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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:11:26 GMT
I think litteleven is town. Why would mafia say that? I also slightly tr them at this point, but if the post you are referring to is this one (I haven't figured out how to quote multiple times yet): "Further, would like to reiterate that this game is unwinnable without activity / proper wagon formation, scum can somewhat easily enforce plurality and its 3 mislynches before a lylo. There's also quite good odds of lynching scum and vote history helps a lot down the line if you're town. Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads." I think it's quite possible that a maf sees the dead air and also sees the opportunity to post widely accepted mafia strategy to gain trs. Maybe it makes your partners a bit more likely to be lynched, but if it makes you significantly less likely to be lynched it's very worth it. It's still a slight tr from me but I suspect it's to a much lesser degree than you currently think from your wording. I would like to see elaboration on your post here, although it's not even clear to me which post from litteleven you were referring to. yes this this is what my brain was thinking thank you for thinking for me |
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:13:07 GMT
yknow after playing one day on MU I'm surprised to have not seen another page pop up. is this gonna be one of those dead forum games where we essentially randvote and pray, or are we going to get actual discussion? depends on how fast we get inactivity subs i'm honestly glad I have a slower paced game since the MU game I subbed into has an endless amount of posts |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2020 16:13:42 GMT
doing a read list with posts as of star's response to pkq in hopes that it generates discussion or useful connections for the future I refuse to do null reads, which means that most of these are very very slight (ordered within tiers) TT star generating useful discussion, and I've agreed with a lot of the points they've made so far. lifesucc the "turbo" thing is aggressively suspicious, and it feels like a TWTBAW kinda thing to me. T litt has had generally helpful posts, although as seen from my above post I think posting widely accepted mafia strategy is not really that townie ayia very slight read here, but he started the game and got ZoL off of chad for a meme reason, which looks townie to me pkq ok I said I wouldn't be doing null reads but his only post is like 99% NAI. I'm putting him here for now because theoretically he could have asked mafia chat instead. M ZoL pretty slight here too, but was pushed off of chad suspiciously easily and also cast a safety vote on the first slot, which weakens any slight wifomy analysis we could get out of it because instead of looking at the player list and picking a player he just decided on the first slot. Not sure how cohesive a thought this is, if it makes no sense I can elaborate. MM joker sus on this slot for reasons stated in my above post Zol is likely just not taking this seriously, or he's really just taking Ayia's word that Chad is good at the game, which either way doesn't give off too many negative vibes. So really I'd move those two to a neutral read position simply because there's nothing indicative of their alignment with their minimal posts, but I do expect more from them to come. I really want to give Joker the first time pass, but I'm extremely hesitant to ad the point you brought up was a good one, though his low-effort posts could be traced back to the fact that this is his first Forum Game to my knowledge. PKQ - I don't see how you got this read at all. He asked a question on something unrelated to the game, and then said he'd be more active later, essentially admitting that he's going to be low-posting. Apart from that, I can understand your reasonings to your reads, and for the most part, they have ground to stand on. The ZoL/ayia and especially pkq reads were my smallest to begin with, and for the most part I ranked them just out of a stubbornness to not have null reads, because I wanted to make the post as substance-dense as I could (I'm now questioning this philosophy). The pkq read was so minuscule that I'm just going to go back on my read and say that's null, I just thought of the first thing that might be AI and put it down. I'm going to keep my reads on Zol/ayia with the persistent note that these are really small reads and could easily change in either direction from their next post. With Joker I'm hoping that his next post will elucidate his thought process because it's honestly just really hard to tell what he meant from that one post. I think we would agree that every slot in the game is still pretty close to 4/15 odds for scum, so I would look for a bit more suspicious activity on any of my scumreads before strongly pursuing a lynch. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:15:40 GMT
