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Post by cyan on Jul 26, 2022 0:07:03 GMT
so here's my end thoughts, i suppose
- nothing on om/zach/lunar/john, but it's kinda weird that they're all the same breed of passive
- - - lunar gets singled out for having no real contribution this game
- the pkq wagon is being pushed with a surprising amount of seriousness, and i still fail to see why half of its advocates stand where they do
- - - this is doubly atrocious in the case of ddlc, who appears to be on it for the sole reason of "martin's wagon is bad"
- somehow i feel like dkkoba is playing off of textbook assumptions? like everything about leader vs. follower, "you townread the afk", etc. tells me they're working off of a set list of precepts (and putting effort into it) and i think that's a town tell
- with martin here and showing intent to speak i can finally move onto the one person who feels the most off with their push on him
Unvote martinvtran
Vote xdrudi
because lurkervotes are cheap and you were in on this one for reasons that weren't "i voted them early game and haven't found a reason to get off" or "noc 1 game 2 emotionally devastated me and i want closure"
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 23:59:06 GMT
If someone says something that mostly helps town and i agree to it i don't see how you could think i was pocketing them If multiple agree and try to do something more is the chance others will follow again, my issue with you isn't how quickly you agreed, but how unfleshed the idea was when you agreed to it. Also if your still adamant about the pocket read, Multiple people have agreed to it and so why am I the special case, you might say fort might hadn't expanded more on their 'tactic' then vs now but the base idea is still the same I dont see how me agreeing to hypoing early on is different than agreeing on a tactic the entire pocketing idea was basically considering whether or not your assent of the hypo tactic could be scum trying to gain favour with fort. that being said, you've already established indirectly that nothing here is being done for cred so we can drop this argument
although all of this honestly comes off as a tad defensiveIf you speak of chess ,finding a tactic and seeing it helps to get a better position then multiple people will play it you called it a "good strategy" but this just might be a language barrier thingMore of my reasoning on that agreeing has already been given in my previous posts so please reread them i do agree that this discussion is neither here nor there so let's just move on as another member of NOC 1 Game 2 I can say the following: first off, it is incredibly refreshing not having to read 5+ pages of just pure shitposting second, we need to get martin to speak because they were as good as useless in NOC 1 Game 2. unvote mighty, vote martin
Cuz this is a awful fucking take tbh. And doesn’t come from a super towny mindset. Your saying you can’t find anything else interesting to point out rn? You just pick afk cuz they also didn’t play before? This slot kinda seems like degenerate town but like who knows scum prob on Martin rn if you see someone being an asshat twice in a row, you're going to want them out as soon as possible. like to me the fervency of how you shut down everyone who's pushed or advocated for a martin vote feels like you siding with someone getting picked on without knowing who that someone is and if it looks like i'm shitting on martin for being a malicious lurker, then your eyes are perfectly healthy Nothing gets by me, just because you didnt say it directly doesnt mean yiu didn't imply it. yeah uh well that's not how reading between the lines generally works For me, killing r1 just seems super random, like we kill ppl before anything happend. But we have to and so I feel like killing the "afks" r1 just seems like the easiest way to prevent Killing someone that will be useful later in the game atrocious justification of why we policy lurkers d1, but at least it's consistent??? on the other hand, we've already got some content generated courtesy of dkkoba so i'd like to see you up your game I actually genuinely feel like PKQ is not as towny as they were last time I played with them and thats why i dumped a vote there, I'm home from work rn and can do some srs work because i was busy recovering from heat exhaustion over the weekend. i mean, dude's made like 3/4ths of a post by the time you said this? someone give me the pmeta doc rq ddlc can you talk to me why you townread martin? I'm going to give them a genuine scan over now, but your defense of them is pretty notable. I think it leans town in an environment where scum have just 1 teammate, esp if martin flips town. +1 to this, actually; it's more common in my experience for scum to bus an inactive/widely scumread partner (or at least it is in this playerbase) than to try to fix a sinking ship i think 4 to look at especially hard is: PKQ/Cyan/Jeff/erry two of those names have literally not said a single word?  ? |
