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Post by cyan on Jul 16, 2022 3:49:09 GMT
Well Damn We should Look at the people not voting I'm Considering Voting Shadowweavile and / or martinvtran again. I refuse to lose to !scum shadowweavile and / or !scum martinvtran i mean the only person it would make sense to press out of this would be mmib. i'd say snapa is most likely town from this flip cause they were the only person that was defending spore. also i don't remember the last time shadow and martin voted so them not voting here doesn't make much of a difference. i do agree that i don't wanna lost to !scum shadowweavile and / or !scum martinvtran martin is deliberately lurking so they're also a sensible press target |
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Post by cyan on Jul 16, 2022 3:16:14 GMT
anyway, time for me to follow the yellow brick road
Vote: mymemoryisbad
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Post by cyan on Jul 16, 2022 3:15:35 GMT
also where were mmib, spore, & snapa yesterday in the votes?? not good to have active people not voting. also also does no nk mean goated rb or scum choosing not to kill? if we assume scum is pr hunting or desperate then scum would definitely not idle |
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Post by cyan on Jul 15, 2022 2:14:38 GMT
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Post by cyan on Jul 15, 2022 2:14:21 GMT
act fuck that. basically what i wanted to point out was that in one of dewfews bigger posts they become worried about the nk and prs and shit, and then in another when theyre explaining their sr on cyan, i cant tell if he was directing this at cyan, but he basically says (THIS IS A PARAPHRASE) "i feel like NKA isnt really good here for [reasons that he stated but i forgot]" (probs because nka really isnt that good at this point...). what im trying to say is dew is like responding and commenting on stuff and then using that shit against other people, like you either gotta direct it at people more clearly or stop explaining one thing so many times won't lie, this is essentially a better worded version of my response to dewfew i'll say again that it strikes me as odd that within the same paragraph, one person would say that andbecause these two sentiments are contradictory and they end up making this one point of theirs look more like an attempt at defacing me. at the very least i can gather that these two are probably not in a scumteam (take that, semantics) |
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Post by cyan on Jul 15, 2022 2:09:53 GMT
and here we address snap's d1-d2 arguments against me, because i have nothing better to do while i wait for my death Ok, I may have to explain this, but the tone that you guys used when saying "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game" were DRASTICALLY different. While erry sounded as if they're a townie, like, a town member telling their fellow town members to play / send better lines so that they can read better and play better as well, you on the other hand, your way of saying "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game" was null. So, if you're surprised, I'm not actually thinking you're scum because of this, I think you're scum for other reasons. I think you're scum not mainly because of the portion where you said "yeah i'd rather you guys actually play the game", but your whole ISO (i dont know what the fuck to call it lmao) as a whole. You started off by saying that we should play properly, which is completely null. But then you made further null sounding lines, that arent actually null, in fact there was a tone in those lines. For example, you took a quote and asked a question which you have done nothing with. "i like this line, but i'd like to see the logic progress further. what do you think spore's intentions are here"If you were town you would have backtracked to this line and therefore would have progressed it, but no. Simply put, you're shooting at random directions. I can't specify it directly, but your ISO is mainly sending lines to other people, then switching to other people, then doing nothing with what you have. You are broad, which is townie, but you do nothing with what you have, which makes you scummier than you are town.
ohsnapa has been disagreeing with you for half the length of the game. i don't care that i'm digging my own grave doing this, but snap's read is a combination of tone and playstyle here. focusing on the bold lines would tell you that their read consists of two parts: A. i don't appear to be town-motivated tonally; B. my angles of attack have been varied, but non-committal i.e. i'm looking in many directions and not following any paths i'm not sure where you get the idea that snap's post here was a pure toneread, because there's an entire paragraph dedicated to read B over here that i can only hope you missed on accident because you weren't reading it right also ohsnapa i'm working on it, dw. if you're concerned about chronology, then i should mention the line was spoken out in the early stages of the game while everyone was still shitposting. that being said, it doesn't carry as much weight as it would otherwise because of the following post! like way to go, Sylveon & Rando, for tossing out an entire goddamn read on spore for what appears to be OMGUS. oh and ohsnapa is probably town and i look forward to their performance in fish today
speaking of withholding reads or some shit, i have another read on you but i cant be fucking bothered to quote anything old so imma just ok earlier we had an interaction where i was asking you "what the fuck are those replies" and at the end of that you said "let us end this conversation then lol" or some shit along those lines you see that triggered my spidey tingly sensies. after that, like, after a few lines, you said "i might be digging my own grave here" then you yadayada gave more reads. i'd just like to call out that. - you realized you were digging your own grave by asking me those questions that werent actually proper replies, - you insisted we stop talking about it. i pay it no attention because i cant be wasting my fucking time - after that you "dig" your own grave INTENTIONALLY so why the fuck did you stop digging your grave accidentally only to dig your grave intentionally later on like you realized you were being fucked, but then you didnt realize how fucked you were, so after the moment passed you just, you, like, lmao, like you just decided to fuck yourself over, by deciding, like, dude i cant even fucking type this sentence without laughing but i hope you get the point
i have to start by asking the obvious; do you still cling onto these points? like you're not voting me, mate, and that raises a few flags you made the case that i was looking for multiple angles of discussion without pursuing any of them to a significant depth. that was true, and it might be true again now. what bugs me here is that you dropped this case during d2 and d3, and while that understandably would've been because of sylv's shenanigans, i'm a bit concerned with you simply forgetting the bit about digging my own grave? that was me making an outline of your case against me for spore. i said this d1, and if it isn't a satisfactory answer then you can sit there and do nothing with it |
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Post by cyan on Jul 15, 2022 2:01:01 GMT
actually, i think i can make a few alignment guesses from the d1 shitpost interactions i think mmib needs some attention (not the good kind) for the following posts in d1 mmib passionately pursues sylveon d1 for the majority of the game, but decides towards the tail end that chaos was the better vote for the day, which they then case in the following posts: this progression feels a little forced to me. what drove mmib to shove the sylv read that they were pursuing the entire day into the background to focus on this second read based on a lack of game engagement? thinking there's potential for mmib to be a scumpartner here i'm also wondering why ohsnapa was pushing for mmib as town in d4 off of a tonal read in d1 and how this partnership read, the crux of snap's case against me, has been a thing snap has been pushing since d1 What made you switch gears so quickly from town reading mmib to thinking they are sylveon’s scum partner? And couldn’t we say the same for you, as you stopped going after sylv to vote chaos as well? i went back to d1 because i had nothing better to do. i think "make a few guesses from d1 shitpost interactions" aptly explains why i'm flopping over here? you could probably make the same argument about me, but it'd have to be sylv/pac, not sylv/chaos. chaos was my background sr that i only really got into after the fakeclaim d2. |
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 16:09:56 GMT
think i'm going to make use of this new angle.