I think litteleven is town. Why would mafia say that? also this is literally the weakest read I've ever seen. There's a lot of reasons to say the things Litt said. Any drive town has to say something, mafia has an equal, alternative drive to say that same thing- to gain trust. I'm not saying you shouldn't note that what Litt said was helpful- it truly did raise a good point, Scept just did something stupid and got called out on it. But reading Litt as town based off of something so loose, plus so little explanation... it just looks like you're trying to hide behind Litt as if he's your shield. I agree with you to an extent but also that last line is almost too far? You're reading way too much into this post; it's literally 1 line (albeit an idiotic one) also your post isn't great tonally either but I'd rather see more before I solidify any sort of read on you |
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:19:05 GMT
doing a read list with posts as of star's response to pkq in hopes that it generates discussion or useful connections for the future I refuse to do null reads, which means that most of these are very very slight (ordered within tiers) TT star generating useful discussion, and I've agreed with a lot of the points they've made so far. lifesucc the "turbo" thing is aggressively suspicious, and it feels like a TWTBAW kinda thing to me. T litt has had generally helpful posts, although as seen from my above post I think posting widely accepted mafia strategy is not really that townie ayia very slight read here, but he started the game and got ZoL off of chad for a meme reason, which looks townie to me pkq ok I said I wouldn't be doing null reads but his only post is like 99% NAI. I'm putting him here for now because theoretically he could have asked mafia chat instead. M ZoL pretty slight here too, but was pushed off of chad suspiciously easily and also cast a safety vote on the first slot, which weakens any slight wifomy analysis we could get out of it because instead of looking at the player list and picking a player he just decided on the first slot. Not sure how cohesive a thought this is, if it makes no sense I can elaborate. MM joker sus on this slot for reasons stated in my above post what above post are you talking about I don't see it |
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:21:27 GMT
also this is literally the weakest read I've ever seen. There's a lot of reasons to say the things Litt said. Any drive town has to say something, mafia has an equal, alternative drive to say that same thing- to gain trust. I'm not saying you shouldn't note that what Litt said was helpful- it truly did raise a good point, Scept just did something stupid and got called out on it. But reading Litt as town based off of something so loose, plus so little explanation... it just looks like you're trying to hide behind Litt as if he's your shield. I agree with you to an extent but also that last line is almost too far? You're reading way too much into this post; it's literally 1 line (albeit an idiotic one) also your post isn't great tonally either but I'd rather see more before I solidify any sort of read on you honestly fair. also I'm literally in the same mu game as you on the same team 👁👄👁 |
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:22:17 GMT
doing a read list with posts as of star's response to pkq in hopes that it generates discussion or useful connections for the future I refuse to do null reads, which means that most of these are very very slight (ordered within tiers) TT star generating useful discussion, and I've agreed with a lot of the points they've made so far. lifesucc the "turbo" thing is aggressively suspicious, and it feels like a TWTBAW kinda thing to me. T litt has had generally helpful posts, although as seen from my above post I think posting widely accepted mafia strategy is not really that townie ayia very slight read here, but he started the game and got ZoL off of chad for a meme reason, which looks townie to me pkq ok I said I wouldn't be doing null reads but his only post is like 99% NAI. I'm putting him here for now because theoretically he could have asked mafia chat instead. M ZoL pretty slight here too, but was pushed off of chad suspiciously easily and also cast a safety vote on the first slot, which weakens any slight wifomy analysis we could get out of it because instead of looking at the player list and picking a player he just decided on the first slot. Not sure how cohesive a thought this is, if it makes no sense I can elaborate. MM joker sus on this slot for reasons stated in my above post what above post are you talking about I don't see it when pkq asked how to bold and I pinged him with FTF saying to please bold. on pg 2, near the top. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:22:46 GMT
oh, looking back on Litt's post has also made me realize that he's essentially trying to get players who aren't as good at reading to just sheep those who are trying, which honestly. Disturbs me a lot, personally. He's basically telling the players actually reading to be super careful as they have lots of power, but then those who aren't can just sheep their asses off until they find the right wrangler for them. This honestly is putting me off a lot, but because this is still in rhe earlier phases, I'll give it a pass and let Litt explain himself. Again another instance of you're making scumreads out of really NAI single liners?? like that's not even close to what he was saying at all and you're trying to extrapolate meaning where there is none |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2020 16:22:49 GMT
