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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 18, 2021 1:04:57 GMT
While dubz + genny doesn't look like a t/t combo, it doesn't really look like s/t either now that I am looking more closely. It sounds a bit wifom-y, but scum!dubz would've wanted to pocket genny and keep them around. Not sure how I feel about Lucas' lynch.
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Post by quojova on Feb 18, 2021 1:05:40 GMT
I'm basically vanilla so no huge mechanical loss, but village just the same. Anybody know the current tally? I'll be voting derz under the assumption that I'm not a total idiot and maybe had one good read, but don't want to get too close to maj with several hours still. Also unsure why the az suspicion seems to have died down, part of me wants to vote there in honor of AM, but I just don't actually have a good read since I wasn't keeping up with the future thread. lucas - 1 (derz) spiderz - 1 (az) dubz - 2 (me, lucas) hammer is 5 so if you vote derz scum could qh but they could already do that with you so that's maybe not a huge concern |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 18, 2021 1:07:58 GMT
Derz + Lucas is possible, as Derz who knows he may likely be lynched might go for a desperation bus.
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Post by dubz on Feb 18, 2021 1:09:09 GMT
As far as I could tell this was dubz's only line defending spiderz: "I guess for me derz hasn't done anything that makes me go "Why the heck would town do that", like I can figure some town motivations for things, whereas in litt's case I can't or it would be really mind-bendy to do so. " it seems to me like dubz did a whole lot more chainsawing onto Litt than attempting to defend derzThe meat of my conversation with dubz d5 was actually about bgb's claim, which I think is reasonable for someone of either alignment to be able to convincingly disagree with because my argument for bgb being town was possibly a bit too abstract Especially this makes me a bit weary. dubz previously said Derz was a possible scum as well. It seems like a scum thing to do to be afraid of being associated with each other, thus ignoring each other more and focusing on attacking the other person. I dunno I had a whole post talking about how I didn't like part of derz's analysis back...on some day. Maybe d2? And then derz kinda disappeared for a while, and yeah, i was unfortunately distracted by my litt and bgb reads. I know I haven't been super active/helpful here but I don't get associating me with derz at all. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 18, 2021 1:15:28 GMT
Especially this makes me a bit weary. dubz previously said Derz was a possible scum as well. It seems like a scum thing to do to be afraid of being associated with each other, thus ignoring each other more and focusing on attacking the other person. I dunno I had a whole post talking about how I didn't like part of derz's analysis back...on some day. Maybe d2? And then derz kinda disappeared for a while, and yeah, i was unfortunately distracted by my litt and bgb reads. I know I haven't been super active/helpful here but I don't get associating me with derz at all. that post was in response to this post from az: "About dubz, I was a bit iffy about adding them to my scumpool because I genuinely enjoyed their d5. Her posts felt genuine and had seemed to have actual content in them. I could probably go in a more in-depth analysis, but just their convo with quo on day 5 felt like it was coming from a town!dubz that wanted to give Spiderz the benefit of the doubt. They 100% believed in what they said, and I just didn't see that as scum!dubz." so I wasn't writing that to associate you with derz necessarily (at least not strongly anyway), but that drawing the conclusion that you were dissociated with derz from d5 didn't make much sense I think your d2 post on derz is very weak evidence against a s/s pairing |
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Post by quojova on Feb 18, 2021 1:17:05 GMT
Derz + Lucas is possible, as Derz who knows he may likely be lynched might go for a desperation bus. is it likely? what is your most likely 3p scumteam and why does it not include dubz? |
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Post by quojova on Feb 18, 2021 1:25:27 GMT
we do need wagon formation pretty quickly if we want to actually enforce plur
if anyone is interested in a wagon that is not derz/dubz I would recommend them to speak quickly
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:39:58 GMT