Vote: mymemoryisbad
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 16:09:28 GMT
actually, i think i can make a few alignment guesses from the d1 shitpost interactions i think mmib needs some attention (not the good kind) for the following posts in d1 Snapa, please stop and be serious. I'm not changing my vote because constantly voteshifting is sus, but this is my secondary sr. ok now i really dont like sylv snapa has been shitposting, but he has had just as many reasons or more than what you have been doing the fact that you acknowledged something that could be considered scummy also just screams "trying to be careful bc of my pos" also continuing from my sr on sylv, spore has done like NOTHING with sylv at all. no trs, no srs, nothing. if im being honest idrk what this means but i dont like this as spores been trolling a ton and just using me as shitpost-y sr. however im starting to see that hes also skipping over a few others Okay, snapa and spore just stopped posting altogether so we don't have much info. IMO: Both are a good vote here because snapa made bullshit "reads" and spore tried to copy them. I think they're possible scumpartners, because they interacted a lot of times. Also, both might be afk because they're talking in scum chat about who their target is gonna be. this really just shows how scummy sylv is, im going to be pushing this a lot while the first couple pages are filler-ish, we did have SOME info, and a scumteam between them is unlikely. i also see this as a response to the little interactions that i called you and spore on out the fact that your main info was based off SHITPOSTING?? is telling me ur tryna coast or make easy reads or some shit. there is much more info out there than that, and its not hard to find. sounds lazy by ending with a scum chat read of all reads makes me most definitely confirm that you are scum. plenty of time has yet to come, and ~6 ppl are here. going with voting them both isnt a good option, as just one of them being voted (which would be spore imo) gives tons of info. my sr and vote still stays on sylveon. they're keeping it brief which in some senses is fine, but i personally would like to see some more info in their reads and deeper meanings. i cant remember all the lines they posted but i remember i gave more reasons and replied to a bunch of those lines rn, sylv is a -4.5 shadow and cyan are null, shadow just seems to be trying to form more complex reads atm, just feel like the unsureness could them trying to be careful scum or a logical townie, idk, theyre like a 1 cyan seems to be just like... pressuring people, but i dont see a clear sr here other than sylv. cyan has been questioning others and also making some pretty informative long blocks of text, so ig im giving them a 1.5... might rise later erry is my tl because they come in, give a solid couple paragraphs that make sense, and overall just give a townie feeling from their lines- theyre a 3. snapa was shitposting a lot early on, but other people were too, and i dont like how he got sred a little for that. he had a mainly natural shift from goofy to serious, and even during the rvs when he was meming he was making some solid reads. you just had to read past the fortnite balls OwO bs.. snapa is a 3.5 rn angel has posted like once or twice but it was a good post. not really enough info to read em, but based off the one post theyre a very null 0 uhh pacncheese has just fillered this entire time and like wants to buddy up with people or smthn? like looking back at his posts hes tryna find alliances it seems, which idt is very good here. like hes questioning stuff just not the right stuff... or tryna avoid some shit idk. theyre an sl -1.5 mmib passionately pursues sylveon d1 for the majority of the game, but decides towards the tail end that chaos was the better vote for the day, which they then case in the following posts: The aggression and attacking style looks similar , would be a stretch to pursue based on that , just making a note for myself later
this has to be the laziest elaboration i have seen... this is why im starting to sr chaos they have been making these one-line "read" posts, which are just so seemingly basic and really not showing much use of evidence or info. also the elaboration i am currently responding to seems to just be them trying to be careful in getting called out by zach a lot of chaos's posts are just so basic, and im not seeing any solid reads or getting anything townie from them. the way they just seem to coast/filler in their posts and go on with the game is telling me theyre scum Would recommend retuning your vibes indicator what a defense! really convincing him to not vote you with what i have been pushing on chaos this only proves my point more. the whole "my stuff got deleted whooops" and then making reads based off of feelings from one post just seems like a convenient excuse to not post reads and act like you actually have reasoning behind ur srs also there is most likely some sort of undo button or some shit so i really dislike that excuse since chaos isnt under any actual pressure i just think he feels like he doesnt need a good defense, but i think thats a stretch I dont think spore really meant that , and even if he did , why cant the first 3 people who talk be scum? Also no way does simply saying something improbable deserve a vote.
Secondly , just because someone trs you doesnt mean they should be voting with you , you are confusing tring and sheeping gen z has nothing to do with mafia but ok im sorry but i dont see a clear explanation of the "lapses in logic". also when did spore get into that convo? anyway i feel like that post just explains basic terms rather than explaining the lapses also the 1st 3 people online could of course have scum in it (not me dawg im town) but rn other people are scummier due to their posts, reasoning, or logic (like you) anyway idk who u meant when u said "no way does simply saying something improbable deserve a vote" but its more likely that that person had multiple posts or is consistently doing something that doesnt make sense (i feel like ur talking about pac). if ur talking about sylv then they most definitely have said more than a couple improbable things this progression feels a little forced to me. what drove mmib to shove the sylv read that they were pursuing the entire day into the background to focus on this second read based on a lack of game engagement? thinking there's potential for mmib to be a scumpartner here i would like to conclude that mmib is most likely town here too, maybe even pr, but that's not really a confident read, in fact I think they're vt as of now. mmib's non serious yet courageous (courageous meaning they arent afraid to speak their mind / opinion about town) indicates that they're most towny out of the group town reads are: erry and mmib as of now of course, this will / might change in the future. mmib is townier than erry of course i'm also wondering why ohsnapa was pushing for mmib as town in d4 off of a tonal read in d1 i feel like both of cyan and sylveon are defending themselves, by, surprise surprise, DEFENDING THEMSELVES, AND, most importantly, trying to try and come back at me hoping i become more scummy wummy than they are. But i will never. cyan + sylveon kachow and how this partnership read, the crux of snap's case against me, has been a thing snap has been pushing since d1 |
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 15:43:54 GMT
Cyan Talon give me some scumreads you dork look, man. the most i've been able to fish out rn is that spore isn't scumhunting and that isn't anywhere near a read a tiny bit of me feels like dewfew is frustrated at current gamestate given their recent responses to OM? as far as people who look pressure-worthy mmib and ohsnapa come to mind but i don't have a good starting point for either save for snap's earlier push on me, which i'm not confident i can make work with less than 12 hours on the clock |
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 14:48:25 GMT
Could not care less about the cyan vote as he was, in fact, asleep for most of it you know me well |
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 11:51:18 GMT
apparently a formatting botch happened and some of the posts i selected vanished into thin air, so i'm going to be posting in backwards order here i'm still not sure what the basis of the read is. is being approachable a more townie trait? ngl i get the feeling your read here is genuine mostly because it seems to be emotionally motivated in a way that feels town to me in ways i can't explain myself I have underlined the stuff I want to talk about. > “any response I make isn’t going to do much in the long run” This sounds like an excuse to get lazy and not participate lmao. A read’s target can definitely do some major dissenting/arguing back. One vague example that comes to mind rn is spore v Kliff which is happening right now. > “I don’t have many reads because d2 and d3 sapped me, and prodding people and steering discussion is how I can play forums, check my past games if you want” You’re tired from reading. I get it, reading day 1 made me like that too. but seriously? If I understand what you’re saying correctly, you’re Arguing “that’s not sus because of my pMeTA!1!11” is probably the stupidest thing you could say. I literally bruh’d out loud when I read that. Prodding and steering is fine, but you have to be an active participant as well. Surely you’ve developed more reads than just town lean mmib and someone else (forgot who). maybe in a different, more fortuitous universe. but not this one, mate. you've caught me, guilty as charged; nothing i can do about it, so nothing i will.
expect me to latch onto and develop reads over the course of d4 and d5. i'm not going to suddenly pop up with an extra read because i'd rather take my time.