doing a read list with posts as of star's response to pkq in hopes that it generates discussion or useful connections for the future I refuse to do null reads, which means that most of these are very very slight (ordered within tiers) TT star generating useful discussion, and I've agreed with a lot of the points they've made so far. lifesucc the "turbo" thing is aggressively suspicious, and it feels like a TWTBAW kinda thing to me. T litt has had generally helpful posts, although as seen from my above post I think posting widely accepted mafia strategy is not really that townie ayia very slight read here, but he started the game and got ZoL off of chad for a meme reason, which looks townie to me pkq ok I said I wouldn't be doing null reads but his only post is like 99% NAI. I'm putting him here for now because theoretically he could have asked mafia chat instead. M ZoL pretty slight here too, but was pushed off of chad suspiciously easily and also cast a safety vote on the first slot, which weakens any slight wifomy analysis we could get out of it because instead of looking at the player list and picking a player he just decided on the first slot. Not sure how cohesive a thought this is, if it makes no sense I can elaborate. MM joker sus on this slot for reasons stated in my above post what above post are you talking about I don't see it I just meant the post I made before that one about joker's questionable read, not actually immediately above that one. |
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:25:07 GMT
eye think that the whole game agrees, repeating it is just unneeded. kek I react to posts in order so I didn't see other posts commenting on it and I was gonna make a snide joke about how you and quojova aren't the whole game but honestly with this level of activity you pretty much are LMAO |
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:25:16 GMT
oh, looking back on Litt's post has also made me realize that he's essentially trying to get players who aren't as good at reading to just sheep those who are trying, which honestly. Disturbs me a lot, personally. He's basically telling the players actually reading to be super careful as they have lots of power, but then those who aren't can just sheep their asses off until they find the right wrangler for them. This honestly is putting me off a lot, but because this is still in rhe earlier phases, I'll give it a pass and let Litt explain himself. Again another instance of you're making scumreads out of really NAI single liners?? like that's not even close to what he was saying at all and you're trying to extrapolate meaning where there is none well ig I just don't see what else it really means. But hey, maybe I'm reading too much. Maybe it's just some stupid one-off line telling people they need to vote, or smth. |
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 20, 2020 16:25:38 GMT
oh, looking back on Litt's post has also made me realize that he's essentially trying to get players who aren't as good at reading to just sheep those who are trying, which honestly. Disturbs me a lot, personally. He's basically telling the players actually reading to be super careful as they have lots of power, but then those who aren't can just sheep their asses off until they find the right wrangler for them. This honestly is putting me off a lot, but because this is still in rhe earlier phases, I'll give it a pass and let Litt explain himself. yo did we read the same post? they were essentially saying we should be active and lynch, basically play properly. I think there's no more to read into it. |
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:26:00 GMT
eye think that the whole game agrees, repeating it is just unneeded. kek I react to posts in order so I didn't see other posts commenting on it and I was gonna make a snide joke about how you and quojova aren't the whole game but honestly with this level of activity you pretty much are LMAO ani put the rest of the game on the electric chair |
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:27:01 GMT
oh, looking back on Litt's post has also made me realize that he's essentially trying to get players who aren't as good at reading to just sheep those who are trying, which honestly. Disturbs me a lot, personally. He's basically telling the players actually reading to be super careful as they have lots of power, but then those who aren't can just sheep their asses off until they find the right wrangler for them. This honestly is putting me off a lot, but because this is still in rhe earlier phases, I'll give it a pass and let Litt explain himself. yo did we read the same post? they were essentially saying we should be active and lynch, basically play properly. I think there's no more to read into it. a lot of what I said revolves around the final line of that post "Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads." |
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:29:07 GMT
sorry I'll start multiquoting so y'all don't have to see my 50 reaction posts
I was lazy
anyway, my strongest townread right now is quojova just because he said exactly what I was thinking in response to the joker post
my strongest scumread right now is driftaway for reasons stated prior (unnecessarily extrapolating info) and also tonally he comes off weird
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:32:08 GMT
