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Post by Edjeanerations on Oct 1, 2023 3:20:31 GMT
Hi sorry I don't usually go online on weekends
No Vote
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 30, 2023 4:47:48 GMT
hey guys im sorry for not being around, had a pretty busy week and feeling like shit at the moment not too sure what the voting situation is rn and seems a bit too late to sway anyone over if im on the way out (which i would understand) but if not I should be able to pick up the activity again and actually help solve starting tomorrow Hey wob I'm sorry you're not feeling the best. Get better my friend, we can revisit this stuff later. Feel free to give thoughts whenever you have the chance to read up but don't rush it until you're ready to. No Vote |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 30, 2023 3:55:08 GMT
hmm if wob is town, which is where i lean, at least 1 of prodigu & edj probably had a tmi'd townread on him yeah? edj defended him so quickly and prodigu has been elaborate in explaining how wob was explicitly townie early on... i just don't see it like i think wob was a slight townlean at best, but how do you extract a strong townread? ok so let's take this further: prodigu stance on edj is unknown... edj had a post on prodigu where he called them a "wonderful player" for analyzing people but then placed fos on him for being too passive not really thinking that interaction between him and prodigu is partnered due to the way edj specifically chose to add the first bit in to provide a "he's great, but..." instead of just direct shade, which i'd view as more partnering *specifically* from edj knowing how he likes to talk to teammates now. the way he talked to schia encapsulates this perfectly, it's very like... direct in a way that would cause a bad gut reaction from a town reading it if it was addressed to them, but you know you can be a little standoffish with a partner and not risk that part of it. there's a post i quoted above for reference, it reminds me exactly of how he'd talk to me he did have a post earlier that i slight gutread as partner-y with prodigu, but then the latest one doesn't really seem as much like it as for others aside from prodigu/edj, schia's done nothing for me and i continue to scumlean them, winsy feels like a wolf and would have to be openwolfing at this point choosing to vote each trial so that it's antispew for when he flips, myan got flighty when things went south for them and keep making empty promises about backing up feelings with logic, kliff's town, abby's town, wob's town, pengy's town, ihbst i might be reading a little hastily and it's possible i need to hit the brakes here, clem has been underwhelming as of late what if the reason edj accidentally said he townleans myan instead of spiderz was because he had asked myan in scumchat to be put up first & that's why myan was on his mind when responding to spiderz in that context...So let's start with the italicized part. I've already said that most of these people are VERY VERY finicky which is why I have felt wishy-washy on so many people. Prodigu is not the only person I have said this about so it still amazes me that you're ignoring everything else I've said about others and instead focusing on this just to make yourself sound correct. Re:bold: Bro why are you still pushing this kind of stuff. Like I don't even know how to respond to it. It feels more like bait than anything so I feel like I shouldn't humor it but seriously? You're saying me saying smth about Myan early d1, going to bed, waking up and realizing several hours later that I didn't remember why I said it is all due to me talking in scumchat during the pregame? It really just feels like you're trying to grasp for straws at this point and it's getting kinda upsetting because idk if you're just getting desperate or if you actually believe it, but either way it's quite badly |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 30, 2023 3:44:11 GMT
I currently have no reason to think abby is scum yeah but do you townread him! Yes, yes I do. That's what I meant to say, and in fact even though I haven't outright said it abby has been my biggest tr for a while. He's really just given us any reasons to think that he's scum. I can't say he would necessarily have a partner unless :OOOO it was me???? but fr he's my biggest tr |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 30, 2023 3:34:21 GMT
First of all can you cut it out with the use of words I don't know. Speak english. This post here does make me see peng + schia as less of a pair, but it doesn't completely knock the thought out of the water because of the fact that it's SO nice for you to finally give your opinions on how Penguin acted d1 and d2 several days after his trial. Which we now cannot do anything about. So for r2 I expect you to instavote Penguin. You're gonna do that, right? the way you talk to schia reminds me of how we distanced as scum, grr You're not a wolf. Stop growling. |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 30, 2023 3:33:10 GMT
you're right, it can't off of how d1 went but... what do you make of abby's read? do you think it's townie from him? scummy? I currently have no reason to think abby is scum |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 30, 2023 3:29:11 GMT