> “I spent most of yesterday (irl) thinking about what the kills meant for our gamestate.” If this is an excuse to get out of day analysis, it is a bad excuse. From my perspective, the nightkills have many obvious intents/observations, which I listed in my post. Additionally, I feel that NKA isn’t a very reliable way to play the game, because it requires scum’s thinking process to fully understand, which town obviously can’t access. you wanted to know what i've spent my brainpower doing this past day. i get that my answer isn't very satisfying but there's nothing i can do to change it.
also you should check out the main site, a lot of information just gets dismissed because the average playerbase doesn't bother with NKA
+ it feels weird to dismiss NKA as reliable while also calling its results "obvious". does it have merit, or does it not?> “In a team” does not mean the same thing as “aligned the same” don’t argue semantics. Like really this just makes it look like you’re trying to distract using a random comment. i'll be honest with you. "don't argue semantics" is just as bad as what you're charging me for. you're trying to detract me from questioning the basis on a read based on interactions. needless to say, i don't like that.> Ohsnapa + cyan i heavily agree with Zach on this one. To me cyan and ohsnapa have been kiddie fighting this whole game and arguing about the most random stuff. Their interactions seem super superficial and like they kind of bounce off each other? Like nothing they say seems to really stick to each other, like two bumper cars that smack each other once in a while and drive away. Ohsnapa has gone to push who knows what now. I honestly got no idea what they’re doing. am i supposed to box a child with heavy slugger punches though
on a more serious note, it does feel like the read on me has straight up vanished at this point. neat point-outOn a similar note, I want OM to share their thoughts on Cyan + reads on them (from many perspectives, both town and scum reads). it feels like you’re (OM) kind of ignoring the main action here and doing your own thing, which is not necessarily bad (think Kliff pressuring spore, another sussie on the chaos wagon). But you asked for people to explain the Chaos vote, and just left that bread to get stale while you’ve left to cook bacon instead. (if you couldn’t tell I like sandwiches but that’s not relevant) maybe it's just me speaking, but i feel like you're more focused on casing my play as suboptimal over scummy. let's just say that i've made that mistake already and leave it at that |
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 4:23:44 GMT
Explain what you mean by this pls [snip] lmao I said I was home then immediately got busy I'm going to bed after I post this - I think how zach approaches your slot feels weird, and when you compare what he posts on you to what his actions show (tl on you) it's, like, kinda scum partner vibes He did backtrack a bit when I prodded him on it but idk if I buy it i'm too lazy to sift out zach's iso so it would be nice if we got a compilation of zach v. dewfew |
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 4:22:03 GMT
i have officially nailed spoiler formatting but at this point in time i have no real reads other than "kliff is town" and "mmib is probably town"
by the number of posts singing the tune of "oh wait RC can't find maf" i think that the NKA angle of scum going on a PR hunting spree shouldn't be invalidated just because the PR's aren't what we thought them to be
i'm saying we because i also thought it btw
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 4:16:29 GMT
also continuing from my sr on sylv, spore has done like NOTHING with sylv at all. no trs, no srs, nothing. if im being honest idrk what this means but i dont like this as spores been trolling a ton and just using me as shitpost-y sr. however im starting to see that hes also skipping over a few others the whole shitposting thing started with ohsnapa as the base and me as the catalyst but if we ignore the memes the whole thing started because sylv did rvs and because we are all inexperienced and dont know if rvs exists in forum games we started trying to prove that rvsmeta sucks and the person who brought it in in scum who is sylveon ,the reason why we dont do that in normal games is cus rvs is so ingrained in ps games that no one questions it anymore. soon the whole thing escalated from rvs bad to me and snapa roleplaying as 2 rich englishman trying to roast eachother with the oxford dictionary and forgot about sylv completely yet and started identifying them as conf scum no matter what for no reason in conclusion we have done absolutely nothing
spore gets called out and somehow dude just bcomes serious and summarizes the whole day something i kind of want to flesh out is this read right here. looking at spore's d4 tells me they're currently more the type to answer questions than to ask them. there was like one moment of proactive play d3 that never went very far afterwards. these posts in particular ping me: anyway time for the big read post i was hyping up! ohsnapa: seems townie enough. he plays like he always does, and he seems more townie because he has so many annoying one line posts that end up spamming up forums (no offense bro but PLEASE stop that for the sake of me. "what teh fuck" adds nothing to the game). like there are some snapa is scum theories i have that are highly likely not true unless snapa is in fact scum.... whatever baseline is snapa is trying, and has been making reads. hes been inspecting abroad and is responding even to posts where he really doesnt need to. i like the questioning hes doing, probably a 4 or sum shit. cyan: has progressed gamestate, that seems to be the only thing people find townie from u. fsr i think ur town for dif reasons. anybody can actively progress gamestate and criticize town. some people have said u made unemotional reads or some shit, which idt is a very good reason to sr ppl. tone i can accept, but if ur voting somebody based off emotion 1. learn what ate is 2. fuck off. anyway cyan has made imo some solid reads with plenty of evidence or posts to show as their reasoning why. some general sls or srs on him to me havent been that strong and really dont make sense. like cyan has actively lectured ppl in a couple posts for being simply put mid. forcing people to be active just doesnt seem scummy (i think i contradicted myself but honestly fuck that im tryna remember shit) you guys seem to think that its bad that theyve had a couple defeatist posts, i think its normal cuz town is getting fucked over (not playing bad, getting fucked over) by its half inactive pl. honestly like a 2, i just think yall question cyan for the wrong shit. im honestly bound to change here tho spore: well spore is quite the interesting one. hes really null. you see he and snapa shitposted at first, but he got a shit ton of backlash for it. like everybody was on his case at one point or another in the game before now. bro is literally scarred and has been so fucking careful with his lines, and had the weirdest shift from shitposty to inactive. whether hes town or scum he got essentially bullied into playing lmfao. i cant tell if hes scarred (no typo) town actually trying and like trying to make up for his mistakes or scared scum trying not to get voted. like hes making actual reads and being more active now so i give him some credit there. seems to be coming around. 0.5. could change here zach: ok so he seems like snapa but he doesnt give the town vibe snapa does. like snapa is just having a bop and still is lowkey fucking around, u can tell bro is having fun while still playing. meanwhile zach is inquiring on a lot of stuff but he does it so much more... seriously? like zach is always having a serious tone, but like other people get the same info with a different tone or just doing their town thing. zach is generally doing his townie stuff but sometimes just focuses on stuff that just really isnt as important. like idk consider some more perspectives or smthn. instead of just asking questions or pressuring think what x person would do in x situation and like just be more visual. shrug on that, give em a 3. dewfew: i havent seen too much on them so this is gonna be short. they seemed to read to an extent and with a decent bit of posts being lowkey useless that probably took a while and they had to skim a bit. reads seem like they have thought, they seem a little miffed sometimes, also seem kind of unsure in some posts. again very null honestly just a 0 kliff: this is my last read fyi. so kliff has been thinking outside the box, and while it may seem odd they are pressuring and trying to get a lurker vote which is lowkey better than some other votes rn. like its a bit of a