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 13:36:12 GMT
I am going to point the Finger of Suspicion™ at mymemoryisbad for this incredibly lazy push on the afk here. While I do not like people lurking all game (like what happened in noc game 1) this is still a very easy way for scum to wagon on someone the rest of town wants out of the game without having to make their own reads. unvote PKQ, vote MMIB So u townread the afk? How come? i'll just let this speak for itself  |
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 12:22:28 GMT
Just like in the first noc I received the first vote. Mom, I finally get recognized. As far as I have seen martinvtran is the only one who hasnt posted yet. So until then I'm voting them. vote martinvtran in retrospect, though, i don't like how this lurkervote statement was made without the sense of irony the rest of us sheep injected into ours like xdrudi genuinely believes martinvtran to be an intentional anti-town player, i mean |
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 12:19:17 GMT
"good strategy" like no offense to fort but that's literally just an argument in favour of hypoing plus a mini-guide on how to do it you're either pocketing or not thinking super hard and you're a little lucky that my impression of you favours the latter possibility by a long stretch I am afraid obvious things are to be agreed on because some people might not considering the number of games i have played this is apparent If an idea is presented before its executed its likelier more people follow it even though it might be obvious to most I am afraid thats what you couldn't realise and thats why suspect me of pocketing I dont see how agreeing on hypoing with someone could point to pocketing so i would like to have your opinion on that i'm not saying that fort's suggestion was an obvious move. i'm actually perfectly fine with saying it isn't. i'm saying that it doesn't count towards being a strategy you play chess, you should know the difference between strategies and tactics (which is what fort's current suggestion falls under) but my deal here is that you made a post specifically saying fort had a good [insert term here] in response to the first post in which fort suggested hypoing. at the time of you making your post, fort had not expanded on the tactical idea with the extra "claim no result on even minutes" stuff, nor did he start any discussion around avoiding scum getting confs out of their roleblockers. since you asked about the buddying bit, fort literally made a post saying "we should hypo" in a more exotic and sensible way than most and you quickly jumped on to call it a "good strategy", which could either be you misunderstanding what game strategies generally entail or you trying to win fort over |
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 12:12:30 GMT
so plur is on mighty n all but im down to shift to martin cuz i dont want that dude being afk until mylo and being useless I am going to point the Finger of Suspicion™ at mymemoryisbad for this incredibly lazy push on the afk here. While I do not like people lurking all game (like what happened in noc game 1) this is still a very easy way for scum to wagon on someone the rest of town wants out of the game without having to make their own reads. unvote PKQ, vote MMIB 9 times out of 10 i would've agreed with you on this, but this is one of those 1s if you need context, go over to noc 1 game 2 day 4-5, and read through the slogs of text debating whether or not martin was a good lurkpush. they were present and sending in idles, but never spoke a lick the motherfucker liked a post in d5 and that instantly sent half the game into an "auuuuUGH" |
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 7:42:05 GMT
anyway uh obligatory +1 for fort for suggesting hypos
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 7:39:35 GMT
reading back up. question tho. what will happen if i don't prepare my own contraceptives? you won't have the peace of mind of knowing that they're bulletproof, i suppose. we could get into the specific dynamics of how stealthing happens and whether or not one gender should be more wary of it than another but come on, man that's too complicated for this PL Also how you know that I'm single The slander really is wild anyone who speaks of their sex life with that level of caution doesn't have the reassurance of a loving partner. this isn't child's play. |