I think snaq is scum Vote Lucaskinda a gutread, but the activity fade is throwing me so off, it's like they were commenting on whats going on for most of the game and their true analysis seemed pretty sub par, I wouldn't have an issue with it if there behavior kept up, but it isn't? This is super ?? they are letting Quo town-lead into oblivion, not that I have an issue with your reads Quo bar mine, I don't necessarily disagree with you reads but I also haven't really analyzed your posts, Snaq where has all the townie mindset gone? And wrt roles @flooood I think you are nitpicking, I just re read my role and I noticed that, I don't see how that's scum indicative, all this obsession over my role, I literally cannot control how it was written, if I were to lie about my role why in gods name would it be about knowing how many non-town members there were, even if I was scum, it's not substantial for me to claim that at N3 in the case there was 3rd party and I wasn't account for my partners??? Like i'm just confused on how you think that part of the claim comes from scum. The way your role was written did not change in the time it took for you to claim you recieved info D3 and re-claim it as needing to meet secret conditions. 3rd party already flipped and from their flip it was relatively obvious that there were 3 mafia. You never clarified what you meant when you said you were afraid to die. Why would either of these claims directly result in your death? Also regarding that post, how is OM's "spew" relevant when from his flip we know that he was townhunting without concrete knowledge of scum? Also, target list? Why did you trap litteleven when the established plan was to have him swap into the other thread? You are selectively SRing me for this BS when Litt did the same but you all TRed him, I gave you my target list like 20 times, and again, Litt was SCUMMY, Idk why you all TRed him in the first place, also how would you know OM was third party?  |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 18, 2021 1:40:16 GMT
Derz + Lucas is possible, as Derz who knows he may likely be lynched might go for a desperation bus. is it likely? what is your most likely 3p scumteam and why does it not include dubz? That is the problem. Who is the third slot in chaos + derz? Poe leaves too many possible slots open, which imo means these two are more likely. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 18, 2021 1:42:14 GMT
The way your role was written did not change in the time it took for you to claim you recieved info D3 and re-claim it as needing to meet secret conditions. 3rd party already flipped and from their flip it was relatively obvious that there were 3 mafia. You never clarified what you meant when you said you were afraid to die. Why would either of these claims directly result in your death? Also regarding that post, how is OM's "spew" relevant when from his flip we know that he was townhunting without concrete knowledge of scum? Also, target list? Why did you trap litteleven when the established plan was to have him swap into the other thread? You are selectively SRing me for this BS when Litt did the same but you all TRed him, I gave you my target list like 20 times, and again, Litt was SCUMMY, Idk why you all TRed him in the first place, also how would you know OM was third party???? litt did not do the same thing. Litt was TOWNIE. I read OM's role. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 18, 2021 1:42:28 GMT
is it likely? what is your most likely 3p scumteam and why does it not include dubz? That is the problem. Who is the third slot in chaos + derz? Poe leaves too many possible slots open, which imo means these two are more likely. Are you arguing that because you can't narrow down the third scum in a chaos/derz scumteam you would rather flip a scumteam that you think is less likely simply because you are more likely to get the third scum? |
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:43:35 GMT
I think snaq is scum Vote Lucaskinda a gutread, but the activity fade is throwing me so off, it's like they were commenting on whats going on for most of the game and their true analysis seemed pretty sub par, I wouldn't have an issue with it if there behavior kept up, but it isn't? This is super ?? they are letting Quo town-lead into oblivion, not that I have an issue with your reads Quo bar mine, I don't necessarily disagree with you reads but I also haven't really analyzed your posts, Snaq where has all the townie mindset gone? And wrt roles @flooood I think you are nitpicking, I just re read my role and I noticed that, I don't see how that's scum indicative, all this obsession over my role, I literally cannot control how it was written, if I were to lie about my role why in gods name would it be about knowing how many non-town members there were, even if I was scum, it's not substantial for me to claim that at N3 in the case there was 3rd party and I wasn't account for my partners??? Like i'm just confused on how you think that part of the claim comes from scum. This is the sort of plays that really come off as scummy to me Consider this WIFOM but oftentimes when scum doesn't have a proper CW they attempt to SR a global TR to appear as if they are trying to gamesolve and explore the possibility of the top TR being scum. It's a final gambit from scum and oftentimes works. People who generally try to pressure and vote a third wagon / a person who hasn't received pressure yet are generally townread, because scum usually have no need to do so and doing so only allows town to make a better verdict on a certain player. However, the issues here are; a] Spiderz is the most likely wagon here, and he's desperate to create a counterwagon, b] Lucas is a slot that has in-general