gamble but its probably a gamble worth taking, as i can see it giving a decent bit of info. dunno why theyve been on martin the entire time of all lurkers but idt it matters that much. still curious part 2. anyway they still are null as they have some questions i still want explained and they do have some weird thought processes for sum shit. null but townie-ish thing going, just a 1. like i have responded to a bunch of shit there. everybody else is a lurker or afk, so honestly fuck them for being a bitch and ruining the game like that. already said a bunch of my thoughts on sylv earlier... omfg they just so scummy i fucking cant. tldr: haha fuck u no tldr read it bitch the reads on zach,cyan and i make very little sense to me, maybe cus iam dumb or maybe mmib had trouble getting his point across but i am going to point out things i dont get in mmibs reads so he could reply and explain them to me again with quotes this time mmib stated that cyan has progressed gamestate and that thats theonly thing ppl find townie about him,then says that you made unemotional reads? what is an unemotional read? if anything all your reads should be unemotional and then says that cyan who apparently has made unemotional reads has voted someone based on emotion ?? i dont understand a damn thing,then mmib says cyan made some other good reads with strong evidence, then goes and defends cyans defeatist posts saying its natural town behaviour which it isnt? cyan hardly ever shitposts, exactly what are we going to need defeatist for? to me this feels like some really weak attempt to defend cyan for some odd reason, FOS on that mmib please give me quotes for all the unemotional reads and emotional vote that cyan did mmib said that i have gotten ptsd from the backlash on shitposting even though i only overdid it by a margin and snapa still shitposts and no one says shit ( not salty ) but thats all really, he mentions my change from shitposty to inactive even though it was from shitposty to active? i only started getting inactive cus i started slipping up and getting too lazy to hop on, then talks about me being careful with my reads but doesnt elaborate on whether thats scummy or towny btw tha careful line thing could have prob been stolen from snapa but who knows this one baffles me the most tho mmibs read basically states that zach is ohsnapa (who mmib townreads cus he is good) except that he is more serious than ohsnapa, which apparently doesnt give a towny vibe and then says that everything ohsnapa does , zach does but seriously which should be good but is apparently bad? you tr the shitposting town but dont get a towny vibe from the a more serious version of that town that u tr? also he says that zach is focusing on things that arent important and doesnt give any examples or quotes again a really weak read with hardly any evidence or reason behind it listen mmib, your reads have been tilting for a while but this is a new low, idk if hospital did anything or you were just too lazy but if u have nothing to say then go find stuff to say,this to me feels like some attempt at a quick and ez text wall so he seems towny,seeing as all these reads are weak as hell and have alot of holes and inconsistencies mmib i would like you to revise the 3 reads above and give me some quotes and examples on the stuff i asked for, please and thank you My current thoughts are on seeing if angelmpr kill can out scum Bc it's either -scum kills angel and hopes to get away with it bc they sred them (zach, possibly dewfew asw) -scum kills angel to frame a highly townread member (kliff) -scum is picking names out of a hat to find the cop o shit he is right, scum could be trying to frame someone, but framing almost never works so we didnt think about it yo kliff thats a nice read, cool formating but i wanna defend myself in the last point, ppl were challenging sylv cop claim, mostly snapa at the start and that was before they completely lurked and didnt speak, and seeings as they were the uncced rolecop there word is law i assumed that they would atleast make use of their conf status now that they cant be sred even though their inspect was rather strange.however, they didnt do anything at all with their conf status , before the claim, they talked and panicked and did a lot of stuff,after the claim they were silent. which is something no cop will do so i started to suspect them as a fakeclaiming cop, but voting them is completely useless so i wanted to make use of scums nightactions, so we can use our vote for someone else idk what u want to point out in the word lovely,its just sarcasm seeing as they were useless, however i was a bit too confident in my read and in my happiness typed confirms even though they could have been rbed which i still dont think was a good idea for them the choastrodon read is just for what can be considered as lazy town, i wanted to make them talk and bring out everything they had but eh the ohsnapa thing was me critiquing reads which is something i like to do i didnt rlly focus on snapa, they were just saying shit i didnt understand I really do wanna solve martinvtran because I have reason to believe they are intentionally avoiding posting. I don't know why. I've been wanting them to talk.  this is actually super interesting. it finally gives some base behind your martin read until martin comes online, there's very little we can work off of this save for the fact that kliff's reads are genuine. this is more than enough for me to retract my thoughts on kliff working along an agenda, i feel, unless kliff and martin are deliberately orchestrating things. and i'm not even going to consider that scenario for a second because it's stupid in fact, let me just put it out there that i now think kliff is a townie that wanted to stick to a game plan, got discouraged, and is looking at other avenues of exploration. their newly formed reads in d4 have a sort of "rushed" kind of feel that tells me they're trying to re-read the game, and while ordinarily that would be a scumtell, it frames their lurker-pushing agenda as something they genuinely believed in and tried to work with up to this point in the game Actually you’ve seemed fairly towny so fair OM. Also I’m really starting to think cyan was one of sylv’s scum partners and that Kliff and spore are svt i think kliff and spore are tvt but i could be wrong, from my pov both kliff and spore have been completely consistent with how they're playing. actually let me think i mentioned yesterday that kliff wanting to vote out martin was an odd choice (because of my self made poe) but that's not the takeaway kliff has been wanting to solve the afk people problem for 3 days now (starting d2) and it's been consistent really see the question here is that if kliff was scum why would they be trying to solve the afk people problem and if kliff is scum trying to hunt the rolecop, why would they announce their attempt to solve the afk problem? I already mentioned that at first glance spore seems to be very careful with their words, but if you actually read their serious statements (exclude 1/4 of spore's shitposts d1), it actually does make sense (at least to me). I've mentioned that spore has raw lines im open if someone wants to disprove me otherwise less that i want to disprove you and more that i want to ask you for proof. i'm not sure what your angle is on spore being town, but your arguments kind of fall flat considering any scum can play seriously that being said, if we assume scum is coasting given the last two kills, then maybe it would be wise to rule out the group of townies who sit in between the extremes of active and dominant presence and borderline absence. spore fits into this pool, i feel. scum going PR hunting is an angle i forgot to think about though; and it kind of feels like a better alternative than scum being comfortable in their current position. thanks om i mean i did question this before, but i questioned "what if sylveon is actually rolecop, what does this tell us?" a bunch of times, and no one seemed to reply to that, unless i didnt read something here like i said earlier: right now, i think, (if the case was that angel was killed because of scum trying to hunt real role cop (like om mentioned earlier),
If You Believe Scum is Trying to Role Cop Hunt Then I think The Likely Person to do that would be This Guy ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️ the only thing we're waiting for is for the rest of the town to wake up and someone to cc sylv's rolecop claim, to just be able to turbo them and actually progress this game, instead of running around in circles with the current active town members " Do you think he is scum , or do you think he is the scummiest out of mmib , sylv , zach , me and spore" i think he's scum on the other hand though, i still think mmib and zach are townie spore is null, probably nearing scummy if he continues to act careful with his words sylv is uhhhhh, yeah im just kinda waiting for a cc on sylv, if sylv is cop then i'll just turbo cyan anyway