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 1:56:04 GMT
until mighty comes in and tries to address the wagon this push is going to go nowhere and it's on a slot that doesn't really have anything going for it other than an interaction with PKQ
i'm going to give credit to ddlc inadvertently pushing for the partnership
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Post by cyan on Jul 25, 2022 1:14:51 GMT
naur man that guy spent all of NOC 1 Game 2 being afk and did nothing about it when they got called out if this is true then i want this slot voted today. This has the potential to be an amazing playerlist and I don't want it to be a constant push/question mark about policying the afk. Can we just get this over with day 1? we certainly can. Unvote PKQVote martinvtran(kinda wanna keep PKQ and mightycannon in mind given the earlier chainsaw) I just thought of a possible psuedorandom distribution as well. Check the time at some point while making your hypo post, if the minute is even then pretend to be roleblocked, if the minute is odd then pretend not to be. Obviously cop/seer make sure to check the time to follow this rule as well things that can screw this up: - server lag - human error - human error (twice) though all things considered, the real problem with any hypoing strat in a PL with roleblockers is if the RB targets someone who claims a hypoed inspect, that person is automatically not cop/seer oh shit lunar is playing nice he's town too this is our first real read on the day and it's being placed on a 14 year old single boy who insists on giving sex life advice to a playerlist of high schoolers and adults we might not be having fun today boys |
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Post by cyan on Jul 24, 2022 14:18:16 GMT
I think mechanically it would make sense for everyone to claim bloodhound with town/nottown results, so that maf/ww can't instantly see fakes. I'm not quite sure how to handle roleblockers yet. Maybe a third of the playerlist arbitrarily claims to be roleblocked and provide a hypothetical result anyways? (e.g. "I investigated fort and got no result (town)") when cop is revealed you can treat their "no result"s as no result, for everyone else it doesn't matter. Good strategy I dont see why people are voting pkq when they are about to go afk Vote cyan talon"good strategy" like no offense to fort but that's literally just an argument in favour of hypoing plus a mini-guide on how to do it you're either pocketing or not thinking super hard and you're a little lucky that my impression of you favours the latter possibility by a long stretch |
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Post by cyan on Jul 24, 2022 14:16:00 GMT
vote martinvtrantalk, new face naur man that guy spent all of NOC 1 Game 2 being afk and did nothing about it when they got called out Don't fumble the bag and always remember to prepare your own contraceptives never take a condom from a woman I got deny from a female who said I was 10/10 on attractiveness. I give up on life. Also be more on this tomorrow. i wasn't expecting Straight Men On Discord conversations in my mafia game and i think we all should watch these specimens |
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Post by cyan on Jul 24, 2022 6:43:54 GMT
It is now Day 1. Hammer: 8
Deadline: 10 PM est, July 25th
PL:
1. dkkoba
2. erry
3. FortColors
4. pkq
5. ddlcfan69
6. zachattack01
7. xdrudi
8. mightycannon
9. martinvtran
10. mymemoryisbad
11. john76
12. Cyan Talon
13. lunarmob
14. OM~!
15. bubidajeffery gary secretly hates dark mode and is pushing his agenda howdy vote mightycannon your name's the funniest which is a low bar to reach cause everyone's name in here is kinda mid also how tf is "zackattack01" commenting on people's names omegalul go on, FortColors. anyway uh let's start this game properly Vote PKQ lives can wait |
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Post by cyan on Jul 18, 2022 13:15:14 GMT
in why not
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Post by cyan on Jul 18, 2022 1:34:02 GMT
my thoughts on the cyan v mmib thing happening rn is that it’s one scum vs a town, currently still leaning towards cyan as the baddie for previously stated reasons and their complete 180 flip from townreading mmib to death scum tunneling them. not sure if they’ve fully explained what made them tr in the first place yet but ig I’ll go back and try to find something tone looked good but d1 votes told a very different story |
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Post by cyan on Jul 18, 2022 1:32:26 GMT
also i'mma call out snap for their hyperfocus on om
also also snap please tell me what you think of mmib? does their shift off of sylv late in d1 not raise questions for you?