sorry I'll start multiquoting so y'all don't have to see my 50 reaction posts I was lazy anyway, my strongest townread right now is quojova just because he said exactly what I was thinking in response to the joker post my strongest scumread right now is driftaway for reasons stated prior (unnecessarily extrapolating info) and also tonally he comes off weird he ;-; ayia it's literally me arc |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2020 16:32:47 GMT
yo did we read the same post? they were essentially saying we should be active and lynch, basically play properly. I think there's no more to read into it. a lot of what I said revolves around the final line of that post "Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads." I seriously doubt that line is scum-indicative. I mean for it to come from the place of a maf trying to act maliciously these things would need to be true: 1) Litt thinks that the game philosophy she posted is literally anti-town 2) Litt thinks that this anti-town game philosophy will be readily adopted by players after that one post 3) Litt thinks that no townie will call him out on this game philosophy that is literally anti-town. OR, more reasonably: 1) Litt thinks that this game philosophy is pro-town |
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:35:47 GMT
sorry I'll start multiquoting so y'all don't have to see my 50 reaction posts I was lazy anyway, my strongest townread right now is quojova just because he said exactly what I was thinking in response to the joker post my strongest scumread right now is driftaway for reasons stated prior (unnecessarily extrapolating info) and also tonally he comes off weird he ;-; ayia it's literally me arc LMAOOOOO okay that makes sense wow bias is definitely a thing, suddenly I townread you more ig the read still stands  |
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:35:54 GMT
a lot of what I said revolves around the final line of that post "Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads." I seriously doubt that line is scum-indicative. I mean for it to come from the place of a maf trying to act maliciously these things would need to be true: 1) Litt thinks that the game philosophy she posted is literally anti-town 2) Litt thinks that this anti-town game philosophy will be readily adopted by players after that one post 3) Litt thinks that no townie will call him out on this game philosophy that is literally anti-town. OR, more reasonably: 1) Litt thinks that this game philosophy is pro-town fair ig. honestly it just really puts me off, not as Litt is scum but as that line isn't helpful at all. I've said lines like that too many times to count in my months of mafia. one thing I really don't like is Ayia completely disregarding my attempts to explain myself but who knows maybe he's just being stubborn. |
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:36:45 GMT
he ;-; ayia it's literally me arc LMAOOOOO okay that makes sense wow bias is definitely a thing, suddenly I townread you more ig the read still stands i mean it's fair to scumread me, but like i think the aggressive part is literally just a me thing, but I do understand why you read me for overanalyzing. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 20, 2020 16:37:57 GMT
also I'm sorry to Litt for referring to him/her with two different pronouns in the same post lol
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Post by foreverjoker on Jun 20, 2020 16:40:47 GMT
Well for starters its just a day 1 read.
It could change later on but I think mafia could of kept their mouth shut easily.
Like they could of tried to gain plurality later on without revealing their plan.
Litteleven could be mafia but right now I'm just guessing
You looked into a slight read too much tbh
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:41:56 GMT
a lot of what I said revolves around the final line of that post "Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads." I seriously doubt that line is scum-indicative. I mean for it to come from the place of a maf trying to act maliciously these things would need to be true: 1) Litt thinks that the game philosophy she posted is literally anti-town 2) Litt thinks that this anti-town game philosophy will be readily adopted by players after that one post 3) Litt thinks that no townie will call him out on this game philosophy that is literally anti-town. OR, more reasonably: 1) Litt thinks that this game philosophy is pro-town i love this |
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Post by ayia on Jun 20, 2020 16:44:09 GMT
yo did we read the same post? they were essentially saying we should be active and lynch, basically play properly. I think there's no more to read into it. a lot of what I said revolves around the final line of that post "Please commit to a vote even if you have absolutely no reads." read quojova's post on Litt's post but even so that's a good philosophy tbh |
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Post by myo! on Jun 20, 2020 16:45:03 GMT
i wanna say that i don't think litt is scum but i don't think that sole post is a reason to townread, or even townlean him. Litt is still a null right now for that line that was just so off-putting, even though there may have been good intentions behind it. This goes to both foreverjoker and quojova |
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