also i kinda think that you're town, i already explained this, but you gotta be more active man, like, i notice you're being careful, i dont think careful is the right word, it's uhhhhhhhhhhhh, secretive, yeah, you're being secretive with your reads, i have to point out here that i read ohsnapa vs. sylv as SvT in d3 for this reason alone: vote sylveon
Sylveon’s claim is still bullshit if they were actually role cop they'd at least have made time to do everything they can to solve yesterday since they'd expect yesterday to be their last. i don't disagree that ohsnapa could've been trying to catalyze a role cop counterclaim into kill, but i feel it's just as likely that snap decided they wanted sylv out d2 and stuck with that decision in d3. good catch though |
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 3:49:15 GMT
apparently a formatting botch happened and some of the posts i selected vanished into thin air, so i'm going to be posting in backwards order here that is not at all what i got from your read of me. the tone of it seemed like weird. like you were skeptical of calling me town or didn't like that you thought i was town or annoyed that i was pushing you. idk something negative. it felt like your read had a negative connotation attached to it tbh, idk to that. but my best explanation for it sounding (sorry if i sounded negative) is that like snapa is more approachable? like zach goes out there p hard and is p aggressive when asking qs n stuff, snapa is more chill about it? i'm still not sure what the basis of the read is. is being approachable a more townie trait? ngl i get the feeling your read here is genuine mostly because it seems to be emotionally motivated in a way that feels town to me in ways i can't explain myself I think their positioning w zach is weird Explain what you mean by this pls ======= I have a few things I quickly want to say about what I think from the nightkill. It seems that scum is going pr hunting. This concerns me for a few reasons 1. Pr = good, and with only a few non-cop claims left, I'm afraid that they will end up hitting cop soon 2. Scum may be more concentrated in active pool than we thought - eliminating lurkers brings more focus to each of the remaining ones 3. They feel comfortable with the status quo, meaning we're not putting enough pressure on scum. This allows them breathing space to go snipe afk bois instead of eliminating active threats to them. pretty sure i've gone over this, but alright.
y'all know what i'm here for, anyways:Especially in accordance to the third point, I want to put more pressure on Shadow, and a little on the chaos voters. We've had a little so far on spore (kliff appreciation), but I really want to focus on Cyan today. ================== Cyan quote below: as one of the chaos wagon's main advocates, you can use my iso for reference because i feel like every other point that was made was some variation of something i've said about them Cyan Talon Avatar Jul 9, 2022 at 11:11pm Cyan Talon said: not at home rn, will make a full response later my reasons tie into chaos's extremely passive play in both d1 and d2 and their subsequent attempts to justify said playstyle (i.e. "we don't have enough to work off of so you shouldn't be pushing people") and also push low-activity slots in the name of "playing the game" tl;dr chaos appeared to be aggressively disinterested in scumhunting i wouldn't call it a high quality vote by any means but considering the one other guy who i was considering into D2 barfed out a role cop claim, it was what i had to work with ======================= i couldn't see any of the "chaos doesn't want to hunt scum" when I was backreading. You really need to give some quotes for this because from my perspective it just looks like you were the one pushing a relatively low-activity slot. incoming.You also don't get to just ignore my scumread and my request that you explain yourself more, when I know for a fact that you read my post all the way through (you made a comment about how you found my comment on snapa spore d1 funny, which i put at the end) can't be bothered to link it properly, but for reference, this is the read you madei'm not sure how to explain it, but i'm not the one you should be directing your case at. you're trying to argue that i'm scum; inherently that means i'm not the target audience of this case, so any response that i do make isn't going to mean much in the long run
even then, there's really not much i can argue with here? i don't have much in terms of reads because d2 and d3 sapped me, and prodding people for answers and steering discussion is generally how i play in forums. you can check my past games if you want some more insight
i spent most of yesterday (irl) thinking about what the kill pattern meant for our gamestate, because i was more interested in that than in looking at the reads. lately we've been having a bunch of wallposts, so i can get back into form nowSpore your justification for voting chaos that you gave when voted ("Cyan and mmib sound like they know what they're doing so i guess i'll get on as well") is extremely lackadaisical and doesn't explain anything abot your motives here vote cyan talon, i want some vote pressure on this for a nice wall response to al of the accusations I'll post more in a few hours but this is what i could glean so far from skimming d4 generally though i find this case to be pretty well-presented. i just have no real way of responding to itAlright, let's talk about cyan.
I really appreciate what they did for the game on d1. I think Kliff does a good job at summarizing all of this in their post. My only problem is that cyan was just kinda null on erry. Snap pushes them for it, and they just kinda deflect the whole interaction. Kinda weird, but nothing too alarming. They also shift between sylv and pac then back to sylv, but I can't fault them for this as I kinda did the same until they pressured me to vote. They wanted to both push sylv for their bs and pac for saying just outright weird stuff and doubling down on it. I shared that sentiment, but in retrospect sylv was definitely the one acting scummier. The shift back to sylv, however, could be cyan bussing.
D2 is when things start to change tho. Cyan jumps hard on chaos train after sylv claims cop. Cyan said the following on d3 summarizing their push on chaos: not at home rn, will make a full response later my reasons tie into chaos's extremely passive play in both d1 and d2 and their subsequent attempts to justify said playstyle (i.e. "we don't have enough to work off of so you shouldn't be pushing people") and also push low-activity slots in the name of "playing the game" tl;dr chaos appeared to be aggressively disinterested in scumhunting I think your justification for voting chaos out is very weak. Passive play =/= disinterest in your alignment's overall objective. Using these two synonymously is lazy and/or scummy. As a town member, playing passively can either mean you're a PR not wanting to draw too much attention to yourself, someone who wants to share only the information that they deem relevant to the game, or someone who doesn't have much to go off of. Chaos was a combination of the latter two. He was consistent in this for the rest of his time alive, yet it wasn't enough for you, spore, or mmib to move off of him.
i felt that what we had in d1 was more than enough to pursue some angle of discussion d2, especially since the wagons on pac and sylv hadn't been thinned out by votes and nightkills yet. chaos arguing that there wasn't enough to go off of seemed disingenuous to me because of that; to me, the doubling-down cemented my read instead of detracting from it. This is different then actively withholding information from the rest of the town, which is scummy. Chaos simply just didn't share everything that was on their mind. When asked a question, they answered it to at least enough of an ability. I also got confused that when people started to complain about activity, the major push was on someone who was, at the bare minimum, being active. This is also the day where cyan starts to get frustrated at the lack of activity.
dewfew provided more info on this scenario so I won't dive too much more into it. Thank you for it
Im beginning to think its sort of unlikely for zach and cyan to be in a team If I'm town read, and chaos was confirmed town, then is it a reach to conclude that cyan very well could be scum from this context and logic alone? Unfortunately, he was killed before he was able to elaborate on this by, guess who.