Yeah so it's been a while and I haven't seen anything from wob yet so I'm gonna Vote Wobunless he could prove me wrong jokes aside, i do think there's something to be said for taking bedfellows into account here--esp. with the understanding that the current play conditions make it extremely easy to just send a lowposter over with minimal effort, there's for sure more to scrutinize here than just "dang, he fell off, may as well /vote", as opposed to like, an actual-factual, measured policy vote on a slot whose survival into round 2 is perilous to village wincon. the whole 'Dead air, dead villager' thing really only works *because* the inertia of the execution becomes alignment-suggestive for both the player being wagoned & the players pushing that wagon, and when one of the players pushing said wagon is responsible for This thread entrance How are we doing folks What did I miss Everyone’s gone and I’m all alone again… i do think it's worth taking a moment to press pause Shit I really wasn't gonna come back online but I realized the time and saw it wasn't midnight yet... So far I'm scrolling and haven't seen anything from wob so even though you have a fair point I need to see a reason not to vote him FROM HIM. I understand there are other people that can go down instead of wob but lemme keep reading before dl |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 30, 2023 0:09:19 GMT
Yeah so it's been a while and I haven't seen anything from wob yet so I'm gonna
Vote Wob
unless he could prove me wrong
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 19:58:39 GMT
Ugh see I'm leaning towards voting wob just for the flip but I also don't want to vote for someone just because we've let everyone slide so far
He hasn't said a lot this game and I'm starting to believe he may not even show up for his own trial which is getting aggravating. Not even sure if his flip would reveal much about partners or not, but maybe it cant hurt to try
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 15:07:02 GMT
Also I'll refrain from doing stuff today until we get more people talking, especially wob.
Also hi Abby
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:48:04 GMT
tbf my point of reference for ihbst scum game is when he immediately scumslipped in the OC I don't think we should ever talk about that game. Ever again |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:46:41 GMT
the fact that there has been pretty much no effort put into any wagon thus far is concerning That's rich coming from you my friend, the (sla)king of low effort |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:45:47 GMT
how would this order of trails make sense? from mafia's POV What do you mean by this What part of the order? The entire thing? Schia > wob? Me first? Peng > Derz? Like what |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:44:14 GMT
few minutes to go so just gonna No Voteslap down my NV and leave some scraps before bed -if it's not dazzlingly clear by now abby's probably my most confident TR - a lot of that's relational, but it's mostly off gamesense/shared guts. also just like, the understanidng that W!Abby would be taking a much more charismatic if not aggressive hold over the direction of gametalk here -still feel really good about v!edj and anyone trying to sell you on the contrary is a CIA psyop. decently good on clouds, but also like if he's wolf i honestly just do not care to deal with it. game's fucked. -i think we could all stand to Demand More from Myan - the discrimination posts were tongue-in-cheek but i think you'll find i tend to mean what i say even when i'm joking. -policy sand. this should never make round 2 and anyone trying to argue otherwise has never played trials. gn gl wait this is so funny im not even gonna read the rest of the post I just think the NV at 11:59 is sooo funny Like what was he waiting for |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:41:05 GMT
if abby's mafia he's looking at this and laughing wdym |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:38:51 GMT
nah see i think you made a call earlier with no basis in the actual thread, got spooked when abdel asked you about it, like he'd caught you in a lie, and have just spent the time since then doubling down on it/heeldigging to save face as opposed to like actually solving
-you have a steeply building NV wagon on a D1 trial, who by any metric should've been absent but instead establishes himself with Villagery CandorTM and general thread favor -late joiner to the wagon ducks out, cites paranoia over wagonspeed--which would maybe be fine if not for a side comment pointing toward... thread harmony?? as the point of contention, as opposed to any probing into the actual wagoners [x]-peng riding off the momentum of this heelturn, citing pregame motivation for the D1 vote (more or less washing hands of the alignment consequences of the vote), while at once propping up the vote on the existence of the wagoneers' reasoning without actually examining it any meaningful sense, netting in their whole exchange with abdel
which for me parses pretty blatantly as wolf talks out of their ass, gets called on it, and then immediately goes on defensive, despite the lack of any clear or undeniable offense. like, abby asked a question about my reasoning, and penguin's response immediately adopts a stance that treats his (very tame) questioning as a gotcha, as if to say "What reasoning, there was none?" with Penguin being caught in the lie...
