same argument for ayia being town really. Schrodinger - ok this is pretty obviously town do I really need to explain myself. - this is where i fell asleep - bluegummybear - hi bgb. post more so i can read you. poe says you're scum but I may just be wrong so if you wanna prove me wrong you should do that. foreverjoker - this is town, just a really unknowledgable one. hopefully this is the general agreement and we can just like not lynch him. scum reads: tbz, yash, litt, zol, bgb town reads: basically everyone else conftown: pkq on the lieb line, I do not tr ayia for shifting to trem, that was really the only choice for them(as both scum and town). I tr ayia for genuine pushes and being genuine as a whole. also I feel this list is a bit off idk why. I can see the other shorter ranting posts being from town but this hurts, and I can't point a finger on it. Well my bad for wanting to thoroughly explain my side of things. All of a sudden, I'm scum for it -_- it just comes out so forced and unneccesary. it is necessary when they are being pushed for it hello? For some of these I actually agree with qtball ngl. I'm going to post this for the third time today but it still stands and hasn't been addressed by your post in a satisfactory way: "I am going to have a hard time buying into any wagon for a player that voted for trem if the argument for it doesn't start with something like "this is the mafia rationale behind bussing here", preferably also followed by why this is not only possible but probable. " "Litt would have easily been able to get away with bussing there." is something you really have to explain, not just say. "He's actually most likely traitor if anything" also makes no sense to me you have to actually work through the logic on this. I don't know if I'm speaking for everyone who thinks Litt is a plausible lynch/SR, but regarding your wanting of a proper explanation as to why Litt probably bussed: unlynch lifesucc lynch forever jokerflunked my vote earlier "Well for starters its just a day 1 read. It could change later on but I think mafia could of kept their mouth shut easily. Like they could of tried to gain plurality later on without revealing their plan. Litteleven could be mafia but right now I'm just guessing You looked into a slight read too much tbh" - forever joker earlier i can't buy dropping a read as soon as people look into the smallest of implications as something town would openly do. it's not even reverting their read more so as distancing themselves from their actions, plus i'm not a fan of the narwhal wagon given both they and the people lynching them aren't really doing anything in game to justify their stance on the lynch Instance #1 of a weak D1 from Litt. They at some point lynched two really strong town reads (I think most people would agree) in lifesucc and FJ, so their head ain't straight. um so I agree that most of what I stated was already stated and I was a good RVs at that point, so theres that. fj was also a good lynch for pressure. this argument is based too much on the fact that litt knew what the two slots were going to flip. also, litt pointed out that fj could have softed traitor. why would scum point that out? why would scum push their traitor?Instance #2: That huge ass strategy post that could've easily been coerced by the Mafia faction. People gave more credit than he deserved for it and I'm not gonna stand for it can we stop reading into it lmao it was just a convo starting d1 thing there's so much more to look into them than thatayia please claim, I'm declaring intent shift to you given I can't find a conceivable reason for you to lynch pkq other than to use my town vote as a set up to cw Instance #3: Trying to force a D1 claim out of a strong town for lynching PKQ of all people, and keep in mind this happened way before PKQ claimed BG. you're sayin it like litt knew pkq was by lmao get better arguments pleasei think the play is trem too but i believe there was something good happening with the ayia lynch I don't think they deserve the lynch as much as some other people but it's my gut read that they're more likely to be scum in this scenario Instance #4: Rather than actually playing by his beliefs, he's trying to play by the beliefs and ideals of most people in the game to appeal to them. How are you just gonna say Trem is a better lynch than Ayia when you don't SR Trem but you DO SR Ayia? This instance of scummy gameplay can be brought down in terms of credibility since Trem flipped scum, but I'm 95% sure that wasn't any of Litt's intention when shifting off of their actual scumreads and jumping on a wagon. This goes back to my post in response to arc's scumpool where I agreed that Litt probably bussed because a 6 wagon on scum is bound to have at LEAST one scum on it. I have an argument against this I would like to see litt's reaction first here
Ironically after typing all of this, I find it more of a possibility that Litt is scum in comparison to ZoL just being dumb and not actually PLAYING THE GAME. unlynch zestoflife, lynch Litt.
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 24, 2020 5:49:34 GMT
wow that was long and wow that brown is terrible
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 24, 2020 6:13:47 GMT
I don't know if I'm speaking for everyone who thinks Litt is a plausible lynch/SR, but regarding your wanting of a proper explanation as to why Litt probably bussed: Instance #1 of a weak D1 from Litt. They at some point lynched two really strong town reads (I think most people would agree) in lifesucc and FJ, so their head ain't straight. um so I agree that most of what I stated was already stated and I was a good RVs at that point, so theres that. fj was also a good lynch for pressure. this argument is based too much on the fact that litt knew what the two slots were going to flip. also, litt pointed out that fj could have softed traitor. why would scum point that out? why would scum push their traitor?
are we about to assume that FJ's intention was in any way to soft traitor of all things? unless I'm misunderstanding what ur saying, that makes no sense to meInstance #2: That huge ass strategy post that could've easily been coerced by the Mafia faction. People gave more credit than he deserved for it and I'm not gonna stand for it can we stop reading into it lmao it was just a convo starting d1 thing there's so much more to look into them than that
ok ill stopInstance #3: Trying to force a D1 claim out of a strong town for lynching PKQ of all people, and keep in mind this happened way before PKQ claimed BG. you're sayin it like litt knew pkq was by lmao get better arguments pleaseFor more context, Litt wanted Ayia to claim bc Ayia was lynching PKQ, and this was before any of us knew PKQ was BG. Not that its relevant, but lynching PKQ had more significance (?) before he claimed, but doing that was not worthy of a claim from anyone, which is why Litt became more suspicious to me.Instance #4: Rather than actually playing by his beliefs, he's trying to play by the beliefs and ideals of most people in the game to appeal to them. How are you just gonna say Trem is a better lynch than Ayia when you don't SR Trem but you DO SR Ayia? This instance of scummy gameplay can be brought down in terms of credibility since Trem flipped scum, but I'm 95% sure that wasn't any of Litt's intention when shifting off of their actual scumreads and jumping on a wagon. This goes back to my post in response to arc's scumpool where I agreed that Litt probably bussed because a 6 wagon on scum is bound to have at LEAST one scum on it. I have an argument against this I would like to see litt's reaction first here
Ironically after typing all of this, I find it more of a possibility that Litt is scum in comparison to ZoL just being dumb and not actually PLAYING THE GAME. unlynch zestoflife, lynch Litt.
litt defense time: response in brown Yash responses to ur responses in green |
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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 24, 2020 6:14:52 GMT
"Yash responses to ur responses in green" was supposed to be outside of the quote box, mb
im going to bed, ill try to respond to whatever i can once I wake up tmrw
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Nice to see you though, hope to see you in more future events in Survivor as well!
Good night all!