"in a team" isn't exactly the same as "having the same alignment". then again, we can't exactly argue over how we should interpret the words of a dead player without the discussion derailing into trivial territory In addition, any attempt to try and out cyan for what they are doing has been either deflected, not really fleshed out, or ignored. That's not acceptable behavior. You've also been very unoriginal in your reads. Even pushing chaos wasn't that original since mmib was the one that started the suspicion on him on d1. You've also admitted to "stealing" my read on kliff. Really dude? We need some actual substance out of you. It's hypocritical to vote people out for a lack of information given to then only not provide much more of it yourself.
re: NKA. it wasn't much, so all i can say is "i tried" Also potential for kliff and cyan svt:
- cyan said, "tl;dr, kliff fits neatly into (at least, my image of) whatever scum agenda appears to be at play here"
- while potentially true on the surface, upon further digging and context, this simply isn't true. kliff pursuing martin d2 kinda seems like a rvs, but pursing them d3 doesn't seem like a rvs at all since martin all has done is like a single post from micro made at the start of d3. unfortunately, kliff didn't share this until d4, but i don't think his targeting of martin is necessarily random anymore
- this statement is kinda seems like a lazy deflection after understanding the above context - kliff also skepitcal of cyan There's no way these two people are aligned. Kliff has been giving major town vibes since the start of the day.
I said this earlier in the game, "I greatly appreciate the efforts you've made to progress the game forward, but I can't quite make heads or tails of what your alignment is. One moment, you'll be leading town in the right direction, but the next you'll go down a train of thought that either seems uncharacteristically emotional, saying the same thing you've already said, arguing with snap (creating a svt situation between you two), or actively trying to kill of people contributing with valuable information (chaos). If we didn't have inactive players or sylv, then I'd want to pressure you, but that will have to wait for another day. Null/FOS on you, but we can wait until later in the game to actually explore this." I'm starting to think the list of reasons I had against you should've been enough to just sr you then are there, but it wasn't.
vote cyan talon in this case then at least one scum was on that wagon, sylveon claimed rolecop, apparently, i dont fucking know, and i still have cases stacked on cyan, idk if chaos voted pac but chaos needs to start participating more on town instead of making reads on their own and barely sharing it (at least from what i've seen) im still gonna vote cyan i dont give a shit he's scum vote cyan
These posts were made back to back on d2 after cyan started to sus out chaos.
Where are the "cases stacked on cyan"? In retrospect, I like the aggressive vote, but I want to hear your perspective on this because I'm not clear on where you stand on this now? Right now we need to figure out a systematic way of solving the problem with the afk players. Despite me SR’ing cyan, I think it’s best that we develop a better plan This was posted on d3. Now that we have kind of solved the issue, can you elaborate on your cyan scum read some more snap? |
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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2022 3:26:49 GMT
HE HAS RISEN
massive wallpost incoming btw
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Post by cyan on Jul 13, 2022 7:36:21 GMT
expect me not to be around much because for whatever dumb reason every gacha game i'm playing is set to roll out content updates within this week
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Post by cyan on Jul 13, 2022 7:30:31 GMT
Otherwise: What's up guys it's me LittEleven I haven't ~particularly kept up to date with the game but I've been doing a bit of backreading of the last few pages (I'll take an ISO of sylveon tomorrow, gotta be up for 6:30am and don't want to degen too hard) degen all you want, i'm here to make your lunacy look sane in comparisonCliffnotes though: - Names that ping me atm are Kliff & dewfew - kliff's lurker push when sylv is a 'claimed cop' seems... unreasonable, but I do like their jay z gif post? idk, weird. - dewfew's angelmpr take feels like a bizarre attention shift considering the current gamestate. (ANGELMPR FLIP MAKES ME FEEL V WEIRD ABOUT THIS THOUGH) for reference, dewfew's take on angelmpr is:i don't really think this is much of a take, but more of a "you confuse me with your objective so i do not like you" kind of post. which is fair. also, as far as attention shifts go, dewfew never pursued this angle afterward, and made little if any attempt to attack angelmpr, so i think your read is a little off the mark - I have more weird feelings to put my finger on but I am nowhere near caught up enough to fill out why I think they suck - once I get a grasp of what sylv's thread positioning is from the ISO I can better see if their wagon was pure from all 5 votes, I ~currently suspect there's someone bussing there atm though (just bc, like, surely all scum is not inactive or immediately outing themselves lmao??) - Can someone fill me in on Chaostrodon vote? That seems like it has the potential to be very silly. as one of the chaos wagon's main advocates, you can use my iso for reference because i feel like every other point that was made was some variation of something i've said about them
not at home rn, will make a full response later my reasons tie into chaos's extremely passive play in both d1 and d2 and their subsequent attempts to justify said playstyle (i.e. "we don't have enough to work off of so you shouldn't be pushing people") and also push low-activity slots in the name of "playing the game" tl;dr chaos appeared to be aggressively disinterested in scumhunting
- Erry killed n1 is a travesty, can we bring her back? If anyone minds giving me their thread notes idm working off that as well, bc reading 30 pages sounds tiresome (but it is doable) hello there Mr OM~!. welcome. we appreciate you contributing at all since activity is such a hot topic. ANYWAYS. angel dying only confirms that there are scum (probably more than 1 too) within the active player pool. also angel flipping town makes me really wanna sr shadow but that can be talked about later. i'm not really sure as to why scum is killing from the inactive pool tho. wouldn't eliminating active players give scum a better chance to win as there are less people to band up against them?? the past two kills go against this. i can understand wanting to throw off town, but two nights in a row? this is weird. scum is either desperate or has a plan. scum hit big with the erry kill tho. if they're desperate, i think it's best to take advantage of said desperation with aggressive reads to try and find another scum today
it's always best to assume that when scum looks like they're pulling a hail mary, they're confident in something. that being said, it might be worth considering that whichever scum are among the active players view themselves in a good enough position to pull off something like this.
i looked at this from a numbers perspective but kind of forgot about it from a townleading perspective; it's possible that the people generally being perceived as town or the people who have a strong influence in game progression are who we should be looking for. i'm thinking of ohsnapa as an example of the former and you as an example of the latter but i'm going to have to stave this off until information comes
especially given that sylv's flip kinda clears snapa
i think you should explain a little more about how erry's kill benefits scum, and why you feel like scum might be desperate here. killing off weak town slots is not a sign of desperation IMO if you are to read back, OM, i think the best things to read back on are pages 5-14 to see pac and sylv's posts from d1 and whatever happened with chaos d2. i will say, the ones that voted out chaos d2 are mmib, cyan & spore. snapa and I voted for sylv on d2. the 3 people that voted out chaos d2 then flipped to sylv on d3. it's quite a reach to call them a scum team, but it's very possible a scum lies within those 3. despite pushing mmib hard in the past, i'll give them some slack today cause of their outside the game circumstances (sub out if you need to bro <- @mmib). i think we can get a lot of value today out of pushing spore and cyan.