...which is what makes the subsequent foot-dragging from Penguin over the next page or so *that* much more ridiculous when I kept asking him to go back and point out the reasoning, just for him to default to omgusing (until i spell it out for him on the next page, and you can see the attitude shift 180 into more-or-less asskissing)
I'd've liked more time to actually get into it on his trial day, but I--regrettably!--passed out while working on BIP reports, so instead ig you can just hang onto this until R2 trials swing around, at which point I'll rail against heaven and earth to send it over
First of all can you cut it out with the use of words I don't know. Speak english. This post here does make me see peng + schia as less of a pair, but it doesn't completely knock the thought out of the water because of the fact that it's SO nice for you to finally give your opinions on how Penguin acted d1 and d2 several days after his trial. Which we now cannot do anything about. So for r2 I expect you to instavote Penguin. You're gonna do that, right? |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:33:22 GMT
hm ok, i should do a better job explaining the peng townread. it's not based on preflipping, it's just that there are players that are individually scummy to me that also make sense as mafia in a t!peng world so it provides a buff to the view with peng it's a mix of his paranoia about me not feel faked, his reads feeling reactionary as opposed to generated (there's also an ease to which he's able to thrown down reads that's particularly hard to imitate as mafia i think), and him looking like he's in his head & reevaluating things consistently in a believable way to me high disagree about the reads feeling reactionary part. he himself admitted that his read on edj is pretty much generated due to his trial position and that he's been trying to convince himself that's right about it ye |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:32:56 GMT
which i suppose dovetails w/ the issue of everything peng posted in the backend of the phase. because honestly i have a lot of trouble seeing how you read that as pure/town, aside from preflipping which like... i mean sure, that's A Way To Play The Game, but otherwise let's call a spade a spade hm ok, i should do a better job explaining the peng townread. it's not based on preflipping, it's just that there are players that are individually scummy to me that also make sense as mafia in a t!peng world so it provides a buff to the view with peng it's a mix of his paranoia about me not feel faked, his reads feeling reactionary as opposed to generated (there's also an ease to which he's able to thrown down reads that's particularly hard to imitate as mafia i think), and him looking like he's in his head & reevaluating things consistently in a believable way to me I find this part hard to believe, especially when you look at how he treated my slot, for example. Insta vote because of something he said during day 0 is definitely not reactionary, plus not to mention since you were so blatantly tring him from the get-go of course it's easy to say "ooh well I'm not sure you should be townreading me" just for credit. Initially you didn't give too much of a reason for your peng tr so that made it easy for him to give off that kind of cautious demeanor. His reads are different because I didn't have too much to say when he posted them d1 but then again it was just a lot of nulls with his sr on me which was kind of unwarranted at the time. He gets the benefit of the doubt for those reads but his overall playstyle isn't "too" townie |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 14:27:07 GMT
could peng + edj be a thing? right now it feels like peng did the push first trial bit (which i still don't buy for a second) because he knew people would never flip edj anyway so they could get away with distancing, esp enforced by the fact that peng just won't commit to a full push on edj, just dropping sproadic hints about him being scum i still don't think any of edj's posts have been particularly scummy, maybe grew a bit too defensive for my liking the past couple of days, but just a thought worth pondering imo no it cant |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 13:40:43 GMT
can you talk about the clouds read a bit The Myan + Clouds team looking pretty valid to me. At the moment its more that I believe that clouds is myan partner. you have yet to point out specifics pls!!! also me + clouds is crazy why is it suggested in EVERY SINGLE FORUM GAME This if the first time I am suggesting it. But here a POST , Getting a scum reading from this post. Like it suppose to be some type of townie frustration. Your whole progression just doesn't feel right. Wait I must be missing something crucial here. I think I saw you say something about a Myan + Clouds interaction (or maybe it was just Myan commenting on it) but why do you see them together? Or moreso why do you see Clouds as scummy so far? The only thing I could see for right now is pocketing but that's not enough here |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 13:37:28 GMT
Today (guessing, haven't read that far yet) |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 13:36:49 GMT
deathbywobbuffet schiavetto clouds prodigu abdel kliff ihbst winsytinsy penguind edjeanerations clemensthelemon myanmario
No Vote: clouds, kliff, penguind, abdel
kliff: winsytinsy
kliff has survived!