had WAY more contributions to town in comparison to some others (however since we have yet to see a single scum!lynch, this is hard to give credit for) c] Spiderz's reason for the SR on Lucas, a lynch in PMylo no less, is that Lucas has been comparitively less active. I shouldn't have to explain why this is wrong on multiple levels, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Activity is highly NAI, there are too many non-game factors that contribute to this.Thus this push comes off as Spiderz attempting to look town by putting up the pretense of scumhunting and somehow deriving that Lucas is scum. I think Lucas already went over this slightly, altho i was expecting more of a reaction. i mean, i seriously don't get this spiderz on lucas lynch. You ignore the main point about a lot of his contributions just being a restatement of what has happened over actual analysis paired with activity fade in pmylo which is an actual thing scum do when there is a universal scumread that is actually town |
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:45:27 GMT
That's a reach, and it's also a reach to say that's scum indicative. Why's that? The first post of the day, in lieu of any mechanical explanation or answers or reads, it is a "hey guys! three scum, as i said!". I can still see a forceful "im town"-ish message coming from that post. How exactly is it a reach? It's NAI, explain how thats indicative of my alignment in any way, why does it not come from town too?? |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 18, 2021 1:46:15 GMT
That is the problem. Who is the third slot in chaos + derz? Poe leaves too many possible slots open, which imo means these two are more likely. Are you arguing that because you can't narrow down the third scum in a chaos/derz scumteam you would rather flip a scumteam that you think is less likely simply because you are more likely to get the third scum? no. The priority is to flip scummiest |
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Post by quojova on Feb 18, 2021 1:46:51 GMT
it would be funny if the scumteam was az/scorr/derz with the plan to bus him as much as possible to clear him
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Post by quojova on Feb 18, 2021 1:47:39 GMT
Are you arguing that because you can't narrow down the third scum in a chaos/derz scumteam you would rather flip a scumteam that you think is less likely simply because you are more likely to get the third scum? no. The priority is to flip scummiest nvm I misread, I thought "these two" meant derz + lucas |
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:48:21 GMT
You are selectively SRing me for this BS when Litt did the same but you all TRed him, I gave you my target list like 20 times, and again, Litt was SCUMMY, Idk why you all TRed him in the first place, also how would you know OM was third party? litt did not do the same thing. Litt was TOWNIE. I read OM's role. Litt did do the same thing, read day 2 of past |
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:51:23 GMT
Future:
Lucas ◢ ◤
AlmostZero
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quojova
Past:
maple
chaostrodon
dubz
spiderz
This could be helpful for making your scum teams, I think chaos and Quo are my strongest town reads rn
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Post by quojova on Feb 18, 2021 1:52:04 GMT
litt did not do the same thing. Litt was TOWNIE. I read OM's role. Litt did do the same thing, read day 2 of past why did you switch the story of your role what did you mean by "didn't want to die" |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 18, 2021 1:53:32 GMT
litt did not do the same thing. Litt was TOWNIE. I read OM's role. Litt did do the same thing, read day 2 of past We're not going to get anywhere with this, but they did not fake claim because they were afraid to die |
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:54:14 GMT
I actually now do not want to lynch in future since OM flipped, I think theres probably 2 in each group? , I think maple might actually be a better lynch, and the Lucas read just might be me being bad, I have not seen any info on Maple, or contribution atp, did they get mechanically cleared or something, I have not been paying attention to mechanics talk
Unlynch Lucas
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:54:35 GMT
WHEN DID I FAKE CLAIM
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:55:24 GMT
Litt did do the same thing, read day 2 of past why did you switch the story of your role what did you mean by "didn't want to die" WHEN DID I SWITCH THE STORY IT JUST SAID SECRET CONDITIONS ARE MET IN THE BOTTOM OF THE TEXT AND I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT WHEN I FIRST READ MY ROLE, I STILL HAVE THE TRAPPING THING WHAT??? |
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Post by spiderz on Feb 18, 2021 1:55:58 GMT
What the actual fuck are you guys on about with the obsession of my role, ive said the same thing the whole time dude
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 18, 2021 1:56:12 GMT
d3 info vs meeting secret conditions |
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