also also also none of these questions are going to go through because i think snap is just dead set on getting me out and nothing i do will change that
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Post by cyan on Jul 18, 2022 1:30:55 GMT
im not really able to comprehend most of cyan's shit right now. I really don't know how to describe them, and the reason why i havent been able to be as active as i was once were was because i have actually started touching grassbut im not actually done there is no way this is true absolutely no way since discussion is a necessary thing here, though mymemoryisbad i want you to recount your reasons for voting both sylv and chaos d1, and why you decided to vote chaos instead of sylv at the end what information do you get from mmib by asking this question i dunno, how else am i going to approach this angle |
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Post by cyan on Jul 17, 2022 15:02:44 GMT
every answer i get from mmib just raises more questions at this point
Unvote martinvtran, vote mymemoryisbad
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Post by cyan on Jul 17, 2022 15:01:21 GMT
unvote cyan, vote spore i think the case against spore is stronger and a little more developed than the case on cyan. while i'm not a super big fan of the way that cyan responded, we have more time to talk about it. also snapa is being dumb and not active so i feel as though the push on cyan isn't as strong as it could be i'm still of the belief that 1 (at this point probably 2) people on the chaos vote are scum and spore has had the weakest reasoning for voting chaos out out of the three. things get weird if i'm wrong and spore flips town "also snapa is being dumb and not active so i feel as though the push on cyan isn't as strong as it could be" ok so snapa did start the cyan wagon/votes iirc, but that line makes it feel like you need his input on whether or not to vote cyan?? like persuading exists i get it but you made it seem like snapas case was the crucial point in you deciding whether you should vote cyan or not well, yes? if a wagon you were leading consists of supporters that look scummy that is usually a bad sign? this post rubs me wrong... i like theres a difference between tring somebody and then just never wanting them to be sussed... like "I don't wanna sus them out, I just want them to stop fangirling over OM. . ." sounds like you hate the fact that theyre getting sussed and trying to put up an excuse for it. then you literally give reasoning as to why people should sus them or at the very least question them. my trs on both zach and snapa are going down a bit i wasn't sussing them out at all. I was frustrated because some of my case on cyan relied on snap's reads from d2/3. Instead of helping town come together and vote someone out, they instead just decide to be like omg OM is here uwu and other cringe shit that wasn't actually helping the game. i wanted to try and turn my frustration into pressure to try and get snap to talk. it worked cause snap quoted some of the post he made about cyan later on i want to push the snap angle a little more here, especially because making a case on someone and dropping it cold turkey is anti-play (i.e. it doesn't help snap regardless of alignment) it could very well be a case of lost motivation but that tone would clash with the entire "OM is here omg" spiel but i'm going to deathtunnel mmib here because the immediate jump onto losing trust in zach and snapa comes off as more like an attempted misportrayal than a genuine read on zach's tone. the mini-case, in its entirety, is "zach feels conflicted about their townread's play quality taking a nosedive, but doesn't want to get rid of the townread, and that means zach and snap are partners" i think that's mental gymnastics |
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Post by cyan on Jul 17, 2022 14:53:32 GMT
when i said im gonna die i did not mean in game or any shit like that, i meant like metaphorically im gonna die bc i would be so pissed off/surprised please never use "i'm gonna die" in mafia chat ever again since discussion is a necessary thing here, though mymemoryisbad i want you to recount your reasons for voting both sylv and chaos d1, and why you decided to vote chaos instead of sylv at the end i posted plenty of stuff during the time i was voting sylv d1, you can probably find stuff there. quick summary of what i remember is that their reactions were p shit, the wording and tone they used were just awful, they kept on trying to defuse situations by bringing up smthn like fish, like they had so many posts i just disliked. also i didnt vote chaos d1, or at least idt i did, pretty sure i voted him d2 i went into d2 going to vote sylv but then they became an uncced role cop and that made me unvote also you were on chaos as well, so once again, you probably could have found sumn. quick summary for chaos: seemed to put in no effort, lazy ass reads, just didnt explain anything at all, and fsr they seemed to take a lot of stuff personally so first of all, you absolutely did vote chaos d1. unvote sylveon vote chaos bolding here is bullshit + mb on boldfailing like 3 times my bad for not being specific; what made you feel like chaos was worth shifting to here? shifting entails tossing aside the read you had on sylv that you were pursuing the whole day, and even if i also agreed with your read on chaos, sylv flipping red means you shifting off him in d1 is suspicious in retrospect. it strikes me as odd that you were willing to pursue a slot with "no effort, lazy ass reads, just didn't explain anything at all" over "reactions were p shit, the wording and tone they used were just awful, they kept on trying to defuse situations" i'd think the latter qualifies more as potential scumplay over the former, especially because it's common knowledge that low-effort town is a thing that exists They Both can Die I probably go with shadow today Vote Shadoweavile
