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Post by cyan on Nov 24, 2023 1:58:33 GMT
at this point i might as well stop trying to look the part
hc cop. Fame is maf.
i've been sidestepping the entire pl/jk discussion because a result went through and i basically knew jk was never on me
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 17:44:49 GMT
i should probably just leave it out there that in the event that pisx's kill was blocked (which can happen in several ways) through them being targeted, we basically lose any reason to single me out mechanically
like i can appreciate being bumped up a few notches on the scumdar but it Kind of looks like the vote on me is a little more committal than that
i'll talk about the fame push again in due time. if necessary, of course.
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 17:41:37 GMT
i'll take the doc part but pisx could've been pl'ed or jailed Aren't you informed of that i'm pretty sure nightkillers aren't told if their shot doesn't go through, osvig included |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 17:40:33 GMT
Gonna move past that oversight, apologies Cyan that was an honest mistake & you're free to dm me OOG after this ends if you wish to clear it up For one, I don't really think there's a need or reason to be hypo'ing OS vig claims retrospectively, it was already outed & unless Pisx wants to comment further then lowkey it's weird to be pouncing on that as an opportunity to feign usefulness (interestingly enough 2 slots that had done virtually nothing up to this point saw an immediate opening there to post which I think is bizarre to say the least). If Cyan was the actual OS Vig target (which I'm going to assume is the case until I have reason to think otherwise) then they're either WW, a jailkeep target or they were doctored (?) Jailkeep is probably the most realistic option + considering there's a singular nightkill I think they likely have more scum equity than not here yeah Vote Cyanit's cool, i could kind of tell you didn't mean anything by it so i can't get mad in earnest i honestly am just going to echo this sentiment right here because penguind's approach has not looked any less weird after me hopping on my laptop I just can't get my head around why your instant thought would be 'Actually Pisx is trolling' idk Why even jump to retrospectively hypo OS Vig if you didn't think it was real to begin with fame + peng scumteam does not work here in the slightest It's the only likely scenario bc I don't think anyone would've docced u based on d1 tbh And uhhhh doesn't mafia pl die if we rbed I swear this is a mechanic where we just kills the pl Hi all, Today do be turkey day for me so i will probably be preoccupied / i will have bad signal for a good part of the day so ill be kinda on and off Hard agree here, imo no reason for a Doc to be on Cyan last night so i think were gonna slide that one off the table. Also yes mafia PL should die to WW if they Rb it (if thats what youre asking) From brief skimming of whats been said there is a 3rd scenario that hasnt been brought up yet (idt) that still paints Cyan as scum where: Cyan is WW, pisxel is mafia that attempted to kill the BP WW and is claiming OS Vig to explain why there was a kill attempt on Cyan so this would place EDJs death as killed by WW if this is the correct scenario, so id say dont completely trust the Vig Claim atm, and if someone else is a CC to that then Vig Pisxel tonight and dont claim today Either way iirc it was Clouds that said theres multiple scenarios that paint Cyan as scum, as i see it currently getting a red flip from Cyans slot is something more often than not Vote Cyan in retrospect this discussion point was actually really helpful in exposing prodigu as a fucking parrakeet because these lines are really just a one-to-one echoing of OM we can work off of the multiple scenarios angle but unless you can show that one of them is more likely you're only really setting up a post-flip solve, which isn't a push |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 17:29:23 GMT
there are two docs, a maf pl, and a ww is rb kills can fail for a myriad of reasons and acting like "cyan got jk'd" is the only likely scenario is just not it It's the only likely scenario bc I don't think anyone would've docced u based on d1 tbh And uhhhh doesn't mafia pl die if we rbed I swear this is a mechanic where we just kills the pl i'll take the doc part but pisx could've been pl'ed or jailed |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 11:47:27 GMT