Day 4 has officially begun!
Next on trial is......schiavetto!
You all have 24 hours to decide, or until a hammer is reached. Hammer count is 7.
Oh boy, Schiavetto is up. But to reiterate Cloud's point earlier, what happened to the votes? Was the mafia just trying to "let town kill off Spiderz's slot"? Yesterday did seemed a bit more inactive than the first two days. Judging by the votes, by the time I was subbed in, Winsy was the only person who had voted, and they had voted on my slot (Spiderz). I think it's a little weird considering there are 12 people and only one person had voted with about 3 hours left. I'm wondering why people didn't cast their decision on the Spiderz trail? Does this just comes down to inactivity? I think might be something worth looking into later. I'm going to sleep Well if I'm being honest I forgot to nv derz. I didn't want it to be an insta-nv but I was pretty sure that I was going to do it, then I kinda got busy and stopped talking so I wasn't able to do anything. But let the record show I WAS going to nv derz. As for Schia? I didn't say anything when Clouds made his reads-scale thing because it's kinda tough for me to get information on the lackluster playstyle Schia has been exhibiting this time around. Very general reads, and also he's not pushing me which is BIZARRE because he and Spiderz love pushing me kekeke (im jk spiderz if you see this, ik you only do that if you're scum). I would've been more inclined to vote him but I don't really know what the rest of the game thinks of his slot save for Clouds? It just kinda sucks because I don't think a Schia flip would reveal that much about partners even if he did flip scum? Also this does go for a few other players as well. Myan, Winsy, clem. Sand is actually kind of in his own league, but I can't believe that these four are the scum because there's just no driving force behind it. I think there's gotta be like 1 scum in Spiderz/Penguin/Clouds but I also don't think it's likely to be Clouds. Partners could still be like, Schia and Myan and idk someone else due to a lack of interactions with each other, though this could be due to them not really having a chance to interact because they're not active enough/haven't had a trial. Though I guess this is different in Schia's case. Maybe I'm going in circles here but like, I'm so foggy on so many people her that I'm kinda stuck on a line between thinking people are scummy or maybe just need a chance to prove they're town, but the issue is that this applies to a decent handful of the PL. |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 13:26:51 GMT
why does nobody seem to have many thoughts on prodigu by the way i feel like there's a lot to dissect from his posts Honestly I think that's the thing that might be urking me the most. I think prodigu is being a wonderful player in general because they're really analyzing a lot of other players and I appreciate that, but at the same time I think they're being way too passive about things which is actually fairly scummy to me. I mean it has been two days so I don't remember but has prod given any reads on people yet |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 12:33:51 GMT
[peng kliff ihbst abby] is a pretty solid group of players i want to at least make sure pass trial 1. think ihbst reveals himself if he's mafia before trial 2, and right now i'm not feeling like he's mafia abby i want surviving trial 1 because if he's town, he'll be strong town & also just doesn't make sense to ko him unless something drastic happens that's telling for his alignment myan fell off a touch but is still hovering in the townlean zone. doubt i'd vote wob trial 1 either, depends So does this mean you'd like to vote everyone else not on this list? |
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Post by Edjeanerations on Sept 29, 2023 12:32:50 GMT
also you know what's funny is like edj was like "scum always puts a mafia in the second or third trial" and the second & third trial are my top two townreads right now... I wonder how that is working since I think they tl both peng and spiderz? In reality this is before I knew that spiderz was gonna be the third slot, but then again it's not like me to change my morals :) I still haven't seen spiderz's/your outcome and I forgot to vote bc I was kinda distracted last time, but for the time being I think your slot is actually fine |
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