i can try and fill you in some on the chaos kill, tho someone may be able to explain it better. basically, they had been kinda coasting with posts that didn't have a lot of content behind them. this divided the active players into thinking that these minimalist posts either were scummy cause there weren't direct reads or a lot of info within them or towny because, while short, were sometimes still contributing to and advancing the discussion. we can see which side prevailed that day. there also hasn't been a cop cc yet
i know i called spore's coasting kinda towny, but i don't know if i wanna go into today with that same mindset. let's here some more reads from you bro. you haven't said next to much. what compelled you to vote for chaos and sylv? also i want to explore dewfew's take on cyan a bit more as that is the scummiest read someone has had on them thus far. Cyan Talon: My original feel of you was that you seemed like a forum moderated who came in to chastise everyone to play better. Now you feel like a scum town leader. Trying to direct town but your heart doesn’t really feel in it and you don’t seem to be doing much other than prodding people like a puppet master. You ask a bunch of questions without really doing much yourself and I don’t really like how there hasn’t been a lot of pressure surrounding you. Also not having very many good reads imo, like literally “I’ll steal this read from the townleader” bruh. Leading that chaos vote as well needs a lot more explanation than you gave. Rating -5 this is what dewfew said about them (this post is from page 27 if anyone wants to go back and see their other reads). this needs to talked about a lot. i fully agree that cyan hasn't been presenting a lot of new reads since maybe d2 and a lot of those on d2 were trying to facilitate the chaos kill. their tone shift from trying to rally everyone together and help the game move forward to now almost sounding passive aggressive at times and annoyed at the inactivity is either scummy or just kinda annoying and counterproductive.
productivity is never a constant thing. i just lost a big chunk of my motivation to play, but since i think we can expect some good things today (scum flip + OM existing), i'll start fucking
"I don't really like how there hasn't been a lot of pressure surrounding you." Then let's put the pressure on them. Cyan, who do you think we pursue next? We've killed off the two people you've spent the majority of the past two days talking about (other than being annoyed at snapa), so who's next? and i'm not talking about kliff. a deflection onto kliff for them wanting to push randos and being weirdly null isn't gonna do much.
first of all i like your leading by example. just had to say this out loud because i think it's excellent play and sportsmanship regardless of your alignment
i'm honestly a little surprised at how easily my pushes went - i wanna call sheep but i can't do that because pac's advocates are mostly dead and chaos was pushed by me and one other guy. i don't really have any ideas anymore, given the unproductive past few days. the kliff push is there but your doubts are reasonable, and it would be bad form to push kliff for what amounts to a similar offense to chaos's given that they flipped town
best thing to do is look at whatever angles i can shoot into and go from there
i think the rest of town could benefit from a collective discussion of dewfew's alignment and shadoweavile as a sort of universal sr i will say tho, i'm still down to talk about shadow
i'm not one with much to say. there's little info for me to work off of, and my intention was to get you, snap and everyone else to talk about your push and delve into your motivations through that.
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Post by cyan on Jul 12, 2022 2:29:47 GMT
How are we even going to re examine it They said hello They said someone was scummy They never explained why They were never seen again Not even that. At that point in the day, iirc they were asked to give reads and 3 seconds later or more but not less than 30 minutes they give a list of players with no explanation If they honestly had more interest in playing this game they would have been more sophisticated in their explanation shadow has said nothing of merit since this. i'm down to restart the discussion of shadow's alignment. i remember that people thought this was kinda scummy d1, but i don't really remember why. we have also just taken the fact that people have thought of shadow as scummy since this (myself included) as fact instead of actually questioning it. while we may come to the same conclusion, cyan at least has a point well, i think we've gotten as much as we can out of this angle. like i'm not going to say that the read is misplaced, because giving one readpost and dropping is basically the minimum amount of activity required to not be considered a priority sub i'm contesting a shadoweavile vote because it's premature. we haven't had adequate opportunities to press it further because they're just gone, so taking for granted that shadow is scum is probably not a wise idea this late into the game i'm down for it as a policy though hate how sylv is an uncced rolecop and just deciding to not use it. that is the fakest fucking townslip i have heard, and then they went back to doing NOTHING like not only were they not doing shit, they came in here likes "oops" "weird right" and went back to lurking. also kliff no diss to ur gifs and images but those kinda spam up/take a lot of space up in the posts making it harder for people to come back and read... the only thing this has to do with my reads is that scum is more sublte. no scum would ever post as many gifs as kliff and draw so much attention kliff not being scum for the gif thing is the only recent read you've posted that i haven't already fleshed out, and it's also coincidentally the weakest of everything you've said up to this point U didnt mention me? vote ZACHanyway time for the big read post i was hyping up! ohsnapa: seems townie enough. he plays like he always does, and he seems more townie because he has so many annoying one line posts that end up spamming up forums (no offense bro but PLEASE stop that for the sake of me. "what teh fuck" adds nothing to the game). like there are some snapa is scum theories i have that are highly likely not true unless snapa is in fact scum.... whatever baseline is snapa is trying, and has been making reads. hes been inspecting abroad and is responding even to posts where he really doesnt need to. i like the questioning hes doing, probably a 4 or sum shit. cyan: has progressed gamestate, that seems to be the only thing people find townie from u. fsr i think ur town for dif reasons. anybody can actively progress gamestate and criticize town. some people have said u made unemotional reads or some shit, which idt is a very good reason to sr ppl. tone i can accept, but if ur voting somebody based off emotion 1. learn what ate is 2. fuck off. anyway cyan has made imo some solid reads with plenty of evidence or posts to show as their reasoning why. some general sls or srs on him to me havent been that strong and really dont make sense. like cyan has actively lectured ppl in a couple posts for being simply put mid. forcing people to be active just doesnt seem scummy (i think i contradicted myself but honestly fuck that im tryna remember shit) you guys seem to think that its bad that theyve had a couple defeatist posts, i think its normal cuz town is getting fucked over (not playing bad, getting fucked over) by its half inactive pl. honestly like a 2, i just think yall question cyan for the wrong shit. im honestly bound to change here tho spore: well spore is quite the interesting one. hes really null. you see he and snapa shitposted at first, but he got a shit ton of backlash for it. like everybody was on his case at one point or another in the game before now. bro is literally scarred and has been so fucking careful with his lines, and had the weirdest shift from shitposty to inactive. whether hes town or scum he got essentially bullied into playing lmfao. i cant tell if hes scarred (no typo) town actually trying and like trying to make up for his mistakes or scared scum trying not to get voted. like hes making actual reads and being more active now so i give him some credit there. seems to be coming around. 