i'm basically forced to engage with this game from my phone 24/7 so if you want proper participation from me i'll hold it until the weekend comes
i'm getting problem pings from peng because shedding doubt on the n1 vig claim suggests one of two possibilities:
- they're the real vig and trying to keep it under wraps
- they're playing contrarian and town generally does not approach rolesolving like that
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 11:34:50 GMT
1 nightkill even if cyan was jk'd and that's how they survived the vigilante shot, decent odds they're mafia that submitted a nightkill or werewolf them choosing to brush this discussion off entirely and live in their own astral plane is further reinforcing the likelihood they aren't town !_! there are two docs, a maf pl, and a ww is rb kills can fail for a myriad of reasons and acting like "cyan got jk'd" is the only likely scenario is just not it |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 4:52:19 GMT
i should've been a bit clearer when i used the word "apparent" because i didn't look as far back as page 20 and that was my fault but also i wasn't working off of fame's posts directly on another (OOG) note i feel like i'm being slighted with the entire trans overlay thing they're pulling and i Do Not Like It Gonna respond to this before I respond w/ my grievances with the game, not sure what you meant here by 'trans' (I assume transparent idk) but I'm mostly just meme'ing although I apologise if it came across super badly, didn't mean to offend you might want to look at the colour filter on the spongebob thing but without spongebob in it |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 4:51:39 GMT
camryn, sc23 and fingerlings are low-hanging fruit and i am perfectly willing to pile on them should the need arise. just generally something rubs me wrong with how fame was apparently pushing kliff hard enough for other people to follow while they themselves were openly hesitant Bro calls me low hanging fruit and won’t engage with any strat talks ultimately your post amounts to "well fame convinced me but looking back i should've known better when salt and fingerlings were piling on" which is a fair sentiment but it doesn't amount to much in your defense and i'm still in the dark with how you want to approach what happened EoD1 |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 4:42:31 GMT
can i get away with starting to read from d2 onwards btw i've basically not read the game at all but d2 has largely been banter and hypos so read back a bit more probably? |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 4:41:57 GMT
i should've been a bit clearer when i used the word "apparent" because i didn't look as far back as page 20 and that was my fault but also i wasn't working off of fame's posts directly
on another (OOG) note i feel like i'm being slighted with the entire trans overlay thing they're pulling and i Do Not Like It
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 4:39:46 GMT
Apologies if you've done this before but could you summarize your/the general reasons for thinking Kliff is scum? Because right now I'm leaning pretty neutral on him and the points made didn't super compel me on their own to think he's scum I think generally speaking his slot was trying to do things early on that looked forced + uncomfortable (pouncing on cold votes where people had just voted and left, making reads that were incongruent with the thread like the Dactyl read) I've played with town Kliff before and he's usually way more thorough than this and also attentive to things so him having trouble grasping an idea of what's going on in the thread seems uncharacteristic @om does it kind of irk you how quickly camryn jumped on this argument given how small it is |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 4:29:46 GMT
i wonder what alignment fame flipped the last time they were saddened by nks... you're free to look for their last game |
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 4:28:12 GMT
also me procrastinating is well within my rights and privileges
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 4:27:32 GMT
camryn, sc23 and fingerlings are low-hanging fruit and i am perfectly willing to pile on them should the need arise.