why switch from martin to shadow? you seemed perfectly content for doing martin of all lurkers, and then he seemed like an even better vote when he randomly liked micros post and has posted "hi" or "gm" like twice.. like what made you change your preference to shadow zach made an entire case on why a shadow vote would be favourable over a martin vote, and you popping in to slam kliff for abandoning one lurker read for another without acknowledging that tells me you're either a big fan of shadoweavile or a big hater of martinvtran. |
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Post by cyan on Jul 17, 2022 9:39:15 GMT
since discussion is a necessary thing here, though mymemoryisbad i want you to recount your reasons for voting both sylv and chaos d1, and why you decided to vote chaos instead of sylv at the end |
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Post by cyan on Jul 17, 2022 9:38:19 GMT
in all seriousness though, if we are to push a lurker, I think we should push shadow instead of martin. martin's just been chilling, shadow said weird shit and then started chilling. one is more suspicious than the other. that is to say, martin's behavior could be that of a PR who REALLY wants to keep their information to themselves until the right time to share it while i don't think there's a valid justification for shadow going afk after what they said d1. also i don't want today to be "let's focus on the lurkers" when we had a giant case against cyan yesterday and cyan's rebuttal against mmib. both of those deserve to be looked into, and i really believe one of them is scum if martin is pr im probably gonna die. bro finally showed up and has been sooo inactive, i feel like if hes a pr he would definitely be tryna use his actions as like a means of who he should vote (like just a guide thing). surely no pr is that secretive. also town kinda thought that more scum is in the active pool... this is just a theory but since idling exists maybe they idled to not kill more lurking players who are scummy and mislead rb? also what did cyan say about me? and yeah shadow is gone too, are they gonna come back this post is another whole load of nothing. huh, second time how would pr!martin be spelling a death sentence for you? martin hasn't even shown evidence of reading the game, let alone pursued you for anything. maybe what you're really worried about is being next, but that wouldn't make sense because i'm the guy on plur and you seem to be well-aware of that i read this post as martin being paranoid for their own survival, and that doesn't feel like a town-aligned sentiment. it's not vt because it's obviously not vt, and it's not pr because pr's wouldn't be super-paranoid this late in the game when claiming is a viable tool for deflecting attention I would lean scum!marvin ftr their post makes it seem like they could've been pinged by scum partners to post there's no reason for them to stop lurking otherwise I think martin liked a post of all things tho i feel like he did that possibly by accident but then got called out by kliff on it fsr he didnt seem worried at all and then made like 2 posts that just said hi or sum shit weird slot, but i can see him as scum a pathological lurker isn't going to suddenly pop up and say "hi" without good reason not sure what your point is |
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Post by cyan on Jul 16, 2022 13:32:20 GMT
actually it might be worth talking about how martin came to life the moment they became a focus of main discussion
Vote: martinvtran
here's to hoping we can get things out of this slot
no, my read on mmib is not gone yet
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Post by cyan on Jul 16, 2022 12:59:32 GMT
if you don't give us anything to work with you're next btw |
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Post by cyan on Jul 16, 2022 6:25:06 GMT
Would've probably preferred this as the vote last phase but I was caught up  with previously scheduled work (can we add sparkles as an emote micromorphic ) OM you can’t say this after you literally rand voted spore without explanation. Also yesterday you said you “literally could not care about the cyan vote”…please tell me if I’m interpreting that wrong because that sounds like distancing yourself me. Also your interaction with cyan has been extremely forced, which makes me sus you a little more as a potential scum partner. As for cyan…I don’t know what to think of you after your resistance to vote Spore yesterday. Originally I thought it was scum not willing to bus. Now I don’t know what you feel like, because I don’t think scum would sacrifice themself like that without survivalising the odds of me saving myself are directly related to my self-esteem as a player that should answer your question now since we're getting nowhere fast i'd like to discuss a bit about mmib since your interactions with them yesterday were pretty telling |
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