0.5. could change here zach: ok so he seems like snapa but he doesnt give the town vibe snapa does. like snapa is just having a bop and still is lowkey fucking around, u can tell bro is having fun while still playing. meanwhile zach is inquiring on a lot of stuff but he does it so much more... seriously? like zach is always having a serious tone, but like other people get the same info with a different tone or just doing their town thing. zach is generally doing his townie stuff but sometimes just focuses on stuff that just really isnt as important. like idk consider some more perspectives or smthn. instead of just asking questions or pressuring think what x person would do in x situation and like just be more visual. shrug on that, give em a 3. dewfew: i havent seen too much on them so this is gonna be short. they seemed to read to an extent and with a decent bit of posts being lowkey useless that probably took a while and they had to skim a bit. reads seem like they have thought, they seem a little miffed sometimes, also seem kind of unsure in some posts. again very null honestly just a 0 kliff: this is my last read fyi. so kliff has been thinking outside the box, and while it may seem odd they are pressuring and trying to get a lurker vote which is lowkey better than some other votes rn. like its a bit of a gamble but its probably a gamble worth taking, as i can see it giving a decent bit of info. dunno why theyve been on martin the entire time of all lurkers but idt it matters that much. still curious part 2. anyway they still are null as they have some questions i still want explained and they do have some weird thought processes for sum shit. null but townie-ish thing going, just a 1. like i have responded to a bunch of shit there. everybody else is a lurker or afk, so honestly fuck them for being a bitch and ruining the game like that. already said a bunch of my thoughts on sylv earlier... omfg they just so scummy i fucking cant. tldr: haha fuck u no tldr read it bitch i'm not sure what to make of angelmpr joining in this late into the game and not making any reads or pushes of substance. are they here because host threatened to sub; if so, why were they not present during the entirety of the fucking game? or are they here because someone prodded them in private? angelmpr i'm going to be clear with what i want here. your vote on zach is unsubstantiated, and your stances on every other player are a mystery to us. i trust that you've been reading enough to make such a vote, but given the fact that zach's slot is almost universally townread at this point, you have a lot of work ahead of you and you'd best have it finished. |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2022 14:43:27 GMT
Can we get a votecount? A lot has changed since I last posted. We have an entirely new perspective (thank you dewfew), the question of what to do with lurkers has been explored more, and the question of what the sky vote means has been explored more. Thank you for taking my last-ditch effort at saving the game in stride and then some. I’ll contribute to those questions later when I get outta bed. What I wanna ask is this: since d3 is coming to a close somewhat soon, do we vote out sylveon or shadow? I’m fine with voting either as I already said I’d wait for sylveon to speak before voting and what they ended up saying was hilarious, and I’ve been on shadow since d2. Also no way sylv is cop but I don’t wanna jump to the thought process of cop must be between litteleven / Martin / dewfew. If real cop ccs without anything substantial, they’re nuked by mafia at night. Even after 2 days of information, it’s still possible they don’t have much. dewfew has outright denied being the role cop, but they would be in a pretty good position to do that regardless of their role also, mind if we re-examine the shadow read? i feel like it's a common sentiment shared by half the PL and without people going the extra mile to make a case in its favour i'm tempted to want to talk again about them, regardless of how poor they've played up to this point |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2022 14:39:55 GMT
we're gonna vote sylveon here and progress the game, i have already proposed ideas on what we do next, is there any other specific planned ideas? like, personally, i do care if sylveon flips rolecop, which they most likely wouldnt, but if they do, im still going to vote shadow tomorrow, and if sylveon flips scum, do we still vote shadow tomorrow or do we vote out cyan / some other person? honestly im starting to question if cyan is the best vote tomorrow. even if cyan is scum, they're forced to play like town. if they're forced to play like town, then they're still helping town one way or another fucking bootlicker. in all seriousness, though, you haven't really done much with your read on me. it still amounts to nothing more than "cyan was taking sylv's side when he claimed role cop" which is less than other players have given |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2022 13:47:11 GMT
sir snapa your iq is beyond the levels of which I can fathom to derive the scientific conclusion that I, dewfew, am not online 24/7 Dewfew, the language you speak is incomprehensible, not because it is rubbish, but the fact that it's too complex. If you were to simplify your language into a more humanely comprehensible state, it would be much appreciated, otherwise, I may conclude that this is the language that allows us to describe everything specifically and in the best way possible. Perhaps the language you speak is the language that will allow the blind to see color, that will allow the men with no tongue to taste flavour, that will allow those who are deaf to hear music. these people cannot be a day older than 15 kliff as a slot just confuses me at this point. while i do sympathize with wanting to get the pool of inactives tossed into a pit of lava, kliff is advocating for it in a way that comes off as more calculated than any push on a lurking pool should rationally be I find kliff slot questionable too but we'll see. If kliff wants to push off lurkers I recommend him voting Shadow. But we already conversed that he'll stay on the martin vote rather than shadow, unless of course one other lurker comes online honestly i think we can determine kliff slot's alignment very easily kliff is open to be convinced. if they are convinced, and is consistent with rational thinking before being convinced, that's just towny behavior otherwise if kliff keeps pushing lurkers whilst not being convinced despite great efforts, i think they're simply scum and obviously there's a massive difference between town trying to formulate ration and scum faking formulation rationality, i've seen it in too many games tldr: kliff's reaction to being convinced is what's going to determine his alignment, he already put himself into this spot. I dont necesarilly think that kliff pushing off dead players determines his alignment, but instead what happens afterwards does. without an adequate reason as to why martin is a better vote than shadow given kliff's own stance i can't really say that kliff is "open to being convinced" the disparity between shadow's activity and martin's is minimal (one grain of rice is no more filling than none), and the fact that shadow has a readwall at the very least means their flip would objectively give us more information to work off of then again, this one post might be the one doing the convincing |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2022 10:23:16 GMT
kliff as a slot just confuses me at this point.
while i do sympathize with wanting to get the pool of inactives tossed into a pit of lava, kliff is advocating for it in a way that comes off as more calculated than any push on a lurking pool should rationally be
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2022 10:20:49 GMT
 Is this suppose to be a good thing? in a position where this game is next to lost if we don't bulldoze scum within the following days, i don't see why a townie wouldn't be panicking at least to some extentThis doesn’t make sense to me. If scum was inactive they would want to kill more active players so that progress is slowed. You still haven’t really explained why those chose to kill Sky over, say, Ohsnapa who has been very active. I went through both scenario's where Either Active/ Non-active deaths and I still come to the conclusion that I should be looking towards the inactive side of the game. Though I understand why you would think otherwise. I guess I may be a little biased here but its what I think happen, The Reason I think they killed Sky is to Throw Suspicion on the more active players and avoid any increased attention on the inactive side. This Idea only flows in my head because the inactive side continues to stay stagnant as of now. this is a very random assertion. i need an explanation as to why a sky kill would incriminate the active players or shift attention off of the inactive slots.
even then, we've spent half this day outright discussing inactive slots. if one of the more active players (besides me) flips scum, which i think is a reasonable assumption to make given the steady trend of wagons being resisted from D1 to D3, this conjecture becomes useless. |
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