just generally something rubs me wrong with how fame was apparently pushing kliff hard enough for other people to follow while they themselves were openly hesitant
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 2:15:02 GMT
i'm frankly particularly unbothered to think about anything that happened at eod and will look at it all later
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Post by cyan on Nov 23, 2023 2:12:04 GMT
Vote Fame textbook mafia: if someone mourns the nk, consider them scummier than average
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Post by cyan on Nov 21, 2023 23:45:46 GMT
my thoughts are split between "hey did sc just pop up last minute when their ass is on the grill after showing zero signs of activity for the entire day" and "why is sc just marginally a topic of discussion despite being the leading wagon"
i'll read up on everything else after breakfast
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Post by cyan on Nov 21, 2023 13:01:58 GMT
Hello everyone apologies for joining in late. So far, clouds’s reads pmuch match mine except iavh is strong townlean and kliff is light scumlean. Also I see clouds as a strong townlean in this scenario, will need to analyse more tho. huh. i wonder how you reached that conclusion |
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Post by cyan on Nov 21, 2023 5:25:19 GMT
But all of dact’s posts have been genuinely insightful! i think the tone that fingerlings has been using in posts regarding both me and dact reek of pocketing attempts and i don't know them well enough to make a judgment on whether or not they're aware of the impressions they give in maf unvote pisx; vote fingerlings |
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Post by cyan on Nov 21, 2023 5:18:02 GMT
Why do you think this? There's no way you can get away with flippantly placing votes like this as if it actually applies any sort of pressure nothing wrong with me dropping a vote.. actually i _really_ don't like how peng replied here vote pisxthinking purely off of the dactyl read kind of being a little half-baked in what sense? do you feel it's overzealous? or what part of it struck you as incomplete? paraphrasing pisx's argument: "dactyl's playstyle seems too wishywashy, like they're leaving room to backtrack when the read doesn't go through" i don't think having a committed read mid-d1 is an expectation worth FOSing someone for failing. i'm really not sold on the logic here in isolation, although i do think dact's "actually you have a point here" lines up with how i'd play as scum (i don't have a good grasp of pmeta and i will use myself as a standard) it kind of just feels like an awkward single-out for a reason for which it would probably have made more sense to wait and see by d2. that and the five townleans is a bit of a thing This seems forced, like if you're going to do this then why not just do it without announcing? I agree he's a slot that is u sually better to chop early (see: Knights Errant game or the recent Tropicana OC) but announcing this just defeats the purpose and gives him room to be nonchalant about his engagement with the thread Had a whole paragraph on this but didn’t like my wording so just gonna say that I feel like you’re reaching into something that’s not there Eh no this gives far too much credit I think to the people voting those slots. PenguinD dropping a singular vote on IAVH with no other posts + IAVH voting SC means nothing really. To Cyan's credit I'll say that I at least appreciate the thought process there behind pushing the IAVH slot but it just feels incredibly safe and doesn't actually progress the game anywhere when there's a lot of content to be read into outside of IAVH's singular post How is cyan’s message not progressing the game by trying to generate reads/reactions and deduce alignment? There’s not that much content out there imo—you said that penguind’s and iavh’s vote mean mostly nothing, which is correct, but trying to criticize legit points of discussion when there hasn’t been many/any real votes this game imo is kinda suspect. Although the safe part i agree with i think it's Very weird that fingerlings is trying to gas me up as town with posts that sound as substantial as a ChatGPT essay that entire post essentially boils down to me saying that clem's play attitude was policyable in and of itself and implying that i don't really think there's worth in pursuing it |
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Post by cyan on Nov 21, 2023 2:01:55 GMT
i'm awake again and entirely unbothered to properly dissect through seven pages' worth of proper arguments so i'll just say that prodigu pinged me for reasons that other players have already stated, just not to the extent that they're fake
it's really more like they're trying to offend people as little as possible
i will ignore the fame/clouds angle of this game until later because it's a lot of stuff to go through but i do think that it's worth ruling out the slim possibility of them being aligned together. if one flips everyone should locktown the other
in lieu of a proper case i will just
vote pisx
thinking purely off of the dactyl read kind of being a little half-baked
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Post by cyan on Nov 20, 2023 14:41:47 GMT
and is your point that i should've just pushed iavh and not brought it up as a passing conversation topic, or that i should be under scrutiny for considering it in the first place
or is my sin here just not being serious
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Post by cyan on Nov 20, 2023 14:28:26 GMT
Unvote Crespo
Vote CyanTalon  using an against me like this is filthy actually |
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Post by cyan on Nov 20, 2023 14:27:42 GMT
i have all the incentive to manufacture a push on iavh because frankly i haven't been around long enough to know if they've learned from our previous games and i am doubtful that they have This seems forced, like if you're going to do this then why not just do it without announcing? I agree he's a slot that is u sually better to chop early (see: Knights Errant game or the recent Tropicana OC) but announcing this just defeats the purpose and gives him room to be nonchalant about his engagement with the thread when a dude says out loud "man i really could use a burger right now" do you normally snark in with a "just fucking get a burger then" i don't think i need to explain a clem push. i can instead explain why dedicating mysef to a clem push at this stage would be a poor idea, but i won't |
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